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samo II Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 So, apologies for asking something that is likely covered somewhere in this thread, but if this whole thing goes against the blue few on Monday; what is the likely impact on them as a club? I figured it might be good to get some kind of approximated summary here now that everything is reaching a head. Guessing it's probably not a apocalyptic as suggested (and perhaps hoped) by some, but equally I'm aware that they seem to have placed a significant number of their eggs into this basket, so am interested in how that plays once the judgement is handed down. Sorry if it has been covered; just a lot of (very interesting, don't get me wrong) legal information here, so wondered about the impact beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 So, apologies for asking something that is likely covered somewhere in this thread, but if this whole thing goes against the blue few on Monday; what is the likely impact on them as a club? I figured it might be good to get some kind of approximated summary here now that everything is reaching a head. Guessing it's probably not a apocalyptic as suggested (and perhaps hoped) by some, but equally I'm aware that they seem to have placed a significant number of their eggs into this basket, so am interested in how that plays once the judgement is handed down. Sorry if it has been covered; just a lot of (very interesting, don't get me wrong) legal information here, so wondered about the impact beyond that. Fingers crossed they go bust, then bang goes their only 'jibe' BCFC82LTD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Fingers crossed they go bust, then bang goes their only 'jibe' BCFC82LTD True, but that jibe has been easily countered by the presentation of the fact that we have won more since 1982 than they have since 1883. A 100 year head start and yet they are still firmly in our shadow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 True, but that jibe has been easily countered by the presentation of the fact that we have won more since 1982 than they have since 1883. A 100 year head start and yet they are still firmly in our shadow That's exactly what I tell them but Gashead being a Gashead still can't grasp that, just be nice to put it to bed once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) So, apologies for asking something that is likely covered somewhere in this thread, but if this whole thing goes against the blue few on Monday; what is the likely impact on them as a club? I figured it might be good to get some kind of approximated summary here now that everything is reaching a head. Guessing it's probably not a apocalyptic as suggested (and perhaps hoped) by some, but equally I'm aware that they seem to have placed a significant number of their eggs into this basket, so am interested in how that plays once the judgement is handed down. Sorry if it has been covered; just a lot of (very interesting, don't get me wrong) legal information here, so wondered about the impact beyond that. According to the Tony Watola it could be catastrophic apparentlyhttp://m.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-Rovers-Club-tells-court-catastrophe/story-26533487-detail/story.html Edited July 11, 2015 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 According to the Tony Watola it could be catastrophic apparentlyhttp://m.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-Rovers-Club-tells-court-catastrophe/story-26533487-detail/story.html In fairness though the blue few are not exactly famous for their ability to tell the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 In fairness though the blue few are not exactly famous for their ability to tell the truth Just like the Evil Post, really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 According to the Tony Watola it could be catastrophic apparentlyhttp://m.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-Rovers-Club-tells-court-catastrophe/story-26533487-detail/story.htmlI'm sure Tony Watola and the club have some robust contingency plans in place should the case go against them. Oh - wait a minute - he was the chap who didn't plan for relegation to the conference and it took him totally by surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 True, but that jibe has been easily countered by the presentation of the fact that we have won more since 1982 than they have since 1883. A 100 year head start and yet they are still firmly in our shadow What's 1883 got to do with anything - they're the 15ers, aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) In fairness though the blue few are not exactly famous for their ability to tell the truth Quite, I can believe it this time though. Surely it's not long until the Memorial Stadium is going to need some quite substantial repairs and upkeep, Wonga to repay, running costs... Don't get me wrong I don't think we'll be looking at a collapse, but unless there's some angel in the wings or the Directors are willing to pump in some cash I can believe they'd be on the razor's edge of a Darlington/Stockport esque decline. Edited July 11, 2015 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Quite, I can believe it this time though. Surely it's not long until the Memorial Stadium is going to need some quite substantial repairs and upkeep, Wonga to repay, running costs... Don't get me wrong I don't think we'll be looking at a collapse, but unless there's some angel in the wings or the Directors are willing to pump in some cash I can believe they'd be on the razor's edge of a Darlington/Stockport esque decline. Fingers crossed then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Quite, I can believe it this time though. Surely it's not long until the Memorial Stadium is going to need some quite substantial repairs and upkeep, Wonga to repay, running costs... Don't get me wrong I don't think we'll be looking at a collapse, but unless there's some angel in the wings or the Directors are willing to pump in some cash I can believe they'd be on the razor's edge of a Darlington/Stockport esque decline. Last time I went there for the rugby, I couldn't believe how tatty and dilapidated it all seemed. Even the "newer" stand looks grim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I am the mole Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Last time I went there for the rugby, I couldn't believe how tatty and dilapidated it all seemed. Even the "newer" stand looks grim.by stand you mean gazebo?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 by stand you mean gazebo?? Sweet Jesus I forgot about the tent which of course is the newest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Does anyone know if Bonio has found what he's looking for yet? Dried pig ears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Sweet Jesus I forgot about the tent which of course is the newest. It's like the best vegetable tent from our village show (see what I did there?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 by stand you mean gazebo?? Gasebo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Gasebo? Asbo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vincent Vega Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Thanks for that BCL. Having followed this thread, and particularly the informed comments of the likes of 29AR and yourself, my instinct is scenario 3 (Sainsbury's win) is extremely unlikely, to the point we can basically rule it out. A Rovers win, in the form of max. compensation, in your 'win big' no. 3 scenario will be the most likely outcome, whether it should be, or they truly deserve it, or not. Unfortunately they always somehow wangle their way out of the road to well deserved oblivion, whether it's fluking a promotion or stealing someone else's ground. Just when you feel their permanent demise must surely be happily inevitable they somehow find the extreme good fortune to wheedle their way out of it. This won't be any different, just like before the play off final I'm resigned to them winning and coming out smelling of roses - anything else which leaves Higgs and co. stymied, and Rovers in permanent disarray would be too good to be true - but I've long ago accepted that it's simply not going to happen. Maybe Monday the luck runs out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I suspect it will a legal and financial compromise. If there was a clear breach of contract by either party I can't imagine it would have taken so long to arrive at a judgement. So no winners and no losers IMO. Though financially it will almost certainly hurt the ex non league team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) I suspect it will a legal and financial compromise. If there was a clear breach of contract by either party I can't imagine it would have taken so long to arrive at a judgement. So no winners and no losers IMO. Though financially it will almost certainly hurt the ex non league team.I don't think there is much (or any) significance in the time taken, but I could be wrong. It does seem we can rule out the contract expressly dealing with this scenario so she will be referring to the contract as a whole and evidence of negotiations and correspondence to try to ascertain what would the agreement have said if this was contemplated. Then marry that with the parties' conduct. BCL referred to the mounds of evidence submitted when he went along. She has/had a hell of a job and I've not responded to them (and I'm not directing at you) but remarks of an easy life and golf days for the judiciary, generally, are way wide of the mark nowadays She was in Court in the interim too. In order to pay that case attention and give it a proper hearing she'll be carrying out research and reviewing documents in that case. One case had her in for a second hearing too so that could have been complex. I gotta be honest I think she's delivering in pretty good time. Edited July 11, 2015 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I don't think there is much (or any) significance in the time taken, but I could be wrong.It does seem we can rule out the contract expressly dealing with this scenario so she will be referring to the contract as a whole and evidence of negotiations and correspondence to try to ascertain what would the agreement have said if this was contemplated. Then marry that with the parties' conduct. BCL referred to the mounds of evidence submitted when he went along. She has/had a hell of a job and I've not responded to them (and I'm not directing at you) but remarks of an easy life and golf days for the judiciary, generally, are way wide of the mark nowadaysShe was in Court in the interim too. In order to pay that case attention and give it a proper hearing she'll be carrying out research and reviewing documents in that case. One case had her in for a second hearing too so that could have been complex.I gotta be honest I think she's delivering in pretty good time.errr......any chance of laymens terms or in a nutshell type thread please m'lud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 errr......any chance of laymens terms or in a nutshell type thread please m'lud Basically the judge hasn't been idle, or having it bang off. She's been putting in the time to consider all aspects of the evidence and paying close attention to the contract details. Then she's gone shopping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Basically the judge hasn't been idle, or having it bang off. She's been putting in the time to consider all aspects of the evidence and paying close attention to the contract details. Then she's gone shopping! With her nectar card.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Basically the judge hasn't been idle, or having it bang off. She's been putting in the time to consider all aspects of the evidence and paying close attention to the contract details. Then she's gone shopping! Where does she shop ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Where does she shop ? Sainsburys where else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwilkinson Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Is it not likely that Sainsburys have tried to protect their position as to costs by a Payment into Court? Should BLBR not recover damages exceeding any Payment into Court ,Sainsburys would be entitled to their costs from the date of Payment In despite "losing " the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 You just know that if This all goes in Rovers' favour, their retards/fans will be crowing about it in our direction as though we should somehow be envious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 You just know that if This all goes in Rovers' favour, their retards/fans will be crowing about it in our direction as though we should somehow be envious! Jealous are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Jealous are we? 6:41 am on Bristol City fans' forum.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 6:41 am on Bristol City fans' forum.... On a Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 On a Sunday Clearly he's up early in order to get to church early to cram in as many prayers as possible for tomorrow.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Clearly he's up early in order to get to church early to cram in as many prayers as possible for tomorrow.... More likely he's on the roof trying to raise some wonga ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 More likely he's on the roof trying to raise some wonga ? Once again, Rovers take the lead? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Once again, Rovers take the lead? Not on that day against Mansfield they didn't.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Who wasted their money on this? https://youtu.be/tU3j94dqDHA?t=2m18s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 D-Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Judgement Day for the Pie-Rats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Here it is then, will it be the ultimate in hilarity or the start of their push towards the Prem? I'll be watching on with interest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkateee Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Edited July 13, 2015 by Arkateee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 What time are we likely to hear? Bet there is a few people with squeeky bums this morning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Is it a possibility that Sainsburys lose this case and are told they have to stick to the terms of the contract, then UWE falls through anyway (due to increasing costs or UWE themselves not wanting the stadium any more) meaning that rovers can't move out and Sainsburys get to pull out for nothing due to the site not being vacant within any agreed timescale? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Here it is then, will it be the ultimate in hilarity or the start of their push towards the Prem? I'll be watching on with interest! Darlington built a nice new ground for their push to the prem, how did that end up again? Rovers will go nowhere with their current board, it's been the boards fault they are where they are instead of kicking on in the 90's when they had the momentum they squandered it and took all the money out of the club 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Is it a possibility that Sainsburys lose this case and are told they have to stick to the terms of the contract, then UWE falls through anyway (due to increasing costs or UWE themselves not wanting the stadium any more) meaning that rovers can't move out and Sainsburys get to pull out for nothing due to the site not being vacant within any agreed timescale?Am I right in thinking that the terms of the contract state that all money recieved from the possible sale must be spent on the new stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Here it is then, will it be the ultimate in hilarity or the start of their push towards the Prem? I'll be watching on with interest! Is it too late now to apply to get 'Santa's Grotto' awarded 'listed' status? If the Ashton Vale scrubland can be legally classified as a 'village green', surely 'listing' the Grotto is not as outrageous as one might initially assume? Oh, not to mention the status inferred of the whole site by its name.. Whatever the outcome - someone's gonna by 'taken up the aisle' later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I wish Paddy Power were running a book on this....another win - win situation ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I personally feel neither side will win. Both sides did things that were not in the spirit of the contract and some things were even breached so can't see it going anyones way which will of course mean Rovers lose as they wont be able to build a stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 guessing both sides already know the outcome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 guessing both sides already know the outcome? They would of been informed by now I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 guessing both sides already know the outcome? Almost certainly. The Judgment will have been released to the legal teams last week in draft to review for clerical errors etc. No action can be taken on the basis of a draft decision and parties can't disclose it to anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 They'll win. We all know they'll win. There is no way they'll lose. #Hedging #CrapGambler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Even if they do win they got themselves into this mess in the first place. Little has changed, the same people are still in charge aren't they. A victory now will have them believe they are Teflon coated which could be thir biggest downfall yet. May win the battle but not the war in the long run. Gasheads have a bumpy ride ahead of them still I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Presume unless its a sort of compromise either party will consider an apeal anyway? Not sure the Gash has the coin to appeal? This court case in Poker terms is their 'All In'. Edited July 13, 2015 by cityloyal473 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 When will Proudman release the decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 If all parties knew the result last week then this tweet worries me slightly... Geoff Dunford Jul 11 Geoff Dunford ?@GeoffDunford I belive it will be a positive week for Bristol Rovers on and off the pitch! No inside information. Just my view! #UTG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 COURT 16 Before MRS JUSTICE PROUDMAN Monday, 13 July 2015 At half past 10 FOR JUDGMENT TRIAL LIST HC-2014-001796 Sainsbury's Supermarkets Ltd v Bristol Rovers (1883) Ltd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Fancy a close 1-0 to Sainsburys myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 When will Proudman release the decision? Scheduled for 10:30am although there may be printed copies available in the court room a little before. How quickly it will be published online... we'll have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 There has got to be an own goal for the winner, but not sure yet in whose favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 To be honest this should be kept to the basement rovers thread doozer, as much as we like taking the piss 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Out of court settlement; 100,000 nectar points and some out of date pies. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I'll comment on whether this deserves its own thread or not after I know the judgement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) If all parties knew the result last week then this tweet worries me slightly... Geoff Dunford Jul 11 Geoff Dunford ?@GeoffDunford I belive it will be a positive week for Bristol Rovers on and off the pitch! No inside information. Just my view! #UTG Think they only get told 24 hours in advance of the result and for someone to have disclosed it to him would have been contempt of court. Think he's just taking a 50/50 swing at it. Further to that, I'd imagine that if the result has gone against Sainsbury's (as they'll already know) they would quite possibly be monitoring things like Twitter and Forums connected to the Gash for a 'leak' of some sort. Edited July 13, 2015 by cityloyal473 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I think they'll get awarded a whole booklet of those points for schools vouchers so they can buy themselves some new footballs and cones. They're gonna need the cones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 They expect to win but not get a full amount. The money will be spent on the Memorial Ground. But then who knows, only the judge I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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