Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

[Rich]

With out looking back through the posts, did any one find if the rumour was true and if so who was nasty b sag , that funded the TVG .

There was a Rovers supporting solicitor employed regularly by BRFC. He was based in Queen Square, asked numerous FOI questions of the council and fed the opposition with as much information as was available, in an attempt to hinder both the Ashton Vale development and the Ashton Gate superstore. Most of my info is now gone and I have spent too much of my life already searching for evidence of the skulduggery, which undoubtedly was used against BCFC and it's plans by all and sundry, scratching each others backs, supporting each others causes for their own selfish ends.

[mjd]

Ok thanks for that Rich.

[BS15_RED]

There was a Rovers supporting solicitor employed regularly by BRFC. He was based in Queen Square, asked numerous FOI questions of the council and fed the opposition with as much information as was available, in an attempt to hinder both the Ashton Vale development and the Ashton Gate superstore. Most of my info is now gone and I have spent too much of my life already searching for evidence of the skulduggery, which undoubtedly was used against BCFC and it's plans by all and sundry, scratching each others backs, supporting each others causes for their own selfish ends.

That's what I remember now, which makes their current predicament even more satisfying.

[Ian M]

I've seen this a few times now, but I have definitely missed something with the 'print that you bastards/Darryl Clarke' thing.

Anyone give me a brief description of what this is about?

 

When Rovers won the play-off semi, Dopey Daryll went down the local boozer and ingratiated himself amongst the Rovers' faithfew by buying them drinks and leading them in a rendition of "We are going up say we are going up".

 

This episode was caught on camera & uploaded to various social media outlets.

 

The Grimsby Telegraph watched one of these videos and printed a story about how unprofessional Dopey was.

 

Rovers scammed a penalty shoot out win.

 

Dopey Daryll headed back down the pub & performed an encore of the aforementioned song before encouraging the illegitimate offspring based at the Grimsby Telegraph to print that.

[Rich]

With out looking back through the posts, did any one find if the rumour was true and if so who was nasty b sag , that funded the TVG .

Not sure if he funded the application for a TVG but, he put his name as the applicant and he was a Rovers supporter. He later withdrew his application but the TVGers argued that it was after all, a joint application, which I believe wasn't allowed in law, but then suddenly was.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

My god there are some mindless comments on here. Just think back to the JPT at home to the gas. Quite Simply the best atmosphere I have even been in during a football match and I am an old git. Do we really want to see that rivalry die. Sainsbury have sh1t on rovers as they have shit on numerous others, how would you feel if the boot was on the other foot. All this guff of we hate the rovers, the gas took the piss in our hour of need is not better than play ground politics. It's about time we showed them some support. Long live the rivalry that I grew up with. You never know how much you miss things until it's gone, it's then too late.

 

Perhaps you missed the Swindon at home match? I loved beating the gas in the jpt particularly when one of our own scored but home v swindle after all that happened and all that was at stake? That was the best ever home atmosphere in a local derby for me.

 

I'm gonna miss neither club whatever happens to them. There's always other rivalries who will take their place - like  the one's who play in Red  err blue and wear velcro gloves.

[alexukhc]

Is lita really trialling with them?

[redfred]

When Rovers won the play-off semi, Dopey Daryll went down the local boozer and ingratiated himself amongst the Rovers' faithfew by buying them drinks and leading them in a rendition of "We are going up say we are going up".

This episode was caught on camera & uploaded to various social media outlets.

The Grimsby Telegraph watched one of these videos and printed a story about how unprofessional Dopey was.

Rovers scammed a penalty shoot out win.

Dopey Daryll headed back down the pub & performed an encore of the aforementioned song before encouraging the illegitimate offspring based at the Grimsby Telegraph to print that.

Thanks for that, Ian. I knew about the first cringeworthy visit, but I didn't know he went on to make a tit of himself again and also taunted the Grimsby local rag too.

He is a really classy chap. Maybe when they move to their new stadium at the UWE he'll up his game a little bit.

[Swede]

The only time dopey will be going to UWE in the near future will be for a football management training course but I'm not sure he has the right credentials.

[WhistleHappy]

Can they actually afford an appeal tho?

Yes,

.....I'm pretty sure if both their supporters chipped in too that a Cox's Orange Pippen or even Royal Gala would be within their collective means.

[Rudolf Hucker]

When Rovers won the play-off semi, Dopey Daryll went down the local boozer and ingratiated himself amongst the Rovers' faithfew by buying them drinks and leading them in a rendition of "We are going up say we are going up".

 

This episode was caught on camera & uploaded to various social media outlets.

 

The Grimsby Telegraph watched one of these videos and printed a story about how unprofessional Dopey was.

 

Rovers scammed a penalty shoot out win.

 

Dopey Daryll headed back down the pub & performed an encore of the aforementioned song before encouraging the illegitimate offspring based at the Grimsby Telegraph to print that.

"Faithfew" - I feel privileged to be present at the dawn of a brand new word. Well done sir - very appropriate!

[Arkateee]

"Faithfew" - I feel privileged to be present at the dawn of a brand new word. Well done sir - very appropriate!

This is definitely word of the day,(Faithfew) if I'm being honest:)

[Aizoon]

Perhaps you missed the Swindon at home match? I loved beating the gas in the jpt particularly when one of our own scored but home v swindle after all that happened and all that was at stake? That was the best ever home atmosphere in a local derby for me.

 

I'm gonna miss neither club whatever happens to them. There's always other rivalries who will take their place - like  the one's who play in Red  err blue and wear velcro gloves.

 

+1

[slartibartfast]

The only time dopey will be going to UWE in the near future will be for a football management training course but I'm not sure he has the right credentials.

Or to resit his GCSE;s (or what ever they're called now ) !

[Ian M]

"Faithfew" - I feel privileged to be present at the dawn of a brand new word. Well done sir - very appropriate!

This is definitely word of the day,(Faithfew) if I'm being honest:)

Not gonna lie, I was proud of myself when I wrote that one

[Langford Red]

So the Gash are to appeal 

[RumRed]

So the Gash are to appeal

Ha ha ha, more fun to come then!

[Rudolf Hucker]

 

So the Gash are to appeal 

 

Presumably they first have to ask leave to appeal?

[Danny P]

How did the 15ers manage to do that; they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery ?!

Im sure the gas were the only club in the South West not to publicly support Ashton Vale and the World Cup bid. Jealous little tossers are getting what they deserve, karma can be a right bitch

[Danny P]

How did the 15ers manage to do that; they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery ?!

Im sure the gas were the only club in the South West not to publicly support Ashton Vale and the World Cup bid. Jealous little tossers are getting what they deserve, karma can be a right bitch

[Guest]

Presumably they first have to ask leave to appeal?

They certainly do. Ordinarily first to the High Court, and commonly it's a written paper as opposed to a hearing. If they want permission to appeal one thing the Court will bear in mind is prospects of success on appeal.

If the High Court refused permission the next step would be to petition to the relevant Appeal Court (Court of Appeal in this instance) to hear the case. They too will then decide whether to allow Rovers to appeal.

One thing I've not seen mentioned is Sainsbury's position. Whilst they won the case ultimately they themselves may want to launch their own appeal if Rovers were to. They might want to submit that the judgment should have gone their way on grounds in addition to the one that succeeded. It's possible Sainsbury's could win on appeal for entirely different reasons than given by the High Court.

I'm not particularly surprised Rovers have sought permission to appeal. I'd have been more surprised if they never to be honest. There's just too much money at stake once you've gone this far not to try. Whilst an appeal would need to be launched with good intentions otherwise you could be liable for the other side's cost in defending the appeal, if permission is granted it puts Rovers straight back in to a bargaining position for an out of court settlement... - I'm not suggesting it's the intention at all, but if leave to appeal is granted Sainsbury's may well decide a settlement in the order of the wonga loan is a price worth paying to draw a line in the sand even if they fancy their chances.

Edited July 18, 2015 by Guest

[Guest I am the mole]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9915096/hold-hold-hold-hold

They'd be behind a lot of teams in this list if they were actually in the league last year!!!!

How can that be with all their amazing support?

[Aizoon]

They certainly do. Ordinarily first to the High Court, and commonly it's a written paper as opposed to a hearing. If they want permission to appeal one thing the Court will bear in mind is prospects of success on appeal.

If the High Court refused permission the next step would be to petition to the relevant Appeal Court (Court of Appeal in this instance) to hear the case. They too will then decide whether to allow Rovers to appeal.

One thing I've not seen mentioned is Sainsbury's position. Whilst they won the case ultimately they themselves may want to launch their own appeal if Rovers were to. They might want to submit that the judgment should have gone their way on grounds in addition to the one that succeeded. It's possible Sainsbury's could win on appeal for entirely different reasons than given by the High Court.

I'm not particularly surprised Rovers have sought permission to appeal. I'd have been more surprised if they never to be honest. There's just too much money at stake once you've gone this far not to try. Whilst an appeal would need to be launched with good intentions otherwise you could be liable for the other side's cost in defending the appeal, if permission is granted it puts Rovers straight back in to a bargaining position for an out of court settlement... - I'm not suggesting it's the intention at all, but if leave to appeal is granted Sainsbury's may well decide a settlement in the order of the wonga loan is a price worth paying to draw a line in the sand even if they fancy their chances.

 

Classic gambler's logic. Keep doubling the stake until it comes up red

[BobbyC]

Do the courts shut for the summer ?

If so it will be a long wait for a result.

[Monkeh]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9915096/hold-hold-hold-hold

They'd be behind a lot of teams in this list if they were actually in the league last year!!!!

How can that be with all their amazing support?

they would be 52nd their avg was 6k and the men holds 12k so they are filling about 50%

[Monkeh]

Classic gambler's logic. Keep doubling the stake until it comes up red

WhoA bad Betty bam a lam

[Guest I am the mole]

they would be 52nd their avg was 6k and the men holds 12k so they are filling about 50%

behind a lot of teams they are supposed to be bigger than!

[Big C]

they would be 52nd their avg was 6k and the men holds 12k so they are filling about 50%

but that's because the other 50k never showed up because they thought it would be a sell out

[Guest]

[Guest Come on Eileen]

[Guest]

The case you make holds water provided 1. the company is already up shit creek and 2, and this is really really important, you dont incur any more cost than it is reasonable to assume you'll recover and 3. you don't do 2 in a

way that might increase indebtedness in the event of administration.

Given the state Rovers finances are in the only way an appeal can be funded is by mitigated PG from directors or direct funding by directors.

True enough, but there are upsides such as opening up the prospect of a settlement again.

An appeal will be expensive, but a drop in the ocean if they win. As you say rightly the decision comes down to what is reasonable.

The only point I make re reasonable is just because one course is reasonable doesn't make the other unreasonable. From afar, seems to me this could possibly be an instance of either course of action being reasonable in the circumstances.

Edited July 18, 2015 by Guest

[alexukhc]

See they won the World Cup earlier by losing 1-0 to Arsenals u21s

[Up The City!]

They do know you can't appeal simply because they think the decision is wrong don't they? When they aak for permission to appeal they will have to show the judge got it wrong based on hard facts. Can't see them getting permission to appeal tbh because the judgement looks pretty clear.

[Guest Come on Eileen]

They do know you can't appeal simply because they think the decision is wrong don't they? When they aak for permission to appeal they will have to show the judge got it wrong based on hard facts. Can't see them getting permission to appeal tbh because the judgement looks pretty clear.

Exactly, they have to show the judge may have misinterpreted the law incorrectly or the trial was administered incorrectly although due to the public interest angle, 100 million outraged Gasheads, it may get through on the observational humour test.

[Guest Come on Eileen]

See they won the World Cup earlier by losing 1-0 to Arsenals u21s

There could be thousands celebrating with bonfires on the streets of Athens tonight

[slartibartfast]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9915096/hold-hold-hold-hold

They'd be behind a lot of teams in this list if they were actually in the league last year!!!!

How can that be with all their amazing support?

I knw it;s the same for all teams ,BUT we'd have been much higher if it wasn't for some very poor away followings at AG  !

[Guest]

They do know you can't appeal simply because they think the decision is wrong don't they? When they aak for permission to appeal they will have to show the judge got it wrong based on hard facts. Can't see them getting permission to appeal tbh because the judgement looks pretty clear.

Yeah. I make no comment on their prospects. Application to appeal can be a relatively cheap pursuit.... The appeal however.

[Smaller than a flea]

For all you lot who think we're all deluded and are heading to the Prem as soon we build the UWE in 2045, there are some who can have a laugh about it all

 

http://gaschat.co.uk/thread/4054/plan-brick

[alexukhc]

There could be thousands celebrating with bonfires on the streets of Athens tonight

Billions don't you mean?

[Up The City!]

Yeah. I make no comment on their prospects. Application to appeal can be a relatively cheap pursuit.... The appeal however.

It all centres around that cut off date and to me that seems pretty water tight. Anything that happened after that really has no relevance as Sainsburys were perfectly entitled to withdraw.

I can see Rovers challenging the expert who said Sainsburys only had a 55% chance of winning the appeal over delivery hours.

[Guest]

It all centres around that cut off date and to me that seems pretty water tight. Anything that happened after that really has no relevance as Sainsburys were perfectly entitled to withdraw.

I can see Rovers challenging the expert who said Sainsburys only had a 55% chance of winning the appeal over delivery hours.

Ordinarily there would be almost nil chance against the expert. Their opinion was seemingly sought by and provided to Sainsbury's. They'd owe no duty of care to Rovers, and even if they did his engagement and opinion would no doubt have excluded third party reliance and liability.

Normally if there was improper advice it would be Sainsbury's claim to pursue if they wished, or if required to.

Until we know the grounds for appeal it's hard to comment on its merits. If it is baseless it will get thrown out but right now we don't know what card it is that they're going to play. For all we know there could have been something procedural they've held up their sleeve.

[Ian M]

[bert tann]

[pongo88]

For all you lot who think we're all deluded and are heading to the Prem as soon we build the UWE in 2045, there are some who can have a laugh about it all

http://gaschat.co.uk/thread/4054/plan-brick

I liked the suggestion that fans bring a brick to each game. They have obviously copied City's plan for fans to buy a brick for the previous scheme to replace the Wedlock with a new stand. First of all they steal the ground from Bristol Rugby and now they are stealing our ideas to help them build a new stand.

[Guest i hate rovers]

I suggest a course of anger management could help with your issues.

i suggest you join your friends on the sag forum

[Aizoon]

[Guest]

So 6.5 million in debt with interest of 44k per month plus player wages and any new transfers.

And they want to appeal??

They can withdraw from an appeal at any point. The risks are some costs and potentially Sainsbury's too. Sure the worst case scenario of failing and being liable for costs appears daunting, but the plug can be pulled before getting that deep. And who knows what offer Sainsbury's might be prepared to make if any (think hedging potential risk...) and Rovers prepared to accept between now and then to drop it..? Edited July 19, 2015 by Guest

[Langford Red]

Gypsies

[bert tann]

[Merrick's Marvels]

[22A]

[Cider_boy]

Not too happy. If Rovers go bust, many entities (including local traders) will be left owed money by something that no longer exists.

And if you're a local (or any sort of trader) you should no longer be doing business with Rovers other than cash up front! The loss of credit terms is often what tips someone into administration earlier than would otherwise be the case.

[I'm Sparti-Bob]

Gypsies

Don't forget 'tramps and thieves'

[Langford Red]

Not too happy. If Rovers go bust, many entities (including local traders) will be left owed money by something that no longer exists.

 

 

those things happen in all work

[Langford Red]

[Sprocket]

"Higgs to apply for European bail out loan". 

[In the Net]

I liked the suggestion that fans bring a brick to each game. They have obviously copied City's plan for fans to buy a brick for the previous scheme to replace the Wedlock with a new stand. First of all they steal the ground from Bristol Rugby and now they are stealing our ideas to help them build a new stand.

 

Various clubs have used the "buy a brick" scheme to fund stadium builds/improvements over the years - to lay claim to it as your own idea is a bit like saying that you invented the wheel.

[Chappers]

I get the impression that Higgs is just desperate to save face. Even if he won an appeal, no doubt Sainsburys would appeal that decision.

[Red-Robbo]

Not too happy. If Rovers go bust, many entities (including local traders) will be left owed money by something that no longer exists.

Mainly players and staff tbh.

[ciderup]

Mainly players and staff tbh.

 

My understanding is that their 'Wonga' loan was secured against the (:laugh:) 'stadium'. The Mem is owned by a totally separate company from the football club IIRC. That company is owned by Higgs and Dunford so they must have agreed to risk their equity. The loan doesn't affect the football club directly if my understanding is right, wether they will still have a home ground is debatable but the loan is secured against the Mem, not the football club.

They're screwd anyway!!

[Red-Robbo]

My understanding is that their 'Wonga' loan was secured against the () 'stadium'. The Mem is owned by a totally separate company from the football club IIRC. That company is owned by Higgs and Dunford so they must have agreed to risk their equity. The loan doesn't affect the football club directly if my understanding is right, wether they will still have a home ground is debatable but the loan is secured against the Mem, not the football club.

They're screwd anyway!!

I expect you're right there on all counts. But those running weekly losses - and court costs - will make further borrowing necessary very soon.

[Monkeh]

My understanding is that their 'Wonga' loan was secured against the () 'stadium'. The Mem is owned by a totally separate company from the football club IIRC. That company is owned by Higgs and Dunford so they must have agreed to risk their equity. The loan doesn't affect the football club directly if my understanding is right, wether they will still have a home ground is debatable but the loan is secured against the Mem, not the football club.

They're screwd anyway!!

It's a holding company much like the firm that owns Ashton gate

However southampton's holding company went into administration and not the club itself but the club was still issued a points deduction

[phantom]

From the thread linked above, this reply is brilliant !

 

I went to watch Bristol v stade francais a few years back.

Arrived at the ground but when inside the seat for my ticket did not exist.

My wife's seat was there but not mine. Seemed that it had been removed from the end of the row to facilitate space for a wheel chair.
Due to the fact it was a sell out the stewards fetched me a stool from the bar to sit on.
So maybe we should all bring a bar stool to. Lots available due to the amounts of pubs closing down.

Would add to the ambience in my opinion!

[Aizoon]

Various clubs have used the "buy a brick" scheme to fund stadium builds/improvements over the years - to lay claim to it as your own idea is a bit like saying that you invented the wheel.

 

I believe that Bristol Sport still holds the patent

[phantom]

I liked the suggestion that fans bring a brick to each game. They have obviously copied City's plan for fans to buy a brick for the previous scheme to replace the Wedlock with a new stand.

 

Am still waiting to see where my brick ends up !

[bert tann]

My understanding is that their 'Wonga' loan was secured against the ( ) 'stadium'. The Mem is owned by a totally separate company from the football club IIRC. That company is owned by Higgs and Dunford so they must have agreed to risk their equity. The loan doesn't affect the football club directly if my understanding is right, wether they will still have a home ground is debatable but the loan is secured against the Mem, not the football club.

They're screwd anyway!!

 

The funny thing is ciderup that MSP Capital do actually have a charge over the football club as well as the Mem. So they obviously did not want Nicholas "spinning off" the Rovers without settling their debt. Which might mean there is substance to the speculation that Dorset based  MSP may be friends with Dorset based  Harry Redknapp and that there is a link between the MSP deal with 1883 Ltd  and Harry's expressed desire to "form a consawtyum and get back into footbaw".  So the arrangement between Nicholas and MSP Capital could be more than simply a "bridging" loan and perhaps that is what our own "young gentleman in a civil disturbance" is alluding to when he tells us of those "other options" ?  Or it might all be a load of bowls !

 

 

  

[Monkeh]

The funny thing is ciderup that MSP Capital do actually have a charge over the football club as well as the Mem. So they obviously did not want Nicholas "spinning off" the Rovers without settling their debt. Which might mean there is substance to the speculation that Dorset based  MSP may be friends with Dorset based  Harry Redknapp and that there is a link between the MSP deal with 1883 Ltd  and Harry's expressed desire to "form a consawtyum and get back into footbaw".  So the arrangement between Nicholas and MSP Capital could be more than simply a "bridging" loan and perhaps that is what our own "young gentleman in a civil disturbance" is alluding to when he tells us of those "other options" ?  Or it might all be a load of bowls !

 

 https://youtu.be/CmBHAlP4nwM

More chane of the gas getting use the Harry buying them out

[Aizoon]

More chane of the gas getting use the Harry buying them out

Surely it's 'Arry's dog as does the finances?

[Vincent Vega]

The funny thing is ciderup that MSP Capital do actually have a charge over the football club as well as the Mem. So they obviously did not want Nicholas "spinning off" the Rovers without settling their debt. Which might mean there is substance to the speculation that Dorset based  MSP may be friends with Dorset based  Harry Redknapp and that there is a link between the MSP deal with 1883 Ltd  and Harry's expressed desire to "form a consawtyum and get back into footbaw".  So the arrangement between Nicholas and MSP Capital could be more than simply a "bridging" loan and perhaps that is what our own "young gentleman in a civil disturbance" is alluding to when he tells us of those "other options" ?  Or it might all be a load of bowls !

 

 

  

Clutching & Straws...

[bert tann]

Clutching & Straws...

 

You'll be telling us next you don't believe Santa's Grotto has a sell on Claus.