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I don't think for a moment that the UWE will happen on its current terms, Al Qadi said the talks continue.

No one seemed to pick up on NH saying 'hopefully' the UWE will still be built.

I think it comes down to whether the UWE are open to a sale of the land, think there may be some ruling that a Uni can't be seen to be making big profits, so a money talks scenario to get the land would perhaps be unlikely.

He may be able to flex his financial muscles to purchase the Rolls Royce land and a hotel there would be a better idea than a hotel at UWE where two other hotels are within a stones throw.

Gut feeling is a new stadium will be built to a different spec (maybe bigger) at a different location with a hotel and all the club facilities on one site, but that is just a feeling.

Whatever the outcome it's going to be one hell of a journey and in 3-5 years the club will be unrecognisable to how it is today IMO.
 
I don't know where this 'universities aren't allowed to profit' line comes from.  They're financially independent institutions, expected to make the most of their assets.  Oxford University is a major landowner and coins it in from that.  If UWE have land they don't need, why shouldn't they sell it?  If it's effectively on a permanent lease, with a stadium on it, it's not as if they could do anything else with it themselves.  I assumed the lease arrangement was to help a skint football club to fund the stadium (not enough, as it turned out).  If that's not required, bank it upfront.  I've no grasp on this strips of land thing: what strips of land, where's this come from, and (maybe relevant to the where they are thing), what's their significance?

I agree with Astafjev's thought that it might be easy for the locally inexperienced to overestimate the chances of finding an alternative site and getting planning permission for a blue sky rethink.  Maybe the talks with S Glos have encourage it, though.
 


Her indoors works at the higher education funding council and seems to think that there could be a clause in selling the land previously owned by HP on to a private investor, I misunderstood what she was saying first time around, not for the first nor last time! Maybe there isn't a clause but wifey seems to think there may well be one, time will tell.



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28 minutes ago, ciderup said:

Here he is, the walking advert for sterilisation. What a belter the dad is. Fancy filming when your dad is pissed up.

 

You have to give the lad some credit, with an old man like that he's done well with the hand he was dealt in life. In his shoes I most probably would have been drinking petrol, like his father appears to do. 

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54 minutes ago, Coombsy said:

Have rovers payed off all the lones or just the directors lones .

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This is a very interesting point. The new owners might have taken over by buying out the previous directors - i e paying them the money they had lent the club. On the other hand, Nick Higgs and Co. may have realised that they had no way to pay the Wonga loan in the summer and, the longer they stayed with the club, the worse their personal financial position would become. In this case, they may have been prepared to right off some of their personal loans, meaning the new owners are only responsible for non-directors debts. This would be a relatively cheap way to buy the club, based on the value of the land. 

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I don't think for a moment that the UWE will happen on its current terms, Al Qadi said the talks continue.

No one seemed to pick up on NH saying 'hopefully' the UWE will still be built.

I think it comes down to whether the UWE are open to a sale of the land, think there may be some ruling that a Uni can't be seen to be making big profits, so a money talks scenario to get the land would perhaps be unlikely.

He may be able to flex his financial muscles to purchase the Rolls Royce land and a hotel there would be a better idea than a hotel at UWE where two other hotels are within a stones throw.

Gut feeling is a new stadium will be built to a different spec (maybe bigger) at a different location with a hotel and all the club facilities on one site, but that is just a feeling.

Whatever the outcome it's going to be one hell of a journey and in 3-5 years the club will be unrecognisable to how it is today IMO.
 
I don't know where this 'universities aren't allowed to profit' line comes from.  They're financially independent institutions, expected to make the most of their assets.  Oxford University is a major landowner and coins it in from that.  If UWE have land they don't need, why shouldn't they sell it?  If it's effectively on a permanent lease, with a stadium on it, it's not as if they could do anything else with it themselves.  I assumed the lease arrangement was to help a skint football club to fund the stadium (not enough, as it turned out).  If that's not required, bank it upfront.  I've no grasp on this strips of land thing: what strips of land, where's this come from, and (maybe relevant to the where they are thing), what's their significance?

I agree with Astafjev's thought that it might be easy for the locally inexperienced to overestimate the chances of finding an alternative site and getting planning permission for a blue sky rethink.  Maybe the talks with S Glos have encourage it, though.
 


Her indoors works at the higher education funding council and seems to think that there could be a clause in selling the land previously owned by HP on to a private investor, I misunderstood what she was saying first time around, not for the first nor last time! Maybe there isn't a clause but wifey seems to think there may well be one, time will tell.



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Ffs why does it just say I've not got a bloody clue what's happening.

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20 minutes ago, Just Red said:

No I don't think anyone can agree. There has been zero evidence to back up any wealth. Nick Higgs was quite well off, wouldn't it be perfect if Higgs actually has more money than these lot?

Many a true word etc etc

The priority for Nicholas was to get out and this option enabled him to do that.

Although details of the transaction have not been disclosed it is interesting that those who had the most to gain by their debt being repaid seem happy whereas those who possibly expected a windfall for selling their shares do not appear overjoyed. And apparently no offer was made to the shareholders still left with 8% of the equity ?

But the big question remaining unanswered is the commitment to the future because Nicholas had repeatedly said he would only sell to someone who could show they had a plan to take Rovers forward and prove they had the funds to implement that plan.

Where is the plan ?  

The other interested party are said to have had a plan which included building the UWE Stadium to it's full specification and injecting substantial cash into the football club to help elevate the team up the leagues.

But perhaps they were not prepared to be so generous to Nicholas and Co so he turned a blind ear to them ?

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5 minutes ago, bert tann said:

Many a true word etc etc

The priority for Nicholas was to get out and this option enabled him to do that.

Although details of the transaction have not been disclosed it is interesting that those who had the most to gain by their debt being repaid seem happy whereas those who possibly expected a windfall for selling their shares do not appear overjoyed. And apparently no offer was made to the shareholders still left with 8% of the equity ?

But the big question remaining unanswered is the commitment to the future because Nicholas had repeatedly said he would only sell to someone who could show they had a plan to take Rovers forward and prove they had the funds to implement that plan.

Where is the plan ?  

The other interested party are said to have had a plan which included building the UWE Stadium to it's full specification and injecting substantial cash into the football club to help elevate the team up the leagues.

But perhaps they were not prepared to be so generous to Nicholas and Co so he turned a blind ear to them ?

Wise words as always Bert. I think there is a lot more to come out regarding this takeover.

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2 hours ago, Fiale said:

They can try, would be foolish not to, but a lot of Rovers fans seem to think UWE needs Rovers more than Rovers needs UWE - I understand they are excited to get rid of the potential of administration if Higgs failed in the Sainsbury's case and lost the Mem due to loans being set against it, but they seem to have gotten a little carried away. 

I agree there needs to be some realism. The excitement of the past couple of days has caused some hysteria for sure. The weeks and months to come will hopefully shake things out and ground some people

 

At leas Mr Al Qadi isnt shouting from the roof tops

49 minutes ago, Just Red said:

The fact he was sat in standard seating at Stamford bridge rather than in the posh expensive seats etc doesn't ring alarm bells about their truth wealth?

Hmmm, nothing has been paid off. He stated "debts will be paid off over time"

Again says quite a lot.

yes but the Wonga loan is due April circa 3m. That is the crippling debt. I assume that would be pAid off. First

 

The rest is owed to the directors who will probably be paid back over time

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13 minutes ago, 29AR said:

You have to give the lad some credit, with an old man like that he's done well with the hand he was dealt in life. In his shoes I most probably would have been drinking petrol, like his father appears to do. 

I think the old man was about to drive as well... 

Anyway, "premiership in five years", "bigger and richer club than the shit". Perhaps we should take heed of what the learned petrol drinker says. I've made a diary note to review his comments in 2021.

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57 minutes ago, ciderup said:

Here he is, the walking advert for sterilisation. What a belter the dad is. Fancy filming when your dad is pissed up.

 

This is what happens when cousins marry.........

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3 minutes ago, Tomarse said:

The Rolls Royce site theory can be written straight off - they've just started work on that recently. 

Yep, this is why UWE is a good location for a ground though, the Filton development, and all the new housing SG keeps dumping on our Northern boundary does not look set to stop, also great motorway and rail access.... cannot see any major housing projects our side likely to happen.... well ever to be honest !

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Haven't read every page, but common thought is, if the Jordanians were flush with banking millions they'd have bought a decent team. They may have £70m, but they're not spending al that on the Gash, like SL didn't spend his fortune on us.

Hoping this provides stability, banter was so much better when Bristol rivalry was closer.

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1 hour ago, ciderup said:

Here he is, the walking advert for sterilisation. What a belter the dad is. Fancy filming when your dad is pissed up.

 

**** me. Every branch hit when he fell out the ugly tree. Do they still make Clearasil?

If that was me and I knew I was going to end up like my pie eating, 1 brain cell Dad, I'd be on the next plane to the Dignitas Clinic.

The gift that keeps on giving! Priceless! :laugh:

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My genuine prediction for Rovers in the next 2/3 years...
They will get promotion to League 1.
Struggle for the first 3/4 months and Clarke will get sacked.
Holloway their god will come back and they will talk of Premier League once more and will struggle.
They'll languish around L1 for years and do not a lot. 
They'll still claim they're a bigger, better supported club than us, somehow they're richer and we're really jealous.

Glad my Dad was a City fan, imagine being one of them!!

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45 minutes ago, Hello said:

I agree there needs to be some realism. The excitement of the past couple of days has caused some hysteria for sure. The weeks and months to come will hopefully shake things out and ground some people

 

At leas Mr Al Qadi isnt shouting from the roof tops

yes but the Wonga loan is due April circa 3m. That is the crippling debt. I assume that would be pAid off. First

 

The rest is owed to the directors who will probably be paid back over time

"3m debt.... what 3m debt?    Higgsy, come back here you son of a Turk camel raper !"

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16 minutes ago, Fiale said:

The kid seems ok - we all have embarrassing dads at times... luckily not caught on camera and uploaded to mytube on the interweb

To be fair the kid went out to what looks like a yellow 'prat-mobile' and waxed lyrical - inanely. Whilst he may come across as level headed sat next to his old man he still put up a 5 minute video, of him, sat in a car, with his dad, with his dad embarrassing them both and embarrassed himself by rattling with really amounted to about 3 unique points - which he repeated ad nauseum. 

You can excuse him though as by his old man he seems to have been dealt a rough hand. 

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53 minutes ago, Hello said:

I agree there needs to be some realism. The excitement of the past couple of days has caused some hysteria for sure. The weeks and months to come will hopefully shake things out and ground some people

 

At leas Mr Al Qadi isnt shouting from the roof tops

yes but the Wonga loan is due April circa 3m. That is the crippling debt. I assume that would be pAid off. First

 

The rest is owed to the directors who will probably be paid back over time

Again, you are assuming. There is absolutely zero guarantees of this happening. Has the bloke even got 3 million? If I had 3 million in my bank I'd have a box at Stamford Bridge, not sit in the front row.

Just a thought and I could be completely wrong but considering this bloke is a banker, does he have anything to do with the wonga loan?

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5 minutes ago, Just Red said:

Again, you are assuming. There is absolutely zero guarantees of this happening. Has the bloke even got 3 million? If I had 3 million in my bank I'd have a box at Stamford Bridge, not sit in the front row.

Just a thought and I could be completely wrong but considering this bloke is a banker, does he have anything to do with the wonga loan?

They own a 31% share in a Jordanian bank - think of it as owning a 31% stake in a Welsh bank, it's money... but not a lot.

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1 hour ago, Sniper said:

**** me. Every branch hit when he fell out the ugly tree. Do they still make Clearasil?

If that was me and I knew I was going to end up like my pie eating, 1 brain cell Dad, I'd be on the next plane to the Dignitas Clinic.

The gift that keeps on giving! Priceless! :laugh:

clearasil? an hour in a pool of caustic soda wouldnt clear that

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4 hours ago, Hello said:

What are you on about. Look around. fair play not selling the Ashton Gate name, but it is a way to create revenue for the club to spend and you know full well the cost of football as your own owner has financed plenty. That Carling Ateyo bloke you had was a good player wasnt he, or is that a great way to honour him when you have a billionaire sticking a cheap lager before his name?

 

As for not having a heart, i would argue we had plenty giving we were homeless for 20 years and survived and even out peformed you lot when we had even less than no pot to piss in

Not being funny fella but don't you have an enclosure or summat sponsored by dribuild and another by the Bristol Post? 

3 hours ago, pride of the west said:

Next year's published accounts will be interesting

Are accounts published following the start of the tax year? ie if we are going to see this year's accounts, they'll be published in 2017 as the tax year is always a year behind?

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7 hours ago, Septic Peg said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not being funny fella but don't you have an enclosure or summat sponsored by dribuild and another by the Bristol Post? 

 

 I know we do that was my point. The poster i quoted was saying if Al Qadi is so rich why does he nees to sell naming rights, we still play at AG

Well SL is rich enough that you dont need lager sponsorship in front of the Ateyo stand surely

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Hello said:

 I know we do that was my point. The poster i quoted was saying if Al Qadi is so rich why does he nees to sell naming rights, we still play at AG

Well SL is rich enough that you dont need lager sponsorship in front of the Ateyo stand surely

 

 

 

Let's be honest these rich people become rich by being very good at managing money. No matter how rich someone is there not going to give away 10k if a company is willing to pay that for their name on a stand are they? 

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9 hours ago, Big Brother said:

Another possible scenario - UWE falls through, the new owners find land further afield and bye bye rovers.

I had never considered that. I'm not sure it's the most likely thing in the world, but then again, it's a possibility. 

I'm genuinely not sure how I'd feel about it. 

And where would they go?

interesting point  

 

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17 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I had never considered that. I'm not sure it's the most likely thing in the world, but then again, it's a possibility. 

I'm genuinely not sure how I'd feel about it. 

And where would they go?

interesting point  

 

I'm sure Milton Keynes could support two teams...

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22 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I had never considered that. I'm not sure it's the most likely thing in the world, but then again, it's a possibility. 

I'm genuinely not sure how I'd feel about it. 

And where would they go?

interesting point  

 

i think they will muscle in on another club with a decent ground. kingswood schoolboys maybe?

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1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:

I had never considered that. I'm not sure it's the most likely thing in the world, but then again, it's a possibility. 

I'm genuinely not sure how I'd feel about it. 

And where would they go?

interesting point  

 

Nice little place a short hop over the channel,full of tents, containers,loads of arabs,home from home.

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12 hours ago, bert tann said:

Many a true word etc etc

The priority for Nicholas was to get out and this option enabled him to do that.

Although details of the transaction have not been disclosed it is interesting that those who had the most to gain by their debt being repaid seem happy whereas those who possibly expected a windfall for selling their shares do not appear overjoyed. And apparently no offer was made to the shareholders still left with 8% of the equity ?

But the big question remaining unanswered is the commitment to the future because Nicholas had repeatedly said he would only sell to someone who could show they had a plan to take Rovers forward and prove they had the funds to implement that plan.

Where is the plan ?  

The other interested party are said to have had a plan which included building the UWE Stadium to it's full specification and injecting substantial cash into the football club to help elevate the team up the leagues.

But perhaps they were not prepared to be so generous to Nicholas and Co so he turned a blind ear to them ?

Believe the new owners are quoted as saying they actually do not have a structured plan on paper as yet.of course sustainability is key but will be interesting to see some meat on the bones over the next year or so.intreaging.

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3 hours ago, Hello said:

 I know we do that was my point. The poster i quoted was saying if Al Qadi is so rich why does he nees to sell naming rights, we still play at AG

Well SL is rich enough that you dont need lager sponsorship in front of the Ateyo stand surely

 

 

 

I do agree with you on this, I've always found it distasteful that possibly BCFC's greatest player has a brand name stuck in front of his name.

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14 hours ago, bert tann said:

Many a true word etc etc

The priority for Nicholas was to get out and this option enabled him to do that.

But the big question remaining unanswered is the commitment to the future because Nicholas had repeatedly said he would only sell to someone who could show they had a plan to take Rovers forward and prove they had the funds to implement that plan.

Where is the plan ?  

The other interested party are said to have had a plan which included building the UWE Stadium to it's full specification and injecting substantial cash into the football club to help elevate the team up the leagues.

But perhaps they were not prepared to be so generous to Nicholas and Co so he turned a blind ear to them ?

Whatever us City fans think of Higgs Bert he is/was definitely a Rovers fan but isn't wealthy in football club ownership terms and I doubt if he got out what he put in so I can understand if his decision was based upon how much he would recoup.

 

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1 hour ago, Portland Bill said:

I do agree with you on this, I've always found it distasteful that possibly BCFC's greatest player has a brand name stuck in front of his name.

How else does a club manage to fulfil the most important part of modern football pay the ridiculous wages that many average footballers earn these days?, the athletes who many find it difficult to occasionally play 3 games in 7 days.

 

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34 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

How else does a club manage to fulfil the most important part of modern football pay the ridiculous wages that many average footballers earn these days?, the athletes who many find it difficult to occasionally play 3 games in 7 days.

 

I get that E's, doesn't mean I don't find it distasteful though.

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21 minutes ago, Thatch35 said:

You lot still discussing Rover's take over, get a grip.

Yeah, we've been discussing it since Friday.  Yet gash heads have been harping on about Lansdown's input to our club SINCE 2009.  

Sometimes I just despair.................

Wakey, wakeyyyyyyy.

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54 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

I get that E's, doesn't mean I don't find it distasteful though.

I managed to watch 20 minutes of Chelski v Manc and it showed everything that is shit about modern footballers and football, a team who were crap enough to get the manager sacked suddenly remember how to play the against a team who occasionally put in enough effort over a full 90 minutes, diving, atmosphere of a morgue and as Shearer rightly pointed out Pelegrini talking out of his arse about team selection reference players being able to occasionally play 3 games in 7 days, funnily enough though the best players in the world (Roanaldo, Messi, Neymar and Suarez) manage it when called upon and in fact revel in it, all of them millionaires and one of them playing with a face like a smacked arse because having signed a newish contract he wants to play for PSG in Europe's other one horse race (after Scotland).

The only good news was at last one of these 2 clubs were forced to acknowledge that they actually have academies and play a few.

 

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This is a old thread, and the only one on Rovers where everything Rovers related gets put - that's one of the main reasons it's so large. I'd rather this than like it used to be with lots of Rovers threads clogging the front page - maybe they could just sticky it and label it "Everything Rovers Related"  so it's out of the way ?

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The accounts show the bank with profits after tax of 24m Jordanian dinars, roughly the same in pounds. That is not a lot for a bank. Our guy owns 4% . A quick Google search puts his holdings worth USD 22m. Say £16m. So not a billionaire. The bank only pays 12m in total salaries so he’s not getting wealth that way. The total net assets of the bank are 250m dinar. The estimated market value per a Google search is 300m dinar. It is a tiny bank. 

I am really struggling to see why our guy is seen as a billionaire. I am delighted he is on board. He appears passionate, he has some money but not substantial amounts.

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1 hour ago, Tomarse said:

The reason of having one thread is to keep it all 'in one thread' as opposed to seperate threads.  I'd bin it if the majority of people wanted it to go, however we might find we have 5-6 topics on them every weekend instead..

No problem fella...just thought it would be good to hide the thread a little, as it seems we are lowering ourselves to the level of the Gas by constantly discussing what they do...rather than focussing on ourselves...especially on match day...and an important game to pull away further...all good mate.

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2 hours ago, Bullbag said:

**** the gas, I couldn't give a toss.

That remark is about as far removed from what i would say on any thread about our 'esteemed' blue Bristolians! 

However, that said, I cannot help but enjoy reading what you have written. :)

I have to expand on that and say its almost John Cooper Clarke-esque in its simplicity and clarity.

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

No problem fella...just thought it would be good to hide the thread a little, as it seems we are lowering ourselves to the level of the Gas by constantly discussing what they do...rather than focussing on ourselves...especially on match day...and an important game to pull away further...all good mate.

The reason this thread is so long is because they keep giving us reasons to laugh hysterically at them!!

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

No problem fella...just thought it would be good to hide the thread a little, as it seems we are lowering ourselves to the level of the Gas by constantly discussing what they do...rather than focussing on ourselves...especially on match day...and an important game to pull away further...all good mate.

I sort of get your point and I was going to argue that this is a forum to discuss all things football, but then realised that we were talking about the Gas and my argument just fizzled away really. :) 

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The accounts show the bank with profits after tax of 24m Jordanian dinars, roughly the same in pounds. That is not a lot for a bank. Our guy owns 4% . A quick Google search puts his holdings worth USD 22m. Say £16m. So not a billionaire. The bank only pays 12m in total salaries so he’s not getting wealth that way. The total net assets of the bank are 250m dinar. The estimated market value per a Google search is 300m dinar. It is a tiny bank. 

I am really struggling to see why our guy is seen as a billionaire. I am delighted he is on board. He appears passionate, he has some money but not substantial amounts.

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5 minutes ago, Coombsy said:
 

The accounts show the bank with profits after tax of 24m Jordanian dinars, roughly the same in pounds. That is not a lot for a bank. Our guy owns 4% . A quick Google search puts his holdings worth USD 22m. Say £16m. So not a billionaire. The bank only pays 12m in total salaries so he’s not getting wealth that way. The total net assets of the bank are 250m dinar. The estimated market value per a Google search is 300m dinar. It is a tiny bank. 

I am really struggling to see why our guy is seen as a billionaire. I am delighted he is on board. He appears passionate, he has some money but not substantial amounts.

Thanks for putting me in the picture

 

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10 minutes ago, Coombsy said:
 

The accounts show the bank with profits after tax of 24m Jordanian dinars, roughly the same in pounds. That is not a lot for a bank. Our guy owns 4% . A quick Google search puts his holdings worth USD 22m. Say £16m. So not a billionaire. The bank only pays 12m in total salaries so he’s not getting wealth that way. The total net assets of the bank are 250m dinar. The estimated market value per a Google search is 300m dinar. It is a tiny bank. 

I am really struggling to see why our guy is seen as a billionaire. I am delighted he is on board. He appears passionate, he has some money but not substantial amounts.

Is this true..?

He can't even afford to cover the cost of their new stadium, IF it's accurate..? I was under the impression that he was at least a billionaire..?

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