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1 hour ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Its about time the rovers started producing youth players. A new trainig set up should surely help.

Skuse, Bryan, Reid, Golbourne, Hill, Carey, Coles, Doherty, Lita? and not to mention all the youngsters that have left for the top prem clubs over the last several years. 

Is lines and ellington the only one with Championship experience in recent years?

Dont know where the myth from rovers fans comes from that they have a better youth set up.

you have definitely had a better youth set-up. Hell we are only just getting a training ground of our own, but I would say that we had Scott Sinclair. More recently Donovan Wilson was taken by Wolves, Matt Macey by Arsenal.


We have at least produced a few good enough for the team we have had in recent years in Tom Lockyer, Ollie Clarke and Ellis Harrison

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9 minutes ago, Hello said:

you have definitely had a better youth set-up. Hell we are only just getting a training ground of our own, but I would say that we had Scott Sinclair. More recently Donovan Wilson was taken by Wolves, Matt Macey by Arsenal.


We have at least produced a few good enough for the team we have had in recent years in Tom Lockyer, Ollie Clarke and Ellis Harrison

Rovers hasn't had a set up to be attractive to a kid who was "neutral" about who he played for since City got Academy status back around 98. Even when Citys Academy was really really badly run the lure of playing Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs as a ten year old or Exeter, Oxford or Swindon plus a limited budget forcing you to operate with small squads meant producing young talent was always going to be difficult.

Cannot abide Rovers but just adding my two pennorth for balance.

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Waiting to be shot down on this but, do they own it? We know BRFC don't. 

Their initial statement said that Dwayne Sports had acquired the site, If I'd bought it, I'd say "bought it". I think they might have bought a lease of the site from the owners, which might be linked to the dodgy deal for the Memorial ground when, certain rugby directors were palmed off with land out by Filton, given away in return for an easy transition to joint ownership (sold down the river) of the Memorial ground.

The rugby club acquired planning permission for the use of their combination team, but didn't have the funds to see the project through.

"The site for Bristol Rovers' proposed new training ground has been revealed in planning documents that have been published online.

Chairman Steve Hamer revealed last week that 29 acres of land in an unnamed location had been identified and a South Gloucestershire planning application has now confirmed that Colony Farm in Hortham Lane, Almondsbury is the site Rovers are proposing to develop new training facilities on.


In the document, which was submitted on August 31, Rovers are named as the applicant and are seeking the green light to carry through to completion on a historical planning application that was approved for the 'erection of clubhouse, floodlights and store.' The plan also includes 'construction of vehicular and pedestrian access and car park'.

Planning permission for a similar use of the site was granted in 2001 but the development of training facilities by Bristol Combination Trustees – the original applicant – was never completed and the land, which currently has marked out football pitches, has since been used to house local amateur football clubs.


The site in Hortham Lane where the new training ground is planned

The club's decision to see the project through to completion depends on the removal of two conditions that were attached to the original planning permission that prohibited use of the facilities before 6pm during school term time.

They have also submitted justification for the removal of a condition that limits use of the site only to the previous applicant for non-professional and Under 18s matches unless a written request for consent is submitted to the council.


The plans are believed to include the construction of facilities that would initially meet Category 3 Academy status with the possibility of applying for upgrade to Category 2 status in the longer-term.

Rovers' first team has been a tenant at the Lawns - a 15-acre site that was previously owned by AXA – in Henbury since 2012, while the youth and academy sides are housed some 3 miles away at the Golden Hill Training Centre in Horfield.

The lease on that site expires in March and the club is keen to house their first-team and all of their age-group sides under the same roof at the proposed new training facility".
   

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7 minutes ago, Rich said:


The club's decision to see the project through to completion depends on the removal of two conditions that were attached to the original planning permission that prohibited use of the facilities before 6pm during school term time.

They have also submitted justification for the removal of a condition that limits use of the site only to the previous applicant for non-professional and Under 18s matches unless a written request for consent is submitted to the council.



The plans are believed to include the construction of facilities that would initially meet Category 3 Academy status with the possibility of applying for upgrade to Category 2 status in the longer-term.

Rovers' first team has been a tenant at the Lawns - a 15-acre site that was previously owned by AXA – in Henbury since 2012, while the youth and academy sides are housed some 3 miles away at the Golden Hill Training Centre in Horfield.

The lease on that site expires in March and the club is keen to house their first-team and all of their age-group sides under the same roof at the proposed new training facility".
   

The first part I have highlighted looks like another chance for them to show how hard done by they are when the planning applications get turned down. 

The second part means that we can take our pick of any decent talent they identify until they can afford and are granted cat 2 status :) 

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23 minutes ago, Rich said:

Waiting to be shot down on this but, do they own it? We know BRFC don't. 

Their initial statement said that Dwayne Sports had acquired the site, If I'd bought it, I'd say "bought it". I think they might have bought a lease of the site from the owners, which might be linked to the dodgy deal for the Memorial ground when, certain rugby directors were palmed off with land out by Filton, given away in return for an easy transition to joint ownership (sold down the river) of the Memorial ground.

The rugby club acquired planning permission for the use of their combination team, but didn't have the funds to see the project through.

"The site for Bristol Rovers' proposed new training ground has been revealed in planning documents that have been published online.

Chairman Steve Hamer revealed last week that 29 acres of land in an unnamed location had been identified and a South Gloucestershire planning application has now confirmed that Colony Farm in Hortham Lane, Almondsbury is the site Rovers are proposing to develop new training facilities on.


In the document, which was submitted on August 31, Rovers are named as the applicant and are seeking the green light to carry through to completion on a historical planning application that was approved for the 'erection of clubhouse, floodlights and store.' The plan also includes 'construction of vehicular and pedestrian access and car park'.

Planning permission for a similar use of the site was granted in 2001 but the development of training facilities by Bristol Combination Trustees – the original applicant – was never completed and the land, which currently has marked out football pitches, has since been used to house local amateur football clubs.


The site in Hortham Lane where the new training ground is planned

The club's decision to see the project through to completion depends on the removal of two conditions that were attached to the original planning permission that prohibited use of the facilities before 6pm during school term time.

They have also submitted justification for the removal of a condition that limits use of the site only to the previous applicant for non-professional and Under 18s matches unless a written request for consent is submitted to the council.


The plans are believed to include the construction of facilities that would initially meet Category 3 Academy status with the possibility of applying for upgrade to Category 2 status in the longer-term.

Rovers' first team has been a tenant at the Lawns - a 15-acre site that was previously owned by AXA – in Henbury since 2012, while the youth and academy sides are housed some 3 miles away at the Golden Hill Training Centre in Horfield.

The lease on that site expires in March and the club is keen to house their first-team and all of their age-group sides under the same roof at the proposed new training facility".
   

I'll give you the purchase of a lease for the site although I guess it would be a significant length of time and not 5 years

 

but are you lot still peddling the Memorial Stadium nonsense? Rugby club were going bust, were going to sell Mem to Amtrak for £2.3m, BRFC paid £2.3m for 50% of the ground. We had the bank loan to prove it

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32 minutes ago, Hello said:

I'll give you the purchase of a lease for the site although I guess it would be a significant length of time and not 5 years

 

but are you lot still peddling the Memorial Stadium nonsense? Rugby club were going bust, were going to sell Mem to Amtrak for £2.3m, BRFC paid £2.3m for 50% of the ground. We had the bank loan to prove it

It's not nonsense it's true, you evicted a local sports club from their historical home

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52 minutes ago, Hello said:

I'll give you the purchase of a lease for the site although I guess it would be a significant length of time and not 5 years

 

but are you lot still peddling the Memorial Stadium nonsense? Rugby club were going bust, were going to sell Mem to Amtrak for £2.3m, BRFC paid £2.3m for 50% of the ground. We had the bank loan to prove it

And how much for the other 50%..?!

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25 minutes ago, Hello said:

as opposed to them selling it to a distribution company and moving to Clifton RFC for example

I spoke to someone who had supported Bristol for decades .He had no ties to City or your lot but knew what had been going on when your lot bought the stadium. He told me that all memorabilia of Bristol RFC had been chucked into a skip even while they were still playing there and nobody would ever know that it was a rugby stadium, they were also made to feel unwelcome in their own home. Your excuse of a club has a history of being underhand and lacking class .  

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2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

The first part I have highlighted looks like another chance for them to show how hard done by they are when the planning applications get turned down. 

The second part means that we can take our pick of any decent talent they identify until they can afford and are granted cat 2 status :) 

The amendments to the conditions on the planning permission have already been granted, which is why they went ahead with the acquisition of the site.

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3 hours ago, Rich said:

Waiting to be shot down on this but, do they own it? We know BRFC don't. 

Their initial statement said that Dwayne Sports had acquired the site, If I'd bought it, I'd say "bought it". I think they might have bought a lease of the site from the owners, which might be linked to the dodgy deal for the Memorial ground when, certain rugby directors were palmed off with land out by Filton, given away in return for an easy transition to joint ownership (sold down the river) of the Memorial ground.

The rugby club acquired planning permission for the use of their combination team, but didn't have the funds to see the project through.
 

While you or I would probably say 'bought', if we were buying a house, it is very common for the term 'acquired' to be used in the commercial sector. I don't think any inference on freehold or leasehold can be drawn from it.

The rugby club used to own the combination ground at the end of the Filton runway, now the Horizon 38 site. When they sold it for development, part of the deal was to provide replacement pitches - the Colony Farm site. The combination ground was sold by the rugby club, as part of their efforts to deal with the enormous losses produced by the botched transfer to professionalism.

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2 hours ago, Hello said:

I'll give you the purchase of a lease for the site although I guess it would be a significant length of time and not 5 years

 

but are you lot still peddling the Memorial Stadium nonsense? Rugby club were going bust, were going to sell Mem to Amtrak for £2.3m, BRFC paid £2.3m for 50% of the ground. We had the bank loan to prove it

The Bristol Rugby owner was a lifelong Rovers supporter who just happened to put the club into administration, enabling Rovers to buy the other 50% for £10k. No attempt was made to find any other backers to avoid administration.  This has been covered many times on the forum, but is always ignored by those of a gas persuasion 

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11 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Is that right? Is the piece that Rich quoted out of date then?

Yes, it dates from Rovers announcing their preferred site - before South Glos agreed the changes. A training ground where you weren't allowed to use it before 6pm during school terms, wouldn't be much use to any professional football club.

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11 minutes ago, weeble said:

Yes, it dates from Rovers announcing their preferred site - before South Glos agreed the changes. A training ground where you weren't allowed to use it before 6pm during school terms, wouldn't be much use to any professional football club.

OK :whistle:

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15 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

The Bristol Rugby owner was a lifelong Rovers supporter who just happened to put the club into administration, enabling Rovers to buy the other 50% for £10k. No attempt was made to find any other backers to avoid administration.  This has been covered many times on the forum, but is always ignored by those of a gas persuasion 

And we still didnt steal anything

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14 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

The Bristol Rugby owner was a lifelong Rovers supporter who just happened to put the club into administration, enabling Rovers to buy the other 50% for £10k. No attempt was made to find any other backers to avoid administration.  This has been covered many times on the forum, but is always ignored by those of a gas persuasion 

A 'life long' supporter who hadn't noticed that Rovers had been forced to leave the city for Bath, and only remembered when the rugby club were desperate for more income in 1996?

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4 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

I spoke to someone who had supported Bristol for decades .He had no ties to City or your lot but knew what had been going on when your lot bought the stadium. He told me that all memorabilia of Bristol RFC had been chucked into a skip even while they were still playing there and nobody would ever know that it was a rugby stadium, they were also made to feel unwelcome in their own home. Your excuse of a club has a history of being underhand and lacking class .  

That is truly shocking, if true.

It goes a long way to explaining why they moved to Ashton Gate as soon as possible, sixteen years later.

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3 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Is that right? Is the piece that Rich quoted out of date then?

The piece I quoted was to give a little background to the current statements. Also to show the connection with the rugby club ownership.

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6 hours ago, Hello said:

I'll give you the purchase of a lease for the site although I guess it would be a significant length of time and not 5 years

 

but are you lot still peddling the Memorial Stadium nonsense? Rugby club were going bust, were going to sell Mem to Amtrak for £2.3m, BRFC paid £2.3m for 50% of the ground. We had the bank loan to prove it

So the rugby club chairman and BRFC supporter (Arthur Holmes) threatened to sell the Memorial ground to Amtrak for £2.3m (the figure he was owed by the rugby club), until he came up with the better plan of selling 50% of it to BRFC (Dunford), for the same figure of £2.3m (the amount he was owed). There was a condition that, if either of the clubs went bankrupt, the other club could buy the remaining 50% for £10,000. Yippee! BRFC come to the rescue of the rugby club, they'll be joint owners of the stadium company, and the rugby club will be forever grateful.

Now then, the rugby club, which he was chairman of, was losing money at an alarming rate, didn't receive any of the proceeds of the 50% sale, because it paid Arthur Holmes back. So they were still losing money, had no income from the sale and after five months, Arthur Holmes (rugby club chairman and BRFC supporter) filed for bankruptcy of the rugby club. BRFC (Dunford) bought the remaining 50% for £10,000, not bad business. Dunford was happy, Holmes was happy, rugby club directors were happy, after a piece of land was shared out, but, the rugby club weren't happy. 

In the obituary that Dunford wrote about Arthur Holmes, he used two thirds of it to explain the deal for the Memorial stadium, why?

Oh yes, Arthur Holmes was made a lifelong President of BRFC, for his services to the club. 

No BRFC didn't steal the Memorial ground, their chairman and friends at the rugby club saved the ground for the future of both clubs. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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1 hour ago, Smaller than a flea said:

That is truly shocking, if true.

It goes a long way to explaining why they moved to Ashton Gate as soon as possible, sixteen years later.

Fifteen years and seven months after paying their first rent to BRFC for use of the rugby ground. I suppose they could have moved to Bath, complaining that Bristol never helped them in their search for a new ground.

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9 hours ago, Rich said:

So the rugby club chairman and BRFC supporter (Arthur Holmes) threatened to sell the Memorial ground to Amtrak for £2.3m (the figure he was owed by the rugby club), until he came up with the better plan of selling 50% of it to BRFC (Dunford), for the same figure of £2.3m (the amount he was owed). There was a condition that, if either of the clubs went bankrupt, the other club could buy the remaining 50% for £10,000. Yippee! BRFC come to the rescue of the rugby club, they'll be joint owners of the stadium company, and the rugby club will be forever grateful.

Now then, the rugby club, which he was chairman of, was losing money at an alarming rate, didn't receive any of the proceeds of the 50% sale, because it paid Arthur Holmes back. So they were still losing money, had no income from the sale and after five months, Arthur Holmes (rugby club chairman and BRFC supporter) filed for bankruptcy of the rugby club. BRFC (Dunford) bought the remaining 50% for £10,000, not bad business. Dunford was happy, Holmes was happy, rugby club directors were happy, after a piece of land was shared out, but, the rugby club weren't happy. 

In the obituary that Dunford wrote about Arthur Holmes, he used two thirds of it to explain the deal for the Memorial stadium, why?

Oh yes, Arthur Holmes was made a lifelong President of BRFC, for his services to the club. 

No BRFC didn't steal the Memorial ground, their chairman and friends at the rugby club saved the ground for the future of both clubs. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I am not going to say it wasn't a convenient deal or that we got a good deal (we still paid the same amount for half the ground as it was going to be sold for, so not peanuts)

 

We were already tenants, surely it made sense to offer the ground to the other club that played there and secure the ground for both teams as opposed to selling anything/everything to someone else who may have had other ideas. Whether Arthur Holmes took the money and ran to Timbuktu isn't/wasn't our problem

 

As for any 'Honorary Title' he may have been given by Rovers, people get given them for all sorts. Hell Barry Bradshaw is now a life Vice president because he served on the board and I don't know many that say great things about Boycie

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35 minutes ago, Hello said:

I am not going to say it wasn't a convenient deal or that we got a good deal (we still paid the same amount for half the ground as it was going to be sold for, so not peanuts)

 

We were already tenants, surely it made sense to offer the ground to the other club that played there and secure the ground for both teams as opposed to selling anything/everything to someone else who may have had other ideas. Whether Arthur Holmes took the money and ran to Timbuktu isn't/wasn't our problem

 

As for any 'Honorary Title' he may have been given by Rovers, people get given them for all sorts. Hell Barry Bradshaw is now a life Vice president because he served on the board and I don't know many that say great things about Boycie

Ah, so a 'convenient deal' that involves a bit of insider knowledge is a good thing when it benefits MoronFC but a legitimate deal where insider knowledge may have been disclosed by one of the parties to the cintract is cause to gomwhining to the FA?

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1 hour ago, Bianconeri said:

Ah, so a 'convenient deal' that involves a bit of insider knowledge is a good thing when it benefits MoronFC but a legitimate deal where insider knowledge may have been disclosed by one of the parties to the cintract is cause to gomwhining to the FA?

classic example of #gaslogic

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1 hour ago, Bianconeri said:

Ah, so a 'convenient deal' that involves a bit of insider knowledge is a good thing when it benefits MoronFC but a legitimate deal where insider knowledge may have been disclosed by one of the parties to the cintract is cause to gomwhining to the FA?

and again, I have said City have done nothing wrong regarding Taylor. They just made use of knowledge. Is Rovers 'complaint' actually against City or asking how City came about the knowledge. Two different things

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1 minute ago, Hello said:

and again, I have said City have done nothing wrong regarding Taylor. They just made use of knowledge. Is Rovers 'complaint' actually against City or asking how City came about the knowledge. Two different things

stop biting on the subject Hello, you're one of the decent few but you're doing yourself no favors with this

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35 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

stop biting on the subject Hello, you're one of the decent few but you're doing yourself no favors with this

Have to say it is refreshing to have decent replies from a Rovers fan not just back biting at everything

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44 minutes ago, phantom said:

Have to say it is refreshing to have decent replies from a Rovers fan not just back biting at everything

Yes, it was good to see Fordingbridge Pirate on here the other day, haven't seen @In the Net recently? Sensible debate is so much more interesting that the constant "he said, she said" stuff.

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1 hour ago, Hello said:

and again, I have said City have done nothing wrong regarding Taylor. They just made use of knowledge. Is Rovers 'complaint' actually against City or asking how City came about the knowledge. Two different things

Not pointing the finger at you at all sport, it's good to have a sag who doesn't resort to tribal rhetoric. If I was in the blue camp I'd be worried about the consequences of who disclosed Taylor's contract either by telling us or putting it in the public domain IF it happened. That's why they'll not formalise any complaint.

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3 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Yeah :rofl2br:a gas legend!

I didn't actually find his posts that bad, he seemed like an alright guy and knew more than most of the Gas that used to post on here.

What I found funny was he'd reply to everyone individually so he could hugely increase the replies in this thread, and then quote the post count and tell us we care about Rovers too much.

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21 hours ago, Rich said:

So the rugby club chairman and BRFC supporter (Arthur Holmes) threatened to sell the Memorial ground to Amtrak for £2.3m (the figure he was owed by the rugby club), until he came up with the better plan of selling 50% of it to BRFC (Dunford), for the same figure of £2.3m (the amount he was owed). There was a condition that, if either of the clubs went bankrupt, the other club could buy the remaining 50% for £10,000. Yippee! BRFC come to the rescue of the rugby club, they'll be joint owners of the stadium company, and the rugby club will be forever grateful.

What evidence is there for Arthur Holmes being a Rovers supporter? He was a lifelong Bristol Rugby supporter. In 1986 with Rovers close to financial collapse, they had to leave for Bath, despite the ruby ground being just a mile up the road from Eastville. Rovers only got offered the opportunity to be tenants at the Memorial Ground in 1996 when the rugby club were desperate for more income. Strange behaviour for an apparently keen Rovers supporter.

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1 hour ago, weeble said:

What evidence is there for Arthur Holmes being a Rovers supporter? He was a lifelong Bristol Rugby supporter. In 1986 with Rovers close to financial collapse, they had to leave for Bath, despite the ruby ground being just a mile up the road from Eastville. Rovers only got offered the opportunity to be tenants at the Memorial Ground in 1996 when the rugby club were desperate for more income. Strange behaviour for an apparently keen Rovers supporter.

Perhaps (and I haven't got a clue) he wasn't chairman then?

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I believe William cowling was a big player to set up the mem..paper work was drawn up by him to say if rugby club got in money trouble it would be offered to rugby governing body or to bristol council to maintain it as a memorial to the rugby lost players....now let's think Mr higgs was in charge of cowling when they stole the men . and they were main sponsors but some how this document was lost??????

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