miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Hi guys! Firstly, id ignore that above twitter account, it's the single biggest piece of nonsense since us getting a stadium. Secondly, I've got to be honest I'm quite pleased we aren't moving to UWE. It's definitely another thing for you to take the piss out of, granted, and the non match day revenue is of course needed if we ever really want to push on. That being said, I'm not sure I like the idea of a half full atmosphere void bowl with absolutely nothing good around it for before and after the game. I've been of the idea for a long time it wouldn't happen so nothing has changed in that respect for me. I can't really imagine anything substantial happening for a while. As for the rest of stuff with the Al Qadis pulling out, who knows? Even from day one i didn't believe in the billionaire hype, there are those that don't believe everything they read, that being said I do think he's improved some stuff off the pitch. If he leaves, we'll he was skint anyway. Honestly, nothing will ever really surprise my with this club. 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, miagsygas said: Hi guys! Firstly, id ignore that above twitter account, it's the single biggest piece of nonsense since us getting a stadium. Secondly, I've got to be honest I'm quite pleased we aren't moving to UWE. It's definitely another thing for you to take the piss out of, granted, and the non match day revenue is of course needed if we ever really want to push on. That being said, I'm not sure I like the idea of a half full atmosphere void bowl with absolutely nothing good around it for before and after the game. I've been of the idea for a long time it wouldn't happen so nothing has changed in that respect for me. I can't really imagine anything substantial happening for a while. As for the rest of stuff with the Al Qadis pulling out, who knows? Even from day one i didn't believe in the billionaire hype, there are those that don't believe everything they read, that being said I do think he's improved some stuff off the pitch. If he leaves, we'll he was skint anyway. Honestly, nothing will ever really surprise my with this club. What has he improved, off the pitch, that doesn't still leave you lagging behind almost every other club in the country..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, Bar BS3 said: What has he improved, off the pitch, that doesn't still leave you lagging behind almost every other club in the country..? The carpet & the curtains apparently?? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Cardy said: Sounds like they are lining their ducks up legally to me. Can they they sue for some sort of breached contract - if nothing else but to recover their costs? No, the contract was absolutely watertight 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Why would there have been a "bidding war" when he had a £300k buy out clause in his contract?! Idiot! You would never have got more than £300k, then it would have been the best offer made to MT. The agent had leaked the clause after DC's statement. Obviously the hope was for other clubs not to realise there was a clause and bid over that price. They were caught between a rock and a hard place and tried to make the best out of the situation. It didn't work. But he's hardly going to announce after being asked if he was worried about losing Taylor that every club can have their pick for £300,000. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Why would there have been a "bidding war" when he had a £300k buy out clause in his contract?! Idiot! You would never have got more than £300k, then it would have been the best offer made to MT. He seems a reasonable poster in fairness. Bit harsh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, miagsygas said: The agent had leaked the clause after DC's statement. Obviously the hope was for other clubs not to realise there was a clause and bid over that price. They were caught between a rock and a hard place and tried to make the best out of the situation. It didn't work. But he's hardly going to announce after being asked if he was worried about losing Taylor that every club can have their pick for £300,000. Gullible as ever! it was in the national press, months before we bid. It was no big secret! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 A lot of Rovers fans saying the UWE deal wasnt the best for the club anyway. I think they'll struggle to find a better deal to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, Super said: He seems a reasonable poster in fairness. Bit harsh. He's as gullible and deluded as the rest of them! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: What has he improved, off the pitch, that doesn't still leave you lagging behind almost every other club in the country..? We now have a development squad, which was completely nonexistent before. We have legitimate investment into the youth system, there are far, far more staff in and around the club. There is now actually a medical team, rather than just one person who runs on with a wet sponge, including the fitness staff and equipment that we never had before, the gps trackers etc. Whilst, as DC said, we are actually still behind where we should be, we genuinely were behind every club in at least league 1 level in infrastructure. Though these things may sound stupid, because they are things that should have happened anyways and do happen for clubs that actually have resources, these are things that I'm 99.9% sure wouldn't have happened under old Higgsy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Are they building it with Lego? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthered Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, glynriley said: If Carlsberg did Thursdays........... From their point of view it's best to get your bad news out in one day. No stadium today no manager tomorrow means two days of bad news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, View from the Dolman said: Are they building it with Lego? So he has activated an exit clause even though nobody wants him?! ok then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, View from the Dolman said: Are they building it with Lego? I can honestly say this account somehow manages to surpass the "Keith chimp" account for baseless nonsense 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, miagsygas said: We now have a development squad, which was completely nonexistent before. We have legitimate investment into the youth system, there are far, far more staff in and around the club. There is now actually a medical team, rather than just one person who runs on with a wet sponge, including the fitness staff and equipment that we never had before, the gps trackers etc. Whilst, as DC said, we are actually still behind where we should be, we genuinely were behind every club in at least league 1 level in infrastructure. Though these things may sound stupid, because they are things that should have happened anyways and do happen for clubs that actually have resources, these are things that I'm 99.9% sure wouldn't have happened under old Higgsy. As I said, improvements that aren't the bare minimum standard required by a football club. You can see why we find such humour in the well loved phrase "we're coming for you"..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Super said: So he has activated an exit clause even though nobody wants him?! ok then! I very much doubt he wont be of interest to a host of clubs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, kevthered said: From their point of view it's best to get your bad news out in one day. No stadium today no manager tomorrow means two days of bad news But usually, to gloss over bad news, they release plans of a new stadium project..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 22 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Surely even he has more class than to walk out on them today..! I think he's shown a lot of loyalty and let's be fair, worked miracles. If he's been duped into the 5 year contract then I don't think he owes them a single thing . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 My very shitty "claim to fame" is that I was a part of the UWE consultation regarding the revelopment of the new campus. I filled in a basic questionnaire and attended one of the planning meetings, with the following suggestions: Rebuild the Computer Science faculty. Of course, because it would mean improving the academic side over making money, that's not happened. Buy Franchay Hospital, run it as a university hospital by setting up a Medicine degree, and stop it from closing. This one pisses me off the most, as Frenchay was one of Europe's leading hospitals for neurosurgery, and when it closed a lot of the doctors involved dispersed around the country. Again, UWE didn't go for this. Build a stadium. UWE had a shitload of land, and although the sports stuff was all new when I started it was still a bit pokey. No other UK university has a stadium, and by building one you build a sports infrastructure. My last point was brought up in the planning meeting, and I was surprised to hear of the deal between UWE and Bristol Rovers. With that being said, I would've been happy for them to go ahead with it, because Bristol is a ******* shambles when it comes to getting anything built. Both teams have now failed to do something as simple as build a stadium on already-approved land, something that even London can do without a hitch. In many ways, I want to laugh at Rovers' misfortune, but it really doesn't surprise me. You can't build shit in Bristol, another sports team struggles, UWE would rather build accommodation/hotels on their land instead of improving the university for its students, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: He's as gullible and deluded as the rest of them! Look, I'm just having a reasonable conversation with you. I'll assure you I'm far from deluded. As for the "national press", the rumour actually started from twitter and then got picked up in some rumour press sections, it was hardly concrete sources. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, miagsygas said: I can honestly say this account somehow manages to surpass the "Keith chimp" account for baseless nonsense It was the first source I saw on twitter last night which helped in forcing the 11pm statement from Dwane Sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, miagsygas said: Look, I'm just having a reasonable conversation with you. I'll assure you I'm far from deluded. As for the "national press", the rumour actually started from twitter and then got picked up in some rumour press sections, it was hardly concrete sources. It was correct, wasn't it..? That's a pretty good source, wouldn't you say..?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, miagsygas said: Hi guys! Firstly, id ignore that above twitter account, it's the single biggest piece of nonsense since us getting a stadium. Secondly, I've got to be honest I'm quite pleased we aren't moving to UWE. It's definitely another thing for you to take the piss out of, granted, and the non match day revenue is of course needed if we ever really want to push on. That being said, I'm not sure I like the idea of a half full atmosphere void bowl with absolutely nothing good around it for before and after the game. I've been of the idea for a long time it wouldn't happen so nothing has changed in that respect for me. I can't really imagine anything substantial happening for a while. As for the rest of stuff with the Al Qadis pulling out, who knows? Even from day one i didn't believe in the billionaire hype, there are those that don't believe everything they read, that being said I do think he's improved some stuff off the pitch. If he leaves, we'll he was skint anyway. Honestly, nothing will ever really surprise my with this club. UWE still wants it happen. They wanted a leasehold deal, Rovers freehold. Rovers admitted they do not have the funds in place to fianance the new build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: As I said, improvements that aren't the bare minimum standard required by a football club. You can see why we find such humour in the well loved phrase "we're coming for you"..! And as I said, improvements that weren't happening under previous ownership. Hence why I've been more happy with Al Qadi then Higgs. Honestly, I didn't even think the stadium would have happened if Higgs stayed, he was flailing after Sainsbury's and that's why he got out. I said this yesterday. As for the "we're coming for you" statement, you'll have to excuse what some football fans say, we're light years different in terms of infrastructure and I've also said that before, unfortunately, it seems to be idiot supporters who are the loudest when the more sensible get drowned out. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 hour ago, hoxton casual said: Please don't pander to the 1982 taunt. It was an administrtive action. We remained Bristol City and are a club with a long and proud history. Great post, I hate it when people say things like "for a club formed in 82 we've won more than the Gas blah blah"....we're Bristol City from Ashton Gate, same as we've always been. A proud club, over a century of league football under our belts, playing in our spiritual home with a proper history and identity. Anyway, I'll just leave this here... 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, RumRed said: It was the first source I saw on twitter last night which helped in forcing the 11pm statement from Dwane Sports. The first source was Chris Brown, the author of the book "Bovver" who posted it on a Bristol Rovers Facebook group. To which other accounts, such as the twitter ones mentioned, dived on as quickly as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 10 hours ago, slartibartfast said: YOU will go on supporting them like you always have! (not sure how long that will be though) Yeah - as long as there's a (tent) roof over my head, I'll be there! 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhead Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, miagsygas said: I can honestly say this account somehow manages to surpass the "Keith chimp" account for baseless nonsense The Keith chimp twitter is usually spot on tbf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: Anyway, I'll just leave this here... They don't want the UWE stadium and are grateful not to be moving, though......? They were even singing it en mass at AG four years ago.......... Edited August 3, 2017 by WTFiGO!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: It was correct, wasn't it..? That's a pretty good source, wouldn't you say..?! Correct, but I've not known many football clubs ready a bid due to the gossip columns of newspapers. It was the cover in the old agent long game, leak information to press, mention to clubs that player has a release clause, refer to leaked information as way purchasing club knew about release clause. Happens all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 28 minutes ago, miagsygas said: Hi guys! Firstly, id ignore that above twitter account, it's the single biggest piece of nonsense since us getting a stadium. Secondly, I've got to be honest I'm quite pleased we aren't moving to UWE. It's definitely another thing for you to take the piss out of, granted, and the non match day revenue is of course needed if we ever really want to push on. That being said, I'm not sure I like the idea of a half full atmosphere void bowl with absolutely nothing good around it for before and after the game. I've been of the idea for a long time it wouldn't happen so nothing has changed in that respect for me. I can't really imagine anything substantial happening for a while. It's amazing how many gas have come to this conclusion in the last 12 hours isn't it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, redhead said: The Keith chimp twitter is usually spot on tbf Good god no. He just deletes what he gets wrong. Last season he mentioned that we were signing Tammy Abraham 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, miagsygas said: The first source was Chris Brown, the author of the book "Bovver" who posted it on a Bristol Rovers Facebook group. To which other accounts, such as the twitter ones mentioned, dived on as quickly as possible. Was it not also Chris Brown that stated Hami has not transferred money to run the club and there are currently outstanding bills from March with Solicitors letters being served? Whats the deal with the £10m revolving credit secured on the mem by Dwane Sports showing as a loan to Bristol Rovers? Where's that money gone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Again, it's something I've said numerous times. You can believe that or not but I've been pretty honest on here. There will be others who bullshit and others who are genuinely gutted, no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: Are they building it with Lego? Rotherhams ground, all be it new build , cost £20 5 years ago. £8m sound like a new terrace. Anyway , for anyone who is staying to feel sorry for them, or a little sad. I make no apologies for reposting this, taken from Twitter, brought a smile to my Thursday. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miagsygas Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, RumRed said: Was it not also Chris Brown that stated Hami has not transferred money to run the club and there are currently outstanding bills from March with Solicitors letters being served? Whats the deal with the £10m revolving credit secured on the mem by Dwane Sports showing as a loan to Bristol Rovers? Where's that money gone? Your guess is genuinely as good as mine. We could be up a certain creek without a paddle, who knows? Again, something we were potentially up with Mr Higgs also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, miagsygas said: Correct, but I've not known many football clubs ready a bid due to the gossip columns of newspapers. It was the cover in the old agent long game, leak information to press, mention to clubs that player has a release clause, refer to leaked information as way purchasing club knew about release clause. Happens all the time. Either way, the info was correct, nobody's starting bid would have been over £300k, to test that info, and Rovers would have had to accept that bid. It was never going to be a "bidding war" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 UWE bloke on radio Bristol now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Simpson Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 On radio bristol now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: They will find it easier to borrow £90million for an asset, than £30million without an asset. Only if they have collateral to justify the loan. How much is the Mem site worth ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Simpson Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, miagsygas said: Your guess is genuinely as good as mine. We could be up a certain creek without a paddle, who knows? Again, something we were potentially up with Mr Higgs also. That is true, however I'm starting to believe that Higgs played a blinder on his sales pitch to Wael. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 UWE saying they have no idea why Rovers have walked away?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 So if DC walks , does that mean that they're be saying he was a shit manager and they can get better? Like they're saying about UWE and never wanting to move there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Loon plage said: Only if they have collateral to justify the loan. How much is the Mem site worth ? It has 10million secured against it already, so you can knock that off its value straight away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, Loon plage said: Only if they have collateral to justify the loan. How much is the Mem site worth ? After the debt that's reportedly secured on it is taken into account..? A couple of million, tops, I should think! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Super said: UWE saying they have no idea why Rovers have walked away?! Can someone please explain to UWE that they have no money! I'd like to build a stadium on their land too. I can't because I don't have any money either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 UWE seem to be setting fire to the Rovers' hierarchy in prep for legal proceedings. Seems to suggest that the rest of Chris Brown's info may also be correct, the Al Qadi money appears to know longer be forthcoming whatever deal is placed on the table? Above is guesswork but makes some sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Announcement re No new Stadium and rumour about DC linked ? Release Clause in his contract dependent on new ground ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TwoSheds Posted August 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2017 So it was all a pipedream (pic attached) Listening to Radio Bristol this morning one fan came out with "Lansdown were coming for you" Also another talking and I heard the word "Scrounge" so no plan B just try and get some thing for free maybe. Dopey has a get out clause so first club that comes in for him he will walk. COYR looking forward to Saturday. 2 1 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 hours ago, RedM said: Can someone please explain what this charge is against the Mem that is in place, I missed the news about this and don't understand. I'm going to be with a load of Gasheads on Sat Eve and all day Sunday and I want to get my facts rights to give the pot a stir, so I'll be looking at this thread for input. Legal charges are a method of securing debts. In other words Wael is worried that should it all go pear shaped (if it hasn't already) he will not lose the money used to pay off Nick Higgs and other directors plus the Wonga loan. Should the Minimal Stadium be sold, he will be guaranteed to receive the money - approx £9m for Nick Higgs & and directors plus approx £3m Wonga. After he has received his £14m the other creditors will get their money and if there is then anything left it could go to the club. So, Rovers might be left with, say, a couple of hundred pounds to enable them to build a new ground. Placing is charge is hardly the action of a billionaire who has long term grandiose plans for the club. It's the actions of a man who realises he's out of his depth in the world of football and finance and wants to get out. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) On 02/08/2017 at 08:00, Cheesleysmate said: 1982 and Dean Windass, oh and sometimes 2nd May. The Sags only comebacks in their tank and none of those stand up anymore. 1982.......2014, Colin Daniel, Rovers RELEGATED to NON LEAGUE. 35 years in the football league versus just 2...2!!!! 1982 is like water off a ducks back. Most of the Sags who spout about 1982 weren't even born because it was so far back. We even CELEBRATE 1982, we have Section 82, we honour the Ashton Gate 8 of 1982....When will you deluded Sags realise that 1982 has zero effect on the entire Bristol City fan base you absolute bunch of pikey tools? Dean Windass - So City missed out on Premiership football - I seem to recall at the time all Sags almost being physically sick at the prospect that a team only formed in 1982 might actually reach the promised land. Every City fan knew how fortune had helped us to even get in that position in the first place. We won an awful lot of games in added time by throwing caution to the wind and piling players forward. It was hardly talking about the playoffs for an entire season whilst your team slid towards total oblivion was it? I think Colin Daniel trumps Dean Windass by an absolute country mile!!!!! 2nd May - You celebrate this day, yet in 2001 your nemesis Wycombe Wanderers sent you to the basement for the first time in your history. The 3rd of May is even more hilarious. Where is your comeback on that one? #Nocomebacksleftintheirlockerhencethereasontocontunuethisthreaduntiltheyfindone Was a brilliant season capped by the chance of getting to the Premiership with a playoff final in front of 30k people - amazed that they think this is something to use as a dig at the club, it's still one of our best seasons with AG absolutely rocking. On 02/08/2017 at 08:07, Cheesleysmate said: When will the Sags realise that the Al-Qadi family bought a football club haemorrhaging money purely to offset their taxes? They have hardly been breaking the bank with their spending have they? I did warn my Sag friends who immediately started with the 6th richest club in England bollocks and throwing Wally on their shoulders celebrating down Gloucester Road to wait for the cheque book to come out before hailing the messiah? But as usual the Sags prematurely ejaculated as they do with everything. Tick rock....No ground....No big spending.....No future.....Tinpot club. It's sad, they make digs out of us for this thread, but near the beginning are several pages where we did research into Wael when he took over. Rovers fans and the media were calling him a billionaire, spending his money on stadium and players, saying they were one of the richest clubs in the country. On our site we had within a couple of days put their wealth at around £70 million (and that is total assets not cash / funds available) and said little would change and at worse it could be a land grab for the mem. Whilst we did this Gas forums were giving each other a collective blow job and saying how jealous we were - maybe if they were half as inquisitive as us and not afraid of speaking out against the Gas dreamland fallacy they all live in, things would not be such a shock to them. Sadly their forum is just a la la land echo chamber, dissention against the narrative = bans. Maybe their mods and posters could learn from all this.... 12 hours ago, Septic Peg said: Oh if only there was a local billionaire that could go in and buy the club and rescue them, only to send the best of the staff and team to BS3 and then demolish the site (apart from the gates) and build a badminton court/basketball arena... Oh if only... I would rather he built a multi use indoor athletics arena at UWE this area has nothing like it for miles. Local Gymnast have to goto Plymouth to train. We could not host a athletics meet, or indoor tennis open / competition the area just sucks for facilities. 2 hours ago, RedM said: Yes, I know but as I said they will still think it's a goer. As you said they had it on a plate but still failed. Looks totally amateur and tinpot, I would be so embarrassed if I were a Gashead. Can someone please explain what this charge is against the Mem that is in place, I missed the news about this and don't understand. I'm going to be with a load of Gasheads on Sat Eve and all day Sunday and I want to get my facts rights to give the pot a stir, so I'll be looking at this thread for input. When Higgs was bought out and all the debts were paid of it was done so as a loan that was put on the books of a offshore company called Dwayne sports that owns Rovers and the Mem. To ensure that they would get all this money back no matter what happens (administration, etc) they put a charge against the Memorial stadium, So in effect the club bought itself and Wael used none of their own money, just guaranteed loans against the mem. 56 minutes ago, miagsygas said: Hi guys! Firstly, id ignore that above twitter account, it's the single biggest piece of nonsense since us getting a stadium. Secondly, I've got to be honest I'm quite pleased we aren't moving to UWE. It's definitely another thing for you to take the piss out of, granted, and the non match day revenue is of course needed if we ever really want to push on. That being said, I'm not sure I like the idea of a half full atmosphere void bowl with absolutely nothing good around it for before and after the game. I've been of the idea for a long time it wouldn't happen so nothing has changed in that respect for me. I can't really imagine anything substantial happening for a while. As for the rest of stuff with the Al Qadis pulling out, who knows? Even from day one i didn't believe in the billionaire hype, there are those that don't believe everything they read, that being said I do think he's improved some stuff off the pitch. If he leaves, we'll he was skint anyway. Honestly, nothing will ever really surprise my with this club. To be honest you were operating like a low end conference club and really needed someone to pull you up to at least L2 standards. I suspect that a lot of that was down to Higgs running out of money and lines of funding drying up. Infrastructure does not get repaired, staff get let go until you have the bare basics. Now you are back at where you should be, the question is, is the money (or will) there to push beyond. I guess this is where we will start to see the true intentions of Wael now. The reason I like this site is that we never let ourselves get so blinded or forced into a cult like collective like your forums all but force your posters to over time. Edited August 3, 2017 by Fiale 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 So .... Have all their hopes and dreams gone down the Dwane yet AGAIN then? ( its almost like one of us found a genie in a lamp few years ago, was granted three wishes, one of which was for a ' gift that keeps on giving! ' ) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Fiale said: Was a brilliant season capped by the chance of getting to the Premiership with a playoff final in front of 30k people - amazed that they think this is something to use as a dig at the club, it's still one of our best seasons with AG absolutely rocking. It's sad, they make digs out of us for this thread, but near the beginning are several pages where we did research into Wael when he took over. Rovers fans and the media were calling him a billionaire, spending his money on stadium and players, saying they were one of the richest clubs in the country. On our site we had within a couple of days put their wealth at around £70 million (and that is total assets not cash / funds available) and said little would change and at worse it could be a land grab for the mem. Whilst we did this Gas forums were giving each other a collective blow job and saying how jealous we were - maybe if they were half as inquisitive as a and not afraid of speaking out against the Gas dreamland fallacy they all live in things would not be such a shock to them. Sadly their forum is just a la la land echo chamber, dissention against the narrative = bans. Maybe their mods and posters could learn from all this.... I would rather he built a multi use indoor athletics arena at UWE this area has nothing like it for miles. Local Gymnast have to goto Plymouth to train. We could not host a athletics meet, or indoor tennis open / competition the area just sucks for facilities. When Higgs was bought out and all the debts were paid of it was done so as a loan that was put on the books of a offshore company called Dwayne sports that owns Rovers and the Mem. To ensure that they would get all this money back no matter what happens (administration, etc) they put a charge against the Memorial stadium, So in effect the club bought itself and Wael used none of their own money, just guaranteed loans against the mem. To be honest you were operating like a low end conference club and really needed someone to pull you up to at least L2 standards. I suspect that a lot of that was down to Higgs running out of money and lines of funding drying up. Infrastructure does not get repaired, staff get let go until you have the bare basics. Now you are back at where you should be, the question is, is the money (or will) there to push beyond. I guess this is where we will start to see the true intentions of Wael now. The reason I like this site is that we never let ourselves get so blinded or forced into a cult like collective like your forums all but force your posters to over time. Excellent post. If I were a Rovers fan, I'd be very worried about the future of my club at the moment! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 What exactly did UWE say on the radio? I'm in work so wasn't able to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bristol Student Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 13 hours ago, Bristol Student said: Pssst Higgsy, I have a cunning plan.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Taz said: Because ours was a semi decent ground before work started. Even with parts of the ground knocked down, it was still better than their pit. They have a lot of work to do to get it up to the standard of the old Ashton Gate, let alone anything else. Nope. We've had two new stands, one of which is far more complex than anything at the new ground of theirs (UWE or Mem plans). Add on to that the redevelopment of the Dolman which was extremely complex, particularly in removing the pillar and extending the roof. Demolishing the Mem and building it to UWE spec would be cheaper than our rebuild. I'd estimate it at £25m seeing as they already have the land. Edited August 3, 2017 by nebristolred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, RumRed said: It has 10million secured against it already, so you can knock that off its value straight away. 17 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: After the debt that's reportedly secured on it is taken into account..? A couple of million, tops, I should think! Sainsbury's deal was worth £20m I believe , which was way, way above the value of the land for housing use. I think you may be close BS3, and that's if there are no other changes or cost against the ground. I would guess Wael would want to recoup all money spent on the club, he's a banker after all, I don't think he'll leave much behind. If he's looking for a way out, I wonder if the club is more valuable now. Maybe in a better positioning the League, but the shiny stadium prospect would have made a difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 They seem to slowly be cottoning on over on AssChat: Quote Something smells fishy. And I do believe it's coming from Wael's vicinity. It's no longer possible to hide behind DC's success on the pitch. He needs to provide the fans with a full and honest explanation. Quote Who do you trust, compromises have been made so he says. To what extent? I am getting the impression, the family just dont want to part with their own money Quote I believe the owners are tight and have screwed up. They wanted to get a stadium on the cheap and UWE have stakeholders to answer to so they couldn't go below a certain price. This is just my opinion, given we've received no meaningful update for....well, ever? Always one 'tard though: Quote Good point....uwe are def shaken by this....a statement and a live interview within 2 hours when no comment for years! This is a business masterstroke by our owners to get a better deal as uwe are now clearly desperate for it....or this is the best chance of a stadium ruined by lies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, nebristolred said: Nope. We've had two new stands, one of which is far more complex than anything at the new ground of theirs (UWE or Mem plans). Add on to that the redevelopment of the Dolman which was extremely complex, particularly in removing the pillar and extending the roof. Demolishing the Mem and building it to UWE spec would be cheaper than our rebuild. As I said earlier, Rotherham's build cost £20m and that is 12k ish? They are also very constricted by space , not saying it can't be done but I doubt it can be done for £8m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 A couple of years ago it looked like Rovers were set for administration due to the size of the debt to Nick Higgs and the Wonga loan. With any normal club this would have happened, but not the Barcelona of the West Country, Bristol Rovers. Nick Higgs pulled off a masterstroke and found a sucker from the middle east to bail them out. This masterstroke enabled us to laugh at the tales of Wael's endless wealth making him the 6th richest man in the world. It enabled us to laugh at the comments on the Rovers' forum about the imminent new ground. It has extended the delusion of the Rovers fans. I think we should all give heartfelt thanks to Nick Higgs for all the amusement he has brought us. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Sainsbury's deal was worth £20m I believe , which was way, way above the value of the land for housing use. I think you may be close BS3, and that's if there are no other changes or cost against the ground. I would guess Wael would want to recoup all money spent on the club, he's a banker after all, I don't think he'll leave much behind. If he's looking for a way out, I wonder if the club is more valuable now. Maybe in a better positioning the League, but the shiny stadium prospect would have made a difference. Super markets pay way over the odd's. For housing, I'd guess that land is worth £10-15 million. Just enough to pay back Wally, leave the gas with no ground, no money & in dire straits. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Tomarse said: UWE still hoping it goes ahead.. odd. Are these the opening shots to a long drawn out expensive court case? Let's hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, nebristolred said: Nope. We've had two new stands, one of which is far more complex than anything at the new ground of theirs (UWE or Mem plans). Add on to that the redevelopment of the Dolman which was extremely complex, particularly in removing the pillar and extending the roof. Demolishing the Mem and building it to UWE spec would be cheaper than our rebuild. But a complete demolition isn't likely as they would have to move somewhere else for a few years. With that in mind, why would anyone want to let them in to share a ground with their record? They'd end up claiming squatters rights once they'd realised they couldn't afford to pay the demo crew and had nothing but a patch of land left. They're like a bad smell once they get in, you end up losing your ground in the process. Inflation alone without the "brexit" effect would push it up to the cost of ours. They ain't got the money. To be fair I couldn't care less, just shows them up for what they are, a laughing stock. Edited August 3, 2017 by Taz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 The wishing WAEL cannot surely be empty can it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Taz said: But a complete demolition isn't likely as they would have to move somewhere else for a few years. With that in mind, why would anyone want to let them in to share a ground with their record? They'd end up claiming squatters rights once they'd realised they couldn't afford to pay the demo crew and had nothing but a patch of land left. They're like a bad smell once they get in, you end up losing your ground in the process. Inflation alone without the "brexit" effect would push it up to the cost of ours. They ain't got the money. To be fair I couldn't care less, just shows them up for what they are, a laughing stock. They could always come and use "Trashton" (again) Kind of like with the FC Twente friendly, we could just open the Dolman, to cater for the small numbers in attendance. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: What exactly did UWE say on the radio? I'm in work so wasn't able to listen. Don't know.... but I can remember when every week on the telly he used to say ''Double Your Money'' & ''Opportunity Knocks'' ahh. those were the days my friend. (that'll mean nothing to anyone under the age of 50 -ask yer parents/grand parents ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Legal charges are a method of securing debts. In other words Wael is worried that should it all go pear shaped (if it hasn't already) he will not lose the money used to pay off Nick Higgs and other directors plus the Wonga loan. Should the Minimal Stadium be sold, he will be guaranteed to receive the money - approx £9m for Nick Higgs & and directors plus approx £3m Wonga. After he has received his £14m the other creditors will get their money and if there is then anything left it could go to the club. So, Rovers might be left with, say, a couple of hundred pounds to enable them to build a new ground. Placing is charge is hardly the action of a billionaire who has long term grandiose plans for the club. It's the actions of a man who realises he's out of his depth in the world of football and finance and wants to get out. The charge I think does ordinarily make a lot of sense, but maybe there is something more. The reason I would in his shoes put a charge on the stadium is for the purpose of what you say, but not the reasoning. I would have one because I come before all creditors - without a charge on it it's just an asset of the club which could be realised. It actually makes the asset more secure. Sure it could be for him to realise his expenditure, or it could be to protect it from the vultures if things went sour. We have a similar defence despite a billionaire owner - we have a separate entity own the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 24 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: What exactly did UWE say on the radio? I'm in work so wasn't able to listen. Just said they have no idea why Rovers have pulled out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest simonb2020 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Me and a friend (a sag) unfortunately.... bumped into Steve Landsdown, he explained he didn't understand how rovers fans with such little investment in their club in the past years still love their club and manager more than city fans appear to when he has poured millions and millions in and still they do not love him. on another note, dont get to happy about stadiums, Brentford and Burton both have rubbish stadiums yet still on paper and last year on evidence are a better team than us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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