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9 minutes ago, BCFC11 said:

Quote from over there - He’s not wrong they are 2 completely different characters SL isn’t a fraud for a start.

‘But our situation is more complicated. Ashton is a dump, you could do what you want down there and no one will object, The Mem is a far more challenging site for lots of reasons. And landsdown is an individual happy to waste his money, whatever you think of the Al Qadis they are very different characters.’

 

 

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1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said:

His explanation for youngsters buying their own kit was ridiculous. Perplexing even. 

It was the best bit, I'll type it out as I was just going "What?" when he was rambling about it:

 

Geoff: Is this true that the [Academy] lads buy their own kit?

Steve: Let me tell you, let me tell you that we have an exceptionally fine Academy manager in Johnny Henderson...

Geoff: Do they pay for their own kit?

Steve: ... and part of the basis that he wants to feel, you know, he believes that these guys should actually earn the right to be part of our Academy.  Now this is his policy, we support it, and I think that's one of the introductions he's made

Geoff: That they buy their own kit?

Steve: Absolutely, because you know they believe that actually that's part of, part of the make-up of being part of our Academy.

Geoff: Can they afford to do that?

Steve:  Well.... if they can't then obviously, uh,  they can find support elsewhere in terms of people helping them.  That is something that I think he wants to introduce.  Uh, I saw them last Wednesday night at Oxford United in the youth cup and they played extremely well we've got some very talented young mans (sic).  I am very happy about that department of the football club, it's well run and so far we haven't lost anybody that we don't wish to lose and, uh, there's a great loyalty bond there, and uh, I think that's one area that I feel very pleased about.

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5 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

It was the best bit, I'll type it out as I was just going "What?" when he was rambling about it:

 

Geoff: Is this true that the [Academy] lads buy their own kit?

Steve: Let me tell you, let me tell you that we have an exceptionally fine Academy manager in Johnny Henderson...

Geoff: Do they pay for their own kit?

Steve: ... and part of the basis that he wants to feel, you know, he believes that these guys should actually earn the right to be part of our Academy.  Now this is his policy, we support it, and I think that's one of the introductions he's made

Geoff: That they buy their own kit?

Steve: Absolutely, because you know they believe that actually that's part of, part of the make-up of being part of our Academy.

Geoff: Can they afford to do that?

Steve:  Well.... if they can't then obviously, uh,  they can find support elsewhere in terms of people helping them.  That is something that I think he wants to introduce.  Uh, I saw them last Wednesday night at Oxford United in the youth cup and they played extremely well we've got some very talented young mans (sic).  I am very happy about that department of the football club, it's well run and so far we haven't lost anybody that we don't wish to lose and, uh, there's a great loyalty bond there, and uh, I think that's one area that I feel very pleased about.

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2 hours ago, ChubStixx said:

Just caught the rovers chairman saying that their academy players have to buy their own kits etc, and if they can't afford them they'll need to find the support from elsewhere. Did I hear right??

You probably did. I believe the same applies to our Academy as well. A lad I know was accepted into BCFC Academy in September and his parents had to find about £200 for training kit, etc. It's the equivalent of buying a school uniform for the sixth form.

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1 minute ago, Tomarse said:

Disappointed GT didn’t ask him about the charge on the mem. Would love to have heard Hammy squirm about that 

I thought he did. 

Think he explained it wasn't unusual practice and it didn't have any effect on operating finances. Something like that. Implied it wasn't about to be called in. 

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2 minutes ago, Tomarse said:

Disappointed GT didn’t ask him about the charge on the mem. Would love to have heard Hammy squirm about that 

Tomarse, the charge did come up. A fan rang in. Apparently it is normal business practice and nothing to worry about. It is about safeguarding the asset. Dwane Sports are entitled to collect interest on the loan but apparently they are not.

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2 minutes ago, Red Tel said:

You probably did. I believe the same applies to our Academy as well. A lad I know was accepted into BCFC Academy in September and his parents had to find about £200 for training kit, etc. It's the equivalent of buying a school uniform for the sixth form.

That's disappointing. 

I'd prefer to see it as analogous to getting a part time job at Tesco at 16.

You'd expect them to provide a uniform. 

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9 minutes ago, Red Tel said:

You probably did. I believe the same applies to our Academy as well. A lad I know was accepted into BCFC Academy in September and his parents had to find about £200 for training kit, etc. It's the equivalent of buying a school uniform for the sixth form.

Is that for all age groups up to and including under 18s? I can see that being the case for say up to under 13s but anything over that then we are fighting for players to sign to us and not go else where.

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8 minutes ago, pride of the west said:

Is that for all age groups up to and including under 18s? I can see that being the case for say up to under 13s but anything over that then we are fighting for players to sign to us and not go else where.

According to my friend, whose son has joined the Academy this year as a pupil, before boys and girls are accepted into the Academy at 16, they have had to attain a certain academic level with their GCSE's results. For the next two years they spend most of their time in the classroom, where the uniform is a Bristol City tracksuit. There is more to the Academy than just being a good footballer. They are taught about all the aspects of being a footballer, including how to coach. This gives the kids a good grounding in case they don't make it as a professional, which, as we know, most won't. A lot of really good footballers don't make it as far as the Academy because they don't get good enough GCSE grades.

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Just now, Malago said:

If they were a film studio it’d be hard to know if the would be Hamer Horror (geddit) or Ealing Comedy.

Just go for films instead, much easier.  That interview suggests ‘Carry on Camping’ , well a couple of tits were exposed, so it kind of fits.

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1 hour ago, Tomarse said:

Ashton is a dump! The houses directly behind the Atyeo have been going for 350-400k a pop.  

As someone considering moving within BS3, trust me, your upper figure is now at the bottom end of what you would get something decent for.

Those gas monkeys in Fishponds simply have no clue just how expensive that part of South Bristol is now..

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9 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

As someone considering moving within BS3, trust me, your upper figure is now at the bottom end of what you would get something decent for.

Those gas monkeys in Fishponds simply have no clue just how expensive that part of South Bristol is now..

In fairness, whether somewhere is a dump or not isn't entirely about price. 

Look at the dumps in London.

Taking the club bias away from it, the area in the immediate vicinity of the stadium (at least some of it) is really quite unpleasant. 

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I liked the way that twice when talking about the 'training ground' being ready, he said "Septem...umm...July 2019". So there's a 3 month delay already!

That state of the art 'Training Complex' has very quickly become 1 full size pitch and 3 smaller ones with no mention of any other facilities at all. That visit to see Fleetwood's facilities must have been very enlightening:-

"This is fantastic, just what we want, so how much did it cost?"

"8 Million quid"

"Bugger that for a game of soldiers"

It should also be asked that, given it's now just 4 pitches, why the hell is the planning permission still dragging on and on?

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2 minutes ago, fgrsimon said:

I liked the way that twice when talking about the 'training ground' being ready, he said "Septem...umm...July 2019". So there's a 3 month delay already!

That state of the art 'Training Complex' has very quickly become 1 full size pitch and 3 smaller ones with no mention of any other facilities at all. That visit to see Fleetwood's facilities must have been very enlightening:-

"This is fantastic, just what we want, so how much did it cost?"

"8 Million quid"

"Bugger that for a game of soldiers"

It should also be asked that, given it's now just 4 pitches, why the hell is the planning permission still dragging on and on?

8 million quid is easily enough raised. They could borrow that amount against their main asset. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, fgrsimon said:

 

It should also be asked that, given it's now just 4 pitches, why the hell is the planning permission still dragging on and on?

Wally is trying to raise the money.

Sadly, he didn't fully understand the term Turf Accountant and so they are back to square one. Unless of course his 50p Yankie comes in.

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Hamer said that UWE refused to go to Jordan in January  and "who knows what might have happened if they had"

So deal collapsed, just because of this!

Why the **** should the powers that be at UWE have to travel thousands of miles (no doubt at their expenses) to Jordan to discuss a development in Bristol and a couple of hundred yards - OK perhaps a mile, from their own administrative HQ?

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17 minutes ago, fgrsimon said:

I liked the way that twice when talking about the 'training ground' being ready, he said "Septem...umm...July 2019". So there's a 3 month delay already!

That state of the art 'Training Complex' has very quickly become 1 full size pitch and 3 smaller ones with no mention of any other facilities at all. That visit to see Fleetwood's facilities must have been very enlightening:-

"This is fantastic, just what we want, so how much did it cost?"

"8 Million quid"

"Bugger that for a game of soldiers"

It should also be asked that, given it's now just 4 pitches, why the hell is the planning permission still dragging on and on?

 

12 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Wally is trying to raise the money.

Sadly, he didn't fully understand the term Turf Accountant and so they are back to square one. Unless of course his 50p Yankie comes in.

 

I imagine the building costs and then hearing that  the academies lose over a million a year as well made them think - nope, nope, nope how about we get some rollers, seed and just create a few training pitches for now.

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4 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Just wanted to congratulate this gashead on Twitter who posted what might possibly be the worst meme in the history of the internet. Well done...

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Yeah that was replying to me and had the cheek to try and take the piss out of my banter. :laughcont: He gave up in the end . :violin:

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24 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

In fairness, whether somewhere is a dump or not isn't entirely about price. 

Look at the dumps in London.

Taking the club bias away from it, the area in the immediate vicinity of the stadium (at least some of it) is really quite unpleasant. 

Where is that?  I would suggest that much of the immediate area is quite desirable.

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2 hours ago, BCFC11 said:

Quote from over there - He’s not wrong they are 2 completely different characters SL isn’t a fraud for a start.

‘But our situation is more complicated. Ashton is a dump, you could do what you want down there and no one will object, The Mem is a far more challenging site for lots of reasons. And landsdown is an individual happy to waste his money, whatever you think of the Al Qadis they are very different characters.’

 

Ashton is a dump? What a cock.

Used to be a bit run down, in the 80s and early 90s when his shit team used actually visit every year but in the last 2 decades it’s become a very desirable area for house buyers. 

In reality, you can bet your life that the Saghead who wrote that would LOVE to have a genuinely wealthy owner ‘wasting’ his money on the Gas, building a fantastic stadium like AG that gets complimented by every set of visiting fans. Showing off a new 10k seater stand instead of a tiny, ridiculous tent like structure.

They deserve owners like the Al Qadis the same as they deserved to sleep walk into Non League. Even if they they ended up back there you’d still get their d1ck heads saying “I’d rather we did it this way and not the way Lansdown has done it”.

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28 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

In fairness, whether somewhere is a dump or not isn't entirely about price. 

Look at the dumps in London.

Taking the club bias away from it, the area in the immediate vicinity of the stadium (at least some of it) is really quite unpleasant. 

Do you/have you spent much time around the area on non-matchdays..?

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10 minutes ago, zippycar said:

Hamer said that UWE refused to go to Jordan in January  and "who knows what might have happened if they had"

So deal collapsed, just because of this!

Why the **** should the powers that be at UWE have to travel thousands of miles (no doubt at their expenses) to Jordan to discuss a development in Bristol and a couple of hundred yards - OK perhaps a mile, from their own administrative HQ?

Who knows what might have happened?

I'll guess that the UWE delegation would have been accused of being swayed by old man Wally and his fancy hotel.

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Geoff “You say the training ground will be ready by July 1st 2019 but when I asked Dopey last week about it, he said hasn’t a clue”

Hamer – No he’s a manager of a football team”

Geoff – But he’s got an interest in it hasn’t he?

Hamer – we’ve had times when we’ve looked at extravagant ideas but we have a budget and we are well intentioned and have our plans
 

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 Just listened to the whole hour, is it me or doesHamer really not have a clue what is going on, also thought it was telling when asked if there was any enthusiasm for the mem and leper colony revamp he only mentioned himself,wally and dopey not Hani or old man Wacky. I would be very concerned if I worn the quarterz. 

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Is it just me, but the more Hamer speaks about Wael, the more he sounds like he is describing George, The Prince of Wales in Blackadder the third?

At least Mrs Miggins pies won't let the faithful down!

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2 minutes ago, cidercity said:

 Just listened to the whole hour, is it me or doesHamer really not have a clue what is going on, also thought it was telling when asked if there was any enthusiasm for the mem and leper colony revamp he only mentioned himself,wally and dopey not Hani or old man Wacky. I would be very concerned if I worn the quarterz. 

If I had I wouldn't be concerned, I would have shot myself.

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51 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

In fairness, whether somewhere is a dump or not isn't entirely about price. 

Look at the dumps in London.

Taking the club bias away from it, the area in the immediate vicinity of the stadium (at least some of it) is really quite unpleasant. 

Sorry Cotswold me old babber, I've got to pull you on this.

I'm an ex Bemmie boy and Ashton was the promised land.

I know there are the flats on Duckmoor Road and some terraced housing locally but I am struggling to consider either of these as 'unpleasant'. Home is home and I'm sure that the local residents - of all properties - would not consider their area as 'really quite unpleasant'.

Interested to hear your slant on it fellow Red.

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43 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Just wanted to congratulate this gashead on Twitter who posted what might possibly be the worst meme in the history of the internet. Well done...

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It's 'an atmosphere', saghead - basic grammar....jeez :facepalm:

#nohope

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34 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Where is that?  I would suggest that much of the immediate area is quite desirable.

From Duckmoor Road to Wells Street. Number 26 ain't being visited by Sarah Beeney any time soon. 

Fine if you like that area. Each to their own. If it was near the Mem many would be slating it. 

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53 minutes ago, Spoons said:

I love the bit where Hamer is talking about 'developing stand by stand' ! Hilarious , never going to happen.

Hes better of going down Marcus stores and getting four new tents !!

They've already done that.

Now for the other sides!

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2 hours ago, Busterrimes said:

Tomarse, the charge did come up. A fan rang in. Apparently it is normal business practice and nothing to worry about. It is about safeguarding the asset. Dwane Sports are entitled to collect interest on the loan but apparently they are not.

Then HMRC should be investigating them for fiddling their accounts!! 

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Look at this post below, it’s hilarious...in particular the last sentence “we didn’t set the expectations here, Wael did”.

Presumably by ‘we’ he/she means the fans. The very same fans who were spanking the monkey all over Social Media when the Al Qadis arrived. They (the fans) were  making ridiculous claims about being the 6th richest club in the country, on par with Chelsea and Man Utd, Bigger, richer club than City could ever be.

Whilst Al Qadi was talking about evolution, Gasheads were busy writing cheques Wally couldn’t cash. So it is your fault Gasheads, shouldn’t have so massively cocky, should you?

 

 

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Almost word for word and only slightly paraphrased

Geoff – is the club paying interest to Dwaine Sports or anyone else on that loan?

Hamer – the club has a notional, (he repeated) notional, which is never drawn down (but didn’t exactly say what it was), but is set in place, but the reason is if it was equity then obviously it is non recoverable but it could be perceived as a loan if you like its not drawn down and it’s not damaging the finances of the football club, but eventually if the club were ever to arrive in the Premier League and if the owners believed it was right to repay the loan that they have accrued over a period of time then they have every right to do so.

Hamer - It’s not money that has been received weekly/monthly/yearly, it’s notional and can be drawn or has been accrued as and when they want to do it.

So there you go then, from the proverbial horses (punchers) mouth and of course I believe him - no interest has been paid to date and will only be due when the Gas reach the Premier League.

Sorry that this episode of Jackonary was on so long after your bedtime, but I have no reason to doubt Mr Hamer and why should I!

Oh and yes, Mr Hamer as an after dinner speaker?

I’m glad I haven’t attended some of the earlier posters diners and that’s coming from someone who has had the misfortune of hearing Norman Collier as an after dinner speaker.

And fortunately the Wheel Tappers & Shunters Club was well before most of OTIB’s followers time!!!!
 

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Rovers are letting the Mem become a drive in movie theatre by The Bristol Outdoor Cinema Company.  They will be showing Home alone and Love actually.

I'm sure they could be showing something move appropriate like One flew over the cuckoo's nest or 2004's Mind The Gap.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/whats-on/film/bristol-rovers-memorial-stadium-being-820439

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3 minutes ago, chucky said:

Rovers are letting the Mem become a drive in movie theatre by The Bristol Outdoor Cinema Company.  They will be showing Home alone and Love actually.

I'm sure they could be showing something move appropriate like One flew over the cuckoo's nest or 2004's Mind The Gap.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/whats-on/film/bristol-rovers-memorial-stadium-being-820439

This could be a fun game, how about Brewsters Millions or Trading Places? My favourite would be The Million Pound Note, a film where someone is given £1m but he can't spend it because it's all in one note, just like those gasheads waiting for their "billionaires" to start opening the vaults.

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Not sure the positives are that or was it tongue in cheek! Seems Nick has again failed with due diligence? FFS Nick Day allegedly said when he 
googled our owners, they have more money than god! They must be wetting themselves in BS3.

 

yep we have

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9 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

This could be a fun game, how about Brewsters Millions or Trading Places? My favourite would be The Million Pound Note, a film where someone is given £1m but he can't spend it because it's all in one note, just like those gasheads waiting for their "billionaires" to start opening the vaults.

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17 minutes ago, chucky said:

Rovers are letting the Mem become a drive in movie theatre by The Bristol Outdoor Cinema Company.  They will be showing Home alone and Love actually.

I'm sure they could be showing something move appropriate like One flew over the cuckoo's nest or 2004's Mind The Gap.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/whats-on/film/bristol-rovers-memorial-stadium-being-820439

 

3 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said:

£20 per clapped out Fiat Uno to watch two films that will be shown 715678 times over Christmas on the same night that we are home to Manchester United in the quarter finals of the League Cup.

Yes they really are coming for us.

Hope they don't have to drive the Uno onto the swamp to watch Love Alone and Home Actually, they would sink up to the hub caps. 

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Having pondered overnight, I guess we are no worse-off than we were 18 months ago with the wonga loan coming to maturity and the possibility of administration only months away. I guess the budget is bigger than it would have been under Higgs and DC has a stronger medical team and we have a development squad albeit one run on a shoe-string. We may in 18 months have use of a basic but functional training ground. So I guess we are marginally better off than we were even if promises were not delivered and it's questionable if they ever will,

I guess we now know a little more about how the club is run by the owners. We now know the Hani definately controls the purse strings at DS and he calls all the big decisions and Hamer and our FD have to persuade Hani of the need and prudence of every penny of the family's money put into the club by way of an interest baring secured loan. We know the interest is not paid but rolled up into the loan. We know Wael is a football fan but has little say and we know Hani is a banker who is not a football fan and that he is trying to manage the family investment in a way that protects the family's wealth and that one day in the future the loan may be recalled, when and how that might be handled we do not know. We know that the future of the club is in Hani's hands not Wael's and that evolution may result in a club very different to the one we expected and hoped for.

Will know know that the Mem. redevelopment is years away and may never happen in the way we had expected or hoped, we know the dream of a top-six budget has gone. We will go forward knowing not to expect any communication from our holding company (DS) and that we will operate on tight budgets and will always operate in an uncertain environment with the owners intentions never being clear or certain and with the ongoing risk of Hani one day in the future seeking to recoup the family's secured loan to the club. We operate in a strange situation of a family, with no real interest in football, investing in a club they bought for Wael but will not allow Wael to fully own or operate. The club goes forward in hope without any business plan and with difficult communication channels with the owners (DS).

Can't say it's a good situation and it's certainly an unusual one and not one I like but we are where we are and personally I have little faith that things will improve and it's just that much harder to dream about the future. It's all sounds like Hani is trying to operated as a private equity fund but without any real plan of how the investment will ever come good or be realised.

Pretty much.

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9 hours ago, CotswoldRed said:

From Duckmoor Road to Wells Street. Number 26 ain't being visited by Sarah Beeney any time soon. 

Fine if you like that area. Each to their own. If it was near the Mem many would be slating it. 

Jesus mate......you've managed to slate a whole area based on a couple of streets. Next time you're down there, open your eyes beyond the Natch wall.......

Historical park looking across to Ashton Court and the Suspension Bridge, Victorian terraced houses selling at 400/500k, Bustling and "gentrified" North Street with all the amenities, large street networks of good order housing/communities, new developments planned for Mercedes garage, old brewery site, wickes site etc

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10 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

Who knows what might have happened?

I'll guess that the UWE delegation would have been accused of being swayed by old man Wally and his fancy hotel.

I would have guessed that those that would have gone would have been personally wealthier IF they HAD made the trip, if you get my drift.

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2 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Jesus mate......you've managed to slate a whole area based on a couple of streets. Next time you're down there, open your eyes beyond the Natch wall.......

Historical park looking across to Ashton Court and the Suspension Bridge, Victorian terraced houses selling at 400/500k, Bustling and "gentrified" North Street with all the amenities, large street networks of good order housing/communities, new developments planned for Mercedes garage, old brewery site, wickes site etc

He's just upset because back in the 80s he was sold a dodgy washing machine by a little cockney bloke with a yellow, three wheeled van on Duckmoor.

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On 7/30/2017 at 07:17, CotswoldRed said:

While Bristolians keep having babies there are always new tossers adding to the fold.

The Dutch are generally bloody lovely people, even when on tour. I doubt the validity of this 'report'. 

 

8 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Jesus mate......you've managed to slate a whole area based on a couple of streets. Next time you're down there, open your eyes beyond the Natch wall.......

Historical park looking across to Ashton Court and the Suspension Bridge, Victorian terraced houses selling at 400/500k, Bustling and "gentrified" North Street with all the amenities, large street networks of good order housing/communities, new developments planned for Mercedes garage, old brewery site, wickes site etc

As you can see above, it's not the first time this particular poster has criticised the City of Bristol or it's natives.

 

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Right, couldn't listen to GT and not read every relevant post so can someone put me right here.

1) They (the family) have a charge against the stadium to protect their interest.

2) They have interest building , but only being added to the loan

If this is right, won't they get to a point where the charge and interest becomes larger than the assets of the club and so makes it unfeasible to carry on, specially in the eyes of a Banker. 

Edit:The original post was 'posted' too early sorry

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1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

This could be a fun game, how about Brewsters Millions or Trading Places? My favourite would be The Million Pound Note, a film where someone is given £1m but he can't spend it because it's all in one note, just like those gasheads waiting for their "billionaires" to start opening the vaults.

 

Blazing Saddles?

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3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Right, couldn't listen to GT and not read every relevant post so can someone put me right here.

1) They (the family) have a charge against the stadium to protect their interest.

in real basic terms they are more tinpot then they ever have been, their "billionaire" has been confirmed to be a fake shiek, The family can call the loan in at any time and when that happens so does bankruptcy and the gas become homeless,

 

Basically everything we warned them about since Weal came in is true

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5 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

in real basic terms they are more tinpot then they ever have been, their "billionaire" has been confirmed to be a fake shiek, The family can call the loan in at any time and when that happens so does bankruptcy and the gas become homeless,

 

Basically everything we warned them about since Weal came in is true

Plus , their savour Wael , is just a stooge. He gets to enjoy the adulation of gullible gAss , while having no real power over the money
(6th richest club init :rofl2br:).
I would like to know how they have spent £12m  SINCE the take over. If they count Dwayne Sports purchase of the train ground, could they include anything that the family has bought in the time since the takeover? They may as well as the club wouldn't own that either.

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15 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Plus , their savour Wael , is just a stooge. He gets to enjoy the adulation of gullible gAss , while having no real power over the money
(6th richest club init :rofl2br:).
I would like to know how they have spent £12m  SINCE the take over. If they count Dwayne Sports purchase of the train ground, could they include anything that the family has bought in the time since the takeover? They may as well as the club wouldn't own that either.

You simply have no idea of the price of Championship ready sprinklers. And don't get me started about the cost of carpet cleaning ...

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