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7 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Cracking work cityal. If things stay as they are, we must be close to a record deficit this season then? 

Not quite, the record season so far was in 1979 when we averaged 22,306 and they averaged just 7593 (14713 difference) which meant they needed to increase their gate a further 193.8% - 200% equates to triple their average gate.

I am not sure what the averages for this current season I think we are just under 20k and they must be around lower 9K or upper 8k. This is likely to mean this year we'd be looking at something like 120 or 130% just over double theirs.

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7 hours ago, Tom Fleuriot said:

Good stuff @cityal  any chance of putting each team’s league position in that graph?

That might be a bit tricky to show on this graph - i'll have a think about how to improve it

The graph as presented could be a bit better - I may need to work out if I can get a higher res version somewhere.

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7 hours ago, cityal said:

I think it is high time to dispel this rubbish about "core support" with every gashead's nemesis - "facts" as opposed to #gaslogic

I took some time to analyse the historical attendance data often linked in this thread to see exactly how core support stacked up over the years between the two clubs. Needless to say if that website's data is even partially correct (and there is no reason to particularly doubt it) it confirms what we all knew already.

 

So how to read this graph.....

It is based on the percentage difference in average attendances between the two clubs.  A blue bar means the gas were better supported that year, a red bar City were better supported. The size of the bar indicates the percentage difference in attendance.

For each year there is data (back to 1921, but none through WWII) I worked out the difference in attendance as a percentage of the lower of the two attendances - essentially what this figure tells you is how much the lower attended club would have needed to increase their own attendance to match the better supported club that year.

As an example last year we averaged 19256 and the blue few averaged 9302 - the difference is 9954, and that equates to an extra 107% deluded half-wits they would have needed to find (and fit into their dump) to have matched us.

 

Some observations....

Since England won the world cup just over 50 years ago rovers have had a higher average attendance once! 

Only on 6 occasions would we have needed a greater than 10% increase on our attendance in a season to match them 

There are 71 occasions where rovers would have needed a greater than 10% increase to match us

City have never needed to make up 50% or more to reach rovers attendance

On 21 occasions we have more than doubled their attendance (all figures >100% on the graph)

 

 

 

 

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So they could technically claim that there were 6 consecutive years where we didn't have larger attendances than them? Darn it, der Gas are just the hugest club and we have no hope of bettering them.....

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19 minutes ago, cityal said:

Not quite, the record season so far was in 1979 when we averaged 22,306 and they averaged just 7593 (14713 difference) which meant they needed to increase their gate a further 193.8% - 200% equates to triple their average gate.

I am not sure what the averages for this current season I think we are just under 20k and they must be around lower 9K or upper 8k. This is likely to mean this year we'd be looking at something like 120 or 130% just over double theirs.

we are averaging 19590.6 

can't tell you what they are as they don't published the data on their website (must be embarrassed) but I'm going to say 8000

so  about 140% more then them currently 

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9 hours ago, cityal said:

I think it is high time to dispel this rubbish about "core support" with every gashead's nemesis - "facts" as opposed to #gaslogic

I took some time to analyse the historical attendance data often linked in this thread to see exactly how core support stacked up over the years between the two clubs. Needless to say if that website's data is even partially correct (and there is no reason to particularly doubt it) it confirms what we all knew already.

Attendances.thumb.jpg.c748ec261199379d0b450b74f9f0545c.jpg

So how to read this graph.....

It is based on the percentage difference in average attendances between the two clubs.  A blue bar means the gas were better supported that year, a red bar City were better supported. The size of the bar indicates the percentage difference in attendance.

For each year there is data (back to 1921, but none through WWII) I worked out the difference in attendance as a percentage of the lower of the two attendances - essentially what this figure tells you is how much the lower attended club would have needed to increase their own attendance to match the better supported club that year.

As an example last year we averaged 19256 and the blue few averaged 9302 - the difference is 9954, and that equates to an extra 107% deluded half-wits they would have needed to find (and fit into their dump) to have matched us.

 

Some observations....

Since England won the world cup just over 50 years ago rovers have had a higher average attendance once! 

Only on 6 occasions would we have needed a greater than 10% increase on our attendance in a season to match them 

There are 71 occasions where rovers would have needed a greater than 10% increase to match us

City have never needed to make up 50% or more to reach rovers attendance

On 21 occasions we have more than doubled their attendance (all figures >100% on the graph)

 

 

 

 

 

For AWAY support they are top every year....according to them. It's all about AWAY support....They even wrote a book on it! These stats are of Zero interest to Gasheads. They are the most amazingly AWAY supported team in the country....Well, they are in the top one anyway!

 

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1 minute ago, Cheesleysmate said:

For AWAY support they are top every year....according to them. It's all about AWAY support....They even wrote a book on it! These stats are of Zero interest to Gasheads. They are the most amazingly AWAY supported team in the country....Well, they are in the top one anyway!

 

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3 minutes ago, Cheesleysmate said:

For AWAY support they are top every year....according to them. It's all about AWAY support....They even wrote a book on it! These stats are of Zero interest to Gasheads. They are the most amazingly AWAY supported team in the country....Well, they are in the top one anyway!

 

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1 minute ago, Super said:

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I hope it includes Tottenham in 1977.......Surely that was the best one of them all?

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5 minutes ago, Cheesleysmate said:

For AWAY support they are top every year....according to them. It's all about AWAY support....They even wrote a book on it! These stats are of Zero interest to Gasheads. They are the most amazingly AWAY supported team in the country....Well, they are in the top one anyway!

 

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That's because away grounds tend to have toilets rather than portaloos. Well, except Swindon.

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2 hours ago, semblar said:

So they could technically claim that there were 6 consecutive years where we didn't have larger attendances than them? Darn it, der Gas are just the hugest club and we have no hope of bettering them.....

If they count WWII then yes!!! - #gaslogic at its finest   

Either side of the war we had higher attendances

1939: City 10,430 Gas 7,999

1947: City 18,849 Gas 12,527

Their longest non-gaslogic consecutive run of getting higher attendances than us was three years

The longest consecutive run of higher attendances by either club is the run we are now 34 years and counting

 

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1 minute ago, cityal said:

:laugh: if they count WWII then yes!!! - #gaslogic at its finest   

Either side of the war we had higher attendances

1939: City 10,430 Gas 7,999

1947: City 18,849 Gas 12,527

Their longest non-gaslogic consecutive run of getting higher attendances than us was three years

The longest consecutive run of higher attendances by either club is the run we are now 34 years and counting

 

Facts.........they don’t deal in facts.

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10 hours ago, cityal said:

I think it is high time to dispel this rubbish about "core support" with every gashead's nemesis - "facts" as opposed to #gaslogic

I took some time to analyse the historical attendance data often linked in this thread to see exactly how core support stacked up over the years between the two clubs. Needless to say if that website's data is even partially correct (and there is no reason to particularly doubt it) it confirms what we all knew already.

Attendances.thumb.jpg.c748ec261199379d0b450b74f9f0545c.jpg

So how to read this graph.....

It is based on the percentage difference in average attendances between the two clubs.  A blue bar means the gas were better supported that year, a red bar City were better supported. The size of the bar indicates the percentage difference in attendance.

For each year there is data (back to 1921, but none through WWII) I worked out the difference in attendance as a percentage of the lower of the two attendances - essentially what this figure tells you is how much the lower attended club would have needed to increase their own attendance to match the better supported club that year.

As an example last year we averaged 19256 and the blue few averaged 9302 - the difference is 9954, and that equates to an extra 107% deluded half-wits they would have needed to find (and fit into their dump) to have matched us.

 

Some observations....

Since England won the world cup just over 50 years ago rovers have had a higher average attendance once! 

Only on 6 occasions would we have needed a greater than 10% increase on our attendance in a season to match them 

There are 71 occasions where rovers would have needed a greater than 10% increase to match us

City have never needed to make up 50% or more to reach rovers attendance

On 21 occasions we have more than doubled their attendance (all figures >100% on the graph)

 

 

 

 

This a great post. Thanks @cityal. Please will you reproduce this post as a completely new thread then mods, please will you pin that thread so that when this subject is raised again, as it often is by the 15ers, we have the rebuttal information immediately to hand?

 

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3 hours ago, cityal said:

That might be a bit tricky to show on this graph - i'll have a think about how to improve it

The graph as presented could be a bit better - I may need to work out if I can get a higher res version somewhere.

I tried that and had problems with the fact that the number of teams in the top division changed and including div 3 north and south (though div 3 north was known as the 4th div :)  ). The graph still looked very red though.

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At a Christmas social last night attended by a few who claim to have insider knowledge of Bristol football, I heard two rumours which even if only slightly true would make VERY worrying reading to the blue few;

1 , They don't own the Colony training ground site, it's on lease and haven't paid the rent for 3 months, ground workers are about to be ordered off site.

2, They have had to take out a short term loan to pay the players.

:gasmask: 

Henbury Gas, we know you read this thread on a daily basis, what have you heard?

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3 minutes ago, myol'man said:

At a Christmas social last night attended by a few who claim to have insider knowledge of Bristol football, I heard two rumours which even if only slightly true would make VERY worrying reading to the blue few;

1 , They don't own the Colony training ground site, it's on lease and haven't paid the rent for 3 months, ground workers are about to be ordered off site.

2, They have had to take out a short term loan to pay the players.

:gasmask: 

Henbury Gas, we know you read this thread on a daily basis, what have you heard?

Please dear god let it be true :pray:

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10 hours ago, cityal said:

I think it is high time to dispel this rubbish about "core support" with every gashead's nemesis - "facts" as opposed to #gaslogic

I took some time to analyse the historical attendance data often linked in this thread to see exactly how core support stacked up over the years between the two clubs. Needless to say if that website's data is even partially correct (and there is no reason to particularly doubt it) it confirms what we all knew already.

Attendances.thumb.jpg.c748ec261199379d0b450b74f9f0545c.jpg

So how to read this graph.....

It is based on the percentage difference in average attendances between the two clubs.  A blue bar means the gas were better supported that year, a red bar City were better supported. The size of the bar indicates the percentage difference in attendance.

For each year there is data (back to 1921, but none through WWII) I worked out the difference in attendance as a percentage of the lower of the two attendances - essentially what this figure tells you is how much the lower attended club would have needed to increase their own attendance to match the better supported club that year.

As an example last year we averaged 19256 and the blue few averaged 9302 - the difference is 9954, and that equates to an extra 107% deluded half-wits they would have needed to find (and fit into their dump) to have matched us.

 

Some observations....

Since England won the world cup just over 50 years ago rovers have had a higher average attendance once! 

Only on 6 occasions would we have needed a greater than 10% increase on our attendance in a season to match them 

There are 71 occasions where rovers would have needed a greater than 10% increase to match us

City have never needed to make up 50% or more to reach rovers attendance

On 21 occasions we have more than doubled their attendance (all figures >100% on the graph)

 

 

 

 

That, my good man, is a great piece of work! Needs to be made into a poster and sold in the club shop! I'd buy one.

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1 hour ago, Cheesleysmate said:

For AWAY support they are top every year....according to them. It's all about AWAY support....They even wrote a book on it! These stats are of Zero interest to Gasheads. They are the most amazingly AWAY supported team in the country....Well, they are in the top one anyway!

 

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apt second name don't you think.

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11 hours ago, cityal said:

 

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Mate this is superb work, I’ve been waiting for someone to do this. I was going to have a go myself but lack of technical skill and time got in the way.  If we can combine it with league position and away attendances then we should get some billboards printed up for Gloucester rd.  end of argument 

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30 minutes ago, myol'man said:

At a Christmas social last night attended by a few who claim to have insider knowledge of Bristol football, I heard two rumours which even if only slightly true would make VERY worrying reading to the blue few;

1 , They don't own the Colony training ground site, it's on lease and haven't paid the rent for 3 months, ground workers are about to be ordered off site.

2, They have had to take out a short term loan to pay the players.

:gasmask: 

Henbury Gas, we know you read this thread on a daily basis, what have you heard?

 

Dwayne Colony own the training ground from what we were told. That they are not paying people is possible, but they do own it.

There was something wrong with the player wages, even some of the Rovers fans mentioned it, but they got shot down for the "rumour" as apparently if you don't know 100% of the facts then it makes everything you say a lie and your Ted scum trying to rock the boat.

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1 hour ago, Cheesleysmate said:

For AWAY support they are top every year....according to them. It's all about AWAY support....They even wrote a book on it! These stats are of Zero interest to Gasheads. They are the most amazingly AWAY supported team in the country....Well, they are in the top one anyway!

 

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9 minutes ago, pillred said:

apt second name don't you think.

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3 hours ago, semblar said:

So they could technically claim that there were 6 consecutive years where we didn't have larger attendances than them? Darn it, der Gas are just the hugest club and we have no hope of bettering them.....

I can’t see where they had larger attendances than us for 6 consecutive years on that graph?! Leave the exaggerating to that lot!

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I can’t see where they had larger attendances than us for 6 consecutive years on that graph?! Leave the exaggerating to that lot!

They didn't have larger attendances though - both  were zero  for six years due to WW2 (so omitted in the graph). My apologies for not applying the seemingly obligatory #Gaslogic at the end of the comment :ph34r: 

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1 hour ago, RedRaw said:

Looks even better in this format.....

 

 

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:yes: Indeed it does - I will try and improve the graphics and repost over the weekend when I have some time 

I am thinking now of some other infographics and charts I could make once in a while - what i would need though is factual data sources to generate them. I guess there are a few books and stuff with some of this data - however I am hesitant to type something like "Bristol Rovers official History" into a browser for fear of getting profiled as a gashead by Google, Amazon etc and linked with titles like "Boob Cricket: Rules and Regualtions", "The Dummies guide to being a racist"  and "Horse punching for beginners" 

On a serious note if anyone knows of any reliable away attendance datasets I could look at debunking the whole "travelling away in massive numbers, its what we do"  bullshit

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4 hours ago, Cheesleysmate said:

For AWAY support they are top every year....according to them. It's all about AWAY support....They even wrote a book on it! These stats are of Zero interest to Gasheads. They are the most amazingly AWAY supported team in the country....Well, they are in the top one anyway!

 

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Presumably this doesn't include their embarrassing humiliating FA Cup defeats over the years? Thinking about it with that title, not so much a book as a leaflet...

Surname couldn't be any more apt, could it? :facepalm:

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2 minutes ago, BanburyRed said:

Presumably this doesn't include their embarrassing humiliating FA Cup defeats over the years? Thinking about it with that title, not so much a book as a leaflet...

Surname couldn't be any more apt, could it? :facepalm:

to be fair, they are the worthington cup qualifiering round runners up, that is one thing they have over us, we've never missed the league cup while still being a league club

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28 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

it was taken at wycombe, he's celebrating staying up 

"And now you're gonna believe us (NO WE'RE NOT) and now you're gonna believe us (NO WE'RE NOT) and now you're gonna believe us (NO WE'RE NOT) the Gas are staying up (NO YOU'RE NOT!)"......

Still they never learned because a few seasons later it was....

"And now you're gonna believe us (NO WE'RE NOT) and now you're gonna believe us (NO WE'RE NOT) and now you're gonna believe us (NO WE'RE NOT) the SHIT ARE GOING DOWN (NO WE'RE NOT!)"......

No doubt they will prematurely ejaculate this again in the future and make themselves the laughing stock of the West once again!

#Thegiftthatkeepsongiving

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Next in line (a day early as the Mrs. is dragging me Christmas shopping tomorrow! )

Gillingham away, owned by our friend Paul Scally, who kindly sent us Tiny Penis free of charge.

Gillingham is a small town in Dorset for any of the few who are travelling, easy trip, should be thousands locked out.

In the Gills squad should be our old mate Scott Wagstaff.

Waggy has restyled himself as a tramp in honour of R*vers greatest ever homeless player :clap:

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2 hours ago, cityal said:

:yes: Indeed it does - I will try and improve the graphics and repost over the weekend when I have some time 

I am thinking now of some other infographics and charts I could make once in a while - what i would need though is factual data sources to generate them. I guess there are a few books and stuff with some of this data - however I am hesitant to type something like "Bristol Rovers official History" into a browser for fear of getting profiled as a gashead by Google, Amazon etc and linked with titles like "Boob Cricket: Rules and Regualtions", "The Dummies guide to being a racist"  and "Horse punching for beginners" 

On a serious note if anyone knows of any reliable away attendance datasets I could look at debunking the whole "travelling away in massive numbers, its what we do"  bullshit

Don't give all your secrets away Cityal - you might find you get hooked on this stuff and have enough material to write a book on it. I find there is surprisingly little comprehensive and accurate and up to date material out there.

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Football League club Gillingham is in north Kent, it’s one of the Medway towns. A difficult place to get to  as I discovered when I saw us play there.

There is another Gillingham which is in the South of England (possibly Dorset). I remember it as I saw my first Bristol City match when we played them in the FA Cup 1st round on 5 November 1960 (I think). We won 11-0 (a club record) with John Atyeo scoring 5 goals 

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43 minutes ago, myol'man said:

Next in line (a day early as the Mrs. is dragging me Christmas shopping tomorrow! )

Gillingham away, owned by our friend Paul Scally, who kindly sent us Tiny Penis free of charge.

Gillingham is a small town in Dorset for any of the few who are travelling, easy trip, should be thousands locked out.

In the Gills squad should be our old mate Scott Wagstaff.

Waggy has restyled himself as a tramp in honour of R*vers greatest ever homeless player :clap:

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It would seem your humorous post, just like sparrows and the late Chris Crowe, has flown over the heads of some on here. 

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13 minutes ago, nick jones of hereford said:

Football League club Gillingham is in north Kent, it’s one of the Medway towns. A difficult place to get to  as I discovered when I saw us play there.

There is another Gillingham which is in the South of England (possibly Dorset). I remember it as I saw my first Bristol City match when we played them in the FA Cup 1st round on 5 November 1960 (I think). We won 11-0 (a club record) with John Atyeo scoring 5 goals 

Yep, the other Gillingham is in Dorset.

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40 minutes ago, nick jones of hereford said:

Football League club Gillingham is in north Kent, it’s one of the Medway towns. A difficult place to get to  as I discovered when I saw us play there.

There is another Gillingham which is in the South of England (possibly Dorset). I remember it as I saw my first Bristol City match when we played them in the FA Cup 1st round on 5 November 1960 (I think). We won 11-0 (a club record) with John Atyeo scoring 5 goals 

I think this may have been against Chichester not Gillingham. I was there but just 12 years old.

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Just now, cityal said:

:yes: Indeed it does - I will try and improve the graphics and repost over the weekend when I have some time 

I am thinking now of some other infographics and charts I could make once in a while - what i would need though is factual data sources to generate them. I guess there are a few books and stuff with some of this data - however I am hesitant to type something like "Bristol Rovers official History" into a browser for fear of getting profiled as a gashead by Google, Amazon etc and linked with titles like "Boob Cricket: Rules and Regualtions", "The Dummies guide to being a racist"  and "Horse punching for beginners" 

On a serious note if anyone knows of any reliable away attendance datasets I could look at debunking the whole "travelling away in massive numbers, its what we do"  bullshit

can we have it as a pie chart, just so I can see the little slice they have.

 

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7 hours ago, Cheesleysmate said:

For AWAY support they are top every year....according to them. It's all about AWAY support....They even wrote a book on it! These stats are of Zero interest to Gasheads. They are the most amazingly AWAY supported team in the country....Well, they are in the top one anyway!

 

 

The irony......  they are in the financial mire and they boast about their away support, whilst I’m sure the team like the travelling support, all it does is financially benefit their opponents, not putting a single penny in their coffers.  Keep it up!!

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When are people going to realise that whether you are rose tinted, happy clapping or the most miserable b----d around we are never going to see anything other than a few touches of paint and new toilet facilities at the Mem. Just look at the number of people that were employed to design a NEW STADIUM only to, in one day make the decision to scrap it and give up. We had the person who designed Wembley stadium employed for quite a while and I have just now given up on our owners producing anything. Why should they do anything at the Mem when they told us in no uncertain terms that a development of the Mem was a no goer and yet when news of their failure to secure UWE failed suddenly it became our Plan B. look out its nearly Christmas so Plan C Santas Grotto will soon be realised!!
 

As far as i am concerned the Mem is still a no goer, if it did get done, which I sincerly think it wont, the infra structure around the ground will make it a  nightmare to operate. 

At the blue diamond Christmas I asked  Mr Hamer if the club were still looking for land to build a stadium, he being the politition he is gave an  answer that, as usual, said nothing. When I told him of the land becoming available in Severnside, over a 1000 acres of land for development, He said is it free it was blatently ovious that he knew nothing about it, so what does that tell you? 

If I can find that and the details of the agreement between Bristol and south Glos council, that is a matter of record, in 5 minutes of surfing, it just shows to me that they are not even looking.

Before any posters complain that they dont want a stadium there, well if it was a choice between that or a revamped Mem I know which I would prefer.

Its not really a matter of where the land is, what matters it he didnt know about it.And would want it for free.





 

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1 hour ago, nick jones of hereford said:

Football League club Gillingham is in north Kent, it’s one of the Medway towns. A difficult place to get to  as I discovered when I saw us play there.

There is another Gillingham which is in the South of England (possibly Dorset). I remember it as I saw my first Bristol City match when we played them in the FA Cup 1st round on 5 November 1960 (I think). We won 11-0 (a club record) with John Atyeo scoring 5 goals 

You got the score and the exact date correct, but alas we were playing Chichester in the FA Cup that day....

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

You got the score and the exact date correct, but alas we were playing Chichester in the FA Cup that day....

 

1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Well, hardly alas, because we won 11-0!

Yes I stand corrected. It was Chichester. 

My memory tells me that my next match was against Dartford in the second round. We won 8-2.

my third match was in the League against Notts County. We won that match 6-0 scoring all our goals in the first half.... so at the end I commented on the lack of goals. 

Happy days 

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12 minutes ago, nick jones of hereford said:

 

Yes I stand corrected. It was Chichester. 

My memory tells me that my next match was against Dartford in the second round. We won 8-2.

my third match was in the League against Notts County. We won that match 6-0 scoring all our goals in the first half.... so at the end I commented on the lack of goals. 

Happy days 

You had better start coming again!!:whistle:

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9 hours ago, Cheesleysmate said:

For AWAY support they are top every year....according to them. It's all about AWAY support....They even wrote a book on it! These stats are of Zero interest to Gasheads. They are the most amazingly AWAY supported team in the country....Well, they are in the top one anyway!

 

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Seriously though, how many people actually buy this sort of "book"?

50?

Who wants to read shite like "remember that time we took 500 to Leyton Orient & we drew 1-1"?

The definition of minority interest..

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2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Seriously though, how many people actually buy this sort of "book"?

50?

Who wants to read shite like "remember that time we took 500 to Leyton Orient & we drew 1-1"?

The definition of minority interest..

50 want to buy it, but the print run will be just 1.

It's the publishing equivalent of being locked out.

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20 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

50 want to buy it, but the print run will be just 1.

It's the publishing equivalent of being locked out.

All joking aside I would have thought if any club did a book like this most fans of that club would enjoy it. Everyone has a favourite away day and memories like that are the ones that you will take to the grave. 

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31 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

All joking aside I would have thought if any club did a book like this most fans of that club would enjoy it. Everyone has a favourite away day and memories like that are the ones that you will take to the grave. 

Should start a thread on this subject.  I shall never forget Coventry away at Highfield Road for as long as I live.  The game that nobody wanted to win.

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