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24 minutes ago, bert tann said:

 

Pity Val Doonican has passed on he did a catchy version of Walk Small about old Nicholas

And for the recently departed Tramp he might have reprised 'Elusive Gutterfly'....

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On 25/05/2019 at 10:21, Eddie Hitler said:

Does £16m look like a reasonable purchase price for a Division 3 club with its own ground worth maybe £12m

It would be interesting to see what the ground valuation is and when it was last reviewed (there are good reasons why regularly reviewing isn't a good idea.)

Clearly there's unlikely to be buyer for a sports stadium so with change of use and consequential CIL and S106 liabilities any gross value might likely be significantly reduced.

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59 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

It would be interesting to see what the ground valuation is and when it was last reviewed (there are good reasons why regularly reviewing isn't a good idea.)

Clearly there's unlikely to be buyer for a sports stadium so with change of use and consequential CIL and S106 liabilities any gross value might likely be significantly reduced.

From memory Sainsbury's valued the land at about , or at least offered £20m ish. If I remember correctly , this was four times what it was valued as housing development land.

As an aside, a mate who works at the UWE is convinced that talks are on going for the new stadium. Not sure if this is Wael just trying to make the club a better prospect for purchase, or there is a real chance. To me it seems odd for a club to sign away an asset , just so they could rent again. Just as strange for the UWE to build a stadium or donate the land to a football club. It does feel a little like Wael is trying to polish a turd to get interest in them.

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2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

From memory Sainsbury's valued the land at about , or at least offered £20m ish

Agree and key being that they soon realised it was worth nothing near given the change in the market. On residential development CIL/S106 can take as much as 40% of the enhanced value to the developer. I was once responsible for a B1 property with a book value of £12m which, when revalued for potential sui generis occupation, dropped to £7m. So a £12m book price stadium is likely to be worth far less as a residential land proposition.

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Appreciate and not criticising your posting BTRFTG , but plebs like me get easily confused and so here are the results of my Googling to try and understand your valued input:

Sui Generis Law and Legal Definition. Sui generis is a Latin term which means of its own kind/genus. It is something that is unique in its characteristics. The expression is often used in analytic philosophy to indicate an idea, an entity, or a reality which cannot be included in a wider concept

What is a section 106?

Planning obligations, also known as Section 106 agreements (based on that section of The 1990 Town & Country Planning Act) are private agreements made between local authorities and developers and can be attached to a planning permission to make acceptable development which would otherwise be unacceptable in planning 
 
What is a CIL?
 
The Community Infrastructure Levy (CIL) is a charge that local authorities can set on new development in order to raise funds to help fund the infrastructure, facilities and services - such as schools or transport improvements - which are needed to support new homes and businesses in the areas.
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16 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

Agree and key being that they soon realised it was worth nothing near given the change in the market. On residential development CIL/S106 can take as much as 40% of the enhanced value to the developer. I was once responsible for a B1 property with a book value of £12m which, when revalued for potential sui generis occupation, dropped to £7m. So a £12m book price stadium is likely to be worth far less as a residential land proposition.

Does anyone know the acreage of the Mem ? The nature of the residential development (if that is what will be most acceptable alternative use to the planners and professional opposers) will determine the value.

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29 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Does anyone know the acreage of the Mem ? The nature of the residential development (if that is what will be most acceptable alternative use to the planners and professional opposers) will determine the value.

Total site is 3.3 Hectares.

Under the lapsed consents Sainsbury's, in addition to funding local roadworks, were liable for @£1.2m of CIL contributions and had to hand over 40% of the proposed residential developments as affordable housing.

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1 hour ago, BCFC11 said:

???

I don't even want to imagine what the hell would go on at a 'Gasfest'

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1 hour ago, BCFC11 said:

???

I don't even want to imagine what the hell would go on at a 'Gasfest'

Image result for tramps convention

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2 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

Total site is 3.3 Hectares.

Under the lapsed consents Sainsbury's, in addition to funding local roadworks, were liable for @£1.2m of CIL contributions and had to hand over 40% of the proposed residential developments as affordable housing.

Blimey be interesting to see how much affordable housing the council would try for across the whole site.

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12 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Blimey be interesting to see how much affordable housing the council would try for across the whole site.

Norm is equivalent value of 40% of increase in asset value for the permission. It's a massive, 'hidden' tax that few have cottoned onto. You buy a new build house/flat and 40% goes straight to the local authority to subsidise social and affordable housing.

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16 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Norm is equivalent value of 40% of increase in asset value for the permission. It's a massive, 'hidden' tax that few have cottoned onto. You buy a new build house/flat and 40% goes straight to the local authority to subsidise social and affordable housing.

Be an interesting stand off methinks if it ever goes down the planning route because a developer will need a higher proportion of market value units to cover the cost of the acquisition of the site plus normal profit. This ain't exactly a greenfield site with hope value.

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1 hour ago, SirColinOfMansfield said:

 

Wow! Looks like the value of the Mem has just doubled ...

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Is that for real? Whatever do they need a screen that big for? Are they moving their drive-in nights from the car park to the pitch?

Mind you, Babestation is going to look pretty damn impressive on it!

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28 minutes ago, Rich said:

Hope they've got planning permission for that. Very close to those houses.

Now that would be a serious gift if that had to come down - who is going to find out then........

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8 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Now that would be a serious gift if that had to come down - who is going to find out then........

The only PP is for the retrospective application for the erection/replacement of their new stands, which they forgot to apply for last year. Not sure if PP is required for the TV screen, I would guess that it is, so no current application is visible on the council Planning site. Surely they'd have learned from the last time?

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10 minutes ago, cityal said:

I was wondering if their right to light was impeded by the screen too.

Looks like it is, and they have an historic right to that light. It might be further away than it looks though and the angle of light is very important to consider as well. Very complicated laws to interpret just from a picture.

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3 hours ago, SirColinOfMansfield said:

 

Wow! Looks like the value of the Mem has just doubled ...

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First game of the season, whoever they sign to play up front is very liable to smash a gert big hole in that, as he races through, one on one with the keeper..!

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17 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

First game of the season, whoever they sign to play up front is very liable to smash a gert big hole in that, as he races through, one on one with the keeper..!

Then they'd be awarded a penalty and the keeper sent off. All in the first five minutes.

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9 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

It's getting slightly depressing reading their board.  All the clever kids have wised up to the absolute shambles thast is the current ownership and the absolute weapon that is Henbury Gas.

All the clever kids? Come on.....there ain't that many!

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4 hours ago, SirColinOfMansfield said:

 

Wow! Looks like the value of the Mem has just doubled ...

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Look how close it is to the turnip patch.

It might not look so good after their top striker Nicholls has had a few shots

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41 minutes ago, zippycar said:

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Looks like it replaces an advertising "whore"ding

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... which was clearly erected out of pure spite and desperation to block the view of the pitch from the house opposite (thereby inadvertently adding thousands to its value) and force the occupants to buy tickets should they inexplicably want to see the shitfest being served up on the other side.

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13 minutes ago, Porto Red said:

... which was clearly erected out of pure spite and desperation to block the view of the pitch from the house opposite (thereby inadvertently adding thousands to its value) and force the occupants to buy tickets should they inexplicably want to see the shitfest being served up on the other side.

I heard the local residents themselves paid for it to obscure views of the ‘stadium’.

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51 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said:

If they don’t lodge accounts within a specific time period, the Crown can take ownership of their remaining assets, I think!

It also means the title (name) of the entity struck off becomes available should one wish to acquire it....

Just imagine....

 

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1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

So someone could register all variations, bar BRFC2015?

You can't attempt to 'pass off' or 'interfere' with a registered entity but once struck off they cease to exist hence the title once again becomes available. 

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6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

It also means the title (name) of the entity struck off becomes available should one wish to acquire it....

Just imagine....

 

Does that mean I could potentially open a gimp pornography store and call it Bristol Rovers FC?

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On 17/05/2019 at 14:17, Mattyisared said:

Something I've found quite comedic that hasn't been mentioned on this thread whatsoever is Rovers and Coventry.

 

Last summer, Rovers signed the Coventry head of recruitment Tommy Widdrington. In that summer they also brought in his son Theo Widdrington after he was released by Portsmouth.

 

On deadline day in January, Rovers signed two Coventry cast-offs. One that was not wanted anymore in Jonson Clarke-Harris and the other who had been released by Coventry, Abu Ogogo. Although to be fair to them they seem to have been decent signings, Clarke-Harris especially.

 

They're now linked to two Coventry centre-backs, and apparently want both. Both not wanted at Coventry anymore; Jack Grimmer and Tom Davies.

 

Considering Coventry are a team that Rovers didn't even lose to this season, it seems hilarious they're signing their cast-offs. And so many of them!

Don’t go there when we constantly try to rape Barnsley!

On 26/05/2019 at 10:08, Port Said Red said:

True but sometimes customers want to meet face to face, my wife goes to London roughly once a month for this. We can all see why Wael of Fortune would prefer to meet people in a London office, rather than the Mem.

Did someone say “Wael of Fortune”?.......

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On 27/05/2019 at 18:10, Rudolf Hucker said:

Gastonbury. :noexp:

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1 hour ago, LastManStanding said:

 

 

??Please god.....I’ve got Andrea Bocelli and Sarah Brightman “Time to say Goodbye” lined up ready......

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12 minutes ago, Wanderingred said:

Does that mean I could potentially open a gimp pornography store and call it Bristol Rovers FC?

You could register Bristol Rovers FC as a ( Fetish Club) as this is clearly not a football enterprise, though I'd argue is essentially the same as that on offer in Horfield. Alternatively, you could register the football club title for the operation of your new Sunday football XI, and provided you didn't attempt to pass yourself off as the previous enterprise you might be ok. If successful you could object should The Gas attempt to re-register under a similar name.

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10 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

It's getting slightly depressing reading their board.  All the clever kids have wised up to the absolute shambles thast is the current ownership and the absolute weapon that is Henbury Gas.

Dunno EH there were still a fair few on that thread about losses who were maintaining that flogging the ground without a replacement stadium in place within the city boundary was "a joke"

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Bristol Fruit Market, just saying .............?

 

 

Ok who's on the wind up.

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Notices for compulsory strike off now filed for all six companies.  Oops.

04 Jun 2019 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off
This document is being processed and will be available in 5 days.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04501223/filing-history

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/0LDRyv0FHc5F1nh-l2JZbHm77O8/appointments

 

Whilst the active companies aren't going to be struck off, though they may let the dormant ones with no assets go, this will be absolutely hammering their credit rating.  Accounts not filed, active proposal to strike off.  This is flashing big red danger signs to any suppliers which is going to mean cash up front for services and so more loan drawdowns.

This is really no way to run a football club.

 

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3 hours ago, East End Old Boy said:

If they don’t lodge accounts within a specific time period, the Crown can take ownership of their remaining assets, I think!

Why would the crown want to take ownership of some secondhand tents and a load of debt..?! 

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