Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

[BTRFTG]

6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Wael's inaction regards Joey's antics can hardly come as a surprise given he's from a country that is anti-Israel, and despite being more progressive than most in the region, is still a country where women are treated as second class citizens. 

Strange that as the times I've been there, certainly post the end of war peace treaty, Jordan (along with Egypt) have been Israel's staunchest ally in the Arabic world. Probably because economic and security protections their treaties provide are of mutual benefit in a volatile region.

You'd also struggle to gain the impression woman are second class citizens in Jordan, though like their male counterparts if you're a migrant worker you're not rated that highly. Sharia Law has aspects not seen in this country since the 18th century but it's impacts aren't widespread in a daily context.

[BTRFTG]

13 minutes ago, Stortz said:

When somebody shows you what they are, you should always believe them. Hence, sad and unfortunate.

I won't debate it with you any further, we'll let your own words speak for you.

Well, that's cleared things up.....

[LondonBristolian]

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

For sure I do. The Jewish Nation has revised history for centuries and continue so to do till today. Why else might they experience such hostility?

At least we now know why you are defending anti-Semitism. I am guessing the next step for you is claiming that your inaccurate sweeping generalisations about Jewish people aren’t anti-Semitic either. You will be wrong to say so when you predictably do.

[Bar BS3]

54 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

You posed a question which I answered. An answer which is neither sad or unfortunate. Pretty much all the Jewish comment I've seen incorrectly references what they believe Barton said not that he said. In the case of the woeful Abrahams he posted his comment under a clip of the original interview. He proclaims himself a reporter (sic) yet somehow misquotes Barton saying something the video proves was never said.

Like Barton I imagine this was an honest mistake by an ignorant person. I don't see Abrahams' head being called for though.

Personally, I think you are completely missing the point. 

I'd imagine that very few people are condemning the quote, in direct relation to solidarity with the Jewish community. 

I'd think that most are simply condemning the comparison of one of the worst atrocities to have happened in all of history, to a bad performance on a football pitch. 

It wouldn't surprise me if Barton was thick enough to think he was being clever, or amusing, by selecting such a comparison. He's always using big words, that don't actually fit with what he's saying, but he seems to think make him sound a little more intellectual than he is. 

Nobody would accidentally use the term as a slip of a tongue example - he must use it as a term to describe something bad, thinking its appropriate. 

It's not, he's a grade A bellend and their handling of the whole situation has been an embarrassing (for them) farce..! 

 

[BrightCiderLife]

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

I'd agree that editing the video was a woeful mistake by The Gas media team, they should have left it up in its full glory so as reinforce the tongue-tied thug was speaking garbage, not referencing an event imagined by many.

 

Would you like the opportunity to clarify what you meant to say here as I think I know what you’re saying but I hope I’m mistaken? 

[BrightCiderLife]

6 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

Those clamouring for Barton's sacrificial offering might be so kind as to provide a comprehensive list of words, any of which if accidentally and incorrectly used in a single utterance, might automatically demand an individual or organisation's 'cancellation'.

Those who misquote Barton, interpret what they'd like to think he said, or pretend his use of the word holocaust might be construed as making sense within the context of what he said, reveal far more about themselves than the thuggish lowlife they wish cancelled.

Whilst language changes and adapts history should not and must not be rewritten. I see the tw*t Abrahams seeking publicity, others referencing an imagined impact on the Jewish Community. History highlights that multiple cultures across the globe have their own terms for sacrificial offerings, the Jewish have their own but that isn't Holocaust, that word being appropriated from The Greeks and I don't see many referencing Barton alienating the owners of tavernas the length of Gloucester Road, all burning their souvlski to a crisp.  The word isn't Jewish, it isn't owned by the Jewish race or for their exclusive use, though like the West Bank many like to think it is.

I’m not sure getting into the etymology is of any assistance. The word he used brings to mind a very particular atrocity which is of no comparison to a footballer not being on form. It is that comparison which is offensive (if you need me to spell it out, millions of deaths are not the same as a few misplaced passes). It is not to do with any specific religions, races or creeds, but straight forward decency.

I don’t see many on here calling for him to be sacked as a result, people are simply saying what he said was crass and he should apologise for the (unintentional, perhaps) offence he has caused.
 

You and others might call it woke, or cancel culture but it’s really just about thinking before you speak and not saying things that any right minded people would say are wrong and inappropriate. His and the club’s failure to apologise is by this point worse than him ranting without thinking. A quick tweet clarifying he didn’t mean it on Saturday evening would have dealt with it, now it looks like he/they think the comparison between their player’s loss of form and the systematic murder and torture of millions is a fair one. They are wrong to think so and are rightly criticised for it. 

[TheReds]

1 hour ago, BrightCiderLife said:

Would you like the opportunity to clarify what you meant to say here as I think I know what you’re saying but I hope I’m mistaken? 

Certainly not saying the Holocaust was an imagined event, unsure how you have got to that conclusion, unless I am completely mistaken.

As in words being offensive etc, and how language has changed, it has gone so crazy now that I wouldn't be surprised of any single word being banned/offensive as we now have people/organisations that have completely lost the plot when it comes to language and offense. When people are getting offended by the words woman, mother, breastfeeding etc etc then we are in serious trouble.

[RedHienz]

1 hour ago, BrightCiderLife said:

Would you like the opportunity to clarify what you meant to say here as I think I know what you’re saying but I hope I’m mistaken? 

Its very clear they are referring to what first comes to mind when the word holocaust is used.

Fml.

[GreedyHarry]

Blinking’ heck, we’re getting dragged down to their level with this debate. Sure this was a thread for taking the P out of Rovers, not for debating extreme politics. Cue attacks from all sides. 

Edited October 26, 2021 by GreedyHarry

[BTRFTG]

1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

At least we now know why you are defending anti-Semitism. I am guessing the next step for you is claiming that your inaccurate sweeping generalisations about Jewish people aren’t anti-Semitic either. You will be wrong to say so when you predictably do.

Thanks for telling me who or what I am.

I'll simply leave it by saying the modern state of Israel is, de facto, based on Zionist Revisionism, hence my point about revisionists.

But that's the point. Change history and, well, who knows what one might become?

[BTRFTG]

1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'd think that most are simply condemning the comparison of one of the worst atrocities to have happened in all of history, to a bad performance on a football pitch. 

Yawn, save he didn't do that.....

But what's the truth when all that matters is political posing?

[BTRFTG]

1 hour ago, BrightCiderLife said:

Would you like the opportunity to clarify what you meant to say here as I think I know what you’re saying but I hope I’m mistaken? 

Good point. The imagined event being Barton conflating a footballer's performance with The Holocaust, not the fact that atrocity existed.

[Bar BS3]

4 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Yawn, save he didn't do that.....

But what's the truth when all that matters is political posing?

Eh..? 

No idea what you're on about now. 

[Red Army 75]

Remember when rovers got relegated to the conference. How we laughed 

[LondonBristolian]

6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Thanks for telling me who or what I am.

I'll simply leave it by saying the modern state of Israel is, de facto, based on Zionist Revisionism, hence my point about revisionists.

But that's the point. Change history and, well, who knows what one might become?

If you post anti-Semitic stuff, you are going to be called anti-Semitic. If Barton makes trite and offensive comparisons of his team’s performance to the genocide of six million people, he’s going to be called trite and offensive.

How have we reached a point in society where people are utterly incapable of taking responsibility for their words and actions and instead blame everyone else?

[GreedyHarry]

2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Remember when rovers got relegated to the conference. How we laughed 

And at their grotto.

[RedHienz]

Just now, GreedyHarry said:

And at their grotto.

With a team wearing their cats 

[BTRFTG]

1 hour ago, BrightCiderLife said:

’m not sure getting into the etymology is of any assistance. The word he used brings to mind a very particular atrocity which is of no comparison to a footballer not being on form.

Partly agree, but it goes to the root of what one chooses to perceive, not what's actually said.  It's Meta Vs Para language. Barton's particular choice of word made no sense. You can see him struggling to think of something to say, he plucks the word 'holocaust' from somewhere but contextually it's meaningless. He might have said 'hologram' but a player can't have one of those either.

Reading these posts it's now fact Barton said: "The Holocaust;" matters not he didn't.

[BTRFTG]

7 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

If you post anti-Semitic stuff, you are going to be called anti-Semitic. If Barton makes trite and offensive comparisons of his team’s performance to the genocide of six million people, he’s going to be called trite and offensive.

How have we reached a point in society where people are utterly incapable of taking responsibility for their words and actions and instead blame everyone else?

Care to explain how and where I've demonstrated (your perceived) anti-Semitism?

But as you've again reiterated an untruth about Barton, ( go on, reference exactly where he conflated genocide,) you have demonstrated the problem with modern society? A society in which people are utterly incapable of informing and articulating their own thoughts, or perchance are afraid so to do, thus present as intellectual sheep.

And all because an inarticulate thug used an inappropriate word. Butterflies and wheels ...

[Bar BS3]

8 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Partly agree, but it goes to the root of what one chooses to perceive, not what's actually said.  It's Meta Vs Para language. Barton's particular choice of word made no sense. You can see him struggling to think of something to say, he plucks the word 'holocaust' from somewhere but contextually it's meaningless. He might have said 'hologram' but a player can't have one of those either.

Reading these posts it's now fact Barton said: "The Holocaust;" matters not he didn't.

"A holocaust", "The Holocaust"... Do you really think that someone who's dense enough to use that as a descriptive term for a teams performance, has really gathered the background knowledge on the difference between the 2 subtle differences...? 

I'd think not and he's just an idiot who'd thought he'd come up with a "clever/original" way of describing someing as really bad. 

The bloke is a knob and I think you credit him with far more insight than he deserves. 

[LondonBristolian]

5 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Care to explain how and where I've demonstrated (your perceived) anti-Semitism?

But as you've again reiterated an untruth about Barton, ( go on, reference exactly where he conflated genocide,) you have demonstrated the problem with modern society? A society in which people are utterly incapable of informing and articulating their own thoughts, or perchance are afraid so to do, thus present as intellectual sheep.

And all because an inarticulate thug used an inappropriate word. Butterflies and wheels ...

If you need someone to explain to you how making inaccurate sweeping negative generalisations about Jewish people is anti-Semitism then you may need to invest in a dictionary.

If you can’t understand how describing a poor performance in a football match with a word which is rarely used by itself except in reference to the murder of six million people is conflating genocide then you may need a history lesson.

But I don’t think you need either of those things. I think you need to grow up and learn skills in self-reflection.

[Bar BS3]

2 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Care to explain how and where I've demonstrated (your perceived) anti-Semitism?

But as you've again reiterated an untruth about Barton, ( go on, reference exactly where he conflated genocide,) you have demonstrated the problem with modern society? A society in which people are utterly incapable of informing and articulating their own thoughts, or perchance are afraid so to do, thus present as intellectual sheep.

And all because an inarticulate thug used an inappropriate word. Butterflies and wheels ...

Tell you what... Why don't you tell us what possible reasoning you have to believe that JB was referring to anything other than the same Holocaust as everyone else has taken him to be referencing in his interview....? 

You really think that that plank carefully selected the exact choice of his words, to carefully, but clearly, differentiate between the dictionary definition (which wouldn't actually make sense, with what he was trying to get across) or what everyone else has heard and taken issue with..?! 

It's only you, trying to come across as some accedimic linguist, who is making excuses for what he said. Not, I suspect, with any validation, other than to point out that you know the difference between "a holocaust" & "The Holocaust" 

I'd wager good money on it that JB didn't know the difference, when he made such stupid reference, in relation to his football teams performance..! 

[Banjo Island]

24 minutes ago, GreedyHarry said:

And at their grotto.

They are preparing the tinsel and baloons as we speak

[Bar BS3]

1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

If you need someone to explain to you how making inaccurate sweeping negative generalisations about Jewish people is anti-Semitism then you may need to invest in a dictionary.

If you can’t understand how describing a poor performance in a football match with a word which is rarely used by itself except in reference to the murder of six million people is conflating genocide then you may need a history lesson.

But I don’t think you need either of those things. I think you need to grow up and learn skills in self-reflection.

@BTRFTG seems to be getting turned on by the fact that he has identified that JB said "A holocaust" not "THE Holocaust' and trying to defend him on the basis that they aren't reference to the same thing..!

I'm not sure if he's being anti anything, or just making himself looks silly by being a literal smart arse.....

Either way, he appears to be talking shite, and JB knew full well what he was referring to, without realising the reaction he was going to create by it - because he's a bloody idiot..! 

[LondonBristolian]

Just now, Bar BS3 said:

@BTRFTG seems to be getting turned on by the fact that he has identified that JB said "A holocaust" not "THE Holocaust' and trying to defend him on the basis that they aren't reference to the same thing..!

I'm not sure if he's being anti anything, or just making himself looks silly by being a literal smart arse.....

Either way, he appears to be talking shite, and JB knew full well what he was referring to, without realising the reaction he was going to create by it - because he's a bloody idiot..! 

Oh I get all that. The issue with it is that - as you say - it is utter nonsense.

It is like trying to defend someone who has insulted someone’s mother by saying “no, he genuinely mistook her for a female dog. He had no idea there was another definition…”

[HitchinRed]

One might suggest that, had Joey Barton genuinely intended to use the term ‘holocaust’ in its literal sense, then he would have been happy to clarify this and apologise for any unintended offense taken from any misunderstanding.

Unfortunately, he hasn’t.

Edited October 26, 2021 by HitchinRed

[Bar BS3]

2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Oh I get all that. The issue with it is that - as you say - it is utter nonsense.

It is like trying to defend someone who has insulted someone’s mother by saying “no, he genuinely mistook her for a female dog. He had no idea there was another definition…”

Absolutely! 

His defence is clearly just him wanting to take some high ground and puff his chest out, so that we all sit in awe at his knowledge of the subtle difference between the 2 possibilities. 

His knowledge is impressive - his belief that JB knew, or meant the difference, makes him look almost a foolish as JB himself..! 

It wouldn't surprise me if he is a lawyer, who makes a living by getting rapists & murderers off the hook on technicalities..! Well done mate, very clever - hope you feel proud...! 

[Bar BS3]

4 minutes ago, HitchinRed said:

One might suggest that, had Joey Barton genuinely intended to use the term ‘holocaust’ in its literal sense, then he would have been happy to clarify this and apologise for any unintended offense taken from any misunderstanding.

Unfortunately, he hasn’t.

Yes, I'm sure there's every possibility that JB genuinely intended to use the dictionaries definition of the phrase he used - because that would make perfect sense, in the context of his comments....!

[LondonBristolian]

9 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Absolutely! 

His defence is clearly just him wanting to take some high ground and puff his chest out, so that we all sit in awe at his knowledge of the subtle difference between the 2 possibilities. 

His knowledge is impressive - his belief that JB knew, or meant the difference, makes him look almost a foolish as JB himself..! 

It wouldn't surprise me if he is a lawyer, who makes a living by getting rapists & murderers off the hook on technicalities..! Well done mate, very clever - hope you feel proud...! 

To be honest, it is far more law student than lawyer. A lawyer would know that juries are sophisticated enough to understand the difference between the way the meaning a word is defined in a dictionary and the way meaning is understood by society.

No lawyer on Earth would bother claiming Barton was using “Holocaust” as defined in the dictionary because no jury on Earth would be taken in.

[Monkeh]

12 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

To be honest, it is far more law student than lawyer. A lawyer would know that juries are sophisticated enough to understand the difference between the way the meaning a word is defined in a dictionary and the way meaning is understood by society.

No lawyer on Earth would bother claiming Barton was using “Holocaust” as defined in the dictionary because no jury on Earth would be taken in.

Except the ones who wanted to sue Wycombe 

[42nite]

 

Looking forward to Sainsburys now!

 

 

[The Nest Egg]

Anyone else remember when half time at the Mem turned into (hopefully) Bristol's biggest Babestation watch party? 

[GreedyHarry]

18 minutes ago, 42nite said:

 

Looking forward to Sainsburys now!

 

 

Hope there’s a better….

No, that’s not my line, but brought a smile when I looked back to see the reply to your comment, and the writer.

Edited October 26, 2021 by GreedyHarry

[BTRFTG]

1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

Tell you what... Why don't you tell us what possible reasoning you have to believe that JB was referring to anything other than the same Holocaust as everyone else has taken him to be referencing in his interview....? 

You really think that that plank carefully selected the exact choice of his words, to carefully, but clearly, differentiate between the dictionary definition (which wouldn't actually make sense, with what he was trying to get across) or what everyone else has heard and taken issue with..?! 

It's only you, trying to come across as some accedimic linguist, who is making excuses for what he said. Not, I suspect, with any validation, other than to point out that you know the difference between "a holocaust" & "The Holocaust" 

I'd wager good money on it that JB didn't know the difference, when he made such stupid reference, in relation to his football teams performance..! 

If you bothered to read what I'd written (clearly you haven't,) you'd have noted it seems to me a clear case of catachresis. Barton didn't carefully select his words. You can witness him struggling to think of something to say, hence his pause, then he comes up with 'holocaust' quickly realising it's doesn't fit his sentence structure, that it's meaningless, then progresses to expound using other, meaningful and appropriate terms.

I, too, guess Barton wouldn't know a holocaust if he saw one, but neither do I think he referenced an act of genocide. Rather his 'crime' was to use the wrong word, out of context.

Now had he used the term 'shoah' things would have gotten complex....

[TheReds]

1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

Tell you what... Why don't you tell us what possible reasoning you have to believe that JB was referring to anything other than the same Holocaust as everyone else has taken him to be referencing in his interview....?

 

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

You can see him struggling to think of something to say, he plucks the word 'holocaust' from somewhere but contextually it's meaningless.

I think this is the point of what he is trying to get at unless I am mistaken.

Obviously Barton shouldn't have said it, and I think it just came out as that was the only word that came into his head for some unknown reason, when he was trying to be smart by getting in more excuses. I cannot stand the bloke and he really should have just come out and said he didn't mean it as it seems, apologise and move on (and the Club should have too). But I don't think there was any meaning behind what he said just by going by the way it came out.

[BTRFTG]

1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

If you need someone to explain to you how making inaccurate sweeping negative generalisations about Jewish people is anti-Semitism then you may need to invest in a dictionary.

Ah, couldn't find anything, could you?

[Bar BS3]

42 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

If you bothered to read what I'd written (clearly you haven't,) you'd have noted it seems to me a clear case of catachresis. Barton didn't carefully select his words. You can witness him struggling to think of something to say, hence his pause, then he comes up with 'holocaust' quickly realising it's doesn't fit his sentence structure, that it's meaningless, then progresses to expound using other, meaningful and appropriate terms.

I, too, guess Barton wouldn't know a holocaust if he saw one, but neither do I think he referenced an act of genocide. Rather his 'crime' was to use the wrong word, out of context.

Now had he used the term 'shoah' things would have gotten complex....

Ah right... I'm with you now..... 

That makes perfect sense. I've lost count of the amount of times where I've been trying to describe something and my mind has gone blank.... 

Fortunately & coincidentally, when I can't think of the word that I'm trying to fine, the work Holocaust is usually the one that springs to mind and finds its way into my narrative.... 

Oh, no, hang on a minute... No it doesn't. Ever...! 

 

I fact, I'd go so far as to say, with some confidence, that it's a word that I have never heard anyone, ever, accidentally use, or other than in specific use, related to the well accounted, historical atrocities, I don't think I've ever heard the word crop up in any conversation that I've ever had with anyone..! 

Why you'd honestly believe/kid yourself, that it's was some sort of Freudian slip is beyond me...! 

 

At best, he thought he was being clever/unique - at worst, he seems to think its OK to use as reference to something that's not very good, in terms of something as trivial as a football match. 

[LondonBristolian]

51 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Ah, couldn't find anything, could you?

You know full well I could. I replied to the post in question at the time. Stop being disingenuous.

[RedZepperin]

Anyone remember the time otib was hacked? Going back a bit. Someone on this thread made a slightly insensitive comment about Jewish people (not anti-Semitic of course) in the aftermath. 

Moving along to Bristol Rovers... here's a thought. Given that Paul Tisdale did a much better job at Rovers than Mr Barton, why did he get the sack and JB hasn't? Did he not reference the massive away support sufficiently or go on enough about the huge potential of the blue "half" of the catchment area?

[GreedyHarry]

2 minutes ago, RedZepperin said:

Anyone remember the time otib was hacked? Going back a bit. Someone on this thread made a slightly insensitive comment about Jewish people (not anti-Semitic of course) in the aftermath. 

Moving along to Bristol Rovers... here's a thought. Given that Paul Tisdale did a much better job at Rovers than Mr Barton, why did he get the sack and JB hasn't? Did he not reference the massive away support sufficiently or go on enough about the huge potential of the blue "half" of the catchment area?

It was because there was, “one of dem she’eds in da ome dug out werenit”

[Port Said Red]

6 minutes ago, RedZepperin said:

Anyone remember the time otib was hacked? Going back a bit. Someone on this thread made a slightly insensitive comment about Jewish people (not anti-Semitic of course) in the aftermath. 

Moving along to Bristol Rovers... here's a thought. Given that Paul Tisdale did a much better job at Rovers than Mr Barton, why did he get the sack and JB hasn't? Did he not reference the massive away support sufficiently or go on enough about the huge potential of the blue "half" of the catchment area?

Because Tisdale had the cheek to take a wage while Joey is treating them like a charity case and working Pro Bono?

[redsquirrel]

18 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Because Tisdale had the cheek to take a wage while Joey is treating them like a charity case and working Pro Bono?

more like his wages are being banked towards any bail money he might need.

 

i would much rather he was remembered as the rovers manager that got sent down as opposed to binned out over stupid comment

[Southport Red]

2 hours ago, TheReds said:

 

I think this is the point of what he is trying to get at unless I am mistaken.

Obviously Barton shouldn't have said it, and I think it just came out as that was the only word that came into his head for some unknown reason, when he was trying to be smart by getting in more excuses. I cannot stand the bloke and he really should have just come out and said he didn't mean it as it seems, apologise and move on (and the Club should have too). But I don't think there was any meaning behind what he said just by going by the way it came out.

That may well be the case, in which case, and soon as you can, you’d put out a statement saying it was a shocking choice of phrase and it was absolutely not your intention to cause offence. Instead, Rovers tried to airbrush the comment out of existence and nether the club, the owner or Barton themselves have admitted it was an error of judgement. Deleting that part of the video is bolting the door after the horse has bolted and gives the impression of guilt. Tinpot all round and so easily could have been avoided. 

[Bristol Rob]

One of the things that does bother me more than the answers Barton gave to his post match interview, isn't the a/the holocaust comment, but the reaction of the Club.

By deleting his comments, regardless of what he intended to say or indeed how the world would view them, is the way they re-uploaded the interview with that statement removed; and then their refusal to comment.

Sadly, and I don't say this to score points or to further any existing animosity with our neighbours, they behave like 'holocaust deniers'.

Do I think Joey said the wrong thing? Yes. 

Do I think he meant it in the way it is being portrayed? No.

Have Rovers made it worse? Absolutely.

[PHILINFRANCE]

3 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

You really think that that plank carefully selected the exact choice of his words, to carefully, but clearly, differentiate between the dictionary definition (which wouldn't actually make sense, with what he was trying to get across) or what everyone else has heard and taken issue with..?! 

It's only you who is making excuses for what he said. Not, I suspect, with any validation, other than to point out that you know the difference between "a holocaust" & "The Holocaust" 

I'd wager good money on it that JB didn't know the difference, when he made such stupid reference, in relation to his football teams performance..! 

For the record, it is not only @BTRFTG.

Whilst I would not seek to try and condone JB's extraordinarily clumsy, crass comment, surely nobody truly believes he was trying to compare his players' catastrophic football performances with the genocide of some six million people; mainly Jews, of course, but also, lest we forget, a large number of Roma, ethnic Poles, homosexuals and disabled people, i.e. a horrific, heinous act commonly known as The Holocaust (or Shoah in Hebrew {in relation to the genocide of the Jewish majority of victims}). 

I am convinced that JB, who we all know likes to portray himself as an intellectual, was merely seeking a 'big' word to explain, or expand, his description and made a semantic error, a catachresis as @BTRFTG said earlier.

What I do not understand and find difficult to excuse is the fact that neither JB nor BRFC appear to have commented, much less apologised, when surely just a few words, a simple acknowledgement that, in hindsight/upon reflection, JB's 'unfortunate' choice of words was inappropriate. 

Whilst, rightly or wrongly and for whatever reason, it is possible that neither JB nor BRFC felt an apology was warranted, I believe that, had they reacted promptly, this whole affair would have already blown over.    

[TinMan's left peg]

2 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

Ah, couldn't find anything, could you?

[BanburyRed]

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18776/club-reputation

Some gem comments in here - 

I don't profess to know much about running a football club, but one thing that seems almost blatantly obvious to me, is that recent referees, seem to be treating Rovers differently to opposition teams, a certain amount of "levelling up" as it were. I am convinced this is due to the person in charge, and the amount of grief he has given and caused within the football fraternity.

His, not the Clubs. I can't see it making much of a difference. The attendance is pretty much as it would be considering our league position, our away support is phenominal, I bet hospitality hasn't seen a dip in bookings, one Man? Ruining it?

Ah, the old 'referees are against us' line and that 'away support' thing again....

I wasn't even aware they had a 'reputation' to be honest, news to me...yet more delusion.

[BanburyRed]

On 25/10/2021 at 23:34, zippycar said:

You'd think for some one who has read Nietzsche and has shown an interest in George Orwell, Isambard Kingdom Brunel and Ernest Shackleton, he'd at least know what certain words mean before he used them. Turns out he just needed a Collins dictionary. Terrible choice of word and context.

[CiderJar]

7 hours ago, BanburyRed said:

You'd think for some one who has read Nietzsche and has shown an interest in George Orwell, Isambard Kingdom Brunel and Ernest Shackleton, he'd at least know what certain words mean before he used them. Turns out he just needed a Collins dictionary. Terrible choice of word and context.

How is he with Homer?

Just trying to lighten the mood.

[Homer Simpson]

19 minutes ago, CiderJar said:

How is he with Homer?

Just trying to lighten the mood.

I don't see anything wrong there. I do indeed love doughnuts. On the other hand, I also think Joeybag Barton is a cock.

[CiderJar]

38 minutes ago, Homer Simpson said:

I don't see anything wrong there. I do indeed love doughnuts. On the other hand, I also think Joeybag Barton is a cock.

And what are your feelings about Quinton de Kock?  .... presumably he's a doughnut?

Edited October 27, 2021 by CiderJar

[Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan]

8 hours ago, BanburyRed said:

The attendance is pretty much as it would be considering our league position, our away support is phenominal, 

It’s not phenomenal, it’s currently about the same as Hartlepool and below the likes of Tranmere and Oldham as was proved on here recently.

Deluded Clowns.

 

[Red7]

29 minutes ago, CiderJar said:

And what are your feelings about Quinton de Kock?  .... presumably he's a doughnut?

No, he's a Kock.

[CiderJar]

4 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

It’s not phenomenal, it’s currently about the same as Hartlepool and below the likes of Tranmere and Oldham as was proved on here recently.

Deluded Clowns.

 

Great analogy; here are some deluded Hartlepool fans....

[Homer Simpson]

1 hour ago, CiderJar said:

Great analogy; here are some deluded Hartlepool fans....

Why are Hartlepool fans wearing replica Rovers kit?

[PHILINFRANCE]

Apparently, although it seems to have slipped under the radar, there has been a change of ownership .

Edited October 27, 2021 by PHILINFRANCE

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Apparently, although it seems to have slipped under the radar, there has been a change of ownership .

Oh how I`d love that to be true! Imagine the meltdown north of the river if Barton actually bought the club!

He`d be there for ever............................................

[chinapig]

16 minutes ago, TomF said:

 

Out of ideas, more like. 

This is technically known as a deepity. Otherwise known as pseudo profound bullsh1t.

[CiderJar]

25 minutes ago, chinapig said:

This is technically known as a deepity. Otherwise known as pseudo profound bullsh1t.

Most pseudo-intellectuals understand the meaning of the word hol..... nah I'll leave it.

[CiderJar]

45 minutes ago, TomF said:

 

Out of ideas, more like. 

 

 

Best reply ....

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

1 hour ago, TomF said:

 

Out of ideas, more like. 

“That bloke Barton truly is an absolute tosser.” (Aristotle 320BC)

[weepywall]

Taking 250 to Barrow, Hartlepool and Colchester...phenomenal indeed !!! Never ceases to amaze me.

[IdliketoRogerMoore]

On 26/10/2021 at 14:36, Stortz said:

Do you include the Jewish people who have expressed their extreme offence at his use of the term in your list of 'sensitive revisionists'?

Do you include the Jewish people who while think it’s a bit stupid of him to use the word but are not entirely offended by? Should I be offended by people being offended?

Where does it all end?

[PhilC]

54 minutes ago, weepywall said:

Taking 250 to Barrow, Hartlepool and Colchester...phenomenal indeed !!! Never ceases to amaze me.

Haven't you heard they have sold out their allocation of 500 for Harrogate. In fact if they had been given 1000 they would have sold out.
 

I still cant understand why our allocation is limited to 570 when the ground will be nowhere near full. I really dont want to go in another part of the ground- it seems crazy that it is sometimes difficult to support your team away when we consider that we are talking about second div football and playing a team who average less than half their capacity. I found the same on few occasions when we were in the Conference- I know we get good support away and you have to get in early at times not yo be disappointed but I dont think enough is being done to maximise opportunities for all those that want to go to be able to. 

 

Yeah right, that sounds familiar....

 

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18766/harrogate-away-tickets-all-sold?page=1

[RidgeRed]

Get in early not to be disappointed?? Surely get in late & leave asap avoids that problem or is this obscure Gas logic, again?

[bcfc01]

19 minutes ago, PhilC said:

Haven't you heard they have sold out their allocation of 500 for Harrogate. In fact if they had been given 1000 they would have sold out.
 

I still cant understand why our allocation is limited to 570 when the ground will be nowhere near full. I really dont want to go in another part of the ground- it seems crazy that it is sometimes difficult to support your team away when we consider that we are talking about second div football and playing a team who average less than half their capacity. I found the same on few occasions when we were in the Conference- I know we get good support away and you have to get in early at times not yo be disappointed but I dont think enough is being done to maximise opportunities for all those that want to go to be able to. 

 

Yeah right, that sounds familiar....

 

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18766/harrogate-away-tickets-all-sold?page=1

2nd division ? Thats where we are.

Someone should let him know that his team is in the 4th division.

 

[Bristol Oil Services]

4 hours ago, TomF said:

 

Out of ideas, more like. 

I'm not big on poetry and shit, is he offering us out?

[weepywall]

30 minutes ago, PhilC said:

Haven't you heard they have sold out their allocation of 500 for Harrogate. In fact if they had been given 1000 they would have sold out.
 

I still cant understand why our allocation is limited to 570 when the ground will be nowhere near full. I really dont want to go in another part of the ground- it seems crazy that it is sometimes difficult to support your team away when we consider that we are talking about second div football and playing a team who average less than half their capacity. I found the same on few occasions when we were in the Conference- I know we get good support away and you have to get in early at times not yo be disappointed but I dont think enough is being done to maximise opportunities for all those that want to go to be able to. 

 

Yeah right, that sounds familiar....

 

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/18766/harrogate-away-tickets-all-sold?page=1

Isn't that a bit similar to when they gave Swindon 800 tickets when the ground was never going to sell out.

[GreedyHarry]

4 minutes ago, weepywall said:

Isn't that a bit similar to when they gave Swindon 800 tickets when the ground was never going to sell out.

Yes, and the bit about averaging half their capacity

Edited October 27, 2021 by GreedyHarry

[Bar BS3]

19 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

2nd division ? Thats where we are.

Someone should let him know that his team is in the 4th division.

 

They are hilarious....! 

They really don't seem to realise that league 2, has nothing whatsoever to do with being the 2nd division...! 

Like calling non league football, division 5...!