Major Isewater Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said: Have they confirmed the direction that the screen will face......? Row M ,as I understand it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert tann Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) I know what you lot are like. You're not just looking forward to the Rotherham game and the England game are you ? You're manically straining at the leash because you simply can't wait to see pictures of the big screen and the hordes of Gasheads crammed into the Thatchers end on Saturday night. Well here's a sneak preview Edited December 8, 2022 by bert tann 17 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreedyHarry Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 hours ago, RedLionLad said: "The screen will be located behind the goal at the Thatchers end of the ground, allowing fans to stand on the north terrace and watch the game as if you were there!" Have you not noticed the fans in Qatar standing on a crumbling terrace under a rusting roof catching hypothermia? It’s the real deal I tell ya! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, bert tann said: Well here's a sneak preview That tent's an upgrade! Edited December 8, 2022 by 42nite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 If only they were able to call on the services of someone with experience of erecting temporary structures who could provide some sort of tent or marquee which would protect the faithful from the elements during the screening. I`ve no idea who you could contact in such a scenario though. - it`s not something that`s widely used at football grounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 11 hours ago, bert tann said: I know what you lot are like. You're not just looking forward to the Rotherham game and the England game are you ? You're manically straining at the leash because you simply can't wait to see pictures of the big screen and the hordes of Gasheads crammed into the Thatchers end on Saturday night. Well here's a sneak preview One in the tent, 4 locked out? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedReynard Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 15 hours ago, RedLionLad said: "The screen will be located behind the goal at the Thatchers end of the ground, allowing fans to stand on the north terrace and watch the game as if you were there!" "Just like you're there watching in Qatar" 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 8 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: If only they were able to call on the services of someone with experience of erecting temporary structures who could provide some sort of tent or marquee which would protect the faithful from the elements during the screening. I`ve no idea who you could contact in such a scenario though. - it`s not something that`s widely used at football grounds. Does Go outdoors do home delivery? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 hours ago, RedReynard said: "Just like you're there watching in Qatar" Didn't the one in the middle play for Rovers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, supercidered said: Didn't the one in the middle play for Rovers? First name on the sheet when Darrell Clarke was in charge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said: One in the tent, 4 locked out? …. and I bet they’ll claim there was at least double that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 On 08/12/2022 at 12:46, Red-Robbo said: Unfortunately, the "rep" still attracts racists and arseholes from across the UK*, so, yeah, some of the biggest ******* I ever met when I lived in London were 'Wall fans. * Take Sidcup-born, Middlesbrough brought up, Wiltshire-domiciled media columnist and wife-beater Rod Liddle. Where else other than a Millwall online forum would you be able to get away with "jokes" about Auschwitz and calls for black people to be "repatriated". Liddle posted that? I knew he was a ***t, but not one of such magnitude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, lenred said: Liddle posted that? I knew he was a ***t, but not one of such magnitude? Yep. At first claimed his computer had been hacked, but presented by evidence to the contrary said it was "banter" that was "taken out of context" but he "didn't regret it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizyer Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 On 07/12/2022 at 10:42, Taz said: Agreed, it's actually something that they're doing that they can't be knocked for really. If enough people stay you get the atmosphere, extra revenue (from selling out of date crisps), and the chance to watch it with your mates. It's actually a very good idea You do realise that the purpose of this thread is to take the p!ss 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 On 08/12/2022 at 15:41, slartibartfast said: Forget about %, you are just smaller, all round ! That's not what the mirror tells me! 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, In the Net said: That's not what the mirror tells me! I feel your pain Nettie! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Bizyer said: You do realise that the purpose of this thread is to take the p!ss Yeah, but every once in a while they're bound to do something positive at some point. I mean you can't be a bunch of fucktards 24/7 52 weeks a year can you? Even an idiot has something decent to say once in a while. It's fine though don't worry, within another 24 hours they'll probably revert back to type when the screen doesn't turn up and/or work, so all will be forgotten 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Taz said: Yeah, but every once in a while they're bound to do something positive at some point. I mean you can't be a bunch of fucktards 24/7 52 weeks a year can you? Even an idiot has something decent to say once in a while. It's fine though don't worry, within another 24 hours they'll probably revert back to type when the screen doesn't turn up and/or work, so all will be forgotten if the screen is as cheap as wallys other big investments,the lcd will be watered down and freeze before kick off. 90 mins of watching national anthem. but he has got a nice watch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 39th anniversary of the 2-1 FA Cup win at Eastville today, goals by Ritchie & Hirst, but if you were there of course you knew that. Great day. 9 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, GrahamC said: 39th anniversary of the 2-1 FA Cup win at Eastville today, goals by Ritchie & Hirst, but if you were there of course you knew that. Great day. One of my best ever days watching City. We were back off the floor and punching again. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, GrahamC said: 39th anniversary of the 2-1 FA Cup win at Eastville today, goals by Ritchie & Hirst, but if you were there of course you knew that. Great day. Bloody hell, 39 years..!! The persistence of Riley to set up Hirst for the winner...what a moment. Magic. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 3 hours ago, glynriley said: Bloody hell, 39 years..!! The persistence of Riley to set up Hirst for the winner...what a moment. Magic. Typical of him, never stopped running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Was that Bailey Wright with a beer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Is today the first time that two managers who have both relegated the Fewers have met, with one of the managers still managing the club they relegated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 4 hours ago, GrahamC said: 39th anniversary of the 2-1 FA Cup win at Eastville today, goals by Ritchie & Hirst, but if you were there of course you knew that. Great day. Terry Cooper coming off the bench , and changed the game One of my favourite days ever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 4 hours ago, GrahamC said: 39th anniversary of the 2-1 FA Cup win at Eastville today, goals by Ritchie & Hirst, but if you were there of course you knew that. Great day. Poor quality by today's standards, but for those who haven't seen it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 57 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Is today the first time that two managers who have both relegated the Fewers have met, with one of the managers still managing the club they relegated? Both have got them promoted too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, 22A said: Poor quality by today's standards, but for those who haven't seen it Some day that was !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: One of my best ever days watching City. We were back off the floor and punching again. Punching is a very apt word when we use to go down Stapleton road all those years ago 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Terry Cooper coming off the bench , and changed the game One of my favourite days ever I was just about to say this. Hirst was at uni at the time. "One nil down, two one up, we knocked Rovers out the cup ..." PS I was coming on the thread to see if there was a stream knocking about for the Port Vale game. Could do with a laugh. Edited December 10, 2022 by Sleepy1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelton Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 45 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Terry Cooper coming off the bench , and changed the game One of my favourite days ever Still my best feeling ever after a game,still get goose bumps and a bit teary watching those brief highlights 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gimme Shelton said: Still my best feeling ever after a game,still get goose bumps and a bit teary watching those brief highlights Every time I went to that dump only thing in my eyes was bloody sand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, redkev said: Punching is a very apt word when we use to go down Stapleton road all those years ago Walking down Stapleton Road, one day Singing, singing ‘City are the Champions’ …. I said to him, what’s up my friend? He said The East End’s here again…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 8,264 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: 8,264 Oh dear must be a Santa cylcling tour de Bristol going on . Tinpot pricks 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: 8,264 Personally I think that’s pretty good for them , xxxxxx. Freezing and I wouldn’t have thought many port vale would come down to the footballing Mecca of the country . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Just now, redkev said: Personally I think that’s pretty good for them , xxxxxx. Freezing and I wouldn’t have thought many port vale would come down to the footballing Mecca of the country . Christmas around the corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreedyHarry Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, redkev said: Personally I think that’s pretty good for them , xxxxxx. Freezing and I wouldn’t have thought many port vale would come down to the footballing Mecca of the country . Not so good when you consider the magnetic draw of the England game on a ‘jumbo’ screen in front of a terrace to give you that “just like being in Qatar” experience later on. Would have thought the saggies would be out in their billions for that. Edited December 10, 2022 by GreedyHarry Phat phingerz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 2015 with what looks like a late winner ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 “Listening to the game on BBBC today (British Broadcasting Bastard C*nts) service. Rovers earned a hard three points bt I think deserved......now listening to Nigel Pearson talking about Shitys 3-1 win at Rotherham. He has the persona of a old Boiled crab. Thank God for Joey Barton” 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 2 hours ago, RedLionLad said: 8,264 Swindon v Wombles 8,430 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: “Listening to the game on BBBC today (British Broadcasting Bastard C*nts) service. Rovers earned a hard three points bt I think deserved......now listening to Nigel Pearson talking about Shitys 3-1 win at Rotherham. He has the persona of a old Boiled crab. Thank God for Joey Barton” Living rent-free in their heads all the time! #mindthegap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 55 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: Swindon v Wombles 8,430 Port Vale brought 600 so only 7,500 Gas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, redkev said: Personally I think that’s pretty good for them , xxxxxx. Freezing and I wouldn’t have thought many port vale would come down to the footballing Mecca of the country . They have lost once in their last 10 league games & today was a decent result. Their “crowds” are ******* pathetic though in that context, as they were home anyone interested could easily be back in their house by the time England kicked off. Edited December 10, 2022 by GrahamC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Their big screens failed apparently 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirColinOfMansfield Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: Their big screens failed apparently 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Haha tinpot pricks. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, SirColinOfMansfield said: The gift that keeps on giving - tinpot 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 21 hours ago, Taz said: Yeah, but every once in a while they're bound to do something positive at some point. I mean you can't be a bunch of fucktards 24/7 52 weeks a year can you? Even an idiot has something decent to say once in a while. It's fine though don't worry, within another 24 hours they'll probably revert back to type when the screen doesn't turn up and/or work, so all will be forgotten And just as promised..... 18 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: Their big screens failed apparently 6 minutes ago, SirColinOfMansfield said: There we go, normal service is resumed 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 On 07/12/2022 at 08:22, glynriley said: Anyone fancy standing out in the cold on Saturday night… https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2022/december/support-england-at-the-mem-this-saturday/ Tinpot. 7 minutes ago, SirColinOfMansfield said: Told you. ******* tinpot 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 minute ago, glynriley said: Told you. ******* tinpot The piss stinking tramps will be raging. How are they going to keep warm now if the can't huddle round the big screen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 sounds like wally ran out of 50ps for the meter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Haha tinpot pricks. Ha ha, the f u cking tinpottiness of tinpot. They are an embarassment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Taz said: And just as promised..... There we go, normal service is resumed No signal apparently. . No payment of the electric bill more like. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Haha tinpot pricks. “Oi beT dA shithEads will Love this” Your inability to carry out the simplest of tasks without royally ******* it up is one of the MANY reasons why this thread exists you tinpot roasters. Edited December 10, 2022 by Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: “Oi beT dA shithEads will Love this” Your inability to carry out the simplest of tasks without royally ******* it up is one of the MANY reasons why this thread exists you tinpot roasters. Sounds like another one of their scams to me, get the gullible ******** to stay on after Port Vale, flog off any remaining food & booze to them but not bother to get a functioning TV screen. Cheapskates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gert Mare Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, dilligaf said: Haha tinpot pricks. Love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 On 07/12/2022 at 09:21, Eddie Hitler said: It's free though if you've been to the game beforehand. That's a nice gesture and if enough stay on there will be a decent atmosphere. Yep, bet it was rocking when the screen packed up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 The screen malfunctioning has cheered me up after the England result, They provide a bottomless pit of comedy gold, long may it continue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 22 hours ago, Taz said: Yeah, but every once in a while they're bound to do something positive at some point. I mean you can't be a bunch of fucktards 24/7 52 weeks a year can you? Even an idiot has something decent to say once in a while. It's fine though don't worry, within another 24 hours they'll probably revert back to type when the screen doesn't turn up and/or work, so all will be forgotten Mystic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Mystic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 I see they've upgraded their fabled Santa's Grotto this year, no expense spared as you can see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: I see they've upgraded their fabled Santa's Grotto this year, no expense spared as you can see I see the radioactive dust is still falling over Chernobyl . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 4 hours ago, dilligaf said: Haha tinpot pricks. What a tin pot outfit they truly are and even our resident Gashead on here is ashamed of her club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: I see they've upgraded their fabled Santa's Grotto this year, no expense spared as you can see reminds me of that fiasco at ringwood years ago where they advertised a winter wonderland with reindeer, turned out to be some chicken huts with dogs wandering round with antlers strapped to their heads edit. just found this, sounds like real reindeer but read it,sounds so familiar in every possible way. Upon opening on 28 November 2008,[1] the park received a great deal of infamy in the United Kingdom due to the extremely poor quality of its attractions; the nativity scene was a crudely painted billboard that could be seen across a muddy field, the 'magical tunnel of light' was a line of trees with fairy lights dangling from them, the ice rink had melted due to a faulty generator, the 'log cabins' were empty garden sheds, the Christmas market consisted of only four stalls and required an extra fee to enter, husky dogs and reindeer were mistreated and tethered in muddy conditions, and Santa's grotto was a very badly decorated cabin. Children who had looked forward to the event were reduced to tears, especially when Santa was caught smoking. Violence began flaring up between visitors and workers, including an elf who was slapped and yelled at by a mother who complained about the event, two fathers brawling in the Gingerbread house, Santa being punched in the face by a father who became furious after being told his children were not allowed to sit on Santa's lap despite waiting in a four hour-long line, and a worker dressed up as a snowman received so much verbal abuse that he eventually walked off in full costume.[2] Edited December 11, 2022 by redsquirrel updated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1960maaan Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 So what everyone is saying is .............. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 4 hours ago, redsquirrel said: reminds me of that fiasco at ringwood years ago where they advertised a winter wonderland with reindeer, turned out to be some chicken huts with dogs wandering round with antlers strapped to their heads edit. just found this, sounds like real reindeer but read it,sounds so familiar in every possible way. Upon opening on 28 November 2008,[1] the park received a great deal of infamy in the United Kingdom due to the extremely poor quality of its attractions; the nativity scene was a crudely painted billboard that could be seen across a muddy field, the 'magical tunnel of light' was a line of trees with fairy lights dangling from them, the ice rink had melted due to a faulty generator, the 'log cabins' were empty garden sheds, the Christmas market consisted of only four stalls and required an extra fee to enter, husky dogs and reindeer were mistreated and tethered in muddy conditions, and Santa's grotto was a very badly decorated cabin. Children who had looked forward to the event were reduced to tears, especially when Santa was caught smoking. Violence began flaring up between visitors and workers, including an elf who was slapped and yelled at by a mother who complained about the event, two fathers brawling in the Gingerbread house, Santa being punched in the face by a father who became furious after being told his children were not allowed to sit on Santa's lap despite waiting in a four hour-long line, and a worker dressed up as a snowman received so much verbal abuse that he eventually walked off in full costume.[2] It was actually a quite serious con perpetuated by two minor gangsters. Have a read of this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scammed-by-santa-attraction-closes-six-days-after-it-opened-1055550.html The fraudsters - why does it not surprise that they are related to a Conservative politician? - were eventually jailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Imagine thinking Barton is an inspiration. Someone check this lads basement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 21 hours ago, harrys said: Port Vale brought 600 so only 7,500 Gas Wasn’t it the return of the messiah if so I would have expected a sell out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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