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21 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Be fair it was only "4 or 5", is he doing his best Lee Johnson impression? I thought they had a top 6 budget and squad? Now apparently they are short in every department.

I thought three months ago Delusion Central (North Korea Branch) was proclaiming Belshaw as "the best keeper outside the Premier League"..........tbf to the lad though as soon as Barton replaces him with a Premiership ready keeper (or was it a sprinkler, I get mixed up with what goes on out there) having told the assembled throngs of Fleet Street that he's absolute shite cos he had a poor game recently they concede a bucket load to a team whose only aim this season is to finish fifth bottom.

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4 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Hi, I use that name because as a child I used to watch in the 70s sat on a stanchion and that is one of my memories, getting numb legs. Are you saying that causes offence? That is obviously not the intention. I will think of something different if needed.

No, it doesn't cause offence. Total bollocks if anyone thinks that.

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Lancashire Hotpots 5-1 Merseyside Tosspot

Good but a long way to go to beat Kent Boys 2 Rent Boys 0...........

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9 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Hi, I use that name because as a child I used to watch in the 70s sat on a stanchion and that is one of my memories, getting numb legs. Are you saying that causes offence? That is obviously not the intention. I will think of something different if needed.

Not offensive at all. Pretty obvious that it relates to personal experience of the coldest place on earth

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Barton’s RB presser was gas lighting at its very very finest. The same players are conceding the same goals….because of your coaching pal. Maybe look in the mirror.
 

‘We need 4 or 5 for promotion’ - he knows full well they won’t sign tbat many. Aka, I can get an entire new half team on top of my already bloated loanee squad promoted. But it won’t happen, so I can’t. Even though they’re already about 9 points adrift after playing more games and have horrific GD.

And the sags will nod along and agree with him like the messiah he is. 
 

Absolutely brilliant. Never want it to end honestly. It’s like a soap. 

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1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

Apparently it's only the PFA stopping him from making the players reimburse their fans for the cost of travel etc. Then he likened them to rogue traders, I mean I am sure that no matter how badly they performed, that the players were still trying for him, weren't they? 

If they are ‘one big team’ and so tight knit - why doesn’t Barton refund the fans? Seeing as he loves em so much….absolutely nothing stopping him. 

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What was it Joey said earlier in the season? “Steve Cotterill and his cowboys”? “Derek Adams and his 5-3-1-1 crew”. Well the cowboys are above you in the league Joey on their small crowds and paltry budget and the 5-3-1-1 crew smashed you to smithereens lad scoring a months worth of goals in an hour and a half………

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Just watched the highlights for a laugh, 2 observations;

That keeper (making his debut on loan) is an absolute bomb scare, WTF is he doing for the first? Could have done far better for a couple of the others as well.

Absolutely no idea why they were awarded a penalty, joke decision.

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1 hour ago, petehinton said:

Barton’s RB presser was gas lighting at its very very finest. The same players are conceding the same goals….because of your coaching pal. Maybe look in the mirror.
 

‘We need 4 or 5 for promotion’ - he knows full well they won’t sign tbat many. Aka, I can get an entire new half team on top of my already bloated loanee squad promoted. But it won’t happen, so I can’t. Even though they’re already about 9 points adrift after playing more games and have horrific GD.

And the sags will nod along and agree with him like the messiah he is. 
 

Absolutely brilliant. Never want it to end honestly. It’s like a soap. 

He’s setting up Al Fraudy to fail with his wittering about needing 5 more players. 
 

You hear about managers trying to propitiate an “everyone Vs us” mindset, but Joey B seems to be propagating an “everyone Vs me and my little band of hangers on” which can only end in tears (or jail time). 
 

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30 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Just watched the highlights for a laugh, 2 observations;

That keeper (making his debut on loan) is an absolute bomb scare, WTF is he doing for the first? Could have done far better for a couple of the others as well.

Absolutely no idea why they were awarded a penalty, joke decision.

that keeper wasnt lois diony having another crack at english football by any chance was it?  whoever it is,he obviously isnt happy being loaned to that shower of shite

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2 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

that keeper wasnt lois diony having another crack at english football by any chance was it?  whoever it is,he obviously isnt happy being loaned to that shower of shite

Might have been Steve Phillips… ? 

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Eric Morecambe was a fervent football fan, becoming a director of Luton Town Football Club, where a Lounge is still named after him. He said of Luton Town, "We do a lap of honour when we get a corner."

Getting a corner? Lounges? These big clubs just show off against the Gash.

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On what planet do they have any chance of promotion

They need to win almost every game to reach the same extrapolated points as 6th place, they've just been smashed by a club who were in the relegation zone and have lost more than they've won.

Midtable fodder as is always their best hope in that league

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Their fans don't have the metal capacity to ask basic questions. The Barton foundations are built on sand i.e. loan after loan. You can only pick five loanees at a time. Is he really going to bring in five or six players on the fees required to guarantee winning two thirds plus of their remaining games which is what is needed to challenge the top 6 (they haven't even paid a Tilson since they bought A Tilson 30 years ago) or are they looking at more loans meaning he will leave them in a situation where half of the players he's brought in cannot even be selected from week to week? The only thing that Wael has actually bought and paid for are half a dozen of Joseph's scouse mates on decent wedge to join the backroom staff......literally run like a bog standard Toolstation outfit where a Manager gets the job and immediately brings their mates in.

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1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

Their fans don't have the metal capacity to ask basic questions. The Barton foundations are built on sand i.e. loan after loan. You can only pick five loanees at a time. Is he really going to bring in five or six players on the fees required to guarantee winning two thirds plus of their remaining games which is what is needed to challenge the top 6 (they haven't even paid a Tilson since they bought A Tilson 30 years ago) or are they looking at more loans meaning he will leave them in a situation where half of the players he's brought in cannot even be selected from week to week? The only thing that Wael has actually bought and paid for are half a dozen of Joseph's scouse mates on decent wedge to join the backroom staff......literally run like a bog standard Toolstation outfit where a Manager gets the job and immediately brings their mates in.

In fairness to them, they lack the basic critical reasoning to see beyond magic beans….

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1 minute ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Judging by their latest defeats, it has been officially confirmed.

The Loan-atics have taken over the Asylum.

And apparently Joseph Barton Esq is now thinking about exceeding the loan limit.

He must be mad.

I can understand having six on loan when you are allowed five in, if that's the way your club have decided to go, but after that you are just pissing money up against the wall and literally stockpiling the training ground with other teams players (not to mention numerous Coaches and other backroom staff with a scouse accent). When you ask the average Fewer to explain how stacking your squad with other teams players is "building something special" and an example of the "special club Ethos that everyone associated with the club buys into" you just get a load of incomprehensible drivel literally spat (don't forget to duck) in your direction and a bottle of moonshine lobbed at you.

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12 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I can understand having six on loan when you are allowed five in, if that's the way your club have decided to go, but after that you are just pissing money up against the wall and literally stockpiling the training ground with other teams players (not to mention numerous Coaches and other backroom staff with a scouse accent). When you ask the average Fewer to explain how stacking your squad with other teams players is "building something special" and an example of the "special club Ethos that everyone associated with the club buys into" you just get a load of incomprehensible drivel literally spat (don't forget to duck) in your direction and a bottle of moonshine lobbed at you.

Plymouth have been playing 5 players loaned from higher league clubs this season, a lot of clubs in League One and Two have a similar number of loanees, apart from Ipswich.

This quote from the Plymouth manager explains very clearly why clubs do it:- Schumacher said: "I think it's important we do try and use the loan market. Sometimes it's not possible to bring in the players you want to bring in permanently because we haven't got the spending power the same as the other teams in this division.

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9 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Plymouth have been playing 5 players loaned from higher league clubs this season, a lot of clubs in League One and Two have a similar number of loanees, apart from Ipswich.

This quote from the Plymouth manager explains very clearly why clubs do it:- Schumacher said: "I think it's important we do try and use the loan market. Sometimes it's not possible to bring in the players you want to bring in permanently because we haven't got the spending power the same as the other teams in this division.

The alternative is to build a side predominantly of your own players supplemented by the odd loanee that steamrollers the division and also wins the Michael Mouse Cup for good measure.......I'm sure somebody did that about ten or so years ago..........managed by a "Dinosaur" (that's how some Scouse Manager yet to achieve anything approaching that described him a few weeks back).

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34 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

The alternative is to build a side predominantly of your own players supplemented by the odd loanee that steamrollers the division and also wins the Michael Mouse Cup for good measure.......I'm sure somebody did that about ten or so years ago..........managed by a "Dinosaur" (that's how some Scouse Manager yet to achieve anything approaching that described him a few weeks back).

Ten years is a long time in football, things have changed on the financial front.  You won't find many League One and Two clubs who don't have several loanees on the matchday teamsheet.  Sad, as I much preferred the days of more local players in teams.

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16 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Ten years is a long time in football, things have changed on the financial front.  You won't find many League One and Two clubs who don't have several loanees on the matchday teamsheet.  Sad, as I much preferred the days of more local players in teams.

Yes sometimes I feel as though the smaller clubs in league 2 and 1 may aswell do away with their academy. 

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11 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Ten years is a long time in football, things have changed on the financial front.  You won't find many League One and Two clubs who don't have several loanees on the matchday teamsheet.  Sad, as I much preferred the days of more local players in teams.

Those days haven't gone.

Clubs that had the foresight to invest in FA academies produce their own players on a regular basis, there is one just south of the river in this city.

Of course, those clubs with FA academies need to employ managers who can see the worth and are interested in developing young players for the first team.  

Money would be better spent on this, rather than being dependent upon and paying for loanees who become surplus to requirements, or who return to their own clubs thankful that another club has improved them free of charge or attracting a payment in some cases.

I can see the point of one or two loanees, but half a team is excessive and counter productive in the medium to long term.

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Yes sometimes I feel as though the smaller clubs in league 2 and 1 may aswell do away with their academy. 

Agreed, if they aren't serious about investing in them or if they have managers/board who ignore them, they become a bit pointless.

Cotterill didn't appear to have time for the academy, but did really well managing his own way for a short time. I'm pretty sure that played a part in his departure in the end, the club wanted to see a return from the academy and we can see that now happening with knobs on - 6 academy or ex-academy players on the pitch against WBA (not for the first time either). And some ex-academy players bringing in millions for the club.

A Cat3 academy costs around 1m per year to run which may be beyond some clubs, but it shouldn't be beyond most L1 clubs.

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2 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

A couple of days ago they would "smash us" if they were to play us in the league, now half their squad can't cut the "step up" to League One.

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Interesting comment from "tbonegas (Reserve Team)" that you can do a Mykonos tour from Bodrum.

I never knew that - are they non-league too?

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34 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Those days haven't gone.

Clubs that had the foresight to invest in FA academies produce their own players on a regular basis, there is one just south of the river in this city.

Of course, those clubs with FA academies need to employ managers who can see the worth and are interested in developing young players for the first team.  

Money would be better spent on this, rather than being dependent upon and paying for loanees who become surplus to requirements, or who return to their own clubs thankful that another club has improved them free of charge or attracting a payment in some cases.

I can see the point of one or two loanees, but half a team is excessive and counter productive in the medium to long term.

Agreed, if they aren't serious about investing in them or if they have managers/board who ignore them, they become a bit pointless.

Cotterill didn't appear to have time for the academy, but did really well managing his own way for a short time. I'm pretty sure that played a part in his departure in the end, the club wanted to see a return from the academy and we can see that now happening with knobs on - 6 academy or ex-academy players on the pitch against WBA (not for the first time either). And some ex-academy players bringing in millions for the club.

A Cat3 academy costs around 1m per year to run which may be beyond some clubs, but it shouldn't be beyond most L1 clubs.

Loanees usually have a large chunk of their wages paid for by the parent club.  As I said, I would prefer developing youth players, however, the majority of League One and Two clubs do rely on having half a dozen players from the loan market - that's the way the finances are managed these days.

Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner - you are not comparing like for like.

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3 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Loanees usually have a large chunk of their wages paid for by the parent club.  As I said, I would prefer developing youth players, however, the majority of League One and Two clubs do rely on having half a dozen players from the loan market - that's the way the finances are managed these days.

Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner - you are not comparing like for like.

How much has your fake billionaire pumped into you? Gold star for going to the standard saggy go to 

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13 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Loanees usually have a large chunk of their wages paid for by the parent club.  As I said, I would prefer developing youth players, however, the majority of League One and Two clubs do rely on having half a dozen players from the loan market - that's the way the finances are managed these days.

Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner - you are not comparing like for like.

What sort of losses are you making?

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17 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Loanees usually have a large chunk of their wages paid for by the parent club.  As I said, I would prefer developing youth players, however, the majority of League One and Two clubs do rely on having half a dozen players from the loan market - that's the way the finances are managed these days.

Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner - you are not comparing like for like.

SL has also pumped an extremely large amount of money into the infrastructure. Massive stadium improvements, the Big performance centre. What's your owner spent? I don't think he's bought a single player, has he? 

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20 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Loanees usually have a large chunk of their wages paid for by the parent club.  As I said, I would prefer developing youth players, however, the majority of League One and Two clubs do rely on having half a dozen players from the loan market - that's the way the finances are managed these days.

Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner - you are not comparing like for like.

Well at least you’re not bitter about it. You got your own billion , oh wait that was a lie wasn’t it. Got a nice watch though ?

 

all joking aside , it’s not sustainable having so many loans, you can’t build a proper squad that way . One or two yes as we had with Tammy who almost single handedly kept us up . You got away with it last season . That geordie lad was obviously way too good for league two 

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24 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Loanees usually have a large chunk of their wages paid for by the parent club.  As I said, I would prefer developing youth players, however, the majority of League One and Two clubs do rely on having half a dozen players from the loan market - that's the way the finances are managed these days.

Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner - you are not comparing like for like.

One thing I have never understood with these types of comments is they never mention any assets or infrastructure?

How much has Lansdown put in?

How much is everything worth as it stands - including training facilities, academy, players, the planning granted for the future, how much once all of that is finished? 

 

Now how much has Wael put in so far?

How much are all of your assets worth? 

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Guys, lay off. The Gas only publish accounts for a small company. It's unfair to expect either of their fans to know any of these tough financial questions.

Before you ask a "small company" must meet at least 2 of the following conditions:

1. annual turnover must be not more than £10.2 million
2. the balance sheet total must be not more than £5.1 million
3. the average number of employees must be not more than 50.

Given they're a football club, it's unlikely they qualify for number 3 above. So deduce from that what you will.

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3 minutes ago, TheReds said:

One thing I have never understood with these types of comments is they never mention any assets or infrastructure?

How much has Lansdown put in?

How much is everything worth as it stands - including training facilities, academy, players, the planning granted for the future, how much once all of that is finished? 

 

Now how much has Wael put in so far?

How much are all of your assets worth? 

We were discussing the merits and  financial practicalities of developing your own players. Wael never stated that he was a billionaire, I think the EP ran a typically inaccurate article about him being the 5th wealthiest owner, or something ridiculous, and our more naive fans lapped it up.  Similarly it was the EP who managed to write a whole article about the watch Wael wears.  This says more about the local rag that it does our owner.

On the stadium front, of course Lansdown has turned AG into a very good venue - I've seen it for myself when attending a concert.  At the moment Wael has delivered a training ground, whereas we have previously rented.  I wonder how many of those who criticise it have been shown around the facilities there?  There is further work planned, hence you can find photographs which show the unfinished bits, and try and portray it as an accurate portrayal of what is there, if that makes you feel superior. 

Comparing Lansdown and Wael is like comparing apples and pears, with regards to their personal wealth.  Fair play that Lansdown has backed the club for so many years, shame that his enthusiasm doesn't seem to have filtered down the gene pool.  It's a big ask for him to find an investor who will be as committed as he is. 

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35 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Loanees usually have a large chunk of their wages paid for by the parent club.  As I said, I would prefer developing youth players, however, the majority of League One and Two clubs do rely on having half a dozen players from the loan market - that's the way the finances are managed these days.

Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner - you are not comparing like for like.

I wasn't comparing, I was stating an opinion.

However, the losses have been bankrolled by the Lansdowns to an extent, but when you factor in the amount made thus far from academy graduates it amounts to around 40m with potentially another 25m+ next season. Addidtionally, the investment by the Lansdowns will see the valuation of the assets exceed what they have invested. You are correct in that it will be difficult to get an investor who is as committed as the Lansdowns, but there is interest and we will see what happens.

You are correct, there is absolutely no comparison with your club.

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52 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Loanees usually have a large chunk of their wages paid for by the parent club.  As I said, I would prefer developing youth players, however, the majority of League One and Two clubs do rely on having half a dozen players from the loan market - that's the way the finances are managed these days.

Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner - you are not comparing like for like.

Plenty of talent in the South West you could be developing but any youth player who’s anywhere near half decent wouldn’t come near your shithole of a club.   Given your manager is prone to stubbing out cigars in youth players eyes,  it’s probably just as well. 

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16 minutes ago, In the Net said:

We were discussing the merits and  financial practicalities of developing your own players. Wael never stated that he was a billionaire, I think the EP ran a typically inaccurate article about him being the 5th wealthiest owner, or something ridiculous, and our more naive fans lapped it up.  Similarly it was the EP who managed to write a whole article about the watch Wael wears.  This says more about the local rag that it does our owner.

On the stadium front, of course Lansdown has turned AG into a very good venue - I've seen it for myself when attending a concert.  At the moment Wael has delivered a training ground, whereas we have previously rented.  I wonder how many of those who criticise it have been shown around the facilities there?  There is further work planned, hence you can find photographs which show the unfinished bits, and try and portray it as an accurate portrayal of what is there, if that makes you feel superior. 

Comparing Lansdown and Wael is like comparing apples and pears, with regards to their personal wealth.  Fair play that Lansdown has backed the club for so many years, shame that his enthusiasm doesn't seem to have filtered down the gene pool.  It's a big ask for him to find an investor who will be as committed as he is. 

All fair points @In the Net.

I think for me though, the Fruit market potential stadium saga would set alarm bells ringing if i was a Rover's fan.

At present, you have the stadium, and adjourning land in Horfield which is worth no doubt a considerable amount.

If i've read the proposal correctly. You will give all of these assets to the Fruit Market developer, who will build you a stadium, and then charge you rent to play there? The maths don't add up for me. 

Lansdown has obviously got planning permission for an area of land to build homes on, and part of this money will go towards the Sportong Quarter development. It was the same principle behind the failed AV stadium (thank you Bristol City Council ?)

I don't get why your club doesn't develop the Horfield site yourself, and then build your own stadium, whether at the Fruit Market or elsewhere?

It's akin to having a paid off 500k house,  and giving it away to a landlord. Who then builds you a 250k house, and charges you rent to live there.

Smacks of the Eastville scenario all over again, and where other clubs (Coventry being a good recent example) have fallen foul of 3rd party ownership of their stadium.

Why isn't Wael looking to do this new stadium himself, do you think?

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Plenty of talent in the South West you could be developing but any youth player who’s anywhere near half decent wouldn’t come near your shithole of a club.   Given your manager is prone to stubbing out cigars in youth players eyes,  it’s probably just as well. 

Just another point around this.

Would Barton be allowed to train under 18s?

From my understanding of the FA welfare/safeguarding charter he would be unlikely to be given a DBS/CRB clearance to have any involvement with kid's development.

Unless of course, the family club that when he was charged with Domestic abuse, whilst on Crown Court bail for another serious assault still refused to suspend him, or put him on any sort of gardening leave whilst the matters where sorted out, doesn't require that sort of thing.

I'm not sure what sort of message that sends out to the wider public of the "ethical and Moral" ethos of club.

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42 minutes ago, In the Net said:

We were discussing the merits and  financial practicalities of developing your own players. Wael never stated that he was a billionaire, I think the EP ran a typically inaccurate article about him being the 5th wealthiest owner, or something ridiculous, and our more naive fans lapped it up.  Similarly it was the EP who managed to write a whole article about the watch Wael wears.  This says more about the local rag that it does our owner.

On the stadium front, of course Lansdown has turned AG into a very good venue - I've seen it for myself when attending a concert.  At the moment Wael has delivered a training ground, whereas we have previously rented.  I wonder how many of those who criticise it have been shown around the facilities there?  There is further work planned, hence you can find photographs which show the unfinished bits, and try and portray it as an accurate portrayal of what is there, if that makes you feel superior. 

Comparing Lansdown and Wael is like comparing apples and pears, with regards to their personal wealth.  Fair play that Lansdown has backed the club for so many years, shame that his enthusiasm doesn't seem to have filtered down the gene pool.  It's a big ask for him to find an investor who will be as committed as he is. 

I didn't realise you were only discussing the developing of our own players, Your comment said the following "Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner "

So you are only saying we have had our owner bankrolling the development of our own players, and nothing else whatsoever - and from this he has had enormous losses? The only "enormous losses" you mention is from the whole club as far as I am aware, but please do tell me something I obviously do not know?

If that's is the case then how much have we lost from this bankrolled project in developing our own players? 

Asking how much Wael has put in is just trying to show that he isn't making any profit, and what does he have to show for it. Our "enormous losses" against your losses, assets, infrastructure etc would maybe show that we are nowhere near as bad as what most Rovers fans want to think, and what the poor rosy face lady garden has squandered away. 

Most of your post seems to have nothing to do with anything I have asked or mentioned. But as you mention he has never said he was a Billionaire etc, and everything seems to be the BPs faults, didn't he quite happily said he could have bought most of the Premier League clubs when interviewed and he was asked why he chose your mob?

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1 hour ago, In the Net said:

Loanees usually have a large chunk of their wages paid for by the parent club.  As I said, I would prefer developing youth players, however, the majority of League One and Two clubs do rely on having half a dozen players from the loan market - that's the way the finances are managed these days.

Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner - you are not comparing like for like.

Not if you actually have a good set up, get your structure in place and feed off a good academy. Exeter have done it for years and years and are the example that it really can be done in lower leagues. They’re really reaping the rewards now. Ryan Jones should’ve been more involved last season, he absolutely can make the step up if believed in and backed. But Barton seems more content on throwing players under the bus and replacing them with loanees or short term signings. Dropping Belshaw for that new keeper who’d basically never played the level should be something he’s nailed for, he was at fault for almost every goal, but as he’s a messiah he won’t be. It’s no way to navigate. It’s basically what LJ did here and it set us 5 years back. 
 

Gold star definitely for the club south of the river who have a cat 2 academy, consistently producing our own players, found in the very same area that the Fewers can develop in to but don’t have the set up or foundations to, and selling them for huge money into the PL or allowing them to carve out careers, rather than live season to season with lucky loans or have a good player for a season or two then sell him for a whopping £1m.

Is Scott Sinclair still the only player you can actually claim as your own? Despite him jumping ship at 16. Also surprising King Joey was saying in the summer he had to ‘rein Wael in’ on spending big fees even though you could, now somehow claiming woe is me for not having the capabilities too.
 

It will come home to roost. You lot seem to all in on him, despite him not really setting anything up. it’s concerning from the outside in, ‘rivals’ or not. 

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21 minutes ago, TheReds said:

I didn't realise you were only discussing the developing of our own players, Your comment said the following "Gold star for the club South of the river, who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner "

So you are only saying we have had our owner bankrolling the development of our own players, and nothing else whatsoever - and from this he has had enormous losses? The only "enormous losses" you mention is from the whole club as far as I am aware, but please do tell me something I obviously do not know?

If that's is the case then how much have we lost from this bankrolled project in developing our own players? 

Asking how much Wael has put in is just trying to show that he isn't making any profit, and what does he have to show for it. Our "enormous losses" against your losses, assets, infrastructure etc would maybe show that we are nowhere near as bad as what most Rovers fans want to think, and what the poor rosy face lady garden has squandered away. 

Most of your post seems to have nothing to do with anything I have asked or mentioned. But as you mention he has never said he was a Billionaire etc, and everything seems to be the BPs faults, didn't he quite happily said he could have bought most of the Premier League clubs when interviewed and he was asked why he chose your mob?

“who's enormous losses are bankrolled by their billionaire owner “

This has to be one of the most uninformed & frankly stupid comments that I see quite often. Every single Championship club is a loss leading business ran by a multi hundred millionaire, or billionaire, owner, and has been for a very long time.

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1 hour ago, lenred said:

Plenty of talent in the South West you could be developing but any youth player who’s anywhere near half decent wouldn’t come near your shithole of a club.   Given your manager is prone to stubbing out cigars in youth players eyes,  it’s probably just as well. 

Rather strange then that Newcastle, Liverpool, Everton, Stoke, and Cardiff have been happy to entrust some of their talented young players to be developed under JB. ?

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50 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Not if you actually have a good set up, get your structure in place and feed off a good academy. Exeter have done it for years and years and are the example that it really can be done in lower leagues. They’re really reaping the rewards now. Ryan Jones should’ve been more involved last season, he absolutely can make the step up if believed in and backed. But Barton seems more content on throwing players under the bus and replacing them with loanees or short term signings. Dropping Belshaw for that new keeper who’d basically never played the level should be something he’s nailed for, he was at fault for almost every goal, but as he’s a messiah he won’t be. It’s no way to navigate. It’s basically what LJ did here and it set us 5 years back. 
 

Gold star definitely for the club south of the river who have a cat 2 academy, consistently producing our own players, found in the very same area that the Fewers can develop in to but don’t have the set up or foundations to, and selling them for huge money into the PL or allowing them to carve out careers, rather than live season to season with lucky loans or have a good player for a season or two then sell him for a whopping £1m.

Is Scott Sinclair still the only player you can actually claim as your own? Despite him jumping ship at 16. Also surprising King Joey was saying in the summer he had to ‘rein Wael in’ on spending big fees even though you could, now somehow claiming woe is me for not having the capabilities too.
 

It will come home to roost. You lot seem to all in on him, despite him not really setting anything up. it’s concerning from the outside in, ‘rivals’ or not. 

Ah, would that be the same Exeter who currently have 5 loan players in their squad, the same as us?

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Just now, In the Net said:

Rather strange then that Newcastle, Liverpool, Everton, Stoke, and Cardiff have been happy to entrust some of their talented young players to be developed under JB. ?

We’re talking about youth development not loans.   Not like a Gashead to change the subject though.  Also interesting that you seem to find the fact that your manager stubbed a cigar out on a kids face funny.   You must really be a believer. 

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