Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

[Lanterne Rouge]

Just now, SecretSam said:

What if the inbreds move into the houses?

What? Squat in them? They do have previous for it.

[Jim Davey]

25 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

They weren`t the same two that filmed themselves telling the world that they were now the sixth richest club in the league a few years back?

Unlucky da shit.

no but one of them was in the eastend that night singing about their new ground.

[Slacker]

8 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Just getting rid of the portaloos would be a win for the locals you would imagine. What must they smell like in August?

I imagine they smell pretty similar to the smell of the river by the fruit market in August. 

[CodeRed]

We've heard all this so many times, Severnside - Stoke Gifford -Rebuilt Mem with student flats - UWE -  the only time they get a ground is by stealing it...tried and failed to steal AG....succeeded in stealing The Mem.

The regeneration of the Fruit Market site will eventually proceed without them IMO.

[Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan]

1 hour ago, myol'man said:

Is there an artists impression?

Loves a good artists impression of da new Roverz stadium I do, & we've seen a few

 

[AppyDAZE]

3 hours ago, Betty Swallocks said:

Rovers playing home games 5/10 mins from Bris/Knowle West will be great fun. 

Bollocks to the "fun"

This lot is a South Glos club, don't want the ******* anywhere near south of the river thank you. That said, I know what you're saying 

Edited April 6, 2023 by AppyDAZE

[RedLionLad]

That whole area around the Fruit Market is a right old shithole. They’ll fit in really well and the smell won’t bother them….in fact, they won’t even notice it.

[Port Said Red]

2 hours ago, myol'man said:

Is there an artists impression?

Loves a good artists impression of da new Roverz stadium I do, & we've seen a few

Of course there is...........

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/football-fan-spends-hours-giving-327153

[City Rocker]

57 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

Do they have planning for resi? It's not a given. 

 

50 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

As good as. The residents around there will be far happier with a resi use than a stadium full of bin-dipping, inbreds, or a supermarket. 

'kin right we will. BS7 around the Gloucester Road is a great place to live most of the time, but having dozens of ill-mannered, badly-dressed simpletons descend on your local hostelries every other Saturday doesn't really go down so well.

44 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

What if the inbreds move into the houses?

None of them can afford to live here. 

[bristolmoose]

2 hours ago, westonred said:

I cant see the Council granting planning permission for a stadium so close to the City Centre when they have been trying to limit the number of vehicles entering this area for years 

Didn't BCC turn down their own Indoor Arena plans near this site as the road infrastructure was not adequate

But an indoor arena with rock concerts would attract thousands of fans, so it's not really a fair comparison.

[Bristol Rob]

6 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

 

'kin right we will. BS7 around the Gloucester Road is a great place to live most of the time, but having dozens of ill-mannered, badly-dressed simpletons descend on your local hostelries every other Saturday doesn't really go down so well.

None of them can afford to live here. 

Why can't I like this twice?

[Eddie Hitler]

54 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

You in the business, Eddie?

 

I was, left it about two / three years ago,

I would recommend it as it's very interesting, though you do need a lot of patience and acceptance as some schemes will take years and others you work up may not happen at all. You learn not to pin your hopes on any one scheme but to have several running at any one time at various stages of planning and build.

I worked on big schemes which were generally brownfield and hence a lot more complex than a developer just dumping two hundred houses on some green fields but less complex than this fruit market / memorial ground land swap as proposed.

Complex schemes aren't doomed to failure but they do take a lot longer because of the number of interested parties you have to keep happy and the often fine margins on the finances which can mean multuple redesigns as new costs and issues emerge,

One big unknown is "what lies beneath", as in tunnels, pipes, shafts, or solid rock.  The absolute A1 worst thing to find is that the ground is polluted with, say, asbestos debris.  And I have had this but only the once,  As the clean up bills are enormous and usually burn straight through your contingency.

[myol'man]

4 hours ago, Dredd said:

It's genuinely an awful spot to drive and park at. Maybe they are relying on people using Bristols fantastic train infrastructure 

Ferry boat up the river?

Look out, there's a floater from the dogs home

[RedLionLad]

Spotted these sick comments posted on someone’s FB tonight…

 

[Ska Junkie]

4 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

It's land at the Fruit Market site in exchange for the land of and around the Memorial Stadium rather than for free.

So they would still need the money and planning to build anything even if this did go well for them? A land swap?

Hmmm.

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Ska Junkie

[Red-Robbo]

34 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Spotted these sick comments posted on someone’s FB tonight…

 

 

Says it all really doesn't it.

Marcus Stewart - a City fan and briefly a City player - but then went to work with the 'tards on-and-off for 7 years.  Everyone who has posted here has wished the guy well and luck with his battle against MND.  Operating on a human level, you want Marcus to have as long as possible, enjoy life as much as he can. You wish him all the best.

These inbreeds though. They are on a different level of evolution. 

[Swede]

4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

This is what I am still struggling with, and why Rovers will have to put up more money than just the sale of the Mem to help finance the new stadium. 

And that's what I just cannot see, Wael and family committing many more millions into a project dependent on third parties, which may ultimately never happen. 

I'd heard that the family are already very nervous about supporting a top 10 L1 wage bill for Barton, and that is shown in their recently released £3.7m loss. 

The family are open to selling Rovers, and maybe a new consortium might be interested in part financing a new stadium. But there's so many if's and but's.

As with the UWE project, it's like a house of cards, and only takes one party to pull the plug and it's over. 

Wally's just a speculator. The Sainsbury's deal was already in place and all he had to do was move the money from the sale of the rugby ground to the UWE site.

The UWE deal was done and it was the sags, not UWE who pulled out. Wally didn't like the numbers.

He hasn't got the funds to make that sort of significant long term investment and as we well know Ashton Gate and the immediate surrounding area will/has received significant private lnvestment which the council are benifitting from. Our development would never have gone ahead without it so what makes them think relying on other companies with their own agendas including the councils to provide that substantial investment will deliver them a new ground.

 

[Son of Fred]

10 hours ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

 

The Gnats Piss Arena.

How suitable

[Mr Hankey]

40 - 45,000 seater stadium…….they really are the most deluded folks going

[GrahamC]

16 minutes ago, Mr Hankey said:

40 - 45,000 seater stadium…….they really are the most deluded folks going

Well they need to fit in all those that they pretend went to Wembley…

If this happens (plenty of water needs to pass under the bridge first) I reckon we are looking at a stadium that is 15,000 tops.

For them that would be ideal, a slightly bigger version of Rotherham’s ground.

[Port Said Red]

23 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Well they need to fit in all those that they pretend went to Wembley…

If this happens (plenty of water needs to pass under the bridge first) I reckon we are looking at a stadium that is 15,000 tops.

For them that would be ideal, a slightly bigger version of Rotherham’s ground.

Looking at that thread they keep talking like the whole area is going to be given over to a stadium and it's environs, when in reality it would have to be squeezed in between housing, offices and retail outlets. I don't see how it can be much bigger than you suggest or have any room for expansion if it was ever required.

[CiderJar]

11 hours ago, RedLionLad said:

That whole area around the Fruit Market is a right old shithole. They’ll fit in really well and the smell won’t bother them….in fact, they won’t even notice it.

Soon to be known as The Fruits 

[Eddie Hitler]

8 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

So they would still need the money and planning to build anything even if this did go well for them? A land swap?

Hmmm.

 

 

That isn't what the club has said in earlier statements.

The swap is they give the developer all of the Memorial Stadium site, in which the developer will build and sell houses and flats, and in return they will receive a, presumably smaller, piece of land on the fruit market site and the developer will build them a stadium.

It isn't a freebie, the aim is profit on selling houses on the memorial ground land exceeds or at least reaches the cost of building the new ground and the value of the land it is built on.

This is similar to the UWE / Sainsbury's deal as the new ground is being funded by the sale / swap of the existing one.

As with that one though there is no guarantee that it will happen.

The core of this plan will be building properties for sale on the fruit market site, the new Rovers ground is in there in the hope that it will make obtaining planning permission easier and maybe add some additional profit for the developer if the new houses on the Memorial Stadium land sell well.

It could all go ahead with Rovers entirely cut out, they are not going to be a core part of the plan.

 

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by Eddie Hitler
hope autocorrect to hood

[Port Said Red]

No matter what gets built in that area, I am sure the Council must be regretting their decision not to have the bus station relocated next to Temple Meads, it would make transport links so much easier.

[Port Said Red]

How much delusion can you get in just 3 posts.

 

[redkev]

15 hours ago, Betty Swallocks said:

Rovers playing home games 5/10 mins from Bris/Knowle West will be great fun. 

Obviously walking time , you ever tried to drive from bris village to town in day light hours

[Maesknoll Red]

13 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

How much delusion can you get in just 3 posts.

 

Are these people mentally ill?

I haven’t had a tape measure out, but the fruit market isn’t a huge swathe of land, one side it is bordered by a rail line, it looks like a transfer line from St Phillips Marsh train maintenance depot, which it is, but it is also the mainline diversionary route to bypass Temple Meads in the event the station has to be closed for an emergency.  So no expansion that way.

[Bris Red]

21 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

How much delusion can you get in just 3 posts.

 

**** me they genuinely must be the most deluded fanbase in the country. After so many failed attempts at getting a new stadium and with this ‘news’ not actually announcing anything of substance for BRFC - you’d think the muppets would keep their mouths shut but they just cannot help themselves can they. Thick *****.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Bris Red

[Bris Red]

1 minute ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Are these people mentally ill?

I haven’t had a tape measure out, but the fruit market isn’t a huge swathe of land, one side it is bordered by a rail line, it looks like a transfer line from St Phillips Marsh train maintenance depot, which it is, but it is also the mainline diversionary route to bypass Temple Meads in the event the station has to be closed for an emergency.  So no expansion that way.

It’s not a huge swath of land you are correct, far from it in fact. The road links in and out of that whole area are absolutely horrendous, I can’t even see the council giving them planning for it let alone the scabs being able to raise the £ to build the thing.

 

[redkev]

13 hours ago, Dredd said:

It's genuinely an awful spot to drive and park at. Maybe they are relying on people using Bristols fantastic train infrastructure 

Surely even our poor network rail system should be able to cope with a couple of dozen gas heads on the twice a day service from patchway  & Filton down to temple meads 

[petehinton]

28 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

How much delusion can you get in just 3 posts.

 

As someone who lives nearby, there is quite literally nothing by it other than the recycling centre. Paintworks is ******* ages away and also, hardly a bustling area. 
 

they are genuinely deluded aren’t they

[NcnsBcfc]

1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

That isn't what the club has said in earlier statements.

The swap is they give the developer all of the Memorial Stadium site, in which the developer will build and sell houses and flats, and in return they will receive a, presumably smaller, piece of land on the fruit market site and the developer will build them a stadium.

It isn't a freebie, the aim is profit on selling houses on the memorial ground land exceeds or at least reaches the cost of building the new ground and the value of the land it is built on.

This is similar to the UWE / Sainsbury's deal as the new ground is being funded by the sale / swap of the existing one.

As with that one though there is no guarantee that it will happen.

The core of this plan will be building properties for sale on the fruit market site, the new Rovers ground is in there in the hope that it will make obtaining planning permission easier and maybe add some additional profit for the developer if the new houses on the Memorial Stadium land sell well.

It could all go ahead with Rovers entirely cut out, they are not going to be a core part of the plan.

 

 

Exactly @Eddie Hitler

Really strange way of funding a new stadium.

Both City, and Luton as another good example have secured the other areas of land that can be used through development to fund a new stadium (in City's case the AV and subsequent Sports Village).

Why Wael isn't looking to do the Fruit Market proposal himself is indicative of the complete lack of funds he actually has available. 

If all of this comes to fruition, the Gas will end up with absolutely no fixed assets at all (similar to Coventry's nightmare), and will be beholden to whoever their landlord is.

At some stage that landlord will change, and they will find themselves at a huge disadvantage trying to renegotiate new terms. It's got disaster written all over it.

Why give up your ownership of your own ground? Why haven't Rovers done a planning application for the Memorial ground themselves for either ground redevelopment or housing. If the housing was granted (like Lansdown' s was for the Sports village) you could always sell the proposal to another developer or do it yourself.

Just seems like a really lazy option that they've taken, allied to in financial terms a massive premium being paid to being part of the Fruit Market development (which in essence they are piggybacking on).

Edited April 7, 2023 by NcnsBcfc

[Taz]

1 hour ago, CiderJar said:

Soon to be known as The Fruit Loops

Corrected for you 

[Barrs Court Red]

16 minutes ago, petehinton said:

As someone who lives nearby, there is quite literally nothing by it other than the recycling centre. Paintworks is ******* ages away and also, hardly a bustling area. 
 

they are genuinely deluded aren’t they

Reeks of “tell me you don’t know an area without telling me you don’t know an area”

 

Interestingly both sites are roughly the same distance from the fountains in the centre, which surprised me a little.

[pongo88]

Should Rovers actually move to the fruit market they’ll need a new song to replace Irene. Here’s a suggestion - the Fresh Fruit Song performed by Spike Milligan 

 

 

[RedLionLad]

Where is the nearest pub to the Fruit Market?

[Bristol Rob]

1 hour ago, CiderJar said:

Soon to be known as The Fruits 

Vegetables.

[Open End Numb Legs]

Far being a City fan 'seething', I am off to buy some popcorn so I can enjoy the ride.

The numbers won't work. Either Wally puts the money in (and he hasn't previously) or it isn't happening. Whilst a sale of the Mem gives them the land swap unless they pay for the build why would the developer risk having a stadium on their land when the football club (any football or rugby club) is a huge risk relative to any other option that they could build?

It would make more sense for them to build an indoor arena than a new stadium.

Relax everyone. The world is a strange place financially and businesses are very risk averse these days. High interest rates will be around for a while. It may be Rover's pipe dream but that won't be a dream shared by Conygar who are a PLC and won't be allowing their shareholders to take risk on behalf of a lower league football club with a dodgy culture and an owner who is on an ego trip.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Where is the nearest pub to the Fruit Market?

There isnt many, The Fox, The Thunderbolt across the bridge and I think theres some sport bar that has sprung up in the industrial estate

[cityal]

Some of their comments beggar belief

"I would love a 40-45 thousand stadium capacity"
So more than Villa Park, Stamford Bridge, Hillsborough, Goodison, Elannd Road? for a club that averages 7-9K?
For comparison sake this is like us saying we need a 100K capacity, it is a x5 multiple!

 

"fast foward straight to phase 2 of the build as we will most likely be in the Prem by then."

Based on what? being 15th in League One and being regular whipping boys to most decent teams in their division this season?
They have never been in the top division in their history, and have not as far as i know ever threatened to do so.

The gap between League One and Chamionship is now huge as evidenced by the number of clubs that have gone straight back down in recent seasons. At the top end of the championship the number of clubs without Parachute Payments getting promoted is ridiculously small, and those that do have usually invested in their squad to a level rovers can only dream of - Andy Tilson is STILL their record signing by all accounts.

 

I think most gasheads are envisioning a stadium that is a "smaller version" of the Tottenham stadium (no expense spared) what they are much more likely to get without them funding it is a basic concrete build with limited facilities - which as far as I can tell they will not own? So all the talk of concerts etc. won't matter as they will be lining the pockets of Congyar or whoever operates the development.

 

Coventry MK II looms - it's going to be fun!

Edited April 7, 2023 by cityal

[2015]

2 hours ago, CiderJar said:

Soon to be known as The Fruits 

The Fruitheads

[Maesknoll Red]

7 minutes ago, BS30 City said:

There isnt many, The Fox, The Thunderbolt across the bridge and I think theres some sport bar that has sprung up in the industrial estate

Black Castle in walking distance

[Red-Robbo]

8 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Far being a City fan 'seething', I am off to buy some popcorn so I can enjoy the ride.

The numbers won't work. Either Wally puts the money in (and he hasn't previously) or it isn't happening. Whilst a sale of the Mem gives them the land swap unless they pay for the build why would the developer risk having a stadium on their land when the football club (any football or rugby club) is a huge risk relative to any other option that they could build?

It would make more sense for them to build an indoor arena than a new stadium.

Relax everyone. The world is a strange place financially and businesses are very risk averse these days. High interest rates will be around for a while. It may be Rover's pipe dream but that won't be a dream shared by Conygar who are a PLC and won't be allowing their shareholders to take risk on behalf of a lower league football club with a dodgy culture and an owner who is on an ego trip.

 

Indeedy. This idea, it isn't even a plan yet, is much less advanced than their UWE/Sainsburys tie-up which, as we know, fell over more rapidly than an out-of-possession Gas player in the opposition penalty box.  We are not in an economic climate where large developers want to get involved in speculative deals that may not bear them fruit for a long time.

However even if the Field of Plums got built, I'd be relaxed. It's be like Field of Dreams in reverse: "If you build it, they still won't ******* come!"

[Open End Numb Legs]

10 minutes ago, cityal said:

...... - Andy Tilson is STILL their record signing by all accounts.

The rumour is that relaying their pitch will be the new record signing this summer.

[Barrs Court Red]

12 minutes ago, cityal said:

 what they are much more likely to get without them funding it is a basic concrete build with limited facilities - which as far as I can tell they will not own? 

 

 

That was the premise 2? Years ago. No idea if it’s the current thinking or if the ownership model has changed since then.

[Red-Robbo]

12 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

The rumour is that relaying their pitch will be the new record signing this summer.

 

Work has begun already...

[Bristol Rob]

Be interesting to see if the developers ask all interested parties to pony up a lump of cash as a no-regrets spend to enter in to a partnership or teaming agreement. 

The sort of funding that would allow for a site wide design consultation, traffic infrastructure and all the other stuff that goes towards making a coherent plan.

No ides how much an idea costs to get from a 'maybe we could do this' to 'our planning application is complete, let's send it off'. Be amazed if there was change from a million quid though, KCs, architects, planning experts, town planners, consultants etc... They'll all need a coin.

Would certainly give the Fewers an idea as to how committed Wally is.

Also, on what balance sheet would these costs fall.

[David Brent]

It would be a real shame if their ‘championship ready’ sprinklers never made it to the championship 

[CiderJar]

1 hour ago, 2015 said:

The Fruitheads

Yeah, The Fruits or Fruit heads, anyone with anything else is kind of missing the point.

[The Gasbuster]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

However even if the Field of Plums got built, I'd be relaxed. It's be like Field of Dreams in reverse: "If you build it, they still won't ******* come!"

Hahahaha !!  

[The Gasbuster]

Apologies if mentioned already; but wasn't there a campaign group who wanted the Slumorial to remain as a memorial to the fallen, when Sainsburys were looking to buy the land ?

I wonder if they are still around / active / maybe looking for donations for their cause ? 

Edited April 7, 2023 by The Gasbuster

[Coombsy]

They will sale the memorial ground to the developer 

The developer at the market will announce they can’t get planing for a football ground

the owners of rovers will walk away with their investment back 

leaving rovers home less again

happy days are coming 

[The Gasbuster]

No more talk now of the South "Megastand", with this new non-event to dribble over.

The Megastand was probably just another Wally deflection story; as is probably the "Field of Plums".

All to stop the mutants getting restless (again).

[Porto Red]

2 hours ago, pongo88 said:

Should Rovers actually move to the fruit market they’ll need a new song to replace Irene. Here’s a suggestion - the Fresh Fruit Song performed by Spike Milligan 

 

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by Porto Red

[ExiledAjax]

4 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Looking at that thread they keep talking like the whole area is going to be given over to a stadium and it's environs, when in reality it would have to be squeezed in between housing, offices and retail outlets. I don't see how it can be much bigger than you suggest or have any room for expansion if it was ever required.

Like Leyton Orient with the flats in the corners?

Brisbane Road has a capacity of 9.2k. Much better suited to Rovers given their current gates. Model it on Brisbane road and they might be able to squeeze a tidy little 9-10k seater in amongst the flats and commercial use stuff.

[Ska Junkie]

8 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Like Leyton Orient with the flats in the corners?

Brisbane Road has a capacity of 9.2k. Much better suited to Rovers given their current gates. Model it on Brisbane road and they might be able to squeeze a tidy little 9-10k seater in amongst the flats and commercial use stuff.

I'm thinking Colchester / Shrewsbury circa 10k, expandable to 14 / 15, more than enough for their 7k home support.

Be careful coming into City land saggies.

[Lew-T]

4 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

How much delusion can you get in just 3 posts.

 

Gulfofaden seems happy to be close to the M32 and TM railway… 

Those areas are a sh*thole. If you’re coming into Bristol it’s not a pleasant first sight is it…

[petehinton]

2 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Black Castle in walking distance

I’m not even sure you can walk it. Unless you wanna go over the dual carriageway by Avon meads, or through the industrial estate that takes you out by KFC. Would be the worst pub outing imaginable. 

[RedLionLad]

2 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Black Castle in walking distance

Next to Sainsburys

[richwwtk]

Looking on Google Maps the entire Fruit Market is roughly the same size footprint as Ashton Gate, yet they are looking to fit in houses, shops, offices etc before you even begin to look at a Stadium?

[Lew-T]

2 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Black Castle in walking distance

The Black Castle

 

Cawh lively crawl that

[RedLionLad]

1 minute ago, Lew-T said:

The Black Castle

 

Cawh lively crawl that

Full of families, shoppers and locals, most of whom will be Red rather than Blue.

[Open End Numb Legs]

If they did move to Totterdown they could copy what City had years ago - a picture of a suitable local landmark on their club crest.

We got the world renowned Clifton Suspension Bridge.

They get Totterdown Bridge - not quite so famous.

Seems appropriate?

[Lew-T]

4 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Full of families, shoppers and locals, most of whom will be Red rather than Blue.

They’ll be claiming the Lodekka next. The Hungry Horse chain pub crawl…

 

What a barrel of laughs that will be.

[Port Said Red]

7 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

They’ll be claiming the Lodekka next. The Hungry Horse chain pub crawl…

 

What a barrel of laughs that will be.

There's that Craft Beer place just off the Cattle Market Rd if they are happy paying around £7 a pint or it's drinking near TM before walking to the ground, Knights Templar of whatever that pub across the road is called these days. 

Edited April 7, 2023 by Port Said Red

[petehinton]

18 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

They’ll be claiming the Lodekka next. The Hungry Horse chain pub crawl…

 

What a barrel of laughs that will be.

Try and claim the Sandringham too which is full of city attire on any day of the week you go in there. The more you think about the whole thing the funnier it is 

[glynriley]

3 hours ago, BS30 City said:

There isnt many, The Fox, The Thunderbolt across the bridge and I think theres some sport bar that has sprung up in the industrial estate

The Fox is a cafe/b&b now. I’d imagine the Knights Templar would be where they’d likely drink, but could see the OB designating that as an away pub, straight out the station and easy to police that area. 
 

Not that I can see this happening anytime soon. 
 

 

[RedLionLad]

16 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Try and claim the Sandringham too which is full of city attire on any day of the week you go in there. The more you think about the whole thing the funnier it is 

At least Poundland won’t be too far away for them

[Guest]

Just now, glynriley said:

The Fox is a cafe/b&b now. I’d imagine the Knights Templar would be where they’d likely drink, but could see the OB designating that as an away pub, straight out the station and easy to police that area. 
 

Not that I can see this happening anytime soon. 
 

 

Yeah i know, they do still serve beer though?! At least they did when i last went a year or so ago. Its a weird cafe / school cantine syle place though 

[richyy66]

I wonder if the team will travel by Coach to the new Ground on match days. Better leave early with that journey