Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

[Open End Numb Legs]

Just now, Port Said Red said:

Well that's standard to be fair, SL is looking for additional investors for the Sporting Quarter, it's just a way of spreading the liabilities. 

Understood, but there is a difference between spreading liabilities and getting everyone else to pay for something.

[1960maaan]

35 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Not sure why a sports agent would be needed to pitch for an infrastructure project.

I'm guessing connections, but I wonder would they be willing to do that for free ?
What would investors get out of it ? They would want to make money so Wael would be in the same position he was in with the UWE site. Not completely owned and having to pay rent or interest, the big difference being the build would be massively more expensive now.

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[Open End Numb Legs]

My honest view is their plan would have a much better chance of working before COVID and before Putin's ego went nuts.

The money will decide it, not the football sentiment. How many football  clubs make profits to be shared out to investors?

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

Strange isn't it, especially when the poster is questioned on it later he can't name the Agency, but apparently knows they are a "World's Top" one. 

 

To be fair to that particular poster, she has mentioned previously that the investor who was approached is known by a family member and, in fact, declined as he did not consider any possible investment to be of interest to him.

Nothing more or less to be read in to that.

[petehinton]

Wael has just released a statement saying….basically nothing. And they’re lapping it right up. So odd. 

[Bristol Rob]

17 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Wael has just released a statement saying….basically nothing. And they’re lapping it right up. So odd. 

There was one thing. Last week the developer had paid £450k for an option on the land. Today, according to Wally, they have agreed to buy it.

Not sure that 450k was money well spent!

[Gazred]

35 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Wael has just released a statement saying….basically nothing. And they’re lapping it right up. So odd. 

Arousal levels are high...

"This is massive news for you Gasheads, news which you should rejoice and be excited about."

[Banjo Red]

The Cashconverters stadium, because even that will be borrowed.

[SirColinOfMansfield]

This is what ChatGPT has suggested in less than 1 second ... it sounds pretty close to the combined efforts of the board and fans combined ....

 

Dear fans,

I am thrilled to announce that our football club will soon have a brand new stadium to call home! After months of planning and hard work, we have secured a prime location for our state-of-the-art facility.

This new stadium will not only provide our team with a world-class playing surface, but it will also offer an unparalleled fan experience. We have spared no expense in designing the stadium to be the ultimate destination for football lovers. From the moment you step inside, you will be greeted by cutting-edge technology and amenities that will enhance your match-day experience.

Some of the features of our new stadium include:

• Seating for over 50,000 fans, including premium seating options with luxurious amenities
• A high-tech scoreboard and sound system that will bring the game to life
• A range of food and beverage options to satisfy every taste
• State-of-the-art training and locker room facilities for our players
• Ample parking and transportation options for easy access to the stadium

We believe that this new stadium will not only elevate our team to new heights, but it will also become a landmark for our city and a source of pride for our fans. We can't wait to welcome you to our new home and share this exciting new chapter with you.

Thank you for your continued support.

Sincerely,

Wael Al Qadi

[Port Said Red]

Well the bit about Conygar buying the land is an out and out lie, based on reports in all other outlets. He says he told them there would be a stadium at the Fruit Market, but skirts over the original timeframe and then goes on to talk about building at their current stadium. That last bit should give the Gasheads concern because either the timeframe is such that developing the Men makes commercial sense, or they are nowhere near as certain the stadium will be built as they suggesting.

It's all Emperor's New clothes, and he will keep stringing them on as long as they let him.

[Guest MrGerard]

3 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:there aren't many busses.

how many busses went to The Mall”
“Some of them are thick as mince, they really are.”
“tiny minds”

Rob,

Thought you ought to know it’s spelt buses, only due to your comments on the intelligence of others

[petehinton]

They’re even looking at their transport routes already too for the “perfect location”. One of which being to get off a bus on bath road and walk through and industrial estate for 5 minutes that’s actually half an hour through an area that stinks and is so loud you can’t hold a conversation when walking down it

[Bristol Rob]

2 minutes ago, petehinton said:

They’re even looking at their transport routes already too for the “perfect location”. One of which being to get off a bus on bath road and walk through and industrial estate for 5 minutes that’s actually half an hour through an area that stinks and is so loud you can’t hold a conversation when walking down it

You forgot about that little thing called #GasLogic - where what might seem perfectly reasonable and considered to some, is make believe and a falsehood to others. Like 40,000 away fans. 

[Port Said Red]

4 minutes ago, petehinton said:

They’re even looking at their transport routes already too for the “perfect location”. One of which being to get off a bus on bath road and walk through and industrial estate for 5 minutes that’s actually half an hour through an area that stinks and is so loud you can’t hold a conversation when walking down it

Cue the stories of having to run the gauntlet of raging Shitheads as they make their way quietly to the stadium minding their own business.

[gornagain]

They can name their new stadium after their current - Nou Campsite.

[Red Shadow]

53 minutes ago, petehinton said:

They’re even looking at their transport routes already too for the “perfect location”. One of which being to get off a bus on bath road and walk through and industrial estate for 5 minutes that’s actually half an hour through an area that stinks and is so loud you can’t hold a conversation when walking down it

Er, I may be being whoosh'd here PH but the recycling centre ain't where the Fruit Market is. The Fruit Market is where St Phillip's Marsh is marked on the right lower part of your map

Edited April 9, 2023 by Red Shadow

[glynriley]

55 minutes ago, petehinton said:

They’re even looking at their transport routes already too for the “perfect location”. One of which being to get off a bus on bath road and walk through and industrial estate for 5 minutes that’s actually half an hour through an area that stinks and is so loud you can’t hold a conversation when walking down it

That’s the Days Road tip. 
 

There may or may not be another tip coming in the future  

 

[petehinton]

18 minutes ago, Red Shadow said:

Er, I may be being whoosh'd here PH but the recycling centre ain't where the Fruit Market is. The Fruit Market is where St Phillip's Marsh is marked on the right lower part of your map

Oops marked the wrong waste centre (spoilt for choice around there) Just as bad, walk over the delightful A4 a short trip past two waste management tips tbat stink, and you’re there. Mix things up and walk down to Feeder road past all the car dealerships and hardware shops or the sports lounge if you’re feeling a bit fancier

[luke_bristol]

At some point in the process the man from Del Monte is gonna say no

[redsquirrel]

1 hour ago, Banjo Red said:

The Cashconverters stadium, because even that will be borrowed.

is wallyworld  still in the running?

[Silvio Dante]

It’s appropriate that Conygar developments are heading this up because Wally is leading them a merry dance and they all look like morons while going it…

[BanburyRed]

Do do do, come on and do the Conygar.....

[TheReds]

I'd wager that in 6-12 months there will be another statement saying "the numbers didn't stack up and it was a bad deal for Bristol Rovers FC, but rest assured we are all working extremely hard behind the scenes to get you Gasheads a new Stadium", then they will all lap it up yet again saying Al Quidi is doing his best for them...

[Lanterne Rouge]

21 minutes ago, TheReds said:

I'd wager that in 6-12 months there will be another statement saying "the numbers didn't stack up and it was a bad deal for Bristol Rovers FC, but rest assured we are all working extremely hard behind the scenes to get you Gasheads a new Stadium", then they will all lap it up yet again saying Al Quidi is doing his best for them...

I said this as soon as I saw the announcement. They`ll also blame everyone and everything else for their own shortcomings.

It`ll only happen if they can con someone else into paying for it like they have tried many times in the past.

[Jim Davey]

5 hours ago, SirColinOfMansfield said:

This is what ChatGPT has suggested in less than 1 second ... it sounds pretty close to the combined efforts of the board and fans combined ....

 

Dear fans,

I am thrilled to announce that our football club will soon have a brand new stadium to call home! After months of planning and hard work, we have secured a prime location for our state-of-the-art facility.

This new stadium will not only provide our team with a world-class playing surface, but it will also offer an unparalleled fan experience. We have spared no expense in designing the stadium to be the ultimate destination for football lovers. From the moment you step inside, you will be greeted by cutting-edge technology and amenities that will enhance your match-day experience.

Some of the features of our new stadium include:

• Seating for over 50,000 fans, including premium seating options with luxurious amenities
• A high-tech scoreboard and sound system that will bring the game to life
• A range of food and beverage options to satisfy every taste
• State-of-the-art training and locker room facilities for our players
• Ample parking and transportation options for easy access to the stadium

We believe that this new stadium will not only elevate our team to new heights, but it will also become a landmark for our city and a source of pride for our fans. We can't wait to welcome you to our new home and share this exciting new chapter with you.

Thank you for your continued support.

Sincerely,

Wael Al Qadi

Is this real or someone taking the piss ?

[SirColinOfMansfield]

18 minutes ago, Jim Davey said:

Is this real or someone taking the piss ?

It is what happens when you let Artificial Intelligence do your homework for you!

[Lew-T]

Bit from Wally’s statement…
 

The new stadium subject has been the most important issue for Gasheads, and rightly so, given Rovers' history. I said that the club needs a new stadium when we took over seven years ago and, as I have not made any public announcements on the stadium's progress in recent years, I have been subject to a lot of criticism over that period. Some people have gone on record to say that my time at Rovers won’t have been successful if the stadium issue is not resolved, despite all that has been achieved during that time to make improvements to the way in which the club is now operating.

 

It’s got Mark Ashton vibes about it hasn’t it?

[Bristol Rob]

5 hours ago, redsquirrel said:

is wallyworld  still in the running?

Am I right in thinking that was a National Lampoons vacations film?

[cidercity1987]

1 hour ago, Lew-T said:

Bit from Wally’s statement…
 

The new stadium subject has been the most important issue for Gasheads, and rightly so, given Rovers' history. I said that the club needs a new stadium when we took over seven years ago and, as I have not made any public announcements on the stadium's progress in recent years, I have been subject to a lot of criticism over that period. Some people have gone on record to say that my time at Rovers won’t have been successful if the stadium issue is not resolved, despite all that has been achieved during that time to make improvements to the way in which the club is now operating.

 

It’s got Mark Ashton vibes about it hasn’t it?

Also a nonsense sentence if he thought he was actually going to deliver a new stadium 

[1960maaan]

1 hour ago, Lew-T said:

Bit from Wally’s statement…
 

The new stadium subject has been the most important issue for Gasheads, and rightly so, given Rovers' history. I said that the club needs a new stadium when we took over seven years ago and, as I have not made any public announcements on the stadium's progress in recent years, I have been subject to a lot of criticism over that period. Some people have gone on record to say that my time at Rovers won’t have been successful if the stadium issue is not resolved, despite all that has been achieved during that time to make improvements to the way in which the club is now operating.

 

It’s got Mark Ashton vibes about it hasn’t it?

Short version ...

"                        "

It is some talent using so many words to say nothing 

[Flounder]

6 hours ago, petehinton said:

They’re even looking at their transport routes already too for the “perfect location”. One of which being to get off a bus on bath road and walk through and industrial estate for 5 minutes that’s actually half an hour through an area that stinks and is so loud you can’t hold a conversation when walking down it

Far easier to fly to Amsterdam via Cardiff Airport return to Bristol Airport and take the Airport flier to Temple Meads. Just a short walk via the Knights Templar for a pre match pint.

[Flounder]

5 minutes ago, Flounder said:

Far easier to fly to Amsterdam via Cardiff Airport return to Bristol Airport and take the Airport flier to Temple Meads. Just a short walk via the Knights Templar for a pre match pint.

Benefits of this route include mind alternating substances abuse in Amsterdam that may* bring them back to reality and an above average chance of not being allowed back into the country.

*not

[1960maaan]

I know we joke a lot about the chances of , or not , their Stadium becoming real. But they have no plans in place, they don't have permissions because no plans have been drawn, they haven't been accepted as part of the scheme and they don't have funding .
What they do have is a route to the site that may, or may not , house the ground. 

That cart is firmly placed before the horse.

[redsquirrel]

all this cack going on, why doesnt wally just make a go of it where they are,if he had done 1 new stand a year,they would have a decent 15k seater by now

[luke_bristol]

1 minute ago, redsquirrel said:

all this cack going on, why doesnt wally just make a go of it where they are,if he had done 1 new stand a year,they would have a decent 15k seater by now

They'd have to pay for it themselves and that’s really unfair, or something.

[Eddie Hitler]

10 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

all this cack going on, why doesnt wally just make a go of it where they are,if he had done 1 new stand a year,they would have a decent 15k seater by now

 

Lack of return from what I have read, he'll be prettifying / expanding the capacity without increasing income.  Throwing money away.

New grounds are designed to have substantial off field income.

Exeter Chiefs' rugby ground, which is very visible from the M5 as you approach Exeter, was designed as a conference centre to which a pitch and stands were added on the side.  As a result they do very well financially, I have been to several conferences there and it's an excellent venue with a huge car park.

Ashton Gate is paying for itself (literally, the redevelopment was mostly funded with third party debt and that is being repaid from profits) with its multiple revenue streams, it isn't just where City play 23 times a year plus cup games.

All clubs want, tending these days to need, their grounds to start making decent money over football ticket sales or losses are going to stay high.

 

Edited April 9, 2023 by Eddie Hitler

[Swede]

13 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

"World's Top" mind.......

 

At a guess that would be Rod Hull, isn't he Emu's agent or Billy Smart, he has a big top, as in canvas top.

[Swede]

12 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Understood, but there is a difference between spreading liabilities and getting everyone else to pay for something.

That's gaslogic

[City Rocker]

4 hours ago, Lew-T said:

Bit from Wally’s statement…
.........

It’s got Mark Ashton vibes about it hasn’t it?

Just another narcissist with a nice watch 

[Son of Fred]

10 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

I know we joke a lot about the chances of , or not , their Stadium becoming real. But they have no plans in place, they don't have permissions because no plans have been drawn, they haven't been accepted as part of the scheme and they don't have funding .
What they do have is a route to the site that may, or may not , house the ground. 

That cart is firmly placed before the horse.

It's a family affair..

Edited April 10, 2023 by Son of Fred

[milo1111]

10 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

Lack of return from what I have read, he'll be prettifying / expanding the capacity without increasing income.  Throwing money away.

New grounds are designed to have substantial off field income.

Exeter Chiefs' rugby ground, which is very visible from the M5 as you approach Exeter, was designed as a conference centre to which a pitch and stands were added on the side.  As a result they do very well financially, I have been to several conferences there and it's an excellent venue with a huge car park.

Ashton Gate is paying for itself (literally, the redevelopment was mostly funded with third party debt and that is being repaid from profits) with its multiple revenue streams, it isn't just where City play 23 times a year plus cup games.

All clubs want, tending these days to need, their grounds to start making decent money over football ticket sales or losses are going to stay high.

 

Exactly. Which is why this whole thing will be extremely complicated when it comes to thrashing out the nitty gritty of  whose pockets these revenue streams end up in. 

[Bristol Rob]

18 hours ago, MrGerard said:

Rob,

Thought you ought to know it’s spelt buses, only due to your comments on the intelligence of others

I'd blame autocorrect, but the chances are, I've spelt it incorrectly previously and my misspelling is now stored! So entirely my fault. 

18 hours ago, MrGerard said:

Rob,

Thought you ought to know it’s spelt buses, only due to your comments on the intelligence of others

I'd blame autocorrect, but the chances are, I've spelt it incorrectly previously and my misspelling is now stored! So entirely my fault. 

(Blimey. It's getting worse, I'm now double posting!)

Edited April 10, 2023 by Bristol Rob
I'm a stupid.

[Port Said Red]

I know we constantly make jibes about them being "squatters" or "travellers", but they really do seem to have an aversion to owning things don't they? 

They owned Eastville until their directors sold it to the greyhound company while everyone was distracted by the WWll, (most were also directors of the greyhound company as well btw). So then they rented there for many years before having to squat in Bath and even at Ashton Gate, before finding themselves owning the Mem, through another shady looking deal. 

So they finally own a ground again, logically you would think that you would set about making it your own, modernise, make it suitable for your own purposes etc, but no they have launched into two attempts to move. One that would have put them at the behest of the UWE Board and now one that, IF successful, would see them back renting again. 

It seems a bizarre philosophy to me, and I can't understand why the Gasheads aren't seeing this as a repeat of the Eastville deal, one which a handful of people made a nice profit at the cost of their long term future.

[Barrs Court Red]

34 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I know we constantly make jibes about them being "squatters" or "travellers", but they really do seem to have an aversion to owning things don't they? 

They owned Eastville until their directors sold it to the greyhound company while everyone was distracted by the WWll, (most were also directors of the greyhound company as well btw). So then they rented there for many years before having to squat in Bath and even at Ashton Gate, before finding themselves owning the Mem, through another shady looking deal. 

So they finally own a ground again, logically you would think that you would set about making it your own, modernise, make it suitable for your own purposes etc, but no they have launched into two attempts to move. One that would have put them at the behest of the UWE Board and now one that, IF successful, would see them back renting again. 

It seems a bizarre philosophy to me, and I can't understand why the Gasheads aren't seeing this as a repeat of the Eastville deal, one which a handful of people made a nice profit at the cost of their long term future.

It’s the ownership aspect that baffles me as well, especially as it was flagged by the guy with a nice watch as a reason to walk away from the UWE deal. 
 

Rent but keep all non-Matchday revenue doesn’t seem terrible.  Rent and the stadium operator keeps non-matchday revenue seems pointless.  

[GrahamC]

57 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I know we constantly make jibes about them being "squatters" or "travellers", but they really do seem to have an aversion to owning things don't they? 

They owned Eastville until their directors sold it to the greyhound company while everyone was distracted by the WWll, (most were also directors of the greyhound company as well btw). So then they rented there for many years before having to squat in Bath and even at Ashton Gate, before finding themselves owning the Mem, through another shady looking deal. 

So they finally own a ground again, logically you would think that you would set about making it your own, modernise, make it suitable for your own purposes etc, but no they have launched into two attempts to move. One that would have put them at the behest of the UWE Board and now one that, IF successful, would see them back renting again. 

It seems a bizarre philosophy to me, and I can't understand why the Gasheads aren't seeing this as a repeat of the Eastville deal, one which a handful of people made a nice profit at the cost of their long term future.

Been said before but when you also add that when Horfield seems a perfect location in terms of a club that started out in Eastville, to voluntarily give up a site that could easily be developed piecemeal over time like we did with AG for something that is nowhere near their core support, can only lead to the conclusion that they currently don’t have the money to redevelop, & seems like madness to me.

[1960maaan]

13 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

It’s the ownership aspect that baffles me as well, especially as it was flagged by the guy with a nice watch as a reason to walk away from the UWE deal. 
 

Rent but keep all non-Matchday revenue doesn’t seem terrible.  Rent and the stadium operator keeps non-matchday revenue seems pointless.  

I could never understand why the UWE deal was even considered , Renting and no other revenue. Could only be blinded by the thought of a "free" stadium.

This new one does raise questions too. 
Even if it is a straight land swap, even if they get lots of help and subsidies . Coventry's Sky Blue Trust looked into the cost of a new 20,000 seater stadium last year. They came up with a cost, based on stadiums built over the last 19 years, of £52 million. Now I know the Squatters would cut a few corners, but they would surely have to find a minimum of £30+ million . Plus £millions on Architects and Plans and permissions and with building costs spiralling it ain't getting any cheaper.

I've said before. I wonder if Wael is trying to get it to look like everything is in place for a new ground, then try a sell to an excitable buyer. A bit like when he jumped in and bought it when the UWE was proposed.

[italian dave]

16 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Been said before but when you also add that when Horfield seems a perfect location in terms of a club that started out in Eastville, to voluntarily give up a site that could easily be developed piecemeal over time like we did with AG for something that is nowhere near their core support, can only lead to the conclusion that they currently don’t have the money to redevelop, & seems like madness to me.

If memory serves, Notts County managed to completely replace a whole three sides in one close season back in the 1990s. It’s a country mile short of AG level capacity or quality - but it would be a huge improvement on what they’ve got. (Mind you, what Notts County knocked down was an improvement on what R###s  currently have.)

And tick those other boxes. 

My feeling is that @1960maaan may be right: it’s just an attempt by Wael offload and to find someone who’s going to get caught out the same way he was. 

[redsquirrel]

22 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

 

I've said before. I wonder if Wael is trying to get it to look like everything is in place for a new ground, then try a sell to an excitable buyer. A bit like when he jumped in and bought it when the UWE was proposed.

that bit is the only reason i can think why he is doing it, to possibly get out before losing too much more change from his piggy bank. the planning and consultations would cost more than hes prepared to spend on players etc, i really couldnt see him doing anything other than buy himself more time to get bought out

 

EDIT,Italian Dave beat me to it

Edited April 10, 2023 by redsquirrel

[Port Said Red]

1 minute ago, italian dave said:

If memory serves, Notts County managed to completely replace a whole three sides in one close season back in the 1990s. It’s a country mile short of AG level capacity or quality - but it would be a huge improvement on what they’ve got. (Mind you, what Notts County knocked down was an improvement on what R###s  currently have.)

And tick those other boxes. 

My feeling is that @1960maaan may be right: it’s just an attempt by Wael offload and to find someone who’s going to get caught out the same way he was. 

Yes @1960maaan makes an interesting point, as P T Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute, Wael of Fortune must be hoping this is true and he's not the only one.

[GrahamC]

18 minutes ago, italian dave said:

If memory serves, Notts County managed to completely replace a whole three sides in one close season back in the 1990s. It’s a country mile short of AG level capacity or quality - but it would be a huge improvement on what they’ve got. (Mind you, what Notts County knocked down was an improvement on what R###s  currently have.)

And tick those other boxes. 

My feeling is that @1960maaan may be right: it’s just an attempt by Wael offload and to find someone who’s going to get caught out the same way he was. 

Notts County’s current ground is something they can only dream of, all seater, all covered, with just under 20,000 capacity.

I’ll be amazed if they are ever playing in a stadium on a par with it.

[Barrs Court Red]

40 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I could never understand why the UWE deal was even considered , Renting and no other revenue. Could only be blinded by the thought of a "free" stadium.

This new one does raise questions too. 
Even if it is a straight land swap, even if they get lots of help and subsidies . Coventry's Sky Blue Trust looked into the cost of a new 20,000 seater stadium last year. They came up with a cost, based on stadiums built over the last 19 years, of £52 million. Now I know the Squatters would cut a few corners, but they would surely have to find a minimum of £30+ million . Plus £millions on Architects and Plans and permissions and with building costs spiralling it ain't getting any cheaper.

I've said before. I wonder if Wael is trying to get it to look like everything is in place for a new ground, then try a sell to an excitable buyer. A bit like when he jumped in and bought it when the UWE was proposed.

Interestingly I got a text last week saying he’s off, before this news broke. 
 

Maybe he’s copying Nicks Higgs approach to offloading the football club onto the next mark. 

[Open End Numb Legs]

Would it be possible to asset strip the Mem land value whilst leaving the club with a new stadium but a big rental bill for the privilege and only ticket price income? I am sure the owners would never do that, just a hypothetical question.

[ExiledAjax]

29 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

Interestingly I got a text last week saying he’s off, before this news broke. 

Wael's been shopping them around a bit. He's certainly not averse to selling.

[Bristol Rob]

15 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Would it be possible to asset strip the Mem land value whilst leaving the club with a new stadium but a big rental bill for the privilege and only ticket price income? I am sure the owners would never do that, just a hypothetical question.

Thought that had already been done and that the loans Wally had made were secured against the stadium.

[Eddie Hitler]

9 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Thought that had already been done and that the loans Wally had made were secured against the stadium.

 

That was the case in the early days when there was more in the way of family ownership.

There is one outstanding charge secured against the current ground for £10m.  This is in favour of Dwane Sports and was set up in 2017.

There was much speculation, including by myself, about what would happen when this £10m in debt to DS was reached.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/04501223/charges

Well it was massively exceeded and at June 2020 it stood at £19.5m.

At June 2021 it stood at £4.5m (note 18 of the accounts).

This big reduction was accompanied by a large equity issuance so effectively a debt for equity swap as the Lansdown family regularly do for our club.

 

I know this has been frequently debated but boiled down Wael (and the Lansdowns) are effectively writing off their money when they do this swap.  They may marginally increase their holding percentage but the pre-existing debts were money owed to them, paying interest, and repayable without any tax implications.   Shorthand they are writing ofrf 95 - 99% of their money by doing this.

 

Returning to your post, yes the current debts will lie within the £10 charge secured upon the stadium but Wael / Dwane Sports has written off over £15m of debt which he / they won't see back again.

Wael is acting as the beneficient owner in the same manner as the Lansdowns, albeit on a smaller scale as the club is smaller.

You can't knock that.

 

[glynriley]

**** me, they’re on about chartering trains now…

[OneCity]

[View from the Dolman]

Hope they've given Bristol Airport air traffic control a heads-up about the increase in private jets as the great and the good flock to their games - forget the Vegas Grand Prix, Rovers vs Port Vale is the place to be spotted.

[Open End Numb Legs]

I can see it now, beautiful people drinking champagne in a flotilla of super yachts moored up by Totterdown Bridge for home games, it will be just like the Monaco F1 GP.

[alexukhc]

3 hours ago, OneCity said:

The David Pipe stadium?

[Malago]

Cod Army 1 Clod Army 0

[RedLionLad]

1 minute ago, Malago said:

Cod Army 1 Clod Army 0

Come on Fleetwood. You’ve got one job…

[Lanterne Rouge]

I wonder if they do beat the blue few Jailbird Joey will be brave enough to have a pop at their manager - Scott Brown.

[The Gasbuster]

2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

I wonder if they do beat the blue few Jailbird Joey will be brave enough to have a pop at their manager - Scott Brown.

Ideally they knock each other out (if that’s possible?).

Pair of *****

[petehinton]

22 points off the play offs that they were on the March to after deadline day. 
 

But I’m sure consolidating this season was always the aim they’ll say, Bristol Live included 

[Bar BS3]

5 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Notts County’s current ground is something they can only dream of, all seater, all covered, with just under 20,000 capacity.

I’ll be amazed if they are ever playing in a stadium on a par with it.

They will do. Just every other week, at away games..!

 

Why spend your own money to play at decent stadiums when other clubs will spend there's & that's where they will play half their games anyway.?!

Gas ambition/logic

[GrahamC]

34 minutes ago, petehinton said:

22 points off the play offs that they were on the March to after deadline day. 
 

But I’m sure consolidating this season was always the aim they’ll say, Bristol Live included 

At half time BBC Radio Bristol have tweeted Fleetwood haven’t created much, Rovers started the game brightly & could be level.

Guess what? They aren’t.

Bit like the other week when they lost 2-0 at home & they tweeted one was possibly offside, the other a penalty. They still lost, no matter how hard you try & spin in their favour.

Embarrassing.

[pillred]

Bugger they have equalised.

[Lanterne Rouge]

1-1. Boo.

[The Gasbuster]

2015 winning 2-1