Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

[petehinton]

3 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Fixed that (seems to be the modern word for this sort of shenanigans )

 

15 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

 

Was that the document Pete? If so, it's been removed apparently.

 

[slartibartfast]

5 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

6 hour wait for that...

Why do gash players ( I assume he's one ) NEVER smile when their photos tooked ?

[Swede]

11 hours ago, SirColinOfMansfield said:

A lot of people are really underestimating the ability of Rovers to get things done. It took less than 6 months of detailed planning & project management from the directors and the entire management team to come up with this beauty, so surely the new stand is in good hands???

Who could forget the tinpot jumble sale. I'm sure that the lovely whiteboard colouring in really impressed the University. One of the many reasons for the dustbin thread.  If I'm not mistaken wasn't that the snake scoring on the TV as well. You couldn't make it up. Totally ####### tinpot.

[Bristol Rob]

Well this knocks Row M in to a cocked hat.

A missing row of sold seats is small fry compared to a missing stand.

That is quite the achievement.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Bristol Rob

[Taz]

1 hour ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

From the BBC article:

“Bristol Rovers is replacing its South Stand at the Memorial Stadium in North Bristol with new under cover seats.”

So not really a stand then? 

They mean undercover - you don't really know they're there. Going to plan exactly then...

[myol'man]

What are the Barnsley fans saying?

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

Why do gash players ( I assume he's one ) NEVER smile when their photos tooked ?

Would you smile if you had been tooked?

[cityal]

9 hours ago, City Rocker said:

I'm told that after "someone at the football club spoke to someone at the council" they were given the impression that because the proposed new structure is not as tall as the plans approved in 2008, the application process should be quick and straightforward. 

It seems they've now been assured that's not the case at all. The local councillor has requested that the application be referred to Development Committee rather than be determined by the officers. The club have belatedly engaged a planning consultant to gather the necessary additional documents for the application, but these are yet to be submitted. 

So it's all looking quite promising then. 

The trouble is that their gashead mate Bob who "works at the council" didn't work in the planning department.

This is the off-pitch equivalent of being relgated to non-league. 

[Lanterne Rouge]

Well, the statement from BCC makes thing perfectly clear - no work shall begin until planning permission is granted. Now they`ve gone public with that then any back door grubby deals with the s*gs will be scrutinized thoroughly and due process will have to be followed now.

It`s a bit early for me to venture over to slagchat - I need at least three coffees first - but I`m sure they are debating this latest revelation in their normal careful and considered manner.

Tinpot doesn`t even begin to cover it.

[Port Said Red]

8 hours ago, petehinton said:

 

 

I assume the Councillor means "NOT Least", otherwise it's a pretty damning document and the construction company don't look to come out of it well either.

Presumably the gasheads are already planning how to hound the Interfering "shithead" Councillor out of office and looking up her home address as I write this.

[Monkeh]

The gas have got themselves into a pickle with thus one,

Their arrogance will cost them, I expect it to be rejected then granted after a lengthy appeal so they can't start work until Jan 

Meanwhile the rest of the country are pissing themselves at their general shittyness 

I've seen Sunday league clubs better organised and managed then this so called professional club

[Port Said Red]

13 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

The gas have got themselves into a pickle with thus one,

Their arrogance will cost them, I expect it to be rejected then granted after a lengthy appeal so they can't start work until Jan 

Meanwhile the rest of the country are pissing themselves at their general shittyness 

I've seen Sunday league clubs better organised and managed then this so called professional club

But of course their forum is full of "oh it's only because it's us" and "nimby Greens and Lib Dems", "it's the planning depts fault". Only a handful are putting their hand up to point out how much the club have got wrong here, but of course they are shouted down. 

 

[steviestevieneville]

37 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

The gas have got themselves into a pickle with thus one,

Their arrogance will cost them, I expect it to be rejected then granted after a lengthy appeal so they can't start work until Jan 

Meanwhile the rest of the country are pissing themselves at their general shittyness 

I've seen Sunday league clubs better organised and managed then this so called professional club

To be fair , apart from us & Wycombe no one could care less about them . 

[GrahamC]

40 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

But of course their forum is full of "oh it's only because it's us" and "nimby Greens and Lib Dems", "it's the planning depts fault". Only a handful are putting their hand up to point out how much the club have got wrong here, but of course they are shouted down. 

 

Need to get their facts right then.

There are now virtually no Lib Dems on the council, just 5/70 & they all represent just 2 wards that are both miles away (like Whitchurch).

Absolutely loads of Greens though (like Cllr Edwards) & highly likely next May there will be plenty more.

They’re the future in Bristol, so anyone with half a brain would realise engaging with them & trying to make sure any environmental impacts were mitigated would be smart.

Edited July 29, 2023 by GrahamC

[glynriley]

7 hours ago, myol'man said:

What are the Barnsley fans saying?

Something about whippets 

[Maesknoll Red]

4 minutes ago, TomF said:

Love the comment on the BBC article about one fan saying ‘there’s been a football ground here for 100 years, you moved here’

Well no, it was a rugby ground for 75 years.. also you didn’t give two ***** about it when it was going to be bulldozed for a sainsburys did you.   You giant wankpuffin. 

I sometimes think that I should be mellowing and becoming less riled by them, but then you see moronic comments and attitudes like that and I realised my loathing for them and desire to see them wound up and dissolved gets increased…….  

[Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan]

9 hours ago, petehinton said:

 

 

Absolute ******* shambles of a club.

The gift that keeps on giving. 

[BetterRedthanBlue]

They keep going on about "but we got planning permission in 2008 for a bigger stand" but planning permission expires after 3 years and 2008 and 2023 are two vastly different times as well.

If they have gone ahead without the required permission I hope they get the book thrown at them.

[Gazred]

"I have no facts to back this up but I doubt any other club in the league would have so much opposition to building so little.

I can imagine the fruit market is currently full of sh*t heads walking their dogs claiming its an area of outstanding natural beauty"

[GrahamC]

10 minutes ago, BetterRedthanBlue said:

They keep going on about "but we got planning permission in 2008 for a bigger stand" but planning permission expires after 3 years and 2008 and 2023 are two vastly different times as well.

If they have gone ahead without the required permission I hope they get the book thrown at them.

They also singularly fail to realise all local authorities (whatever anyone’s personal view of ours) have really struggled post pandemic.

Most teams have significant work backlogs, fewer resources due to funding cuts & with absolutely no prospect of this situation changing for the better any time soon. 

This position is also hardly a state secret, if they looked at the average time taken for any planning application to go through all the stages (contentious or not) & worked backwards to when it needed to go in, they would have submitted it much sooner.

They really are a bunch of amateurs.

 

[italian dave]

8 hours ago, myol'man said:

What are the Barnsley fans saying?

Very little when I had a look yesterday. Nothing on either the club site or their fans forums. Whether they’re aware what’s going on I’ve no idea.

It’s looking like more than just Barnsley being affected now. 

[Bristol Rob]

Is it safe to assume that they have already bought their new stand?

I mean, you wouldn't knock down the old one, cut back trees and dig foundations if you didn't know what you were putting in.

So if there are any changes, so as reducing the width of the stand or the hight or the depth of it. Would those works need to be done again.

[archie andrews]

Whats the betting they’ll be knocking on steves door asking if they can borrow something once a fortnight..... 

[Kid in the Riot]

10 hours ago, petehinton said:

 

 

The next Planning Committee is 9 August, and I'd suggest it's unlikely they'll meet the deadlines (which will be before that date) to be heard at that Committee.

The next one is 6 September, so they may well not have planning permission until that date, at the earliest

[glynriley]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

The next Planning Committee is 9 August, and I'd suggest it's unlikely they'll meet the deadlines (which will be before that date) to be heard at that Committee.

The next one is 6 September, so they may well not have planning permission until that date, at the earliest

Are they going to need one of those boards at one end, like Arsenal had when they were doing the North Bank at Highbury? The one with the fans painted on to it. Maybe they could borrow that one, they’d only have to paint out the red and a few of the fans teeth…

[Eddie Hitler]

22 minutes ago, Gazred said:

"I have no facts to back this up but I doubt any other club in the league would have so much opposition to building so little.

I can imagine the fruit market is currently full of sh*t heads walking their dogs claiming its an area of outstanding natural beauty"

 

I'd say that the people who live there have had so much in the way of planning applications thrown at them by Rovers over the years (Sainsbury's, student accommodation, possibility of high density housing if the Fruit Market happens) that they are all very switched on with regards to monitoring planning and how to draft an objection that will work.

If this was the first and only proposed change by Rovers in the last ten years then I suggest that it would have gone through on the nod with few objections raised.

If however you keep messing people about with frequent planning applicaions. or threats thereof, as Rovers has done then the residents will become rightly peeved and start to object to anything and everything.

People buy a home partly because they like what surrounds it, their interest is not going to cease at the border of their property.

Edited July 29, 2023 by Eddie Hitler

[RedRock]

16 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

The next Planning Committee is 9 August, and I'd suggest it's unlikely they'll meet the deadlines (which will be before that date) to be heard at that Committee.

The next one is 6 September, so they may well not have planning permission until that date, at the earliest

Strongly suspect that the Committee agenda will be prepared 10-14 days before the meeting date. I would have thought that the applicant will be submitting additional detail in support of the proposal that will also need time to be evaluated by officers.

As stated back in Spring, it was patently obvious - particularly looking at the ‘quality’ of the submission - that this structure would not have the necessary permissions by the start of the season. 

I suspect this SAGa should keep us all entertained for at least another couple of months. 
 

[1960maaan]

6 minutes ago, RedRock said:

I suspect this SAGa should keep us all entertained for at least another couple of months. 
 

[Port Said Red]

3 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Strongly suspect that the Committee agenda will be prepared 10-14 days before the meeting date. I would have thought that the applicant will be submitting additional detail in support of the proposal that will also need time to be evaluated by officers.

As stated back in Spring, it was patently obvious - particularly looking at the ‘quality’ of the submission - that this structure would not have the necessary permissions by the start of the season. 

I suspect this SAGa should keep us all entertained for at least another couple of months. 

But, but there are ITKs on their forum telling the naysayers that they don't understand how planning works, and I am shocked, shocked I say, to hear that there are people who care more about the environment than a piddly little football club.

 

 

[cityal]

2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

But of course their forum is full of "oh it's only because it's us" and "nimby Greens and Lib Dems", "it's the planning depts fault". Only a handful are putting their hand up to point out how much the club have got wrong here, but of course they are shouted down.

 

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Need to get their facts right then.

There are now virtually no Lib Dems on the council, just 5/70 & they all represent just 2 wards that are both miles away (like Whitchurch).

Absolutely loads of Greens though (like Cllr Edwards) & highly likely next May there will be plenty more.

They’re the future in Bristol, so anyone with half a brain would realise engaging with them & trying to make sure any environmental impacts were mitigated would be smart.

Are you suggesting that "facts" thrown around by the fewers are grade-A Bulls**t?

I was told they were everyone's 2nd team - but this whole planning fiasco has made me wonder

[Southport Red]

10 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

Why do gash players ( I assume he's one ) NEVER smile when their photos tooked ?

Would you smile?

[Port Said Red]

Just now, cityal said:

 

Are you suggesting that "facts" thrown around by the fewers are grade-A Bulls**t?

I was told they were everyone's 2nd team - but this whole planning fiasco has made me wonder

Well to be honest, they are my favourite second club.........

I should clarify and say that's because of the amount of entertainment they have brought to us over the years....... The team can go **** themselves.

[milo1111]

I think they are being unfairly treated. Since when has scaffolding required planning permission?? It’s a disgrace!!

[GrahamC]

55 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

The next Planning Committee is 9 August, and I'd suggest it's unlikely they'll meet the deadlines (which will be before that date) to be heard at that Committee.

The next one is 6 September, so they may well not have planning permission until that date, at the earliest

Seeing as it is August next week I would be very surprised if there was any chance at all of it making the first deadline.

They clearly have no idea of the background work involved here or lead in times for things like this.

I would even say September is pushing it unless it gets accelerated internally..

[The Gasbuster]

14 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Well to be honest, they are my favourite second club.........

I should clarify and say that's because of the amount of entertainment they have brought to us over the years....... The team & their six fingered fans can go **** themselves.

Updated for you 

Edited July 29, 2023 by The Gasbuster

[italian dave]

5 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Seeing as it is August next week I would be very surprised if there was any chance at all of it making the first deadline.

They clearly have no idea of the background work involved here or lead in times for things like this.

I would even say September is pushing it unless it gets accelerated internally..

And in the meantime, if we all go up there and walk our dogs on the site, by then someone can claim it’s a village green. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by italian dave

[cityal]

5 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Seeing as it is August next week I would be very surprised if there was any chance at all of it making the first deadline.

They clearly have no idea of the background work involved here or lead in times for things like this.

I would even say September is pushing it unless it gets accelerated internally..

I hope they get this resolved by september....... september 2026 that is!

[petehinton]

Kin hell

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, italian dave said:

And in the meantime, if we all go up there and walk our dogs on the site, by then someone can claim it’s a village green. 

Pretty sure that because it became notorious Gove has outlawed this now as a vexatious tactic, not applicable here but the latest one used to stop development is registering as a community asset, as has just happened with the old public baths building on Jacob’s Wells Rd.

[italian dave]

Just now, GrahamC said:

Pretty sure that because it became notorious Gove has outlawed this now as a vexatious tactic, not applicable here but the latest one used to stop development is registering as a community asset, as has just happened with the old public baths building on Jacob’s Wells Rd.

Yes, he has. I think Ashton Vale was actually one of the examples that was used nationally when the case was made for those changes. As you say, there are still circumstances where ‘community assets’ can be bought out - village pubs is another example. But the nonsense of Ashton Vale wouldn’t happen now.

 

[italian dave]

9 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Kin hell

Could anyone list a pro football club that’s got planning consent for a new stand in less than two months?

Legend indeed. 

There’s a post in the politics forum this morning (I know some people don’t like going there!) describing how Nigel Farage is adept at “turning utter entitlement into victimhood”. That could have been written for this knob too! 

Edited July 29, 2023 by italian dave

[Maesknoll Red]

35 minutes ago, TomF said:

It’s never their fault. Is it? 

It’s as if they are closet scousers…..

[BS3City]

1 hour ago, Gazred said:

 

I can imagine the fruit market is currently full of sh*t heads walking their dogs claiming its an area of outstanding natural beauty"

I have no dog and think the area is a proper dump to be honest.

But for the purposes of this argument I regularly take our pooch out for a stroll in those beautiful surroundings. Same as those tossers did with the Long Ashton village green debacle.

Never miss an opportunity, and never forget.

*****...

[phantom]

1 hour ago, archie andrews said:

Whats the betting they’ll be knocking on steves door asking if they can borrow something once a fortnight..... 

They'll be fine, it's just a few hundred segregated seats they need to find quickly 

Assume that'll mean moving ST holders? 

The best bit will be the realisation against Chesterfield this afternoon how shit it really looks and then every other week it'll be appearing on national highlight programmes lol

I bet whoever gave the go ahead to remove the old stand is currently out sourced to the North Pole 

[bcfc01]

Aren't they playing Chesterfield at the dump today ?

Hope they've cleared up and its safe, don't want their safety certificate taken away do we 

Some of the reaction on their "forum" is comical, one bloke is adamant that they already have planning permission so there's no problems. A couple are calling out the club but most are blaming the council, the Greens, the neighbours etc etc.

Lovely way to start the day, a City and Chesterfield win would finish it off nicely.

Suck it up Pikeys 

[Open End Numb Legs]

If this saga is going to run on past September I will need to look at the long term health issues of consuming popcorn over such a long time.

[RedRaw]

12 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Could anyone list a pro football club that’s got planning consent for a new stand in less than two months?

Legend indeed. 

There’s a post in the politics forum this morning (I know some people don’t like going there!) describing how Nigel Farage is adept at “turning utter entitlement into victimhood”. That could have been written for this knob too! 

Without wanting to turn this into a political debate (for obvious reasons….much better to take the piss out the gas) but farage has every right to do what he is doing, what coutts/NW have done both from an ethical and data protection pov is absolutely scandalous. Just take away your dislike of farage and consider it if it was you account/personal data

[italian dave]

3 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Without wanting to turn this into a political debate (for obvious reasons….much better to take the piss out the gas) but farage has every right to do what he is doing, what coutts/NW have done both from an ethical and data protection pov is absolutely scandalous. Just take away your dislike of farage and consider it if it was you account/personal data

I haven’t expressed a view on Farage or those events. That’s for elsewhere.

I’ve simply posted a quote that’s appeared elsewhere today that seemed particularly apt for the Gas poster quoted above - and that’s relevant to this thread, isn’t it? 

[Lrrr]

2 hours ago, TomF said:

Love the comment on the BBC article about one fan saying ‘there’s been a football ground here for 100 years, you moved here’

Well no, it was a rugby ground for 75 years.. also you didn’t give two ***** about it when it was going to be bulldozed for a sainsburys did you.   You giant wankpuffin. 

I love that it said several fans wrote in…… several  of their tens upon tens of thousands…

[Lrrr]

And thankfully for Rovers sake multi-ball will be in operation in the EFL, could you imagine the extra time added on waiting to get the ball back every time it went over behind the goal….

[Swede]

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

But, but there are ITKs on their forum telling the naysayers that they don't understand how planning works, and I am shocked, shocked I say, to hear that there are people who care more about the environment than a piddly little football club.

 

 

Piddly little football club is probably the wrong term to use. The BBC described them as "league 1 minnows" or another popular term is tinpot.

[Kid in the Riot]

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

But, but there are ITKs on their forum telling the naysayers that they don't understand how planning works, and I am shocked, shocked I say, to hear that there are people who care more about the environment than a piddly little football club.

 

 

That first post is absolutely delusional. 

Determined in "a maximum of 13 weeks" is utter nonsense. It's very well known that BCC are taking a minimum of 6 months to determine most applications at the moment. 

Their "agent" should have known this. As for the initial submission in April, one quick look and I can say with confidence that it was a sub-standard effort, which absolutely did NOT require anything close to the amount of information required. Hence, BCC are now requesting a host of additional documents. 

[bcfc01]

10 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

That first post is absolutely delusional. 

Determined in "a maximum of 13 weeks" is utter nonsense. It's very well known that BCC are taking a minimum of 6 months to determine most applications at the moment. 

Their "agent" should have known this. As for the initial submission in April, one quick look and I can say with confidence that it was a sub-standard effort, which absolutely did NOT require anything close to the amount of information required. Hence, BCC are now requesting a host of additional documents. 

Its likely that they thought they could submit a planning application themselves, hence the comical "plans" submitted back in April. I would think an agent was hired late in the day once BCC asked for some proper documentation.

[Kid in the Riot]

2 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Its likely that they thought they could submit a planning application themselves, hence the comical "plans" submitted back in April. I would think an agent was hired late in the day once BCC asked for some proper documentation.

Correct. For comparison, I helped Thornbury Town get permission for their ground improvements, including 2x 100 seater stands. They realised from the outset they'd need planning permission and an agent. 

[OneCity]

45 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

I love that it said several fans wrote in…… several  of their tens upon tens of thousands…

Maybe all the rest were locked out of the post office.

[The Gasbuster]

Will 2015 ever, EVER get anything right ?

The long term future of this thread appears to be secure.

[southside]

1 hour ago, Lrrr said:

And thankfully for Rovers sake multi-ball will be in operation in the EFL, could you imagine the extra time added on waiting to get the ball back every time it went over behind the goal….

Multi-multi-ball

[Bristol Rob]

 

 

They've installed Premium terracing, where you get to stand in an unfinished car park and can't see the game. Expectations for ticket sales are high.

[italian dave]

32 minutes ago, southside said:

Multi-multi-ball

Exactly: they’re going to have to invest in a huge number of balls! 

[bartolona]

To be fair even with that end empty they still have more stands than most clubs.

[BS3City]

31 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

 

 

They've installed Premium terracing, where you get to stand in an unfinished car park and can't see the game. Expectations for ticket sales are high.

That end looks better than the shite couple of tents that were there previously. It seems like the more they knock down the better it will look... 

[Pedrowe]

Just had a look at the current sentiment on Gas Chat ()…, and bizarrely, they are primarily pointing fingers at the Green Party for the current predicament?!?! Unsurprisingly, little blame is being attributed to the management of the Club, which recklessly began operations without planning permission, disregarded the concerns of neighbouring residents,  submitted a subpar application with insufficient time, and even sold season tickets despite lacking a proper stand to accommodate them in for the opening fixtures. I can’t imagine that we would stand for that down here! 

[italian dave]

7 minutes ago, Pedrowe said:

Just had a look at the current sentiment on Gas Chat ()…, and bizarrely, they are primarily pointing fingers at the Green Party for the current predicament?!?! Unsurprisingly, little blame is being attributed to the management of the Club, which recklessly began operations without planning permission, disregarded the concerns of neighbouring residents,  submitted a subpar application with insufficient time, and even sold season tickets despite lacking a proper stand to accommodate them in for the opening fixtures. I can’t imagine that we would stand for that down here! 

As Tom said earlier…..always someone else’s fault. 
Always the victim.

[chinapig]

11 minutes ago, BS3City said:

That end looks better than the shite couple of tents that were there previously. It seems like the more they knock down the better it will look... 

If you demolish it they will come!

[BetterRedthanBlue]

I found the application for the the sporting quarter that we submitted and the difference between that and the new stand application is like night and day and I know there's a big jump from a stand to an arena, offices and residential but the application is just so much more detailed.

[BS3 Ark at Ee]

They’ve not even got a ‘Shed man’....how Tinpot!

[Open End Numb Legs]

1 hour ago, southside said:

Multi-multi-ball

By the end of a game, behind that goal will look like a toddler's ball pit at an indoor play centre.

[Bristol Rob]

25 minutes ago, BS3 Ark at Ee said:

They’ve not even got a ‘Shed man’....how Tinpot!

Allotment Alan is saving to buy a step ladder.

[Rudolf Hucker]

They appear to have no netting, nor anything else, to prevent wayward shots from heading towards Temple Meads. Local kids will be delighted to receive their free gift although  it’ll only serve to damage the club’s relationship with their immediate neighbours. Hopefully. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by Rudolf Hucker

[Bristol Rob]

3 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

They appear to have no netting, nor anything else, to prevent wayward shots from heading towards Temple Meads. Local kids will be delighted to receive their free gift although I doubt it’ll only serve to damage the club’s relationship with their immediate neighbours. Hopefully. 

Joey will be spending his Twitter money on chocolate.