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Just now, Open End Numb Legs said:

I don't know the lie of the land exactly but would it be possible for a ball to theoretically clear the ground and roll all the way to the IKEA roundabout via Alton Road and Muller Road?

I don’t know about that but having just listened to their new owners interview on radio Bristol, there’s going to be a lot of tumbleweed blowing that way. 

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21 minutes ago, Lewisdabaron said:

Agreeed, but we dont know any facts or context atm. Maybe just an internet exaggeration… follwed by rage reaction, just for a change. 

Well don't make stupid claims on the internet if you don't want to be shot down. If he did it, he's an idiot, and if he just said it to look good, he's still an idiot. 

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59 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

I'm sure he would have backed any 82er applications as well :)

He certainly wouldn’t of, he seems to stay well clear of South Bristol for some reason, he obviously forgets how South Bristol was the only English constituency south of B’ham (and outside of London) that stayed Labour during the Thatcher years

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19 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

He certainly wouldn’t of, he seems to stay well clear of South Bristol for some reason, he obviously forgets how South Bristol was the only English constituency south of B’ham (and outside of London) that stayed Labour during the Thatcher years

Ah, Red Dawn ?  This muppet is a disgrace to the Labour Party !

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2 hours ago, Lewisdabaron said:

Agreeed, but we dont know any facts or context atm. Maybe just an internet exaggeration… follwed by rage reaction, just for a change. 

I can tell from the change in font size that you had to copy and paste the word 'exaggeration' because you didn't know how to spell it.

That is why I am unsurprised you are defending someone who admitted giving a man and young children 'dogs abuse'.

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Just been over on Ass Chat as I couldn't find their attendance yesterday. Seems an item on the topic quoted 7929 with 500 away fans. To my amusement a banner add popped up encouraging people to join the RSPB as Nature needs you. Haven't they just destroyed some wildlife habitat in their rush to get the Lego "stand' built? Another own goal.

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4 minutes ago, grifty said:

I can tell from the change in font size that you had to copy and paste the word 'exaggeration' because you didn't know how to spell it.

That is why I am unsurprised you are defending someone who admitted giving a man and young children 'dogs abuse'.

Nothing wrong with spell check wanted to confirm if it was 2 g or 1. 
 

Why not wait to hear what exactly was the “dogs abuse” before judging. I was not defending. I was commenting what usually happens online. 

knowing the posters usual good nature of @myol'man im sure he can clarify. 

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12 minutes ago, redysteadygo said:

Just been over on Ass Chat as I couldn't find their attendance yesterday. Seems an item on the topic quoted 7929 with 500 away fans. To my amusement a banner add popped up encouraging people to join the RSPB as Nature needs you. Haven't they just destroyed some wildlife habitat in their rush to get the Lego "stand' built? Another own goal.

They’re all trying to convince themselves they know who Harvey Vale is as well 

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1 hour ago, grifty said:

I can tell from the change in font size that you had to copy and paste the word 'exaggeration' because you didn't know how to spell it.

That is why I am unsurprised you are defending someone who admitted giving a man and young children 'dogs abuse'.

Im not defending him and i cant spell that word,

peoples inabilty to spell has no baring on it

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Inevitably politicians get dragged into things and the media like to play their games.

Let's hope that the facts about the timing of the planning application and the starting of work without permission are not lost in any war of words.

The staff who work for the council are not paid to be part of a blame game played out on social media. They can only do what their working day allows.

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6 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

I don't know the lie of the land exactly but would it be possible for a ball to theoretically clear the ground and roll all the way to the IKEA roundabout via Alton Road and Muller Road?


It could, theoretically, roll all the way to Ashton Gate in one hour twenty eight minutes 

 

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1 minute ago, Miah Dennehy said:

BCC has no more bias towards Rovers than Radio Bristol, Evening Post etc etc. The paranoia of many Rovers and City fans about it is, well, paranoia.

I wouldn't argue with that.

However; there is no doubting about where Mayor "Dolittle" Rees' loyalties lie.

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10 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

BCC has no more bias towards Rovers than Radio Bristol, Evening Post etc etc. The paranoia of many Rovers and City fans about it is, well, paranoia.

Not so much at the EP now Mike Norton the editor-in-chief who used to stand on the Tote End has left

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Hussain Al-Saeed outlines plans for Bristol Rovers infrastructure in first public interview - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk)

So the next "Messiah" speaks and what does he say? Well actually nothing really....

Apart from the fact that Rover's fans need to be patient and there is lots of things outside of their control, there was no promises of extra finance, merely that they need to improve the non-existent Academy and poor Training facilities.

Anybody thinking they've now got a Kuwaiti Billionaire to go along with the Jordanian one is going to be a bit disappointed.

Oh, and as for the Fruit Market, they're "Talking". Brilliant, good luck with all of that. ?

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This bit is fairly impressive tbh; even if the rest is more of the "of course nothing's happen WRT a new stadium, but we will pretend that it is".

The debt was £7m over a year ago at the last accounts and maybe £9m now, usually people want it to stay as debt because then there is no tax liability from repaying it in full.

Good news for Rovers as a club but bad news for Wael's personal fortune. Though I'm sure that the Lansdowns would do similar for City in similar circumstances.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/04501223/filing-history

Rovers also confirmed that as part of the takeover process, the debt owed to Dwane Sports will be capitalised. This means that apart from ordinary trade creditors the club is substantively debt free.

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22 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Hussain Al-Saeed outlines plans for Bristol Rovers infrastructure in first public interview - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk)

So the next "Messiah" speaks and what does he say? Well actually nothing really....

Apart from the fact that Rover's fans need to be patient and there is lots of things outside of their control, there was no promises of extra finance, merely that they need to improve the non-existent Academy and poor Training facilities.

Anybody thinking they've now got a Kuwaiti Billionaire to go along with the Jordanian one is going to be a bit disappointed.

Oh, and as for the Fruit Market, they're "Talking". Brilliant, good luck with all of that. ?

I suggest they adopt These Things Take Time as the club motto. It would look classy in a Latin translation.

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1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Hussain Al-Saeed outlines plans for Bristol Rovers infrastructure in first public interview - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk)

So the next "Messiah" speaks and what does he say? Well actually nothing really....

Apart from the fact that Rover's fans need to be patient and there is lots of things outside of their control, there was no promises of extra finance, merely that they need to improve the non-existent Academy and poor Training facilities.

Anybody thinking they've now got a Kuwaiti Billionaire to go along with the Jordanian one is going to be a bit disappointed.

Oh, and as for the Fruit Market, they're "Talking". Brilliant, good luck with all of that. ?

I caught the interview Saturday pre game. **** me. Talk about uninspiring, the both of them. Couldn’t answer anything with a straight answer and both sounded incredibly awkward and shifty 

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This bit about their new South Tent seems bizarre:

"We're hostage to events that are out of control in terms of just getting approvals or contractors and timelines. You can plan all you want to get what you want done in a month or two but in reality when you come to execute, things get delayed." 

We know they made a total pigs ear out of getting the planning permission but do we read from this that their contractor has told them to piss off due to the construction delay so they're now looking for someone to hammer the pegs in whenever the council finally get around to giving them permission to pitch it? 

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1 minute ago, Midlands Robin said:

This bit about their new South Tent seems bizarre:

"We're hostage to events that are out of control in terms of just getting approvals or contractors and timelines. You can plan all you want to get what you want done in a month or two but in reality when you come to execute, things get delayed." 

We know they made a total pigs ear out of getting the planning permission but do we read from this that their contractor has told them to piss off due to the construction delay so they're now looking for someone to hammer the pegs in whenever the council finally get around to giving them permission to pitch it? 

If only the interviewer had the balls to ask him why they demolished the stand in the first place. 
 

Geoff would’ve properly grilled them for stuff. Can already feel his loss covering both Bristol clubs on RB based on the first few interviews with people at both clubs 

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Reading that interview, if I was a Rovers fan I would be disappointed and concerned. It is very PR speak.

As mentioned above, the builders won't just put the kettle on and wait weeks and months for permission to be granted. They will be off on their next projects, building elsewhere. They cannot afford to sit around and when permission is presumably granted, I would imagine there will be another delay before the physical work resumes as they are unlikely to drop what they are doing at that time.

This is costing me a fortune in popcorn! ?

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They're still hoping the value of the land the Mem sits on is enough to pay for the construction of a new stadium at the Fruit Market. This also overlooks the fact that the stadium is designated a asset of community value which means that Wally can't just offer it up as a swap deal for a few bricks in new stadium. 

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13 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

They're still hoping the value of the land the Mem sits on is enough to pay for the construction of a new stadium at the Fruit Market. This also overlooks the fact that the stadium is designated a asset of community value which means that Wally can't just offer it up as a swap deal for a few bricks in new stadium. 

Good point, maybe by knocking down the South Stand they're making it cheaper to clear the memorial ground when they sell up, as there isn't so much to demolish and clear away!! Lateral thinking, I like it ?

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2 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Hussain Al-Saeed outlines plans for Bristol Rovers infrastructure in first public interview - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk)

So the next "Messiah" speaks and what does he say? Well actually nothing really....

Apart from the fact that Rover's fans need to be patient and there is lots of things outside of their control, there was no promises of extra finance, merely that they need to improve the non-existent Academy and poor Training facilities.

Anybody thinking they've now got a Kuwaiti Billionaire to go along with the Jordanian one is going to be a bit disappointed.

Oh, and as for the Fruit Market, they're "Talking". Brilliant, good luck with all of that. ?

To paraphrase the interview, he says "We're coming for City, but very very slowly"

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1 hour ago, Midlands Robin said:

This bit about their new South Tent seems bizarre:

"We're hostage to events that are out of control in terms of just getting approvals or contractors and timelines. You can plan all you want to get what you want done in a month or two but in reality when you come to execute, things get delayed." 

We know they made a total pigs ear out of getting the planning permission but do we read from this that their contractor has told them to piss off due to the construction delay so they're now looking for someone to hammer the pegs in whenever the council finally get around to giving them permission to pitch it? 

Any project plan should include an assessment of the risks and how you plan to mitigate them.

I suppose it's hard to mitigate the risk that the entire operation is incompetent though.

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6 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Any project plan should include an assessment of the risks and how you plan to mitigate them.

I suppose it's hard to mitigate the risk that the entire operation is incompetent though.

but .... they had bought the book before they started demolishing the stand, consulting with the neighbours & planning department, getting quotes from retired fans, tapping the Kuwaiti Sovereign Wealth Fund, punching a lucky horse, etc. etc. etc.

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57 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

They're still hoping the value of the land the Mem sits on is enough to pay for the construction of a new stadium at the Fruit Market. This also overlooks the fact that the stadium is designated a asset of community value which means that Wally can't just offer it up as a swap deal for a few bricks in new stadium. 

It is indeed registered as an ACV by Bristol City Council.

https://memorialgroundbristol.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-asset-of-community-value/

Wally and his new friend will have to be careful how they verbalise the arrangements if/when its transferred to the Fruit Market developers, but it shouldn't make much difference.

But if that covenant as mentioned in the above article could be found/proven, they'd be royally ******.

 

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23 minutes ago, SirColinOfMansfield said:

but .... they had bought the book before they started demolishing the stand, consulting with the neighbours & planning department, getting quotes from retired fans, tapping the Kuwaiti Sovereign Wealth Fund, punching a lucky horse, etc. etc. etc.

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Too advanced. I'm thinking Janet and John build a football stand.

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13 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

 

.........But if that covenant as mentioned in the above article could be found/proven, they'd be royally ******.

 

I hadn't read anything about a covenant before. Is that not a huge block to the FM deal?

Not easy to over turn I think, especially with the hugely sensitive nature of the background to it?

 

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5 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

From Gaschat, politics on their side with voter numbers apparently:-


10000+ active Bristol Rovers fans (many based/voting in Bristol) and 40,000+ passive 'fans' based on Wembley attendances..

So the Fruit Bowl will need 50,000 seats just for home fans?

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9 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

From Gaschat, politics on their side with voter numbers apparently:-


10000+ active Bristol Rovers fans (many based/voting in Bristol) and 40,000+ passive 'fans' based on Wembley attendances..

This is similar to when I told my bank that I'd be paying the mortgage with the passive pounds that were locked out of my bank account but would definitely turn up if I could just have a bigger account.

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28 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

 

I hadn't read anything about a covenant before. Is that not a huge block to the FM deal?

Not easy to over turn I think, especially with the hugely sensitive nature of the background to it?

 

Covenant paperwork conveniently not able to be found at the time of the Sainsbury farce.

 

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4 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

This bit is fairly impressive tbh; even if the rest is more of the "of course nothing's happen WRT a new stadium, but we will pretend that it is".

The debt was £7m over a year ago at the last accounts and maybe £9m now, usually people want it to stay as debt because then there is no tax liability from repaying it in full.

Good news for Rovers as a club but bad news for Wael's personal fortune. Though I'm sure that the Lansdowns would do similar for City in similar circumstances.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/04501223/filing-history

Rovers also confirmed that as part of the takeover process, the debt owed to Dwane Sports will be capitalised. This means that apart from ordinary trade creditors the club is substantively debt free.

You always seem to be the bearer of bad news !

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1 hour ago, Midlands Robin said:

They're still hoping the value of the land the Mem sits on is enough to pay for the construction of a new stadium at the Fruit Market. This also overlooks the fact that the stadium is designated a asset of community value which means that Wally can't just offer it up as a swap deal for a few bricks in new stadium. 

In the interview Hussain Al-Saeed states that he hopes the developer will build the stadium for them in return for getting the Memorial Stadium site. Out of interest, does anyone know the value of the land at Horfield?  Rovers are talking about getting a 17,000 seater stadium but the figures don’t add up. As a comparison, York City’s new 8,500 capacity ground cost £44m to build, and work started on that 6 years ago. 

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10 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

You always seem to be the bearer of bad news !

But the Führer hasn't taken account of losses on the eastern front ( Olney, Buckinghamshire)

Nationwide Finance Ltd still have their multi million pound loan outstanding for the bunker that never was.

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1 hour ago, bcfc01 said:

It is indeed registered as an ACV by Bristol City Council.

https://memorialgroundbristol.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-asset-of-community-value/

Wally and his new friend will have to be careful how they verbalise the arrangements if/when its transferred to the Fruit Market developers, but it shouldn't make much difference.

But if that covenant as mentioned in the above article could be found/proven, they'd be royally ******.

 

54 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

 

I hadn't read anything about a covenant before. Is that not a huge block to the FM deal?

Not easy to over turn I think, especially with the hugely sensitive nature of the background to it?

Nor me, but that looks like there must be newspaper records from the time at a bare minimum. The Council should have something in their vaults too.

For those adverse to links,  the section we are discussing.is at the bottom of this post.

And in case you are wondering, it appears we "all" would get a vote on whether the covenant is overturned, assuming the Bristol Public are identified as the Covenant Holder. :)

 

"Checking back through a property’s history may also uncover if it has been removed previously. If the beneficiary of the covenant can be identified, you can either negotiate a release of the covenant or a variation of the deed containing the covenant and this will then be registered with the Land Registry.

There are certain criteria that a restrictive covenant must meet in order to still have a useful purpose. If you believe that the one on your property no longer has a function, you can potentially challenge it through the Lands Tribunal. Your solicitor will check whether any of the grounds contained in section 84 of the Law of Property Act 1925 can form the basis of a claim"

Presumably the Rovers Board will have their lawyers looking at the subsequent paragraph.

 

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21 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

In the interview Hussain Al-Saeed states that he hopes the developer will build the stadium for them in return for getting the Memorial Stadium site. Out of interest, does anyone know the value of the land at Horfield?  Rovers are talking about getting a 17,000 seater stadium but the figures don’t add up. As a comparison, York City’s new 8,500 capacity ground cost £44m to build, and work started on that 6 years ago. 

It's all fruit pie in the sky !

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24 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

In the interview Hussain Al-Saeed states that he hopes the developer will build the stadium for them in return for getting the Memorial Stadium site. Out of interest, does anyone know the value of the land at Horfield?  Rovers are talking about getting a 17,000 seater stadium but the figures don’t add up. As a comparison, York City’s new 8,500 capacity ground cost £44m to build, and work started on that 6 years ago. 

Rule of thumb used to be that each seat costs 2k for a reasonable build standard.

I would guess that is closer to 3k these days.

So a 17k seater would be in the region of 50m.

Best of luck to them...

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23 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

 

Nor me, but that looks like there must be newspaper records from the time at a bare minimum. The Council should have something in their vaults too.

For those adverse to links,  the section we are discussing.is at the bottom of this post.

And in case you are wondering, it appears we "all" would get a vote on whether the covenant is overturned, assuming the Bristol Public are identified as the Covenant Holder. :)

 

"Checking back through a property’s history may also uncover if it has been removed previously. If the beneficiary of the covenant can be identified, you can either negotiate a release of the covenant or a variation of the deed containing the covenant and this will then be registered with the Land Registry.

There are certain criteria that a restrictive covenant must meet in order to still have a useful purpose. If you believe that the one on your property no longer has a function, you can potentially challenge it through the Lands Tribunal. Your solicitor will check whether any of the grounds contained in section 84 of the Law of Property Act 1925 can form the basis of a claim"

Presumably the Rovers Board will have their lawyers looking at the subsequent paragraph.

 

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Bit more;

Perpetuity – the Covenant

It had taken considerable post-war effort to revive the game, as survivors of the Great War trickled back to the city. The founders and trustees of The Memorial Ground intended that it should remain a sports or recreational facility permanently, as evidenced by these restrictive covenant sections, quoted from the Land Registry (Title Number BL58342):

“(c) That the land hereby conveyed shall not be used for any purpose which shall or may be or become a nuisance or annoyance to the occupiers of houses erected at any time on land belonging to the said Testator Provided and it is hereby expressly agreed that nothing herein contained is intended to prevent the land hereby conveyed from being used for football or any other athletic sport or recreation.”

and

“…grant unto the said Francis Nicholas Cowlin his heirs and assigns full Licence and permission to erect and to maintain and continue upon the said land within the before mentioned distance of Twenty yards of the North Eastern boundary of the said land but not nearer than Fifteen yards of the said North East Boundary any erection or building of any height which the said Francis Nicholas Cowlin his heirs or assigns may deem necessary or desirable for or in connection with the use of the said lands as Football Athletic Sports or Recreation Ground…” (5).

https://memorialgroundbristol.wordpress.com/history/

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15 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Rule of thumb used to be that each seat costs 2k for a reasonable build standard.

I would guess that is closer to 3k these days.

So a 17k seater would be in the region of 50m.

Best of luck to them...

Would say £50mil would get them something tidy, but if they are looking to build in a residential area, either the cost of the new builds will reflect the hassle of living by a stadium, or the stadium itself would need to be over engineered to minimise impact.

The developer will be all about profit, so if the numbers don't stack up, the first thing you do is drop the stadium, build another 200 flats and stick 10k on the asking price of everything.

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