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1 minute ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Slagchat is real comedy gold. When the realisation finally sinks in that they`ve ****** up and he`s not coming is priceless.

Exactly!

I was on there last night watching it unfold....priceless when it started to dawn on them! 

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6 hours ago, 54-46 said:

Genuine question and happy to be corrected - is JCH the player who received loads of abuse off you fans, resulting in him flicking you lot the bird when subbed once and then saying it was great to play in front of “proper fans” after he’d moved?

If so, why are you lot so desperate for him to come back and why would he want to come back?

Of course, if that wasn’t him ignore me it must have been someone else the “faithful and true” had a problem with

No. I believe you're confusing Jonson Clarke-Harris for Stefan Payne. Clarke-Harris and Rovers seem to have had a pretty good relationship since he joined.

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31 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Because they clearly have a man a the EFL they know who was able to confirm that....

If they're going to make stuff up, at least make it believable.

I'm not sure this is necessarily non-believable. Apparently it came from Tom Gorringe, who of course would know how late it was. 

I could imagine EFL taking the view of "4 seconds late is just that. 4 seconds late. Had all summer to do this transfer, we set the deadline for a reason," which would make sense to me at least. Barton seemed to echo similar sentiments in his pre-match interview today. I think the timeline isn't contradictory and fits Ferguson's post-match comments today. And from memory all the stuff with JCH's agent seems plausible as I believe his agent was in prison when he was with us. Could be wrong though. Could be completely our fault or it could be Darragh's had us on toast.

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2 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

It’s all Boros fault for not accepting whatever Rovers offered!!

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DMAC seemed to be waiting out for a high bid up until the last minute. Offer from Rovers has been in place in principle it seems for a couple days. In my opinion, in terms of getting the deal done just seems a shambles all around.

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1 minute ago, Boring Sag said:

DMAC seemed to be waiting out for a high bid up until the last minute. Offer from Rovers has been in place in principle it seems for a couple days. In my opinion, in terms of getting the deal done just seems a shambles all around.

He tried Bolton and Derby who weren't interested. No Championship club wanted him either.

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Just now, chinapig said:

He tried Bolton and Derby who weren't interested. No Championship club wanted him either.

If this is sincerely the case. That literally no Championship or League One club wanted him other than Rovers, then surely Rovers might have a half-decent chance at the signing in January?

If there was no interest, I imagine it's because DMAC seemed to want to make a profit on him despite having a year of his contract left. 

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35 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Slagchat is real comedy gold. When the realisation finally sinks in that they`ve ****** up and he`s not coming is priceless.

One poor bloke(or lady)was asking to be shot due to the ignominy of it all...a tad extreme!!!!..

 

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Just now, Boring Sag said:

If this is sincerely the case. That literally no Championship or League One club wanted him other than Rovers, then surely Rovers might have a half-decent chance at the signing in January?

If there was no interest, I imagine it's because DMAC seemed to want to make a profit on him despite having a year of his contract left. 

It was reported in the local press there. Come January who knows? It's the window when some clubs panic so there may be competition for him.

But surely Joey will have you top of the table by then anyway??

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Just now, chinapig said:

It was reported in the local press there. Come January who knows? It's the window when some clubs panic so there may be competition for him.

But surely Joey will have you top of the table by then anyway??

Listen, I know there's a lot of talk on the 'big' (relatively) signings for us, but frankly literally any improvement from last season I'd take. The more the better of course, but I think we're still a fair bit off the playoffs, especially if Collins continues to play poorly. Ryan Woods looked very good today though. Main issue throughout was the lack of a striker!

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1 hour ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

Presumably they asked the ‘shithead mole’ high up within their club to fax everything off and he deliberately waited until 4 seconds after the cut off to do it.

Bastard!!

I heard that they had a retired office admin  who just wanted to keep there hand in do the paperwork but she had arthritis!

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Apparently Rovers had 2 hours to get what they needed to done so 

a) why wasn’t everything in place to assume it would be a yes to save time 

or 

b) if you’re running close to the deadline and as Barton put it ‘seconds out’ then why not submit an extension form to the EFL/FA that allows you a little extra time so long an agreement is in place 

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6 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Apparently Rovers had 2 hours to get what they needed to done so 

a) why wasn’t everything in place to assume it would be a yes to save time 

or 

b) if you’re running close to the deadline and as Barton put it ‘seconds out’ then why not submit an extension form to the EFL/FA that allows you a little extra time so long an agreement is in place 

Because the lady acting as Rovers club secretary has no experience in football.

She runs her own business providing HR services to small companies in Bristol, Somerset, Gloucestershire and S Wales.

https://www.louisesmith-hr.com/

 

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39 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Apparently Rovers had 2 hours to get what they needed to done so 

a) why wasn’t everything in place to assume it would be a yes to save time 

or 

b) if you’re running close to the deadline and as Barton put it ‘seconds out’ then why not submit an extension form to the EFL/FA that allows you a little extra time so long an agreement is in place 

Judging by that interview with Darren Ferguson, they had more than enough time to sort the deal - sounds like a bit of a game has been played by Wally!

Making it look to the Gas ‘Eds that they were prepared to invest nigh on a million quid (and a big, three year contract for JCB), only for it to not then happen.

What an unprofessional outfit they’ve proven to be yet again

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38 minutes ago, bert tann said:

Because the lady acting as Rovers club secretary has no experience in football.

She runs her own business providing HR services to small companies in Bristol, Somerset, Gloucestershire and S Wales.

https://www.louisesmith-hr.com/

 

Wonder if they are as qualified as the physio the Fewers had who wasn't qualified to go on the pitch.

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13 hours ago, Selred said:

Ah didn’t realise Famara won the Championship golden boot twice when we signed him! 

Kalas as I later clarified could be agreed as a top proven championship player. Still was 4 years ago. 

Point is, We have spent millions upon millions. Probably over 20m in the last 5 years (a guess)

Rovers spend 800k once and suddenly they are ambitious and we’re not ??‍♂️

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4 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Wonder if they are as qualified as the physio the Fewers had who wasn't qualified to go on the pitch.

To quote my own post is slightly unnecessary, but wasn't it the dog botherer who sacked the physio and then found out they needed one to be able to fulfil fixtures? Wasn't it around 2015/2016.

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55 minutes ago, bert tann said:

Because the lady acting as Rovers club secretary has no experience in football.

She runs her own business providing HR services to small companies in Bristol, Somerset, Gloucestershire and S Wales.

https://www.louisesmith-hr.com/

 

According to companies house these people are the company secretary.  But it looks like Louise Smith has/is fulfilling several roles at the sags.

 

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So I got a mate, I liked her before she took the role on she has now tbh I didn’t think she even liked football but she works for the sags, anyway let’s just say the police are involved cuz she has been abused very badly by the fans

Family club 

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Darren Ferguson's comments for those who haven't or can't be arsed to, listen to the interview:

“It was a very hectic last day but up until 10 to 11, it was quite smooth. Jonno travelled with the team in the morning, we had the team meeting about Portsmouth and he would have been in the team, he played very well last week.

“At about five o’clock the chairman told me there might be a chance that he’ll get permission to talk to Bristol and at quarter to six, I went down to see him and we agreed it was the right time for him to move on. He was getting a three-year deal at 29, which is very good, and a large part of his family is down there.

“He got in the car, Liz (Elsom, Head of Football Operations) sent over the agreement at 8:30, which they agreed with and told us so at nine o’clock. At ten to 11, we were told he was still not registered. You can put a request in to get another 15 minutes and they didn’t do that until 20 past 11. Unbelievable, we were just like ‘what?’

“They just failed to get him registerd, nothing else can be done. That’s the danger if you leave it until the last minute to try and sign someone rather than doing it three or four days previous. That’s the risk they run and they’ve made a mistake. We did everything we could.”

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Looking at the statement above, if we imagine that JCH left Portsmouth to travel up to Bristol at around 6pm, he would have got there for around 8 to 8:30. It's roughly a 2 hour journey.

That fits nicely with the time line. The Posh send over the paperwork at 8:30 and the Sags agree to the deal at 9pm.

According to a statement from the circus, there were some changes to the paperwork that held things up. This clearly can't be the case if Ferguson is telling the truth as the Sags agreed the paperwork at 9pm. The only changes after that point must have come from JCH or his agent if there were any. Either way, 2 hours should have been more than enought time to sort all of that out and send the registration paperwork in to the FA.

As Ferguson said, it is possible to send in an agreement form and get a short extension to enable the paperwork to be finalised after 11pm. This cearly wasn't done.

So, there are a few questions that need asking:

1) Why, if he wanted the move, didn't JCH press the Sags to get the deal done after the two clubs had agreed terms at 9pm?

2) If Ferguson is correct and the agreement between the clubs took place at 9pm then who was responsible for the paperwork changes after that point?

3) Why didn't the Sags send in the relevant paperwork to extend the deadline?

 

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1 minute ago, Midlands Robin said:

Looking at the statement above, if we imagine that JCH left Portsmouth to travel up to Bristol at around 6pm, he would have got there for around 8 to 8:30. It's around a 2 hour journey.

That fits nicely with the time line. The Posh send over the paperwork at 8:30 and the Sags agree to the deal at 9pm.

According to a statement from the circus, there were some changes to the paperwork that held things up. This clearly can't be the case if Ferguson is telling the truth as the Sags agreed the paperwork at 9pm. The only changes after that point must have come from JCH or his agent if there were any. Either way, 2 hours should have been more than enought time to sort all of that out and send the registration paperwork in to the FA.

As Ferguson said, it is possible to send in an agreement form and get a short extension to enable the paperwork to be finalised after 11pm. This cearly wasn't done.

So, there are a few questions that need asking:

1) Why, if he wanted the move, didn't JCH press the Sags to get the deal done after the two clubs had agreed terms at 9pm?

2) If Ferguson is correct and the agreement between the clubs took place at 9pm then who was responsible for the paperwork changes after that point?

3) Why didn't the Sags send in the relevant paperwork to extend the deadline?

 

4) Why did nobody notice the Ted putting the clock forward by 4 seconds?

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24 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

Darren Ferguson's comments for those who haven't or can't be arsed to, listen to the interview:

“It was a very hectic last day but up until 10 to 11, it was quite smooth. Jonno travelled with the team in the morning, we had the team meeting about Portsmouth and he would have been in the team, he played very well last week.

“At about five o’clock the chairman told me there might be a chance that he’ll get permission to talk to Bristol and at quarter to six, I went down to see him and we agreed it was the right time for him to move on. He was getting a three-year deal at 29, which is very good, and a large part of his family is down there.

“He got in the car, Liz (Elsom, Head of Football Operations) sent over the agreement at 8:30, which they agreed with and told us so at nine o’clock. At ten to 11, we were told he was still not registered. You can put a request in to get another 15 minutes and they didn’t do that until 20 past 11. Unbelievable, we were just like ‘what?’

“They just failed to get him registerd, nothing else can be done. That’s the danger if you leave it until the last minute to try and sign someone rather than doing it three or four days previous. That’s the risk they run and they’ve made a mistake. We did everything we could.”

Let me get this right. You can request a 15 minute extension of the 11pm deadline but they didn't do so until 11.20? Was Wael's nice watch not working?

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1 hour ago, chinapig said:

Let me get this right. You can request a 15 minute extension of the 11pm deadline but they didn't do so until 11.20? Was Wael's nice watch not working?

From the EFL Website:

What is a quick application? 

If a club is in a ‘Full Application’ at 22:30:00, they will receive a warning that states the system will open a ‘Quick Application’ at 22:45:00, where only certain fields need to be completed.  

In those last 15 minutes of the Transfer Window, EFL systems allow Clubs to submit the necessary registration form without completing the full application process. Where they do this, the Clubs then have a further 15 minutes to then complete the full application process. This avoids Clubs missing the deadline in circumstances where they have agreed and signed all necessary documents with another Club and the player before 11pm, but still need time to complete the full application.   

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9 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said:

According to companies house these people are the company secretary.  But it looks like Louise Smith has/is fulfilling several roles at the sags.

 

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Sorry is this related to something earlier in the thread?

If you are thinking these people are responsible for the deadline day debacle, that's not correct.

My wife worked for a firm until she retired, supplying Company Secretary services, she had up to 900 Companies in her portfolio at any one time. She had nothing to do with the day to day running of them, she just ensured that they complied with all the legal requirements around changes to Directorships, filings at Companies House, etc. 

Having your own CSA is expensive, which is why many Companies, big and small outsource it. Lots of people don't realise this however, hence the fact they would often get bailiffs at their offices demanding payments. :)

I don't know anyone at Taylor Wessing, but I am sure they would like to be distanced from any blame in this case.

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8 hours ago, Midlands Robin said:

Looking at the statement above, if we imagine that JCH left Portsmouth to travel up to Bristol at around 6pm, he would have got there for around 8 to 8:30. It's roughly a 2 hour journey.

That fits nicely with the time line. The Posh send over the paperwork at 8:30 and the Sags agree to the deal at 9pm.

According to a statement from the circus, there were some changes to the paperwork that held things up. This clearly can't be the case if Ferguson is telling the truth as the Sags agreed the paperwork at 9pm. The only changes after that point must have come from JCH or his agent if there were any. Either way, 2 hours should have been more than enought time to sort all of that out and send the registration paperwork in to the FA.

As Ferguson said, it is possible to send in an agreement form and get a short extension to enable the paperwork to be finalised after 11pm. This cearly wasn't done.

So, there are a few questions that need asking:

1) Why, if he wanted the move, didn't JCH press the Sags to get the deal done after the two clubs had agreed terms at 9pm?

2) If Ferguson is correct and the agreement between the clubs took place at 9pm then who was responsible for the paperwork changes after that point?

3) Why didn't the Sags send in the relevant paperwork to extend the deadline?

 

The only person who knew how to operate a fax machine was unreachable

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It's not fair looking to put blame on gAss staff, it's not like this happens a lot.
Yeah, planning thing , but that wasn't their fault and this is wholly down to the EFL refusing the changes to the contract at the last minute. Now I obviously don't know what the changes were, but if you have been working on something for weeks, why leave it until the last minute to change things with a deadline looming ?

Rovers did address their supporters though with a statement ; It read:

"This morning an EFL representative confirmed that our contract application for Jonson Clarke-Harris was rejected.

"The club had worked throughout the day to agree terms with Peterborough, the player and his representatives, however, late changes to the deal prevented it being completed.

"The outcome is a disappointing one for all involved however, everything possible was done to finalise the agreement and register the required documents with the EFL ahead of the deadline."

If it was us, we would be fuming on here.
Joey , quoted on Bristol Live ( which they probably got from his Twitter feed) ;

after being asked about a potential January return for Clarke-Harris, who's in the final 12 months of his contract at London Road: "I don't know. January is a long way away. I might not even be sitting in the seat. You've got to take care of business every single week."

Planning an escape ??

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What absolutely amazes me is that there are still Gasheads who refuse to believe it could the fault of anyone to do with the club. ?

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‘Shitheads’ high up in the club

McAnthony

’Big’ JCB

I mean FFS, have they been living in a cave for the last 10 years?
Rovers are exactly known for being professional are they? ?

**** up followed by **** up followed by **** up.

The gift.

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12 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

What absolutely amazes me is that there are still Gasheads who refuse to believe it could the fault of anyone to do with the club. ?

Agents

EFL Conspiracy 

‘Shitheads’ high up in the club

McAnthony

’Big’ JCB

I mean FFS, have they been living in a cave for the last 10 years?
Rovers are exactly known for being professional are they? ?

**** up followed by **** up followed by **** up.

The gift.

But that’s why things like this keep happening to them. Unless you start fronting up to your failings, learn from them and try to improve you’ll keep going around in circles.

Not all, but too many gas heads think their club is perfect (swallowing all the tripe they are fed) and that things like this happen because everyone is out to get them. 

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1 minute ago, milo1111 said:

But that’s why things like this keep happening to them. Unless you start fronting up to your failings, learn from them and try to improve you’ll keep going around in circles.

Not all, but too many gas heads think their club is perfect (swallowing all the tripe they are fed) and that things like this happen because everyone is out to get them. 

You’re spot on. They should be furious with the club for continuing to make them a laughing stock, not just to us but other clubs in the area and their division.

Its like some weird cult where anyone who dares to say “this isn’t good enough” is told to go to trashton.

They’ve got the Circus they deserve.

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11 hours ago, Loosey Boy said:

Judging by that interview with Darren Ferguson, they had more than enough time to sort the deal - sounds like a bit of a game has been played by Wally!

Making it look to the Gas ‘Eds that they were prepared to invest nigh on a million quid (and a big, three year contract for JCB), only for it to not then happen.

What an unprofessional outfit they’ve proven to be yet again

And too look like that new middle eastern invester actually is investing. 

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11 hours ago, Midlands Robin said:

Darren Ferguson's comments for those who haven't or can't be arsed to, listen to the interview:

“It was a very hectic last day but up until 10 to 11, it was quite smooth. Jonno travelled with the team in the morning, we had the team meeting about Portsmouth and he would have been in the team, he played very well last week.

“At about five o’clock the chairman told me there might be a chance that he’ll get permission to talk to Bristol and at quarter to six, I went down to see him and we agreed it was the right time for him to move on. He was getting a three-year deal at 29, which is very good, and a large part of his family is down there.

“He got in the car, Liz (Elsom, Head of Football Operations) sent over the agreement at 8:30, which they agreed with and told us so at nine o’clock. At ten to 11, we were told he was still not registered. You can put a request in to get another 15 minutes and they didn’t do that until 20 past 11. Unbelievable, we were just like ‘what?’

“They just failed to get him registerd, nothing else can be done. That’s the danger if you leave it until the last minute to try and sign someone rather than doing it three or four days previous. That’s the risk they run and they’ve made a mistake. We did everything we could.”

Smells of trying to raise funds but weren't able too, or trying to make space on the wage bill

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They’re going mental over the price of tickets and food and drink too. 
 

Not one of them has put 2+2 together that they don’t have much money, ridiculously demolishing the old stand and reducing the capacity by a decent % means that they have to try and get their revenue back somehow. That’s by increasing the costs of everything else. 

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53 mins ago. ?

Wait a minute, what about international (or regional) time zones?

The clock on the church on Corn Street with the steeplejacks has an extra hand as Bristol is 3 or 4 minutes behind GMT.

Therefore, we were actually within time!

I'm sure that is a scientific fact, so unless the FA rules stipulated GMT, we have them over a barrel.

Everyone knows deals in Bristol have to be done on the Corn St nails so it should use the time at that location!
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22 minutes ago, paignton red said:

53 mins ago. ?

Wait a minute, what about international (or regional) time zones?

The clock on the church on Corn Street with the steeplejacks has an extra hand as Bristol is 3 or 4 minutes behind GMT.

Therefore, we were actually within time!

I'm sure that is a scientific fact, so unless the FA rules stipulated GMT, we have them over a barrel.

Everyone knows deals in Bristol have to be done on the Corn St nails so it should use the time at that location!
?

I think you’ll find that it was actually 57 minutes ago … in Corn Street, obviously. Everyone knows that ffs. :noexp:

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2 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

I think you’ll find that it was actually 57 minutes ago … in Corn Street, obviously. Everyone knows that ffs. :noexp:

Shit, easy mistake rudolph, for some reason yesterday i couldn't get the match on robins t.v. so i had  to go to Belgium and forgot to come back, so that's where i got confused. :laugh:.

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5 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Is it a condition of Slagchat that every poster has to have ‘gas’ somewhere in their username? It smacks of North Korea. 

Yes.

As an aside you also see a few (& how appropriate) car registrations around with yew tee gee (for some reason this keeps defaulting to FTG) all a bit pathetic, isn’t it?

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47 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Yes.

As an aside you also see a few (& how appropriate) car registrations around with yew tee gee (for some reason this keeps defaulting to FTG) all a bit pathetic, isn’t it?

At least you can spot the Tinpot supporter, point and laugh your bollocks off as they drive past on their drive of shame.

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13 minutes ago, weepywall said:

This JCH fiasco is either a massive f... up on the administration side or it was never going to happen...not sure on which senario but one thing I am sure about is thank god my dad took me to AG Instead of Eastville 50 odd years back ?

I think the key point was they lost Loft the same night. If it was all smoke and mirrors they would have kept Loft?

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9 minutes ago, weepywall said:

This JCH fiasco is either a massive f... up on the administration side or it was never going to happen...not sure on which senario but one thing I am sure about is thank god my dad took me to AG Instead of Eastville 50 odd years back ?

They have a history of being cheap and shady. It's in their DNA.

Esmond Millions Bung (what happened to that poster?), dodgy deals to steal the Mem, trying to steal The Gate, Woman Beaters R Us, only Bristol club to be named on Crimewatch, Trumpton, Tents dotted around the ground, plastic chairs all over the gaff (no bollox, TWO of their subs had to brought out chairs to sit on yesterday), wanting people to do DIY for nothing, expecting developers to build them stadiums for nothing, still failing to lay out more than a Tilson - fill in the many tens of examples I've missed yourselves.........

Then you have the bullshit factor, #Gaslogic, Gas Mathematics etc. etc. - I kid you not one of the mutants wrote on Twitter "the whole of the EFL will be talking about the Gas now we've landed THE BEST STRIKER OUTSIDE THE PREM" - that is a 100% genuine comment about a 29 year old lower league striker (a good one, granted) who has never cut the mustard enough for anyone to splash cash on him at Championship level.

Imagine if your old man had seen the above as being a badge of honour.................

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12 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

I think the key point was they lost Loft the same night. If it was all smoke and mirrors they would have kept Loft?

TBF they pulled down the old "stand" without having everything in place for the new one, so it's not without precedent .

But yeah, probably just totally incompetent . 

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3 hours ago, paignton red said:

53 mins ago. ?

Wait a minute, what about international (or regional) time zones?

The clock on the church on Corn Street with the steeplejacks has an extra hand as Bristol is 3 or 4 minutes behind GMT.

Therefore, we were actually within time!

I'm sure that is a scientific fact, so unless the FA rules stipulated GMT, we have them over a barrel.

Everyone knows deals in Bristol have to be done on the Corn St nails so it should use the time at that location!
?

You’ve got something there. Did anyone tell the new Rovers owner that we’re on Summer Time in the UK? It’s probably one of those gert Teds who confused him or, possibly, Wael’s cheap imitation Rolex watch was showing the wrong time 

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1 hour ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

I think the key point was they lost Loft the same night. If it was all smoke and mirrors they would have kept Loft?

IT'S SMITH! And the roof has just come off here at Ashton Gate.

Meanwhile....

And the Loft has just been palmed off (with a degree of regret) over at the Mem.

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