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21 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I see the fruit market is 100% confirmed now as not happening and they are definitely staying put!  
 

 

The new owner is clearly telling porkies, because Henbury Gas has an imaginary friend who works in planning and said the fruit market was a done deal and that Marvin wants it.

And it isn't as if someone with his history of being honest and truthful would be anything but accurate.

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55 minutes ago, Boring Sag said:

I think we'll probably win today, but I'm not sure on the improving spirits thing. Barton is a weird character and outside of the game I will agree is a very awful person, I was rooting for him a bit when he joined on that front because you know, bad reputations can stick and I thought he could've changed. And then he beat up his wife and I was like "well so much for that!" It seems like, however, he's a pretty good man-manager, which is surprising but it also applies for Mourinho. Mourinho would absolutely ruin players in the media, think Martial or Mata. I remember Essien saying however that players would want to die for Mourinho. I don't think it's a coincidence that it seems loaned, young players tended to do well (Taylor, Thomas, Anderson, Quansah, Gibson, Crama, Bogarde, Connolly etc.) and a fair few despite probably being able to get better offers decided to come back. Hell, people don't forget but Barton was just as critical of Luke Thomas when we were in League 2, yet he decided to come back. It's a weird occurrence, but I would doubt the majority of the players are thinking "wow, thank God we got rid of him!" I imagine for most it was probably a shock and seemed premature.

It's changed. Now it's Garry Monk. Super curious what City fans would think about that appointment (try to be unbiased!!)

I would think that Gark Monk would be very good appointment for Rovers.

I'd be surprised if he'd stoop that low - but who knows how desperate he is..

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6 minutes ago, phantom said:

So did Michael Knighton - assuming you are old enough to know who I mean 

To be fair I've not heard it

Yes , of course , words are cheap , but at least he has a plan , a realistic one I’d guess , and he did speak in a sensible logical manner

Whether he can deliver whether off or on the pitch another thing entirely of course 

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1 hour ago, petehinton said:

That new co owner interview, **** me has anyone ever sounded more clueless in their life 

New manager needs to be young, experienced but not that experienced, have promotion out of league one on their cv, or even premier league experience. **** me. 

I'm sure he said that today was due to be a record attendance..!

Breaking what record exactly..?!

They had 8,500 there with just under 600 away fans.

I can only assume he just meant they were expecting their biggest gate of the season..?

And their knob of an ex player co-commentating actually claimed that the Mem had "one of the best atmospheres in the country"..! 😂😂😂

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Just listened back to him on RB.

So FM is off, he says they will just get loans/investment to build the other 3 sides to The Mem and recoup from extra revenue, I'm no business man but I don't think it's just as easy as that, especially as a football club.

Also, he alluded to the fact the FM was way off when he came in and that anything he says will be what's happening and actually agreed, too not get fans hopes up etc. in the future.  What with the video they put out and what everyone was saying in here (The FM news was no news) he's pretty much said that Wael has been leading the Blue Few up the Garden Path these last few years. Wael has never had the mass money required and I don't think this dude has either. Still, they'll lap it all up.

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5 minutes ago, chowie said:

Just listened back to him on RB.

So FM is off, he says they will just get loans/investment to build the other 3 sides to The Mem and recoup from extra revenue, I'm no business man but I don't think it's just as easy as that, especially as a football club.

Also, he alluded to the fact the FM was way off when he came in and that anything he says will be what's happening and actually agreed, too not get fans hopes up etc. in the future.  What with the video they put out and what everyone was saying in here (The FM news was no news) he's pretty much said that Wael has been leading the Blue Few up the Garden Path these last few years. Wael has never had the mass money required and I don't think this dude has either. Still, they'll lap it all up.

They`ll all bow down to the new messiah until, as usual, it becomes overwhelmingly obvious even to their tiny minds that he is just another in a long line of frauds and charlatans. 

Snake oil anyone?

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1 hour ago, chowie said:

Just listened back to him on RB.

So FM is off, he says they will just get loans/investment to build the other 3 sides to The Mem and recoup from extra revenue, I'm no business man but I don't think it's just as easy as that, especially as a football club.

Also, he alluded to the fact the FM was way off when he came in and that anything he says will be what's happening and actually agreed, too not get fans hopes up etc. in the future.  What with the video they put out and what everyone was saying in here (The FM news was no news) he's pretty much said that Wael has been leading the Blue Few up the Garden Path these last few years. Wael has never had the mass money required and I don't think this dude has either. Still, they'll lap it all up.

I think it has been obvious since they looked to develop the end with all the tents that they were staying put.

Actually think it makes sense, the ground is in their part of the City & if they had the money there is plenty of room to develop it, but then they have to collide with reality.

It is absolutely prohibitive to redevelop an existing ground & they also have nothing they can use as collateral to base any loan on.

The Ashton Gate rebuild cost circa £45m & that was nearly 10 years ago, the cost of everything in that industry has skyrocketed since.

They’ll end up with their new stand in 2024 & then any further significant development of their ground will mysteriously be forgotten about.

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1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm sure he said that today was due to be a record attendance..!

Breaking what record exactly..?!

They had 8,500 there with just under 600 away fans.

I can only assume he just meant they were expecting their biggest gate of the season..?

And their knob of an ex player co-commentating actually claimed that the Mem had "one of the best atmospheres in the country"..! 😂😂😂

Bizarre interview.

Definitely said a “record attendance” maybe as you said he meant highest crowd of the season? No idea if 8500 is, he just appeared to be talking absolute bollocks.

Said they were “only 5 points from the playoffs” it is actually 7, with a vastly inferior goal difference, too.

His criteria for a manager seemed to be “young” yet having “won promotion to the Championship” he then appeared to imply it would also be good if they’d won promotion “higher than that”.

**** knows who he thinks might be interested, the current Ipswich manager?

The plans for developing the ground appeared to be to do 3 sides of it over time but he was “hoping” for loans from banks. That really sounded like it was going to happen…

Bet BCC & the local residents were also delighted to hear though that “from now on” they were going to do any development “by the book” which just confirmed that they hadn’t been doing so before.

Wonder if he has a nice watch?

 

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47 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

 

The plans for developing the ground appeared to be to do 3 sides of it over time but he was “hoping” for loans from banks. That really sounded like it was going to happen…

Bet BCC & the local residents were also delighted to hear though that “from now on” they were going to do any development “by the book” which just confirmed that they hadn’t been doing so before.

Wonder if he has a nice watch?

 

in other words,they are going to finish the half lit end stand,or shadow shed for short, then go down the long road of planning for which they have history of never completing

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3 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm sure he said that today was due to be a record attendance..!

Breaking what record exactly..?!

They had 8,500 there with just under 600 away fans.

I can only assume he just meant they were expecting their biggest gate of the season..?

And their knob of an ex player co-commentating actually claimed that the Mem had "one of the best atmospheres in the country"..! 😂😂😂

I'm sure he meant 'atmospheric'

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Isn't part of their planning application that their new stand is a "Temporary" structure.... yet now they say it is the 1st phase of their ground redevelopment at which they now plan to stay "permanently"...?

If it's now a long term plan, surely it's not really fit for purpose & therefore needs different planning & design..?

It's a good job this decision has come to light before they have received their planning permission & started to build the thing........ oh, wait.....!

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So the Fruit Market is a no go ? 

Well , I for one am shocked .  
I am also glad as I go past there every time I go near Bedminster. 
The next phase of the Mem will be interesting.
Does the Lego come down and start again ? Will it become a permanent structure ? Settle back for a boring ride.

Anticipation Popcorn GIF

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I think that this could be a real sliding doors moment. The Fruit Market site would have been a premium position- forget what’s there now, the whole St Phillips area is getting rebuilt. Would certainly been a major competitor to Ashton Gate. 
 

As is, they’re making the decision Nick Higgs should have made, before engaging in stadium Willy waving with UWE.  That being said, plans fell through last time they tried a rebuild because the student flat element fell through, so I’m not sure how the sums stack up for this rebuild scheme- unless it will be a semi-permanent set of structures.

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Another thing that will be interesting is how they will go about redeveloping the East Side & the Thatchers end.

One by one, those sides of the ground will have to be lost for season, which will reduce their capacity by a substantial amount (comparitively).

Plus to expand either can only be done by reducing their car park areas, which will further impact the congestion on an already over crowded area on match/event days.

I don't think their new owner has really thought it through very much atall - indeed, he didn't even seem to have much idea about how it would be paid for even.!

I can fully see the ground remaining in its current sorry state in 10 years time & then they'll probably release more pie in the sky plans for moving to a new site - & that will be sufficient to keep the deluded halfwits content that the club has "ambitious plans" 

The only style ground that I could see fitting on their site footprint is something like Loftus Loftus Road- you know, the horrible, outdated, not really fit for purpose ground..!

Non match day revenue really relies on expansive conference areas - & I can't see how any stand that they could fit onto that site would give adequate provision for facilities like that - let alone the cost of building such facilities, if it were even possible to design.

If Ashton Gate cost £50 million to revamp, several years ago - they'd probably need a similar budget to produce half the size & would struggle to fit into the size of the site anyway.

It will be interesting to see they come up with & then how accepting the local residents will be.!

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4 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Not a chance in hell any of it gets redeveloped. Absolutely none.  New boy will realise, get bored and shocked at the amount of money he’s losing each week and look for a way out.  

By far the most likely outcome.

His advisors will have said "just tell the idiots something - they will lap it up, not question a word you are saying & it will buy you a few years, without actually needing to do anything"

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6 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Not a chance in hell any of it gets redeveloped. Absolutely none.  New boy will realise, get bored and shocked at the amount of money he’s losing each week and look for a way out.  

But another announced change in plan will keep the fewers happy for another decade before any of them are brave enough to question anything.

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48 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

I think that this could be a real sliding doors moment. The Fruit Market site would have been a premium position- forget what’s there now, the whole St Phillips area is getting rebuilt. Would certainly been a major competitor to Ashton Gate. 
 

As is, they’re making the decision Nick Higgs should have made, before engaging in stadium Willy waving with UWE.  That being said, plans fell through last time they tried a rebuild because the student flat element fell through, so I’m not sure how the sums stack up for this rebuild scheme- unless it will be a semi-permanent set of structures.

The new owner mentioned something about loans with repayments covered by increased revenue. As the club is currently losing money all increased revenue would do, should it materialise, is reduces the losses.  The interest on loans is going to make the financial situation worse. He sounded like a nice chap on the Radio Bristol interview, but a bit innocent in football matters. 

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34 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

If they rebuild all 4 sides with real stands I'd be amazed 

He said they were only looking to revamp 3.

The thin long stand down one side that looks a bit like a cricket pavilion & has corporate boxes is apparently being left as it is.

There is room opposite it, the stand that bizarrely doesn’t go the whole length of the side could be added to, or demolished & replaced by one that does.

Like the Lansdown it has the capacity to go taller because it isn’t near to any housing.

He talked about having a 16-17k capacity, I have no idea how many the South Stand under construction will add to their current 9k? but assuming that is say around 3k it doesn’t seem too many more for what would be significant expenditure, does it?

This is all before we get to where the money comes from.

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6 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

The new owner mentioned something about loans with repayments covered by increased revenue. As the club is currently losing money all increased revenue would do, should it materialise, is reduces the losses.  The interest on loans is going to make the financial situation worse. He sounded like a nice chap on the Radio Bristol interview, but a bit innocent in football matters. 

Which they seem to love, he said he wasn't going make unreasonable claims which suggests that they think Wael of (less) Fortune "WOLF" did, and because he mentioned figures and a vague plan about off pitch revenue they are mostly really impressed. 

There are a couple that have voiced suspicions about the timing of the interview being PB (Post Barton), and questioning the practicalities, but of course they are being shouted down.

I do love the description of their ideal Manager though, he wants "a young inexperienced (cheap) man with experience (slightly more expensive), who is hungry for success (cheap) but has a promotion on his record (expensive) preferably to the Championship!

Sounds realistic, the number of potential candidates must number in the ones or twos I would think. 

At least there was no mention of a influx of young up and coming players or staff from the Arabic world, another of "WOLFs" blue sky ideas.

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9 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

The new owner mentioned something about loans with repayments covered by increased revenue. As the club is currently losing money all increased revenue would do, should it materialise, is reduces the losses.  The interest on loans is going to make the financial situation worse. He sounded like a nice chap on the Radio Bristol interview, but a bit innocent in football matters. 

"Joey Barton is a friend of all of us. We have the upmost respect for him & there will always be a seat here for him any time he wants to come"

Says it all really - tolerating his violent, abusive, scumbag ways, if he is doing an exceptional job is one thing.

Choosing a person like that as your "friend" & being someone you respect, is entirely different & says everything about their level of standards..!

My initial thoughts were that he sound like a nice enough, albeit naive guy - but the reality is that his interview couldn't have been anymore full of empty words & unsubstantiated shite if he'd tried..!

To add to the above comments about JB, you can add...

Manager search - "someone not too experienced - but with experience of promotion from league 1 & possibly higher than that - but young & not experienced"...! Utterly clueless!

Stadium - "FM plans are dead. We will redevelop the Mem in 3 phases - starting with the Sounth stand (which doesn't have planning & is almost fully built, as a temporary structure.!

I'd like a stadium that has capacity for 18-20k, but it will probably be 16-17k.

We will speak to architects & then actually look into doing things properly & maybe even actually apply for planning permission for things from now on..!

No idea how we plan to pay for it! We don't have any money, so will need to see what payday loan sharks might fun the project, for a club that looses money & has no idea what our plans actually are.

We need to create non match day revenue, but don't know how we will do it, or fit anything that could do into the concourses of a bodge job rebuild that we'd have to get done on the cheap.

The whole interview wreaked of no plan, no idea, no money, no clue about how anything works...

 

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6 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

"Joey Barton is a friend of all of us. We have the upmost respect for him & there will always be a seat here for him any time he wants to come"

Says it all really - tolerating his violent, abusive, scumbag ways, if he is doing an exceptional job is one thing.

Choosing a person like that as your "friend" & being someone you respect, is entirely different & says everything about their level of standards..!

My initial thoughts were that he sound like a nice enough, albeit naive guy - but the reality is that his interview couldn't have been anymore full of empty words & unsubstantiated shite if he'd tried..!

To add to the above comments about JB, you can add...

Manager search - "someone not too experienced - but with experience of promotion from league 1 & possibly higher than that - but young & not experienced"...! Utterly clueless!

Stadium - "FM plans are dead. We will redevelop the Mem in 3 phases - starting with the Sounth stand (which doesn't have planning & is almost fully built, as a temporary structure.!

I'd like a stadium that has capacity for 18-20k, but it will probably be 16-17k.

We will speak to architects & then actually look into doing things properly & maybe even actually apply for planning permission for things from now on..!

No idea how we plan to pay for it! We don't have any money, so will need to see what payday loan sharks might fun the project, for a club that looses money & has no idea what our plans actually are.

We need to create non match day revenue, but don't know how we will do it, or fit anything that could do into the concourses of a bodge job rebuild that we'd have to get done on the cheap.

The whole interview wreaked of no plan, no idea, no money, no clue about how anything works...

 

So sort of rinse and repeat from Wael, but a little more aware of their situation.

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7 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

"Joey Barton is a friend of all of us. We have the upmost respect for him & there will always be a seat here for him any time he wants to come"

Says it all really - tolerating his violent, abusive, scumbag ways, if he is doing an exceptional job is one thing.

Choosing a person like that as your "friend" & being someone you respect, is entirely different & says everything about their level of standards..!

 

 

 

It might be pertinent to note that there are no laws about domestic violence in Kuwait, you can only be done if you've breached a non-contact order, not for the violence itself. Additionally, "honour killings" of women by male relatives are punished by a fine, not imprisonment. 

Unsurprisingly, 82% of Kuwaiti women surveyed said they thought DV was a problem in their country. 

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Just now, Red-Robbo said:

 

It might be pertinent to note that there are no laws about domestic violence in Kuwait, you can only be done if you've breached a non-contact order, not for the violence itself. Additionally, "honour killings" of women by male relatives are punished by a fine, not imprisonment. 

Unsurprisingly, 82% of Kuwaiti women surveyed said they thought DV was a problem in their country. 

I don't think JB's violent tenancies have ever been limited towards his wife.!

Look up his record/history & see attacks on teammates, opposition, fellow managers, members of the public & his wife - those are just the physical abuse charges - he's very well demonstrated his verbal tendencies over the past few weeks....

A lovely "respected friend" for the club to have..!

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17 minutes ago, 22A said:

We can confirm that Manager Paul Hurst and Assistant Manager Chris Doig have left their roles at Grimsby Town Football Club.

Could they be heading for the Mem? Would Grimsby want Joey in return?

Or is it just that they are fourth from bottom of League 2?

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2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I don't think their new owner has really thought it through very much atall - indeed, he didn't even seem to have much idea about how it would be paid for even.!

I can fully see the ground remaining in its current sorry state in 10 years time & then they'll probably release more pie in the sky plans for moving to a new site - & that will be sufficient to keep the deluded halfwits content that the club has "ambitious plans" 

 

ALWAYS the case with the various different "schemes" they have dreamt up.

Meanwhile assheads suck it up as gospel. They will be discussing their seating arrangements in the new revamped shithole soon (if it hasn't started already ?)

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1 minute ago, The Gasbuster said:

ALWAYS the case with the various different "schemes" they have dreamt up.

Meanwhile assheads suck it up as gospel. They will be discussing their seating arrangements in the new revamped shithole soon (if it hasn't started already ?)

A point re: seating - when he was asked if it would be all seater or mixed & he said "no it will be plenty of standing.... safe standing"

As if he didn't actually have a clue that safe standing areas involve seats being in place.

 

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I'd love be an architect right now - although doubt they'd check if I told them I were.....

"Yes, the best way to redevelop a ground is to knock it down & then apply for planning permission.

Don't worry if the there are hold ups in getting approval, because you can just carry on & start building it anyway - there won't be any problems with that...."

Oh wait.... someone has already jumped ahead of me on that scam...!

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1 hour ago, italian dave said:

I know this has been a big day, but standards have to be maintained.

There’s no excuse for this thread having hit the depths of page 2. 

Yes even in our darkest moments they can still find some way of cheering us up. Now no chance of a new ground in my lifetime and the new owners can't afford to rebuild the Mem themselves. Oh dear.

This video hasn't aged well (warning - contains some disturbing scenes for Bristol City supporters)

"It's absolutely vital and important for this club to have a new modern stadium. It's a big project and we are moving in the right direction" followed by some shots of some railway sidings.

 

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22 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Isn't part of their planning application that their new stand is a "Temporary" structure.... yet now they say it is the 1st phase of their ground redevelopment at which they now plan to stay "permanently"...?

If it's now a long term plan, surely it's not really fit for purpose & therefore needs different planning & design..?

It's a good job this decision has come to light before they have received their planning permission & started to build the thing........ oh, wait.....!

I believe and I’m not 100% on this but the Term “temporary” in reference to the stand their building doesn’t mean “limited time.”

But in fact is. Do with the fact it’s demountable and can be taken apart for what ever reason and reassembled! 
 

just what I was told not sure if it’s true!

22 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Isn't part of their planning application that their new stand is a "Temporary" structure.... yet now they say it is the 1st phase of their ground redevelopment at which they now plan to stay "permanently"...?

If it's now a long term plan, surely it's not really fit for purpose & therefore needs different planning & design..?

It's a good job this decision has come to light before they have received their planning permission & started to build the thing........ oh, wait.....!

I believe and I’m not 100% on this but the Term “temporary” in reference to the stand their building doesn’t mean “limited time.”

But in fact is. Do with the fact it’s demountable and can be taken apart for what ever reason and reassembled! 
 

just what I was told not sure if it’s true!

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9 hours ago, fgrsimon said:

Yes even in our darkest moments they can still find some way of cheering us up. Now no chance of a new ground in my lifetime and the new owners can't afford to rebuild the Mem themselves. Oh dear.

This video hasn't aged well (warning - contains some disturbing scenes for Bristol City supporters)

"It's absolutely vital and important for this club to have a new modern stadium. It's a big project and we are moving in the right direction" followed by some shots of some railway sidings.

 

Ha ha! And all that now demonstrates is how they’ve gone gradually but consistently backwards in terms of the grounds they play in! 

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11 hours ago, fgrsimon said:

Yes even in our darkest moments they can still find some way of cheering us up. Now no chance of a new ground in my lifetime and the new owners can't afford to rebuild the Mem themselves. Oh dear.

This video hasn't aged well (warning - contains some disturbing scenes for Bristol City supporters)

"It's absolutely vital and important for this club to have a new modern stadium. It's a big project and we are moving in the right direction" followed by some shots of some railway sidings.

 

Considering that the council are beefing with them over their *current* development not being done through proper channels, this is an interesting take.

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1 hour ago, bcfc01 said:

I've seen them quoting some names for their new manager, but with us now looking for a new manager :ranting:it means the best candidates out there will potentially be heading to AG rather than their dump.

They probably think they are shopping in the same store!

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"There will be three sides and there will be three phases. That is something that we hope we can finance. We hope we can find banks or other financial institutions who can finance this because it will hopefully increase the revenue. All of this is to sustain the club and increase the revenue and keep the sport budget as high as possible. It is very important to get our stadium done well,"
 

so they dont have a pot to pi55 in

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1 hour ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

So apparently planning permission for the new stand has been fast tracked and should be granted in 2 weeks. Just goes to show that if you do it right by the rules you get objections and  constant delays but just go and build it without planning and it gets accepted.

I think what’s been ‘fast-tracked’ is the re-submitted application. In other words they didn’t make that new one go right to the back of the queue, but just replaced the old one with it.

That old one was originally due to be put to Councillors mid October: it’s now going to be mid November.

They’ll get consent; there was never any realistic doubt about that. We can’t be sure til the meeting agrees it whether or what conditions will be applied. 

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