Adam Nagy

[steviestevieneville]

13 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

hope he wants to stay but would not be surprised if he has asked to leave. if he goes he will need to be replaced cant unfortunately imo trust taylor moore. dont think he is championship standard.

What ! what has.  taylor Moore got to do with it & you do know Nagy is a midfielder , right ? 
he doesn’t need to be replaced either , we got plenty of midfielders. 

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Accounts due to be published soon. I'd be amazed were they anything other than catastrophic £40-£45m loss? Net debt pushing upward of £150m.

In which case anything of value must go. Expensive liabilities we can offload, ditto.

Agreed. Although converting debts to equity will see us fine there is only so much that Lansdown can give without there being some form of cutbacks and money coming the other way. I think he's landed on his feet having Pearson to manage this part of his ownership tbh, a man who will just matter of factly say it how it is and just as importantly is seemingly happy to work within the constraints. If we can just show some patience the next 2-3 years could be Steve's most successful in a strange type of way because you can guarantee there will be plenty of clubs currently in denial who will be hitting stormier waters than us ahead and don't have a billionaire owner prepared to convert debt to share equity.

Steve may well have looked at the wages of Kalas, Nagy and Wells and asked Nigel "how much can we offload them for and how much weaker will we be without them?".

[BTRFTG]

All true, but I wonder how much further football (possibly The Treasury) will allow what is to all intents and purposes, flouting of financial controls. Debt to equity sounds grand, as did Loan Charge Arrangements to the self-employed and look what happened when they were corrected realigned as deliberate avoidance.

Only the deluded imagine SL believes he will ever be repaid any loans or equity investments in full. It may not technically be 'cheating; In spirit it is.

[Davefevs]

13 hours ago, Marco the red said:

The point is he SHOULD be a sitter for us. City have used him as a CAM and a wide attacker FFS he has been woefully managed by multiple managers.

Really though one this….we haven’t really played a “sitter” since he got injured….we didn’t really play one in his first game and a half for us….it was already a midfield alongside Brownhill and Palmer.

Lots of two sided questions:

Has he adapted / should we have played more like Hungary?

Did he take his chances in different central midfield roles / did we expect him to do well in unfamiliar roles?  Was he really expected to be so one-dimensional?

etc

Its not a one sided argument, failures on both sides imho.  Ultimately he hasn’t hit the levels with any consistency.  Overall it’s a poor recruit because we haven’t got the best out of him, but nor has he excelled or contributed enough either.

He’s only played wide a couple of times, Pearson just trying to get through the season with whatever he had available to him. The vast majority of games hes played CM in various roles.

 

[Davefevs]

6 hours ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said:

Dave we had a long discussion about Nagy earlier in the summer, especially anout positions etc. 

When picked for us he's played in the roles that have been asked of him by managers who seemingly want to play him here there and everywhere. 

Personally I think he can and probably would excel in a more forward 3 and we've had that discussion too. 

However here we are with his place in the team being taken over by someone who's 30 plus and not played Champs football in donkeys

It marks the 3rd successive manager who's tried to square peg, round hole or left him out completely. 

A few have mentioned bit part elsewhere  Nagy came through at a similar age to HNM at Ferencvaros and then went to Bologna in Serie A to carry on learning. (being a similar age to Vyner at Aberdeen etc there, but clearly at a much higher level.) 

We've literally been a step down for him, and not utilised the asset we have. 

Wouldn't be shocked to see him in the Prem and am absolutely dismayed as to how much we've wasted a player of his calibre. 

 

Think the image from transfermarkt in my post above shows that he’s been asked to play Central Midfield in the vast majority of games.

So hardly here there and everywhere!

And then you suggest playing him in ANOTHER position?

 

4 hours ago, petehinton said:

Think there seems to be a lot of people who’ve forgotten we’ve gone through/are still going through a global pandemic, and Nagy is one of many who’s living miles away from family/friends. 
 

he’s just had his first kid, that’s not the greatest combination. Don’t blame him for wanting out one bit

Yep, and a valid reason he wants to leave….no arguments at all from me on that score.

But most of us are discussing his ability on the pitch.  If his outside world is having that big an impact on his playing performances, then it was a bad recruit from us and a poor decision to come here from us.  But on alleged £16-18k p.w you might see the motivation???

Ultimately he’s an okay CM in the Championship, technically decent on the ball, great stamina, ill-disciplined off the ball on occasion and weak in the tackle.  He has admitted himself he hasn’t settled.

Hopefully we will sell him on for favourable financial returns….but i genuinely don’t see us releasing much for a striker from this deal.

Asset Value £750k….so only anything over this amount will really help.

Plus will be take a wage cut?  Can’t see many clubs in Europe wanting to pick up that on top of a fee.

Over to you Richard Gould….try and rescue some money from your predecessor!

[Jerseybean]

Presume a deal is lined up already otherwise can’t see why NP would go public.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-adam-nagy-transfer-5757233

 

[shelts]

I like him and think his type of player could be an asset to our side , NP sees it differently . We would hopefully get over a million so a chance to get him off the wage bill and invest in a striker . We have far too many midfielders . If he doesn’t want to be here then ASAP  

[Davefevs]

40 minutes ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said:

Dave, you've long argued for him playing DM. Your pictogram shows he's played more for us in anything other than that position by 30 odd games or so. 

Not sure how that supports your discussion, when it counters your own long held argument about where he should play. 

Confused. 

No, I argue that he plays as a holding midfielder for Hungary, sat in front of the defence and used to screen a bit, but also in early phases of possession (not that they are a possession-rich team)…that it might be his best chance of succeeding here.

Transfermarkt uses DM and CM defending on formation, so might get given DM in a 4231, but CM in a 352, taken not too much interest in the role.  Pirlo is a DM as is Kante, but both perform it very differently.  What I’m saying is he’s played 54 times in “central midfield”….which is his natural position….but might depend on role given to him.

Personally I don’t care where he plays if he plays well.  Irrespective of position and / or role he hasn’t reached the levels required for Bristol City enough, nor has he consistently reached the kinda levels he has for Hungary….at least the games we’ve seen at international level since he arrived here….because I’d be amazed if more than 2 people on OTIB has genuinely heard of him before he came here.

Happy to explain further if required.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

1 hour ago, Jerseybean said:

Presume a deal is lined up already otherwise can’t see why NP would go public.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-adam-nagy-transfer-5757233

 

Or the opposite, a “come and get him” shout out?

[bcfc01]

21 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Or the opposite, a “come and get him” shout out?

Letting clubs know the player wants out ?

Reduces value surely.

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Letting clubs know the player wants out ?

Reduces value surely.

Yep, but better than letting a player suck £0.75m out of the club in wages by leaving on a free next summer.  Damage limitation, maybe?  Get something now by way of a fee and save the wages.

[Hampshire reds]

To the people who seem to criticise all my posts and u know who you are  i mentioned i hope kalas stays. if you look at the post just before my comment i was replying to the person who said he heard kalas wanted to leave. Of course i know Taylor Moore is not a midfield player. 

[Simon bristol]

18 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

To the people who seem to criticise all my posts and u know who you are  i mentioned i hope kalas stays. if you look at the post just before my comment i was replying to the person who said he heard kalas wanted to leave. Of course i know Taylor Moore is not a midfield player. 

Yes, that ought to have been clear from the discussion on here, and i agree that relying on taylor moore if kalas leaves is asking for trouble, however much of a good lad he is.

[Red Army 75]

Get him out . Think a couple more will be gone. Get a striker and a winger IMO in and possibly a new centre back 

[Garland-sweden]

He understands that he not in the plans of NP. Think its naturell he will leave He is a good player and I Think he Will do fine in a team that the manager believes in him.He played the euros against good teams and did it well. Sorry he did not make it here but thats life. Hope we get good money for him and I wish him well.

[Major Isewater]

22 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Nagy is a regular in a pretty average international team.

That’s not the point though, it’s the quality of players he’s up against that will improve him. 
Being in an average international team means he gets more chances to test himself against the best.

Him and Kalas must be very confident of shining at our level after their recent Euro exploits.

[Nathandao]

20 hours ago, Super said:

Since when has Taylor Moore been a midfielder?

 

20 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

What ! what has.  taylor Moore got to do with it & you do know Nagy is a midfielder , right ? 
he doesn’t need to be replaced either , we got plenty of midfielders. 

Think he is referring to the rumours from further up the page that Kalas wants out too.

[RedRock]

3 hours ago, Garland-sweden said:

He understands that he not in the plans of NP. Think its naturell he will leave He is a good player and I Think he Will do fine in a team that the manager believes in him.He played the euros against good teams and did it well. Sorry he did not make it here but thats life. Hope we get good money for him and I wish him well.

I think he needs a manager that understands his strengths and weaknesses, sets him a role and sticks with it.

By his own admission he tends to be a bit of a headless chicken. He needs to be shackled into a specific role, then he will excel - as shown in the Euro’s. 

We couldn’t have done worse really with a player of his nature, asking him to perform different roles, within constantly changing systems and with a revolving door of players. 

My only doubts with him is whether he’s suited to the physicality and speed of Championship football. Always criticised the ‘mini-me’ philosophy/strategy of LJ…. so, I’ll trust Big Nige’s call on this one.
 

All the best Nagy and at least I won’t now have to listen to 50 different pronunciations  of his name on commentaries. 
 

 

[Bedred31]

Looks like Nagy and Kalas will be gone by the close of this window, while we reinvest (some) of their wages in a big hearted striker from Rotherham or such like. If it works- and these plans do occasionally- we can relax in mid table as other Championship clubs implode financially. But if the new CF turns out to be 8 goals a season tops ( and auto correct initially changed ‘striker’ above to ‘drinker’ !), and Baker does his ACL ( or any one of his other dubious ligaments) in September, this could turn into a grim winter. Being a natural pessimist ( you tend to be when you press 60) I’m telling myself to try and enjoy August and develop a back up hobby, just in case.

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, Bedred31 said:

Looks like Nagy and Kalas will be gone by the close of this window, while we reinvest (some) of their wages in a big hearted striker from Rotherham or such like. If it works- and these plans do occasionally- we can relax in mid table as other Championship clubs implode financially. But if the new CF turns out to be 8 goals a season tops ( and auto correct initially changed ‘striker’ above to ‘drinker’ !), and Baker does his ACL ( or any one of his other dubious ligaments) in September, this could turn into a grim winter. Being a natural pessimist ( you tend to be when you press 60) I’m telling myself to try and enjoy August and develop a back up hobby, just in case.

Just imagine having a top scorer with just 8 goals…..and getting to a play off final.

[Mendip City]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Just imagine having a top scorer with just 8 goals…..and getting to a play off final.

Impossible!

[Garland-sweden]

4 hours ago, Bedred31 said:

Looks like Nagy and Kalas will be gone by the close of this window, while we reinvest (some) of their wages in a big hearted striker from Rotherham or such like. If it works- and these plans do occasionally- we can relax in mid table as other Championship clubs implode financially. But if the new CF turns out to be 8 goals a season tops ( and auto correct initially changed ‘striker’ above to ‘drinker’ !), and Baker does his ACL ( or any one of his other dubious ligaments) in September, this could turn into a grim winter. Being a natural pessimist ( you tend to be when you press 60) I’m telling myself to try and enjoy August and develop a back up hobby, just in case.

We have two internationel players, Nagy and Kalas, both not good enough for Bristol City. Think its both funny and tragic. Last season Kalas was our best defender and played euros this summer, did it well. Nagy injuried a lot and not played in the position he likes, Wells same thing. Maybe Im old fashioned but think we should play the game from the skills of our players. Last season Holden preferd 532, therefore no room for Eliasson. Since Eliasson left we play without a naturel winger, dont count or hope for COD anymore. Sometimes football is simple I remember Terry Cooper said.

[Mr Popodopolous]

On 08/08/2021 at 12:57, BTRFTG said:

Accounts due to be published soon. I'd be amazed were they anything other than catastrophic £40-£45m loss? Net debt pushing upward of £150m.

In which case anything of value must go. Expensive liabilities we can offload, ditto.

From an FFP perspective, that's before Covid losses adjusted out I take it? Added to 2019/20 and halved, also bear in mind it's £5m per year in the usual Allowances quite probably (Academy, Depreciation etc).

What then follows is how much SL can/will fund. Of course the wage bill needs to fall, the Amortisation as well probably by next Summer and stay at reasonable levels for a little while.

My estimates for losses were maybe £30-35m inclusive of FFP costs but before Covid allowances. ie £30-35m then impact of Covid.

[Mr Popodopolous]

As for on the pitch, financial considerations aside I'd probably look to keep both Kalas and Nagy, some games could easily see/have seen a Williams-James-Nagy CM as ideal.

[Mr Popodopolous]

8 hours ago, Bedred31 said:

Looks like Nagy and Kalas will be gone by the close of this window, while we reinvest (some) of their wages in a big hearted striker from Rotherham or such like. If it works- and these plans do occasionally- we can relax in mid table as other Championship clubs implode financially. But if the new CF turns out to be 8 goals a season tops ( and auto correct initially changed ‘striker’ above to ‘drinker’ !), and Baker does his ACL ( or any one of his other dubious ligaments) in September, this could turn into a grim winter. Being a natural pessimist ( you tend to be when you press 60) I’m telling myself to try and enjoy August and develop a back up hobby, just in case.

Why not a useful RB/RWB loanee, striker and maybe wide man.

We have to utilise the loan market well if we sell, not sure Smith would be the answer. Crooks would have been a strong addition, Odemwinya if he's a winger/wide midfielder and has promise.

Have to wonder about how much headroom, Sheffield Wednesday freshly relegated have just signed 12-13 players. Yes a lot left but we had a lot leave too, they've sold nobody of note (£600k for Borner aside). Relegation also means a hit of £5-6m maybe.

I note that they've added:

Peacock-Farrell- Loan, Burnley (PL)

Gibson- Loan (Everton) (PL)

Byers- Free then fee (Swansea) (Championship)

Wing- Loan (Middlesbrough) (Championship)

Gregory- Undisclosed (Stoke) (Championship)

Also added Hunt on a free after he left us, Adeniran from Everton on a free (think was on loan at Wycombe). He might have had wages that were real cheap though, as well as other loanees, one from St Gallen and a young guy from QPR.

About to seek to extend Windass deal as well, or new deal. Seems very odd that they're spending like that in their position emerging from Covid. They couldn't/ didn't even want to sign Pickering from Crewe in Jan on terms Crewe wanted, offering Crewe loan then fee in Summer! 

Could NP utilise some of his Leicester connections? Promising young players at RB, wide area and up front.

Edited August 9, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous

[Dr Balls]

32 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Why not a useful RB/RWB loanee, striker and maybe wide man.

We have to utilise the loan market well if we sell, not sure Smith would be the answer. Crooks would have been a strong addition, Odemwinya if he's a winger/wide midfielder and has promise.

Have to wonder about how much headroom, Sheffield Wednesday freshly relegated have just signed 12-13 players. Yes a lot left but we had a lot leave too, they've sold nobody of note (£600k for Borner aside). Relegation also means a hit of £5-6m maybe.

I note that they've added:

Peacock-Farrell- Loan, Burnley (PL)

Gibson- Loan (Everton) (PL)

Byers- Free then fee (Swansea) (Championship)

Wing- Loan (Middlesbrough) (Championship)

Gregory- Undisclosed (Stoke) (Championship)

Also added Hunt on a free after he left us, Adeniran from Everton on a free (think was on loan at Wycombe). He might have had wages that were real cheap though, as well as other loanees, one from St Gallen and a young guy from QPR.

About to seek to extend Windass deal as well, or new deal. Seems very odd that they're spending like that in their position emerging from Covid. They couldn't/ didn't even want to sign Pickering from Crewe in Jan on terms Crewe wanted, offering Crewe loan then fee in Summer! 

Could NP utilise some of his Leicester connections? Promising young players at RB, wide area and up front.

Any more Leicester old boys more like! Maybe Wes Morgan could replace Kalas. He’s only about 10 years older than him and hardly played in the last year or so. And our last Leicester loanee at centre back didn’t turn out to be quite so good (Benkovic).

I can see both Kalas and Nagy being sold on for both financial and footballing reasons. The question is who we bring in instead, and I am not getting my hopes up. I predict a long and at times quite dire season ahead, toughing it out in the lower reaches of the division.

[sh1t_ref_again]

Not worried about Kalas & Nagy going which will hopefully fund some new players

Despite his good form in the Euros, Kalas was poor for us last season and not a captain

I like Nagy, but the problem with foreign players is they can become homesick and not settle, to have his family in Hungary shows lack of commitment to the club and needs to jog on

[PHILINFRANCE]

26 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Not worried about Kalas & Nagy going which will hopefully fund some new players

Despite his good form in the Euros, Kalas was poor for us last season and not a captain

I like Nagy, but the problem with foreign players is they can become homesick and not settle, to have his family in Hungary shows lack of commitment to the club and needs to jog on

I am not sure having his family in Hungary shows a ‘lack of commitment to the club’.

AN’s partner has just given birth to their first child and perhaps, just perhaps, as her partner (AN) is a full time footballer in England, with little time or experience of raising children, she preferred the support of her mother and family in this new and important task.

Coupled with the restrictions brought about by this horror that is COVID, perhaps AN is missing his partner and newborn baby, thus is unsettled.

It seems quite understandable and normal to me.

Edited August 9, 2021 by PHILINFRANCE

[sh1t_ref_again]

1 minute ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I am not sure having his family in Hungary shows a ‘lack of commitment to the club’.

AN’s partner has just given birth to their first child and perhaps, just perhaps, as her partner (AN) is a full time footballer in England, with little time or experience of raising children, she preferred the support of her mother and family in this new and important task.

Coupled with the restrictions brought about by this horror that is COVID, perhaps AN is missing his partner and newborn baby, thus is unsettled.

It seems quite normal to me.

My understanding is she has never moved here even before covid (so not committed as a family to Bristol), with now having a baby Nagy's got no chance of settling in Bristol and keeping is head straight for football. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

50 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Any more Leicester old boys more like! Maybe Wes Morgan could replace Kalas. He’s only about 10 years older than him and hardly played in the last year or so. And our last Leicester loanee at centre back didn’t turn out to be quite so good (Benkovic).

I can see both Kalas and Nagy being sold on for both financial and footballing reasons. The question is who we bring in instead, and I am not getting my hopes up. I predict a long and at times quite dire season ahead, toughing it out in the lower reaches of the division.

Was thinking more of younger players.

Benkovic tbh we didn't see the best of. At LCB in a back 3, suddenly an improvement under DH.

Moore-Kalas-Benkovic could have been interesting. Plus, Baker and Williams in reserve (was not too sure about the latter age wise).

Or Kalas-Benkovic and at other times, Moore-Benkovic- in the right structure Benkovic can carry it, not bad technically- young enough for a high line.

[WayOutWest]

I really wanted to love Adam.  He is a good player.  He has quietly gone about 54 club appearances.  I think quietly is the key word.  The more he fell out of love with this club, the feelings started get reciprocated.

Intelligent player (you only had to see the job he did for Hungry, marking space in front of their defence), he will find a continental club and flourish with ease.

Best all round for a move.

PS Looking forward to seeing V England next month, where ever he lands.

Stevo

 

Edited August 9, 2021 by WayOutWest

[PHILINFRANCE]

2 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

My understanding is she has never moved here even before covid (so not committed as a family to Bristol), with now having a baby Nagy's got no chance of settling in Bristol and keeping is head straight for football. 

I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure I read some time ago, pre COVID, that AN and his partner had found/were looking for an apartment down by the harbour.

Don’t hold me to it, I have slept several times since I read (or imagined) said article.

[NcnsBcfc]

NP wants to work with a smaller group of players, and that is great in practice.

The only downside is if he only has 2/3 players per position, then if we sell one of those players; they will have to be replaced.

This is the situation we find ourselves with in regard to Kalas. If we sell a CB at present, we will first have to replace him like for like; before spending money on a forward. I don't know if Wells is off (I'd be surprised). But I can't see him being an NP player moving forward. His general work rate just isn't there. For his size he is also not particularly quick. He's the type of player that thrives off wingers/wide men that create loads of chances with their crosses or dribbles. We just aren't that team at the moment. At QPR he had Eze, Osayi-Samuel etc. His signing has to go down as one of the strangest in recent times. 

Looking at our full back position. Where in all honesty we need strengthening on both sides; but financially we're just not in a place where we can do that. I think we're going to struggle if JD or Vyner get injured. Got to be looking for some cover there maybe before the end of the month (another loan?)

The sole position in the team where we can afford to lose players at present (other than sending out some of the youth on loan) is at CM. Even without Nagy's request, he was on a sticky wicket. High wages, entering his last year of contract. By no means in the starting 11; and unlikely to get a similar contract from the club again. I think he's made the decision easy for the club. I think i'm right in saying that if he asks to be released as well, we don't have to pay up his contract? (one for @Davefevs and @Mr Popodopolousthere.

I can only think that we will take offers for a number of players at present; and then look to replace them with loans. In that way, the general reset in regards to the squad won't be affected beyond the end of this season.

What's amazing now is that the coffers are bare, we have very little room on our FFP; and are struggling to spend £1m on a player by the look of it. But look at the squad and the money spent on it:-

Wells - £3.5m

Kalas - £8m

JD - £2m

Palmer - £3.5m

Weimann - £2.2m

Nagy - £2.25m

COD - £1m

Baker - £3.5m

Williams - £1.25m

Moore - £1.5m

Bentley - £2m

Massengo - £2m (possibly more?)

Bakinson - £500k

A long hard struggle ahead this season I fear.

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said:

NP wants to work with a smaller group of players, and that is great in practice.

The only downside is if he only has 2/3 players per position, then if we sell one of those players; they will have to be replaced.

This is the situation we find ourselves with in regard to Kalas. If we sell a CB at present, we will first have to replace him like for like; before spending money on a forward. I don't know if Wells is off (I'd be surprised). But I can't see him being an NP player moving forward. His general work rate just isn't there. For his size he is also not particularly quick. He's the type of player that thrives off wingers/wide men that create loads of chances with their crosses or dribbles. We just aren't that team at the moment. At QPR he had Eze, Osayi-Samuel etc. His signing has to go down as one of the strangest in recent times. 

Looking at our full back position. Where in all honesty we need strengthening on both sides; but financially we're just not in a place where we can do that. I think we're going to struggle if JD or Vyner get injured. Got to be looking for some cover there maybe before the end of the month (another loan?)

The sole position in the team where we can afford to lose players at present (other than sending out some of the youth on loan) is at CM. Even without Nagy's request, he was on a sticky wicket. High wages, entering his last year of contract. By no means in the starting 11; and unlikely to get a similar contract from the club again. I think he's made the decision easy for the club. I think i'm right in saying that if he asks to be released as well, we don't have to pay up his contract? (one for @Davefevs and @Mr Popodopolousthere.

I can only think that we will take offers for a number of players at present; and then look to replace them with loans. In that way, the general reset in regards to the squad won't be affected beyond the end of this season.

What's amazing now is that the coffers are bare, we have very little room on our FFP; and are struggling to spend £1m on a player by the look of it. But look at the squad and the money spent on it:-

Wells - £3.5m

Kalas - £8m

JD - £2m

Palmer - £3.5m

Weimann - £2.2m

Nagy - £2.25m

COD - £1m

Baker - £3.5m

Williams - £1.25m

Moore - £1.5m

Bentley - £2m

Massengo - £2m (possibly more?)

Bakinson - £500k

A long hard struggle ahead this season I fear.

Not so pessimistic as you about the squad if we have a reasonable fitness rate for a change. Not saying we will hit the top 6 but long hard season subject to injuries sounds a bit overblown.

Nagy have we seen the best of- or if he leaves, did we? A fit Williams will be like a new signing, Massengo and Bakinson still have much time to develop. 

I still think we're a tad short, 2-3 players but a number of players age range wise who can still develop moving forward.

Was it wide service as such or more like through balls he (Wells) thrived on? Eze, Osayi-Samuel to name 2 are more creative than wingers, wonder how a hypothetical Weimann wider right, Paterson wide left and Wells central might have done.

Semenyo first reserve right, O'Dowda left albeit differing styles too.

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure I read some time ago, pre COVID, that AN and his partner had found/were looking for an apartment down by the harbour.

Don’t hold me to it, I have slept several times since I read (or imagined) said article.

I recall Nagy say something along the lines of that he maybe didn’t put all his effort into settling here, should’ve moved his girlfriend over at the start, etc, etc.  Maybe that harbour apartment was the new plan, until she become pregnant.  Maybe the change in manager changed things.

We just need to find a buyer.

@NcnsBcfcre contractual bonuses, typically end of year bonuses, they continue to be paid unless he puts in a written transfer request….whether he’s done that or just verbally I’ve no idea.

[BTRFTG]

18 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

From an FFP perspective, that's before Covid losses adjusted out I take it? Added to 2019/20 and halved, also bear in mind it's £5m per year in the usual Allowances quite probably (Academy, Depreciation etc).

What then follows is how much SL can/will fund. Of course the wage bill needs to fall, the Amortisation as well probably by next Summer and stay at reasonable levels for a little while.

My estimates for losses were maybe £30-35m inclusive of FFP costs but before Covid allowances. ie £30-35m then impact of Covid.

Not particularly interested in the farce that is FFP.

I reckon from previous accounts and trading issues the club will lose circa £40-£45m last year. Our outgoings won't have reduced much and income is signally down.

[Port Said Red]

Pisa have reached the two legged play off finals to get out of Serie B, they got through the semi final even though the tie finished 1-1 based on their higher league position which seems a bit odd. 
Adam has played 29 of their 38 games and played in both of the recent games. The first leg is on the 26th May away to Monza, the 2nd leg is on the 29th.

Edited May 23, 2022 by Port Said Red

[DT The Optimist]

I thought Eros Pisano also went to Pisa. I checked and wiki says he moved on and now plays for some Seris C team  (who I will not attempt to spell) with a  stadium capacity 2.8k or similar… so I guess pretty small team.  

Good luck to Adam. I also like following ex players and see how it all pans out..

[Major Isewater]

27 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

first leg is on the 26th May away to Monza, the 2nd leg is on the 29th.

I’m leaning towards a Pisa win. 

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

Watched Milan Djuric on BT last night playing for Salernitana in Seria A. They lost 4-0 but stayed up. He seems to be over his injury issues now and is involved most weeks.

[DT The Optimist]

5 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Watched Milan Djuric on BT last night playing for Salernitana in Seria A. They lost 4-0 but stayed up. He seems to be over his injury issues now and is involved most weeks.

It’s like ‘what if….’

Djuric was never really fit for us… could have been a great signing. 
Pisano was a decent right back, until that injury. Never same again.

Nagy started well..another nasty injury…and so on.

 

[Sheltons Army]

12 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Watched Milan Djuric on BT last night playing for Salernitana in Seria A. They lost 4-0 but stayed up. He seems to be over his injury issues now and is involved most weeks.

And Benkovich came on for Udinese  

[archie andrews]

1 hour ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Watched Milan Djuric on BT last night playing for Salernitana in Seria A. They lost 4-0 but stayed up. He seems to be over his injury issues now and is involved most weeks.

salernitana were dead and buried with about 6 or 7 games to go.....got lucky with cagliari not winning v already bottom venezia with nikki maainpaa in goal

[Mr X]

Who knew so many ex City players now play in Serie A!

Couldn't beat watching Football Italia on channel 4 back in the 90s

Edited May 23, 2022 by Mr X

[GrahamC]

2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Pisa have reached the two legged play off finals to get out of Serie B, they got through the semi final even though the tie finished 1-1 based on their higher league position which seems a bit odd. 
Adam has played 29 of their 38 games and played in both of the recent games. The first leg is on the 26th May away to Monza, the 2nd leg is on the 29th.

New owner of Monza? Silvio Berlusconi!

The Monza President is Berlusconi’s brother Paolo, who has served 2 different jail terms for fraud. 

Silvio has of course had his own brushes with the law & been convicted of tax evasion & fraud…

Wonder who is going to win?

 

[Fuber]

14 hours ago, DT The Optimist said:

It’s like ‘what if….’

Djuric was never really fit for us… could have been a great signing. 
Pisano was a decent right back, until that injury. Never same again.

Nagy started well..another nasty injury…and so on.

 

Good old Rolls-y!

Guess which club had an injury hit March?

The prize is an empty pack of chewing gum and an odd sock that my dog chewed.

Edited May 24, 2022 by Fuber

[CyderInACan]

12 hours ago, GrahamC said:

New owner of Monza? Silvio Berlusconi!

End of season party should be ok mind . . . 

[MC RISK77]

13 hours ago, Mr X said:

Who knew so many ex City players now play in Serie A!

Couldn't beat watching Football Italia on channel 4 back in the 90s

Loved it- great players, great teams, the music to the show, the Saturday morning highlights round up.

 

[David Brent]

14 hours ago, GrahamC said:

New owner of Monza? Silvio Berlusconi!

The Monza President is Berlusconi’s brother Paolo, who has served 2 different jail terms for fraud. 

Silvio has of course had his own brushes with the law & been convicted of tax evasion & fraud…

Wonder who is going to win?

 

Monza lost at the semi final stage last season, under the ownership of Silvio 

My money is on Pisa 

[southside]

4 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Monza lost at the semi final stage last season, under the ownership of Silvio 

My money is on Pisa 

You're leaning towards Pisa?

[GrahamC]

43 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Monza lost at the semi final stage last season, under the ownership of Silvio 

My money is on Pisa 

Hope so.

One of my favourite jokes was the one about the Italian sports programme apologising for reading out next week’s football results, not this week’s.

[Mr Popodopolous]

On 23/05/2022 at 18:49, DT The Optimist said:

It’s like ‘what if….’

Djuric was never really fit for us… could have been a great signing. 
Pisano was a decent right back, until that injury. Never same again.

Nagy started well..another nasty injury…and so on.

 

I think these were not bad signings or had their uses anyway, injury in the case of Djuric especially was a major blow but all players with their uses who but for injury might have delivered some more.

[MattWSM]

On 23/05/2022 at 20:23, Mr X said:

Who knew so many ex City players now play in Serie A!

Couldn't beat watching Football Italia on channel 4 back in the 90s

oooooooooohhhhlaziooooooo

[Port Said Red]

Monza win the first leg 2-1. If the away goal rule is in play then Pisa's 93 minute goal might be very useful. Nagy played the whole game.

[archie andrews]

2 hours ago, MattWSM said:

oooooooooohhhhlaziooooooo

Golazo....... And its a spanish word.... 

[Roger Red Hat]

On 23/05/2022 at 18:53, Sheltons Army said:

And Benkovich came on for Udinese  

Still only being used from the bench then?

[chinapig]

22 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

Golazo....... And its a spanish word.... 

It's Golazzo, an Italian word.

James Richardson does an occasional history of Italian football podcast of that name with Gab Marcotti and James Horncastle.

[GrahamC]

Monza won 4-3 on the night, 6-4 on aggregate.

Another season in Serie B for Adam.

[Davefevs]

15 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Monza won 4-3 on the night, 6-4 on aggregate.

Another season in Serie B for Adam.

Pisa went 3-2 up in injury time to force extra time. 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

25 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Monza won 4-3 on the night, 6-4 on aggregate.

Another season in Serie B for Adam.

I wonder if he played any better. He only got a rating of 5.5 for the 1st leg. 

[Olé]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Monza won 4-3 on the night, 6-4 on aggregate.

Another season in Serie B for Adam.

Make that another ex City player in Serie A - for Monza! Although he wasn't reunited with Nagy in either of the play off final legs having been injured in the semi.

[Davefevs]

39 minutes ago, Olé said:

Make that another ex City player in Serie A - for Monza! Although he wasn't reunited with Nagy in either of the play off final legs having been injured in the semi.

Obligation to buy, with conditions….guessing that condition is promotion?

[Red7]

On 28/05/2022 at 17:05, Roger Red Hat said:

Still only being used from the bench then?

Benchovic