Is it time to admit.....

[Kodjias Wrist]

13 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

If we had hired somone else that people wernt that keen on. Would they be happy with 4 wins in 7 months. 

Pearson is a managerial dinosaur and the proof is in the performances on the pitch. 

Defended by the people on here that would have been happy with the many other managerial dinosaurs that float around these league doing **** all year after year 

So we would have gone down last season if it went on for a few more games. NP managed to steady the ship whether you like it or not. He is also in charge now whether you like it or not. Performances on the pitch this season have been far better than last season or have you forgot already? Championship is and has been for a while a game of small margins and a bit of luck unless you pay your way out with parachute payments or moneyballing or whatever. We need to realise that we might not be a playoff contender for a couple more seasons.

We aren't a club that will throw money at it and I dont think we will see another Manager/Coach get the same budget LJ did. We don't have a given right to be fighting at the top end, we did that for a 2 / 3 seasons and we couldn't sustain it. Now we have to start again and the positives are; we have a young decent crop of players coming through, we got rid of a lot of dead weight and reduced the wage bill a fair amount. We are seven games in and only two defeats and in those two defeats we were by no means poor.

Let's not overreact to every single defeat or draw we get to teams we deem worse than us.

[Rossi the Robin]

We are literally 2 injury time goals from being top 6

OP needs to get a grip 

Edited September 16, 2021 by Rossi the Robin
Math issues

[BasSavage88]

2 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

We are literally 2 injury time goals from being top 6

OP needs to get a grip 

And if we had won every game we would be top. What's your point? 

[Rossi the Robin]

3 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

And if we had won every game we would be top. What's your point? 

The one I just made

[TonyTonyTony]

45 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

If we had hired somone else that people wernt that keen on. Would they be happy with 4 wins in 7 months. 

Pearson is a managerial dinosaur and the proof is in the performances on the pitch. 

Defended by the people on here that would have been happy with the many other managerial dinosaurs that float around these league doing **** all year after year 

"Pearson is a managerial dinosaur" - what a load of gibberish. He is 58 ffs, and managed in the PL and championship. What exactly is dinosaur about him?

You are having a 'mare here Bas im afraid

[BasSavage88]

26 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

"Pearson is a managerial dinosaur" - what a load of gibberish. He is 58 ffs, and managed in the PL and championship. What exactly is dinosaur about him?

You are having a 'mare here Bas im afraid

Am I? The facts are we currently have a manager who has won 4 games since February and who's only defense from everyone seems to be is it isn't as shit as it was. 

We don't score, we sit back and we play a big man up top 

[Northern Red]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

Am I? The facts are we currently have a manager who has won 4 games since February and who's only defense from everyone seems to be is it isn't as shit as it was. 

We don't score, we sit back and we play a big man up top 

Who's your choice to replace him then, champ?

[Phileas Fogg]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

Am I? The facts are we currently have a manager who has won 4 games since February and who's only defense from everyone seems to be is it isn't as shit as it was. 

We don't score, we sit back and we play a big man up top 

Who would you choose then? 

Which manager would you pick to come in and do a better job under the constraints Pearson is working with?

[TonyTonyTony]

3 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Am I? The facts are we currently have a manager who has won 4 games since February and who's only defense from everyone seems to be is it isn't as shit as it was. 

We don't score, we sit back and we play a big man up top 

Yes you are. You offer nothing constructive, nor do you seem to understand the constraints he has to work with. Its far too early to make knee jerk reactions. Who is going to do a better job and is currently available?

[Tin Soldier]

2 hours ago, lenred said:

But we’re not at the moment so why are you catastrophising about it now? 

Read the post - duh!

[downendcity]

46 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

"Pearson is a managerial dinosaur" - what a load of gibberish. He is 58 ffs, and managed in the PL and championship. What exactly is dinosaur about him?

You are having a 'mare here Bas im afraid

As did his playing namesake, he's literally falling over himself to look foolish. 

[lenred]

7 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said:

Read the post - duh!

 Apology already offered and accepted. Duh! 

Edited September 16, 2021 by lenred

[ashton_fan]

4 hours ago, Wiltshire robin said:

Not at all , throughout our history we have always fell between the champ and league one so us being in the championship is just standard

We've had a lot more in Div 3 than in Div 2, eg between 1932 and 1965 we were in div 3 in all but 2 seasons, and in the time between Alan Dicks leaving (1980) and Gary Johnson's promotion team (2007) we only had 5 seasons in the 2nd tier, the rest were in the lower divisions. Why do people on here have it in for the Lansdowns after all they've done for the club, they're by far the best owners in the 50+ years I've been watching the team?

[SouthS22]

14 hours ago, BasSavage88 said:

Pearson just isn't the man for this. It's easy to blame Ashton etc but this team, the way we play and the mentality is ******* dire and doesn't seem to be improving.

I wouldn't be too upset to see him gone anytime soon 

Thanks Bas for this post and for raising your head above the parapet.  

I'm not sure whether you're right or not, but I think its important to continue having this debate on an ongoing basis, rather than just accept the view that the sun shines out of Pearson's backside.  Any questionning of that view on here tends to get derided, scourned and shouted down.  There are good reasoned arguments given by some about why they don't agree with your perspective, but  there is also a lot of regular excuses chucked out and not a little bit of lemming like behaviour that's based on a decision having been made some time ago that he's the right man and that therefore everyone must follow over the cliff edge no matter what.   

Personally, I just don't know whether or not Pearon's making enough progress to warrant patience and more time.  And its not just a little bit of patience that is required right now.  

I do see some positive signs - we are fitter, tougher, more resilient (at set pieces at least), changes are made quickly when things are not going well, and there's seems to be a better attitude and more application from the team.  He's trimmed the squad and we've bought in two or perhaps three players who look decent/have potential.  It's also the case that this is a tough job for many reasons and that there is little merit in changing managers every 6 months rather than giving them a proper chance to make an impact.      

At the same time, however, the manager role is the most critical at the club and its been a painful experience being a City supporter since Pearson's been in that role.  The football is pretty turgid, team selections are based on who the favourite is at any given time and what's happened  in the last game rather than any kind of tactical analysis or game plan, I can't see evidence of a Plan B in terms of game approach, and we lack the confidence or belief in ourselves to keep playing and asserting ourselves through 90 minutes.  These are some big failings where I would have expected more progress from a good manager, or at least from a manager who is a good fit at our club. 

Key to success for me is continally looking for improvements, and this is an area where big improvement is needed.  Whether that's a matter of time and we need to hold on for a big longer, I remain undecided, but that fence is looking more unstable by the game.        

[RobintheRed Red]

16 hours ago, Dredd said:

I’m so so tired of rebuilding. We’ve been doing it since the season Flint Bryan and Reid were sold. It’ll mean HNM will have to be off to fund it, maybe a couple of the youngsters, maybe Semenyo, when these are the players we should be building around. I just don’t see where the funds come from for a rebuild, unless it’s going to be freebies and promotion within. 

This has been the case for the close on 60 years ive been watching  unfortunately get it right at the back one year nothing upfront .tmThen good upfront  Tammy etc and crap at the back but thats Bristol city .

Just now, RobintheRed Red said:

This has been the case for the close on 60 years ive been watching  unfortunately get it right at the back one year nothing upfront .Then good upfront  Tammy etc and crap at the back but thats Bristol city .

 

[Numero Uno]

4 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Who would you choose then? 

Which manager would you pick to come in and do a better job under the constraints Pearson is working with?

Isn’t strange that as soon as that question is asked, Lily ***** off…….

Edited September 16, 2021 by Numero Uno

[BasSavage88]

9 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Isn’t strange that as soon as that question is asked, Lily ***** off…….

So you can only critisise people of doing a poor job if you can find a replacement? 

He can't be shit at his job becuase I don't know who his replacement would be? 

[Numero Uno]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

So you can only critisise people of doing a poor job if you can find a replacement? 

He can't be shit at his job becuase I don't know who his replacement would be? 

It’s not that tbh. It’s the fact that with the amount of repetitive bellyaching you have managed since last night you should have some sort of clue by now who you want in.

However, no point arguing but here’s one for you to swallow……however much you bellyache Stevie Boy ain’t shelling out the dosh to sack Nige and get a replacement in. Get used to it.

[BasSavage88]

Just now, Numero Uno said:

It’s not that tbh. It’s the fact that with the amount of repetitive bellyaching you have managed since last night you should have some sort of clue by now who you want in.

However, no point arguing but here’s one for you to swallow……however much you bellyache Stevie Boy ain’t shelling out the dosh to sack Nige and get a replacement in. Get used to it.

Why do I have to know who his replacement would be? 

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, BasSavage88 said:

Why do I have to know who his replacement would be? 

I’ll tell you now who the replacement is if you like……nobody cos Steve ain’t paying out of own pocket for Nige to be replaced.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Numero Uno

[BasSavage88]

4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I’ll tell you now who the replacement is if you like……nobody cos Steve ain’t paying out of own pocket for Nige to be replaced.

That wasn't your point though. 

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

That wasn't your point though. 

No but it is fact regardless of what my point was. He ain’t paying and whilst you are entitled to your opinion obviously it won’t change anything. Nige is staying so by my reckoning may as well get behind him and see what happens.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Numero Uno

[BasSavage88]

4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

No but it is fact regardless of what my point was. He ain’t paying and whilst you are entitled to your opinion obviously it won’t change anything. Nige is staying so by my reckoning may as well get behind him and see what happens.

[Numero Uno]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

Wonderful, ******* genius you are.

[BS4 on Tour...]

7 hours ago, BasSavage88 said:

Pearson is a managerial dinosaur and the proof is in the performances on the pitch...

Why is Pearson a ‘managerial dinosaur’? What do you mean by that? Presumably you think we should go for a younger guy, erroneously seen as being more modern and progressive? Someone like the current Mackems boss? 

[Davefevs]

11 hours ago, The Journalist said:

To give an example now - I don’t think for a second playing four centre-backs  at home to Luton would be Nigel’s preference. No way. And I suspect he’s knowingly not picked his “best” team there. But that back four has also just kept a clean sheet off the back of a good display at Cardiff - what message does that send to an entire group if you’re going to just tear it up?

Because this isn’t about beating Luton at home - this is about putting us in a position to get promoted in 1/2/3 years.

I was having that exact discussion on twitter after Saturday when many were bemoaning Baker’s selection, with pre-match or in hindsight.

Nige is setting the culture for success, showing them what it takes.  As you say it’s not about Luton it’s about the next 2-3 years.

[Robbored]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Nige is setting the culture for success, showing them what it takes.  As you say it’s not about Luton it’s about the next 2-3 years.

Such a relief to see a sensible post amongst all the negativity and angst on here lately.

[Northern Red]

3 hours ago, SouthS22 said:

Thanks Bas for this post and for raising your head above the parapet.  

I'm not sure whether you're right or not, but I think its important to continue having this debate on an ongoing basis, rather than just accept the view that the sun shines out of Pearson's backside.  Any questionning of that view on here tends to get derided, scourned and shouted down.  There are good reasoned arguments given by some about why they don't agree with your perspective, but  there is also a lot of regular excuses chucked out and not a little bit of lemming like behaviour that's based on a decision having been made some time ago that he's the right man and that therefore everyone must follow over the cliff edge no matter what.   

Personally, I just don't know whether or not Pearon's making enough progress to warrant patience and more time.  And its not just a little bit of patience that is required right now.  

I do see some positive signs - we are fitter, tougher, more resilient (at set pieces at least), changes are made quickly when things are not going well, and there's seems to be a better attitude and more application from the team.  He's trimmed the squad and we've bought in two or perhaps three players who look decent/have potential.  It's also the case that this is a tough job for many reasons and that there is little merit in changing managers every 6 months rather than giving them a proper chance to make an impact.      

At the same time, however, the manager role is the most critical at the club and its been a painful experience being a City supporter since Pearson's been in that role.  The football is pretty turgid, team selections are based on who the favourite is at any given time and what's happened  in the last game rather than any kind of tactical analysis or game plan, I can't see evidence of a Plan B in terms of game approach, and we lack the confidence or belief in ourselves to keep playing and asserting ourselves through 90 minutes.  These are some big failings where I would have expected more progress from a good manager, or at least from a manager who is a good fit at our club. 

Key to success for me is continally looking for improvements, and this is an area where big improvement is needed.  Whether that's a matter of time and we need to hold on for a big longer, I remain undecided, but that fence is looking more unstable by the game.        

We're 12th. If you don't think that warrants patience then I'm not sure what you were expecting?

[RedHienz]

7 hours ago, BasSavage88 said:

If we had hired somone else that people wernt that keen on. Would they be happy with 4 wins in 7 months. 

Pearson is a managerial dinosaur and the proof is in the performances on the pitch. 

Defended by the people on here that would have been happy with the many other managerial dinosaurs that float around these league doing **** all year after year 

Aww edgy! Throw some names into the mix and share your wisdom, easy to bait on a forum and not offer anything.

[robin_unreliant]

1 hour ago, BasSavage88 said:

Why do I have to know who his replacement would be? 

What a bellend. Go play with your mate Kyle would you.

[RedHienz]

1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

We're 12th. If you don't think that warrants patience then I'm not sure what you were expecting?

I was promised European football.

[robin_unreliant]

5 hours ago, lukebcfc1989 said:

He is still having a look in my opinion giving what we have a chance.  

This is a great point. I do think he feels we might have some good youngsters who may be worth giving a proper try this season.

If he doesn't feel they are delivering and needs to make signings, at least he will know he gave them every chance.

[BasSavage88]

22 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

What a bellend. Go play with your mate Kyle would you.

Name calling 

Instead of being another dull poster contributing nothing, Answer my question.

[redrob]

23 hours ago, BasSavage88 said:

Pearson just isn't the man for this. It's easy to blame Ashton etc but this team, the way we play and the mentality is ******* dire and doesn't seem to be improving.

I wouldn't be too upset to see him gone anytime soon 

What utter drivel. 

If you cant see the improvement onnlast year (or the continued shackles that prevent Pearson from progressing the situation as fast as theoretically could) then probably best you keep shtum for a while. 

 

Honestly! 

23 hours ago, Mihai said:

Maybe is time for SL to sell the team. I don't know..the things are getting worse season by season. If we start like that, and we continue to get worse as the season goes, we can be in a very dangerous position till Christmas.

 

What? You seriously belive this is worst than last season? 

 

Seriously? 

[redrob]

23 hours ago, Wiltshire robin said:

Exactly, people pull the wool over their eyes just because we have a couple of shiny stands 

Have we actually improved on the field since the lansdowns took over? . Grateful for the money they have put in but the amount of teams that have overtaken us with less resources and potential is incredible in the time they have ran the club.

Well when SL took over we were in League One weren't we?? If so then have we impeoved on the field.... Surely yes given we are now in the Championship. 

[Sleepy1968]

48 minutes ago, RedHienz said:

I was promised European football.

And you got it. Brexit or not, Bristol in still in Europe. Forza Bristol City.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

Such a relief to see a sensible post amongst all the negativity and angst on here lately.

Credit to @The Journalist too, his initial post, my twitter ramblings.

[BasSavage88]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Nige is setting the culture for success, showing them what it takes.

Surely this is utter crap.

How is he doing this? 4 wins in 7 months or not winning a home game yet? 

Nothing that he is doing is creating a successful culture 

 

[Robbored]

4 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Surely this is utter crap.

How is he doing this? 4 wins in 7 months or not winning a home game yet? 

Nothing that he is doing is creating a successful culture 

 

Judging by your contributions to this forum I’m thinking that you just don’t see the wider picture Bas.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Robbored

[BasSavage88]

5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Judging by your contributions to this forum I’m thinking that you just don’t see the wider picture Bas.

Does anyone on this forum just give an answer and not some smartass comment that means nothing. Answer my question if I am wrong.

How is Nigel Pearson creating a culture for success based on what he has currently done? 

[Mihai]

46 minutes ago, redrob said:

What utter drivel. 

If you cant see the improvement onnlast year (or the continued shackles that prevent Pearson from progressing the situation as fast as theoretically could) then probably best you keep shtum for a while. 

 

Honestly! 

What? You seriously belive this is worst than last season? 

 

Seriously? 

Is not worse yet but I don't like the football on the pitch. We had some good halfs but overall 80% of the time was shit football.

We have a history for having one of the worst ends of every season so if we start bottom half we will struggle based on our last 10 years of history. I mean, with 4, defeats in a row we can be into the relegation zone easily and we had every time 4 defeats in a row more than one time per season.

 

[Wiltshire robin]

44 minutes ago, redrob said:

Well when SL took over we were in League One weren't we?? If so then have we impeoved on the field.... Surely yes given we are now in the Championship. 

Like I replied to someone else City have always floated between league one and the champ so nothings changed 

[Redrascal2]

19 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Does anyone on this forum just give an answer and not some smartass comment that means nothing. Answer my question if I am wrong.

How is Nigel Pearson creating a culture for success based on what he has currently done? 

And how long do you think it takes to do this. To turn the shambles of a club he took over in to a team pushing at the top end of the table. With no significant investment in players. I think it will take 3 years. I presume  you think it is achievable in 6 months. This is totally  unrealistic and shows a lack of understanding of how difficult a task this is.

[Robbored]

8 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

How is Nigel Pearson creating a culture for success based on what he has currently done? 

Nige hasn’t  been at City long only signing a three year deal in the summer. He inherited a club that had become a shambles after 5 years of managerial neglect and has had to start again.

The first thing he had to do was get the players Championship fit, then get his methods across and all that takes time. 

If you pay attention to his interviews you’ll realise that Nige is a proper manager who has built a squad previously capable escaping the Championship. He knows what he’s doing.

He’s brought in some the guys he’d worked with before on and off the pitch which are all ingredients that go towards creating the right culture needed to reach the PL.

Tasks such as the one Nige has taken on at City all take time to achieve and already we’ve seen some decent performances, mostly away from AG and City have been unfortunate to drop points at AG against Blackpool and Luton conceding in injury time in both games.

Remember that we are only 7 games in to a 46 game season and also remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day.

 

 

[The Swan and Cemetery]

Pearson out. Lyle Taylor for player manager. 

[Davefevs]

47 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Surely this is utter crap.

How is he doing this? 4 wins in 7 months or not winning a home game yet? 

Nothing that he is doing is creating a successful culture 

 

If you want to judge Nige’s success purely on results, that’s fine, but you will find posters like me looking beyond that and giving an alternate view. 

The clue is in the words “creating” and “culture”….the theory is that will lead to “results”.  That’s not a smart arse response.  You can build a house quickly and it look amazing, but unless you spent the time laying the foundations, which look effin ugly, your house might collapse.

It’s a crap analogy, yep.

Do you listen to Nige’s interviews (club and press).  He’s explaining that he’s happy to compromise and play the long-game.  That’s why he’s not bought a striker, he can’t afford the one / type he wants, so he’ll wait.  He’d rather try to improve what he’s got than waste money short term.  He’s trying to communicate to fans that it’s a work in progress.

You could look back at last season and say Holden built that lovely house in 5 games, and then suffered subsidence!

What was your thinking last year.

We’re you “all-in” on results then?  If not, why not?

What were you like by November?

But it’s about opinions.  I like having that debate on OTIB.

 

Edited September 16, 2021 by Davefevs

[BasSavage88]

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

If you want to judge Nige’s success purely on results, that’s fine, but you will find posters like me looking beyond that and giving an alternate view. 

The clue is in the words “creating” and “culture”….the theory is that will lead to “results”.  That’s not a smart arse response.  You can build a house quickly and it look amazing, but unless you spent the time laying the foundations, which look effin ugly, your house might collapse.

It’s a crap analogy, yep.

Do you listen to Nige’s interviews (club and press).  He’s explaining that he’s happy to compromise and play the long-game.  That’s why he’s not bought a striker, he can’t afford the one / type he wants, so he’ll wait.  He’d rather try to improve what he’s got than waste money short term.  He’s trying to communicate to fans that it’s a work in progress.

You could look back at last season and say Holden built that lovely house in 5 games, and then suffered subsidence!

What was your thinking last year.

We’re you “all-in” on results then?  If not, why not?

What were you like by November?

But it’s about opinions.  I like having that debate on OTIB.

 

I just don't see the reasoning for the optimism. 

Pearson isn't some Messiah that's sorted clubs out from top to bottom over and over again. He did it once(with alot of money), never before Leicester and hasn't repeated it since.

 

[Davefevs]

49 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

I just don't see the reasoning for the optimism. 

Pearson isn't some Messiah that's sorted clubs out from top to bottom over and over again. He did it once(with alot of money), never before Leicester and hasn't repeated it since.

 

I don’t think anyone is calling him a messiah, but we see a man with a good vision and is starting to execute that plan.  That vision extends wider than what goes on for 90 minutes once or twice a week.

What other managerial roles has he had where he’s chance to do another Leicester?  And at least he’s done it at one club (success both times).  Many, many managers never taste success once.

Anyway, I’m happy with progress….I’ve written a “couple” of posts why.  I’m happy with my reasons.  I’m sure you’re happy with yours.

[Norn Iron]

39 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t think anyone is calling him a messiah, 

as he was a very naughty boy.....

[redrob]

On 16/09/2021 at 21:52, BasSavage88 said:

Does anyone on this forum just give an answer and not some smartass comment that means nothing. Answer my question if I am wrong.

How is Nigel Pearson creating a culture for success based on what he has currently done? 

Creating a positve culture takes time as its about changing behavious. 

 

Unfortunately, creating a negative culture takes less time. 

 

Have you ever been responsible for creating a team culture? Pearson sa Cassidy is psychology knows all this and that you can't change a football clubs culture quickly, you have to be invested for the long hard yards. 

 

The trouble with all this is that if Atkinson had booted the ball into row Z of the top tier of the Lansdown stand, this nonsense thread probably wouldn't have even been posted. 

[Port Said Red]

2 minutes ago, redrob said:

Creating a positve culture takes time as its about changing behavious. 

 

Unfortunately, creating a negative culture takes less time. 

 

Have you ever been responsible for creating a team culture? Pearson sa Cassidy is psychology knows all this and that you can't change a football clubs culture quickly, you have to be invested for the long hard yards. 

 

The trouble with all this is that if Atkinson had booted the ball into row Z of the top tier of the Lansdown stand, this nonsense thread probably wouldn't have even been posted. 

Something from him to learn from, I would imagine that in the back of his mind he was thinking about game management and not giving away set piece situations. Bents also seemed a bit slow in realising what he was trying to do, so communication could have probably been better.

We were all disappointed, but people calling for Manager to go and the Chairman to be paraded in sack cloth and ashes because we drew 1 1 at home is incredibly knee jerk even by OTIB standards. I think a lot of it came from them being embarrassed by Lockyer being able to give them something back after they "went too early" with the baiting.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

On 16/09/2021 at 22:27, Davefevs said:

If you want to judge Nige’s success purely on results, that’s fine, but you will find posters like me looking beyond that and giving an alternate view. 

The clue is in the words “creating” and “culture”….the theory is that will lead to “results”.  That’s not a smart arse response.  You can build a house quickly and it look amazing, but unless you spent the time laying the foundations, which look effin ugly, your house might collapse.

It’s a crap analogy, yep.

Do you listen to Nige’s interviews (club and press).  He’s explaining that he’s happy to compromise and play the long-game.  That’s why he’s not bought a striker, he can’t afford the one / type he wants, so he’ll wait.  He’d rather try to improve what he’s got than waste money short term.  He’s trying to communicate to fans that it’s a work in progress.

You could look back at last season and say Holden built that lovely house in 5 games, and then suffered subsidence!

What was your thinking last year.

We’re you “all-in” on results then?  If not, why not?

What were you like by November?

But it’s about opinions.  I like having that debate on OTIB.

 

I get what you’re saying, but results do matter.  The culture of the side that got promotion was started by Sean O’Driscoll, but I think everyone accepted he had to go when he was sacked, because the results were simply not good enough.  If we are bottom of the table in January, will people still be talking about ‘progress’, ‘creating’, ‘culture’ and ‘long-game’?  I’ve been willing to give the man a chance but the worst win ratio in Bristol City history plus some confusing team selection and tactics, and strange substitutions, are worrying me.

[Davefevs]

21 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I get what you’re saying, but results do matter.  The culture of the side that got promotion was started by Sean O’Driscoll, but I think everyone accepted he had to go when he was sacked, because the results were simply not good enough.  If we are bottom of the table in January, will people still be talking about ‘progress’, ‘creating’, ‘culture’ and ‘long-game’?  I’ve been willing to give the man a chance but the worst win ratio in Bristol City history plus some confusing team selection and tactics, and strange substitutions, are worrying me.

SOD built foundations admittedly, but we were near the bottom of Lg1, Nige is building foundations and has us 12th (maybe lower after today - pessimism from me) in the Champ….and we look competitive.

I agree that if we were bottom in January you would raise concerns.  But, really what are the chances of that on the evidence of this season?  Even less so with Derby’s plight

You say you are willing to give him a chance, but several of your posts have a theme based on a worst case scenario, e.g. if we were bottom, to create your view.  What is your best case scenario, what is your most likely scenario.

What we’re your expectations before the season started?

[City oz]

17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

SOD built foundations admittedly, but we were near the bottom of Lg1, Nige is building foundations and has us 12th (maybe lower after today - pessimism from me) in the Champ….and we look competitive.

I agree that if we were bottom in January you would raise concerns.  But, really what are the chances of that on the evidence of this season?  Even less so with Derby’s plight

You say you are willing to give him a chance, but several of your posts have a theme based on a worst case scenario, e.g. if we were bottom, to create your view.  What is your best case scenario, what is your most likely scenario.

What we’re your expectations before the season started?

Great post Dave. Gees there are some miserable buggers on here like DP. I look at the positivies this season and we are doing OK. We could be doing better but 12th is not too bad.

It is a tough league and we are showing more potential this season than the last two. 

We can only get better from here. 

[Davefevs]

8 minutes ago, City oz said:

Great post Dave. Gees there are some miserable buggers on here like DP. I look at the positivies this season and we are doing OK. We could be doing better but 12th is not too bad.

It is a tough league and we are showing more potential this season than the last two. 

We can only get better from here. 

Ta. I’d say positionally we are doing better than expectations.

Performance wise we are still mixed…but been some good ones and a couple of poorer ones.

We have been “in” every game, look more physical.

We’ve improved our set plays, well the ones taken with feet!!!  We have scored 4 from set plays…last season we scored 5 all-season.

Its far from perfect, but was it ever gonna be after losing lots of players and being hamstrung financially?

What we are seeing now is probably what Nige would’ve liked to have dine last season….make us harder to beat, start from the back, etc, etc….but the squad wasn’t up for that build….so it commenced in the summer.  I don’t dismiss last season, but it’s not very relevant imho, apart from delaying the “true start”.  Others will disagree.

 

[TomThumb84]

Is it time?!?!? Another win on the road for the Robins!!! Haaa what a ridiculous original post this was.

Have a good night fellow Redssss!!!!!

[One Team]

On 15/09/2021 at 21:45, BasSavage88 said:

Pearson just isn't the man for this. It's easy to blame Ashton etc but this team, the way we play and the mentality is ******* dire and doesn't seem to be improving.

I wouldn't be too upset to see him gone anytime soon 

This aged well! 

[BCFCGav]

NIGEL PEARSON’S CIDER ARMY

[kiwicolin]

On 15/09/2021 at 21:45, BasSavage88 said:

Pearson just isn't the man for this. It's easy to blame Ashton etc but this team, the way we play and the mentality is ******* dire and doesn't seem to be improving.

I wouldn't be too upset to see him gone anytime soon 

Really. 

He is doing well at present.  The team are playing better football, and getting the best out of our players.  

[Northern Red]

Don't bother lads, he won't be on tonight. Seen enough of his type on here to know that's how these people work.

Edited September 18, 2021 by Northern Red

[ThreeWordCityNerd]

No it isn't. 

[BasSavage88]

5 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Don't bother lads, he won't be on tonight. Seen enough of his type on here to know that's how these people work.

[GrahamC]

Some people just can’t face the hard yards, can they?

We were an absolute shambles last season & anyone with half a brain knew it would take a while to sort out.

The types on here who only post when we lose just don’t get it.

We could be like Forest & change managers all the time but after appointing someone who actually has a track record why the **** would we want to do that?

You reds!

Edited September 18, 2021 by GrahamC

[BasSavage88]

Just now, GrahamC said:

Some people just can’t face the hard yards, can they?

We we’re a absolute shambles last season & anyone with half a brain knew it would take a while to sort out.

The types on here who only post when we lose just don’t get it.

We could be like Forest & change managers all the time but after appointing someone who actually has a track record why the **** would we want to do that?

You reds!

Does he?

[TomThumb84]

3 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Does he?

Wahhhhayyyyy here he is!!

Massive win masterminded by NP, get yourself a cider!

[Fuber]

5 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Does he?

More than any other manager we've previously appointed.

Even Coppell.

[bexhill reds]

Distinct lack of usual forum melts on here tonight other than the OP who would still have a problem with Pearson even if he literally turned out to be the 2nd coming.

Perhaps don’t look at the things directly in front of you, and look at what’s around you, NP had clearly galvanised this lot into wanting to play for him, we’ve not seen that in a city team since the Man City cup run. Wiemann has clearly pulled something with about 10 to go, but still digs in to sprint 30 yards and get the pass to Wells. They are all playing for one another, and that will make the unit stronger.

Probably wasting my time, the OPs dislike is bordering on the irrational, and you can’t argue against that.

[Murraysrightplum]

Threads like this rarely age well

[Northern Red]

21 minutes ago, Murraysrightplum said:

Threads like this rarely age well

I will boo.

[BS4 on Tour...]

3 hours ago, Fuber said:

More than any other manager we've previously appointed.

Even Coppell.

Ooooh, not sure I agree with that ... after doing well in the championship, finishing 7th, Coppell took Reading into the premier league as champions of the championship, losing only two games in the entire season in the process, that season he also took Reading on a record championship run of 33 games unbeaten ... his Reading team clinched promotion in March - ridiculously early - and he subsequently finished in 8th place in the premier league after taking Reading up ... obviously after his disastrous short tenure at Ashton Gate very few City supporters are fans of Coppell, but his previous achievements cannot be simply ignored ...