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You won’t be surprised to know I have a whole host of stats comparing:

  • City this season
  • versus City last season
  • versus the Championship this season

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fevsfootballanalytics/viz/BristolCityTeamStats2021-22/xGpershot

various tabs.  Here’s an example of one.

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For me, it’s looking beyond the numbers, at things like shape w/o the ball, press, etc, and translating that back.

Others like goals from set-pieces, etc are a definite improvement.  Before the last 3 games, shots conceded was pretty low….but 6 games is a small sample.  9 isn’t a huge sample either.

 

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You won’t be surprised to know I have a whole host of stats comparing:

  • City this season
  • versus City last season
  • versus the Championship this season

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fevsfootballanalytics/viz/BristolCityTeamStats2021-22/xGpershot

various tabs.  Here’s an example of one.

234CF874-D72E-4335-B64A-C8F24F295285.thumb.jpeg.340df81d51eb7998d55db573959ada57.jpeg

For me, it’s looking beyond the numbers, at things like shape w/o the ball, press, etc, and translating that back.

Others like goals from set-pieces, etc are a definite improvement.  Before the last 3 games, shots conceded was pretty low….but 6 games is a small sample.  9 isn’t a huge sample either.

 

Fantastic as always Dave! But for those that like it in Janet and John language, please summarise!

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From my ( frequently drunken ) eye , I would say;

We look much more organised, with more direction and players seem to know their jobs, and we seem to have a game plan.
The midfield look functional, the passer has more options, player look more comfortable.
Players are getting up in support of the strikers and, although we need even more improvement, we do seem to carry a threat.

And the one biggest single thing I've noticed this year?
I've actually started to enjoy watching the football again, something I haven't been able to say for 18 months or so.

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24 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

Fantastic as always Dave! But for those that like it in Janet and John language, please summarise!

Janet & John explain Lee Johnson’s tactics for home games

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In the next instalment Janet & John outline Mark Ashton’s recruitment policy.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

Fantastic as always Dave! But for those that like it in Janet and John language, please summarise!

There are about 90 different data points.

Here’s a group of 11 of them in one picture.

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Starting top left -

Ball recoveries: a slight improvement on last season

Ball recoveries high up the pitch (in opposition third): huge improvement on last season

Ball recoveries medium (middle third): slight improvement on last season

Ball recoveries low (in our own third): a bit down on last season, but we are defending less in the main.

Ball losses: same as last season, and a tad more than Champ average

Ball losses high: if we are losing the ball it’s high up the pitch….good sign

Ball losses medium: ditto

Ball losses low (our own third: well down, which is good, e.g. we aren’t putting ourselves in trouble

Interceptions: down on last season, low against Champ average, some of which is because we are defending less

Fouls: down on last season, lower than Champ average.  Read into that what you want. From the eye I’d say we are more physical, but perhaps execute our tackles better.

Clearances: I’m not particularly interested in this one, but perhaps it shows a little less panic.

So that’s my reading of them, but still subjective to some extent….and it’s far better when you put several together to form a view.

You can apply similar thinking to each tab in the above link.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

One big difference to last season is we don't have many injuries at the moment! 

Also we look a bit stronger defensively. Defending our box better, especially when defending set pieces.

But we've had a lot of luck in the last 4 games imo. We've conceded many good chances and teams have finished poorly against us, and we haven't created that many chances ourselves in those games.

Tactically Pearson does things quite differently to LJ and Holden.

We’ve also had plenty of bad luck. Had the whistle gone 15secs earlier we’d have beaten Blackpool and had Bentley not messed up to allow Luton a late equaliser……………:cool2:

Luck tends to equal out over a season.

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30 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Janet & John explain Lee Johnson’s tactics for home games

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In the next instalment Janet & John outline Mark Ashton’s recruitment policy.

 

 

Interesting choice of example. Do you mean the LJ who presided over a home win against Manchester United? As opposed to a manager who’s presided over no home wins in his time at the club. Just saying like…?

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8 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

Interesting choice of example. Do you mean the LJ who presided over a home win against Manchester United? As opposed to a manager who’s presided over no home wins in his time at the club. Just saying like…?

artistic licence.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

You won’t be surprised to know I have a whole host of stats comparing:

  • City this season
  • versus City last season
  • versus the Championship this season

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fevsfootballanalytics/viz/BristolCityTeamStats2021-22/xGpershot

various tabs.  Here’s an example of one.

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For me, it’s looking beyond the numbers, at things like shape w/o the ball, press, etc, and translating that back.

Others like goals from set-pieces, etc are a definite improvement.  Before the last 3 games, shots conceded was pretty low….but 6 games is a small sample.  9 isn’t a huge sample either.

 

FFS. Can’t you stick to the song lyrics for player chants? It is clearly where your talents lie! 

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36 minutes ago, Robbored said:

We’ve also had plenty of bad luck. Had the whistle gone 15secs earlier we’d have beaten Blackpool and had Bentley not messed up to allow Luton a late equaliser……………:cool2:

Luck tends to equal out over a season.

I’d love to see the science behind the theory that luck tend to equal itself out over a season. 
Blackpool scoring in the last minute of stoppage time wasn’t luck - it was a skilfully constructed goal. And Bentley’s mistake wasn’t luck - it was an error induced by apprehension and pressure.

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14 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Not sure thats true. The number of games recently where the woodwork and poor finishing has saved us is remarkable. QPR, Fulham, Luton spring to mind. Our defending for the most part , Bentley aside, has been very poor.

I agree, plenty of the goals we’ve conceded have looked easy and not very hard worked. Wouldn’t surprise me if we’ve had our post saved us more times than any other team this season so far. 

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28 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I’ve really noticed how much less we pass the ball backwards. Incredible compared to LJ/DH. 

Not that I was a fan of the post Man City LJ "over coaching" that went on but passing the ball sideways and backwards is not necessarily negative.

Dreary I agree but it would be interesting to see the shot on target stats from LJ and Pearson eras.

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30 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I’ve really noticed how much less we pass the ball backwards. Incredible compared to LJ/DH. 

52.8 back passes per match last season.  44 this season.

57 was peak Johnson…..in 17/18….but we also made 100 more passes per match overall than we have this season.

So above numbers a bit impacted by number of passes made.

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2 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Not that I was a fan of the post Man City LJ "over coaching" that went on but passing the ball sideways and backwards is not necessarily negative.

Dreary I agree but it would be interesting to see the shot on target stats from LJ and Pearson eras.

17/18 - 11.37 shots per match at 37.1% on target

This season - 10.11 at 34%

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5 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

As I thought.

I can’t be arsed to manually work it out, but in 17/18 the drop off of shots in the second half of the season was significant.

 

 

Okay, I could be arsed.

12.96 in 2017 (5.08 on target)

9.47 in 2018 (3.19 on target) 9.19 without the 20 shots in the 5-5 v Hull

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I can’t be arsed to manually work it out, but in 17/18 the drop off of shots in the second half of the season was significant.

 

 

Okay, I could be arsed.

12.96 in 2017 (5.08 on target)

9.47 in 2018 (3.19 on target) 9.19 without the 20 shots in the 5-5 v Hull

 

 

Yes fair enough, can only really judge over a full season but i stand by my point about dreary but not necessarily negative in terms of chances and shots created.

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23 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Yes fair enough, can only really judge over a full season but i stand by my point about dreary but not necessarily negative in terms of chances and shots created.

I was agreeing with you.

I quite liked the attritional team of Autumn 17….we suffocated teams with our 460 with 4 CBs, a LB on the LW and a CM playing RW.

I don’t think that it ever got better for LJ than that.  The winning run of 18/19 never felt the same as 17/18 (and I’m not talking about the cups either).

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3 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Not sure thats true. The number of games recently where the woodwork and poor finishing has saved us is remarkable. QPR, Fulham, Luton spring to mind. Our defending for the most part , Bentley aside, has been very poor.

I'm not looking for an argument but I've always believed that you create your own luck & the constant pressure our defence has been putting on the opposition could possible be causing mistakes/poor finishing.

Just my way of looking at it :thumbsup:

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In terms of measureable product we've improved as an attacking force. We're taking more shots, that are more threatening, than we managed over the whole of last season (Holden and Pearson). The numbers don't suggest that we've transformed into a relentless attacking machine - but I can't see anyone saying they think we've done that either. It's an improvement, and that is good.

The defensive side of the game hasn't improved as much. As @Davefevs says, the past 3 games have skewed that a little as in those 3 games we've allowed 66 out of the total 126 shots that we've faced so far. So about 50% of the shots against have come in just 33% of our games. Still, if we keep allowing an average of 14 shots against each game, 5 of which force Bentley into action...well we're going to have to make sure we keep scoring ourselves.

@Davefevs' data also shows that we tend to be on the wrong side of the divisional average for most metrics. We take fewer shots than the average side, allow more than the average side etc.

That's broadly why, despite a decent start to the season, I still think that the preseason predictions of lower midtable are fair and remain reasonable. 

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The last few games especially, we've been able to put some passing moves together and actually look like we could pass round a team into an attacking move. Not all game like Fulham can, but enough to have a threat. Makes our counter attacks twice as dangerous if the passes actually go to our team.

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10 hours ago, firstdivision said:

Interesting choice of example. Do you mean the LJ who presided over a home win against Manchester United? As opposed to a manager who’s presided over no home wins in his time at the club. Just saying like…?

Russell Osman presided over an away win against Liverpool - should we reappoint him....? As much as I liked LJ (but agreed it was past time for him to go), one swallow does not make a summer.

 

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10 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

I’ve really noticed how much less we pass the ball backwards. Incredible compared to LJ/DH. 

But we're giving the ball away more

So you have to weigh up which is better? I don't understand why ball retention is so demonised by some - although I accept there's a fine line between ball retention and the frustration of not taking risks and making key passes (e.g. England in the Euros at times)

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7 hours ago, bpexile said:

I'm not looking for an argument but I've always believed that you create your own luck & the constant pressure our defence has been putting on the opposition could possible be causing mistakes/poor finishing.

Just my way of looking at it :thumbsup:

I've always thought, you only create 1 or 2 chances a game that puts massive pressure on whoever the chance falls to. If you're defending constantly chances are you don't get a clean sheet, and so pressure to score ramps up. 
I think the midfield has been better, helped the defence more efficiently than last year, though we are still allowing the opposition too many chances. What we have improved on is the number of good chances, at least it seems that way to me.

1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

We've scored less goals than any other team in the top 11.

What Tone said was ..

1 hour ago, BigTone said:

Condensed Version

We've scored more than normal

Not scored more than normal teams, subtle but important difference I feel .

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

The only statistics that really show anything that means something to the majority of us fans are the ones that show City 8th in the Championship and 5 games unbeaten.

Sure, come May the division is ranked on points, GD, etc. However, that doesn't stop some of us (I'd not claim to speak for any number of fans, let alone the majority) from trying to look beneath the current league table in an attempt to discern why we are 8th, and whether or not it is at all likely that we can continue or replicate our current unbeaten run. 

There isn't any harm in doing that. Don't worry, we aren't saying nasty things about St. Nigel.

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2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

In terms of measureable product we've improved as an attacking force. We're taking more shots, that are more threatening, than we managed over the whole of last season (Holden and Pearson). The numbers don't suggest that we've transformed into a relentless attacking machine - but I can't see anyone saying they think we've done that either. It's an improvement, and that is good.

The defensive side of the game hasn't improved as much. As @Davefevs says, the past 3 games have skewed that a little as in those 3 games we've allowed 66 out of the total 126 shots that we've faced so far. So about 50% of the shots against have come in just 33% of our games. Still, if we keep allowing an average of 14 shots against each game, 5 of which force Bentley into action...well we're going to have to make sure we keep scoring ourselves.

@Davefevs' data also shows that we tend to be on the wrong side of the divisional average for most metrics. We take fewer shots than the average side, allow more than the average side etc.

That's broadly why, despite a decent start to the season, I still think that the preseason predictions of lower midtable are fair and remain reasonable. 

That’s a pretty good summary, reasons to not get ahead of ourselves just because we are 8th.  The last 3 games have knocked quite a few of the stats back, yet we’ve picked up 5 points from 3 games.  Up until the last 2 we were trending mid-table for lots of them.  Think we will see a lot of games 1-0, 1-1, 0-1.

Two less stellar opponents coming up.

Might get to see those recent shots conceded numbers go back down.  If not, regardless of result, I’d have some concerns.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That’s a pretty good summary, reasons to not get ahead of ourselves just because we are 8th.  The last 3 games have knocked quite a few of the stats back, yet we’ve picked up 5 points from 3 games.  Up until the last 2 we were trending mid-table for lots of them.  Think we will see a lot of games 1-0, 1-1, 0-1.

Two less stellar opponents coming up.

Might get to see those recent shots conceded numbers go back down.  If not, regardless of result, I’d have some concerns.

Yeh, and I think prior to those two games we'd have probably predicted a hefty number of incoming shots from QPR and Fulham. It's not unreasonable at all that we conceded nigh on 40 shots over those two games. 

Tomorrow is game number 10, roughly 1/4 through the season and with a wide range of opponents played. Let's see where we are then.

With a gun to my head I probably go for a draw with Millwall. That gets us 14 after ten. Solid mid table form.

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13 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Sure, come May the division is ranked on points, GD, etc. However, that doesn't stop some of us (I'd not claim to speak for any number of fans, let alone the majority) from trying to look beneath the current league table in an attempt to discern why we are 8th, and whether or not it is at all likely that we can continue or replicate our current unbeaten run. 

There isn't any harm in doing that. Don't worry, we aren't saying nasty things about St. Nigel.

Oh, I get it completely and I enjoy reading the various statistics posted on here. I find them interesting and secretly admire those posters that compile them. My point is however that not every fan is interested in the reason why we’re 8th and 5 games undefeated - just that we are.

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Oh, I get it completely and I enjoy reading the various statistics posted on here. I find them interesting and secretly admire those posters that compile them My point is however that not every fan is interested in the reason why we’re 8th and 5 games undefeated.

Oh be still my beating heart.

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2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Yeh, and I think prior to those two games we'd have probably predicted a hefty number of incoming shots from QPR and Fulham. It's not unreasonable at all that we conceded nigh on 40 shots over those two games. 

Tomorrow is game number 10, roughly 1/4 through the season and with a wide range of opponents played. Let's see where we are then.

With a gun to my head I probably go for a draw with Millwall. That gets us 14 after ten. Solid mid table form.

Yep, you may have noticed I added some additional overlays (box plot / whiskers) to my charts since you looked at them a couple of weeks ago….to show the quartile ranges.

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For the rest of you, the middle line, each coloured blob represents shots conceded in each match.  The colour the opposition kit colour.  Some blobs sit on top of each other.  The two on the right are Luton (orange) and Fulham (grey - they don’t do white).  QPR (light blue) is hidden by Fulham.  But you can see how those 3 games are out of kilter with a much more solid defensive effort in the other 6 games.  But of course I can’t pick and choose the games to prove things….but those 6 games were good signs.  Hoping we get back to those numbers.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, you may have noticed I added some additional overlays (box plot / whiskers) to my charts since you looked at them a couple of weeks ago….to show the quartile ranges.

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For the rest of you, the middle line, each coloured blob represents shots conceded in each match.  The colour the opposition kit colour.  Some blobs sit on top of each other.  The two on the right are Luton (orange) and Fulham (grey - they don’t do white).  QPR (light blue) is hidden by Fulham.  But you can see how those 3 games are out of kilter with a much more solid defensive effort in the other 6 games.  But of course I can’t pick and choose the games to prove things….but those 6 games were good signs.  Hoping we get back to those numbers.

Yep. Your displays are looking much better than those you showed me a couple of weeks ago. Good work mate.

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My main criticism around our play this season would be our overuse of mid to long balls down the wing which aren't much more sophisticated than playing into touch. Also in the final third we often look short of ideas which is odd because we've got so much experience up top. And the long throws at times!

Otherwise I'm pleased with how Pearson has got this squad playing and I'm fairly confident that he could get a stronger, more balanced version of this squad playing a more complete style. 

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1 hour ago, MarcusX said:

But we're giving the ball away more

So you have to weigh up which is better? I don't understand why ball retention is so demonised by some - although I accept there's a fine line between ball retention and the frustration of not taking risks and making key passes (e.g. England in the Euros at times)

Passing/ball retention should be a means to an end, i.e. finding an opening in the opposition defence to develop an attack.

Too often in the more recent past I think ball retention tended to become an end in itself. We seemed to be set up to give nothing away and to try and not to lose ( I know, every team sets up not to lose, but I think you will know what I mean) and lacked almost any attacking intent. Players were almost scared to try anything adventurous, so that all too often our ball retention consisted of passing back and across in our defensive third of the pitch.

It was because of this that we were the most shot shy team in the EFL.

There is little doubt that NP wants us to play on the front foot much more. It has not always come off this season, partly because we have new players bedding in          ( James, King, Atkinson, Simpson), existing players getting used to playing with new teammates and NP trying to install a new system and attitude within the squad.

From the games I’ve seen we seem to be  looking to pass the ball much more in the opposition half of the pitch, but because we are doing so with more attacking intention our retention tends to be shorter and when it breaks down we are more open so will give the opposition chances to break quickly. Conversely, there is little doubt that we are creating more chances ( although comparing to last season is from a very low base).

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30 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, you may have noticed I added some additional overlays (box plot / whiskers) to my charts since you looked at them a couple of weeks ago….to show the quartile ranges.

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For the rest of you, the middle line, each coloured blob represents shots conceded in each match.  The colour the opposition kit colour.  Some blobs sit on top of each other.  The two on the right are Luton (orange) and Fulham (grey - they don’t do white).  QPR (light blue) is hidden by Fulham.  But you can see how those 3 games are out of kilter with a much more solid defensive effort in the other 6 games.  But of course I can’t pick and choose the games to prove things….but those 6 games were good signs.  Hoping we get back to those numbers.

I suspect that Fulham and QPR will be among the teams with the most shots against most opposition teams  in the championship over the season

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1 minute ago, downendcity said:

I suspect that Fulham and QPR will be among the teams with the most shots against most opposition teams  in the championship over the season

Fulham 1st, QPR 4th.

3 minutes ago, downendcity said:

It was because of this that we were the most shot shy team in the EFL.

Interesting take on this particular point. My theory for the lack of long range shots under LJ and DH was that it was an instruction not to do so. We were so, so far below the divisional average that I really don't think it was just the players. Coupling that with LJs talk about box entries and the like, I deduced it was a tactical instruction to cross/pass it into the box when in positions outside the box that might normally allow for a shot.

It's interesting though that whilst we are up slightly in this department this term, we are still way below the division's average, and the increase is marginal at best. Perhaps that supports your theory that it's the players themselves who don't fancy it from range? 

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Ultimately, not many goals are scored from range, although I do think it is good to test Championship keepers, and long shots are a decent source of corners. It's not my top priority on the list of things to improve, but at the same time I don't think it would hurt to have a few more goes from range.

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1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

I've always thought, you only create 1 or 2 chances a game that puts massive pressure on whoever the chance falls to. If you're defending constantly chances are you don't get a clean sheet, and so pressure to score ramps up. 
I think the midfield has been better, helped the defence more efficiently than last year, though we are still allowing the opposition too many chances. What we have improved on is the number of good chances, at least it seems that way to me.

What Tone said was ..

Not scored more than normal teams, subtle but important difference I feel .

Matty James has been one of the best signings we have made in donkeys years.

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35 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I think we pass it back to our goalie less because we rarely play it out the back. In 17/18 we often tried to play it out and had to then go back to Fielding.

There is quite a few differences in how we play this season compared to previous.

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My main criticism around our play this season would be our overuse of mid to long balls down the wing which aren't much more sophisticated than playing into touch. Also in the final third we often look short of ideas which is odd because we've got so much experience up top. And the long throws at times!

Otherwise I'm pleased with how Pearson has got this squad playing and I'm fairly confident that he could get a stronger, more balanced version of this squad playing a more complete style. 

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tomorrow night might be two fairly similar teams in style!

24 minutes ago, downendcity said:

I suspect that Fulham and QPR will be among the teams with the most shots against most opposition teams  in the championship over the season

As @ExiledAjaxsaid above, here’s the table:- open play only.

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33 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, you may have noticed I added some additional overlays (box plot / whiskers) to my charts since you looked at them a couple of weeks ago….to show the quartile ranges.

Hands up who knows what box plot /whiskers are, I'm guessing nothing to do with multipack cat food.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

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I have to admit to struggling to see the value in this particular plot (to those reading this, this is not @Davefevs work so this is no slight on his good name). It is interesting to see how each team plays, but there's such little correlation between a team's position on this graph and their position in the table, or to who they beat and who they don't, that I find it hard to see the wood for the trees. 

I guess it perhaps shows just how many ways there are to skin the proverbial cat? 

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17 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

Hands up who knows what box plot /whiskers are, I'm guessing nothing to do with multipack cat food.

 

 

 

The GCSE version

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zx7rk7h/revision/3

You'll have to look up range, interquartile range, median, lower quartile and upper quartile of course. ?

Happy to help. ?

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3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

The GCSE version

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zx7rk7h/revision/3

Happy to help. ?

To be honest I'm not sure it does i reached my zenith at differential calculus and it's been downhill from there better off leaving it to the young guns.

"A utilities company is researching the cost of household gas and electricity bills. They have analysed the data from hundreds of households and found that the median cost is £66 and the interquartile range is £21. The range is £27.50, the cheapest price was £47.50 and the upper quartile was £74. Represent this information with a box-and-whisker plot."

 

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8 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

I have to admit to struggling to see the value in this particular plot (to those reading this, this is not @Davefevs work so this is no slight on his good name). It is interesting to see how each team plays, but there's such little correlation between a team's position on this graph and their position in the table, or to who they beat and who they don't, that I find it hard to see the wood for the trees. 

I guess it perhaps shows just how many ways there are to skin the proverbial cat? 

Yep, it’s useful to understand team style…..there is no magic system / style…..no correlation to league position is attempted. I used a similar chart a lot last season in my “what can we expect” pre-match write-ups.

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14 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

To be honest I'm not sure it does i reached my zenith at differential calculus and it's been downhill from there better off leaving it to the young guns.

Blimey, if you mastered differential calculus you're already way ahead!

Personally I'm not so much a young gun as a rusty old musket. ?

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4 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

Russell Osman presided over an away win against Liverpool - should we reappoint him....? As much as I liked LJ (but agreed it was past time for him to go), one swallow does not make a summer.

 

a) I’m not saying we should reappoint LJ - obvs. I’m saying there should be a bit more respect for him from some of our supporters. Life is not binary - one thing/person is not all bad or all good. There were plenty of swallows under LJ.

b) LJ’s record is better than Russell’s.

 

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1 hour ago, Dolman_Stand said:

Simplistically it's because we are a better team playing better and more effective football. The stats follow the performances not the other way around.

Even simpler, perhaps it’s because we are playing as a team, rather than 11 blokes who appear to have met  just before kick off.

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1 hour ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

To be honest I'm not sure it does i reached my zenith at differential calculus and it's been downhill from there better off leaving it to the young guns.

"A utilities company is researching the cost of household gas and electricity bills. They have analysed the data from hundreds of households and found that the median cost is £66 and the interquartile range is £21. The range is £27.50, the cheapest price was £47.50 and the upper quartile was £74. Represent this information with a box-and-whisker plot."

 

That’s actually pretty easy. Ask @Davefevs?

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