Popular Post Jimbo76 Posted October 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2021 He gets a rough ride on this forum, sometimes warranted, but I thought he was superb today. Really looked up for it. Glad the old boy has got an international break now to recover! 23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 As NP says: ‘I focus on what players can do, not what they can’t.’ He can’t run in behind and he hasn’t got much pace but he works hard, can lay off and has a knack of getting in goal-scoring positions when we create something. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 He gives us something different but I'd still like to see us sign another striker though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 He's no world beater but nor is he the complete donkey that sections of our fanbase make him out to be either. He's a useful Championship striker who needs managing carefully so as not to be overworked and run into the ground, which admittedly is easier said than done with our resources up front. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 He had a class game i thought he was gonna tire but then this energy came out of nowhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespa Red Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) There's a very (ahem) vocal young woman who sits behind us in the South Stand who expresses her opinion constantly throughout the game. She has been known to shout "SCORE" at random points of the game - I'm glad she does because I don't think that the players thought about that. Anyway, every now and again, she shouts "GO ON CHRIS MARTIN, THE LEAD SINGER OF COLDPLAY". I'm confused as I'm sure Chris Martin is - why is she cheering on someone who isn't even in the ground? Thought you'd like to read that even though it doesn't say anything about him as a player... Edited October 2, 2021 by Vespa Red 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Most experienced player we have. A very good player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 The disrespect he got pre game was embarrassing I thought 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Northern Red said: He's no world beater but nor is he the complete donkey that sections of our fanbase make him out to be either. He's a useful Championship striker who needs managing carefully so as not to be overworked and run into the ground, which admittedly is easier said than done with our resources up front. Agreed. Chris Martin is a great pro but brimming with class every week he ain't. However, great pro's are what we need right now with the budgetary constraints Steve has asked Nige to work to. We have to take the rough with the smooth and accept that for the game we got at Millwall we will then get a finish at the death today that had Mitrovic buried it we would have been saying "that's what £60K per week gets you at this level". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97Red Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Anyone in the away end catch his song? I couldn't quite make out the lyrics, but knew it was to the tune of Magic - Pilot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 He's answered his critics in the best possible way today. Let's hope he does a few more times. Well done Chris. Lovely finish, winning goal. Point made. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Great to see the pure joy on his face when he scored, celebrating Infront of the fans. He is a red, no doubt about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Thought he had a mixed first half, but was really good second half. Could’ve easily had a hat-trick today. He’s quite quick when he gets moving 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 He had some chances in the first half, then he seemed to disappear for a while in the second half...until he made a powerful run on the left, who led to a chance: after that, he created problems to the Posh defence, and a good header was followed by the goal some minutes later. I still think we should not overuse him (one of the reasons why I would have given Bell a chance in the 2nd half), but today he made the difference again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Don’t mean this to put him down, but he’s what we need: a competent championship forward. Knows exactly his role in the side, does it very well and performs consistently. Really can’t ask of any more from him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Thought he had a mixed first half, but was really good second half. Could’ve easily had a hat-trick today. He’s quite quick when he gets moving That's probably the problem Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dan Robin said: He had some chances in the first half, then he seemed to disappear for a while in the second half...until he made a powerful run on the left, who led to a chance: after that, he created problems to the Posh defence, and a good header was followed by the goal some minutes later. I still think we should not overuse him (one of the reasons why I would have given Bell a chance in the 2nd half), but today he made the difference again. Had three headers saved in the second half too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Wins basically everything. Hold up play in general is very strong. Goal contribution every 2 games so far this season. Not bad for a ‘Shit’ near-34 year old striker who’s returned from a serious injury! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 minute ago, petehinton said: Wins basically everything. Hold up play in general is very strong. Goal contribution every 2 games so far this season. Not bad for a ‘Shit’ near-34 year old striker who’s returned from a serious injury! Still 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Really chuffed for him today. I have to admit when I saw that Wells was not fit, and that Martin was starting, especially after Millwall where he really didn't play well I was worried, but what a way to ram that down my throat, class finish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Still 32. Meant near 33 oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Had three headers saved in the second half too. Uhm, maybe I missed one of them. Anyway, he looked dangerous in a crucial moment of the match. Edited October 2, 2021 by Dan Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 He would be better with more movement around him - we won’t see the best of him until we improve as a team He’s still a class act even now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Nice touch, good linkup play and some goals. Still worry about the risk of overplaying him but he took it very well today, and the International break has surely come at a decent time, good rest and conditioning for our players hopefully and NP too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 In an ideal world he wouldn’t be playing as much, but that’s certainly not his fault. We have signed much worse for higher fees (I acknowledge his wages are probably top end for us, though). Clever. experienced striker who has 4 goals in 11 games & already won us some vital points. Be great if Wells was back after the international break to share the load but he’s doing a sound job overall. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 His goal: https://streamja.com/05Bo1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, GrahamC said: In an ideal world he wouldn’t be playing as much, but that’s certainly not his fault. We have signed much worse for higher fees (I acknowledge his wages are probably top end for us, though). Clever. experienced striker who has 4 goals in 11 games & already won us some vital points. Be great if Wells was back after the international break to share the load but he’s doing a sound job overall. I`m not sure they are - wasn`t it length of contract that allegedly swung it for us? Probably on a decent wedge though for all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brann-red Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, 97Red said: Anyone in the away end catch his song? I couldn't quite make out the lyrics, but knew it was to the tune of Magic - Pilot. Didn’t hear it - had wondered if there was a song for him … similarly shouldn’t we have a song for kalas .?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, GrahamC said: striker who has 4 goals in 11 games In the final analysis strikers are paid to scored goals. At that run rate he is on for 16/17 goals which is superior to Diedhou. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Everyone can see what he can’t do but it’s not always obvious what he can do. His strengths are holding the ball and laying it off to midfield players. Unfortunately, we’ve got a lot of midfield players who hardly ever score and don’t run into attacking positions to take advantage of his positional play. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Northern Red said: He's no world beater but nor is he the complete donkey that sections of our fanbase make him out to be either. He's a useful Championship striker who needs managing carefully so as not to be overworked and run into the ground, which admittedly is easier said than done with our resources up front. Are you describing Fammy or Martin there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Vespa Red said: Anyway, every now and again, she shouts "GO ON CHRIS MARTIN, THE LEAD SINGER OF COLDPLAY". I'm confused as I'm sure Chris Martin is - why is she cheering on someone who isn't even in the ground? Thought you'd like to read that even though it doesn't say anything about him as a player That is so funny - really made me laugh!.. I have had a few malbec's mind 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 55 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Everyone can see what he can’t do but it’s not always obvious what he can do. His strengths are holding the ball and laying it off to midfield players. Unfortunately, we’ve got a lot of midfield players who hardly ever score and don’t run into attacking positions to take advantage of his positional play. Williams??... He's on the way.. I'm looking forwards to watching him 100% fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, Son of Fred said: Williams??... He's on the way.. I'm looking forwards to watching him 100% fit. Joe Williams has only scored 2 goals in 102 league appearances. He’s a good player but not a regular scorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Joe Williams has only scored 2 goals in 102 league appearances. He’s a good player but not a regular scorer I'm just starting my second bottle of Malbec & that says he'll bag us a few... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Good game today. His shot before our second goal, Tanner. Find the net when lots of Poshplayers were near him, well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Can’t fault his commitment and professionalism. Seems like a good person to have around in the changing room too. Good finish for his goal today and an even better celebration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 I reckon Chris Martin has seen the criticism aimed at him on here……….and that’s motivated him to up his game today………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Vespa Red said: There's a very (ahem) vocal young woman who sits behind us in the South Stand who expresses her opinion constantly throughout the game. She has been known to shout "SCORE" at random points of the game - I'm glad she does because I don't think that the players thought about that. Anyway, every now and again, she shouts "GO ON CHRIS MARTIN, THE LEAD SINGER OF COLDPLAY". I'm confused as I'm sure Chris Martin is - why is she cheering on someone who isn't even in the ground? Thought you'd like to read that even though it doesn't say anything about him as a player... Thank god I don’t sit by you. I’d have told her to shut the **** up by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 45 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Joe Williams has only scored 2 goals in 102 league appearances. He’s a good player but not a regular scorer Hes a midfielder , he doesn’t have to score . He got a assist today. That’ll do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 hours ago, firstdivision said: As NP says: ‘I focus on what players can do, not what they can’t.’ He can’t run in behind and he hasn’t got much pace but he works hard, can lay off and has a knack of getting in goal-scoring positions when we create something. The way he tore past their defender today, just before the goal, suggests he's not as slow as some thought. Well played today though Chris Martin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said: Are you describing Fammy or Martin there Haha, could apply to both of them to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 hours ago, petehinton said: Wins basically everything. Hold up play in general is very strong. Goal contribution every 2 games so far this season. Not bad for a ‘Shit’ near-34 year old striker who’s returned from a serious injury! Objectively (and less divisive!) I would say the truth is more likely that he started the season well, had a few below par games and then today was (for me, a recent critic) man of the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Thought he had an average first half. Didn’t impose himself enough, I felt. Better second half, then I thought he looked like he was tiring. And next thing he was like a man possessed for 10 minutes. No idea where that came from, but great to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespa Red Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: Thank god I don’t sit by you. I’d have told her to shut the **** up by now I should do really. All that squawking plays havoc with my tinnitus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red colin Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 4 hours ago, JonDolman said: I thought his levels dropped in QPR, Preston and certainly Millwall game. But much better today. I think Weimann had another quiet game. I wonder if Wells gets back in up top with Martin when he is back. Please get Wells in and that fraud weimann out. Enough. he is a nothing a shirt ,a player that gets in the way ,he has tons of energy yes but but its usually in the wrong place and I feel we can get a much. Better fit in our team than the undroppable weimann.never heard him mentioned on commentary today and many commterys before there are a lot of those days. Commitment yes energy yes but scores a couple.now and again but for me is a player that's finished. Doesn't fit anywhere in the side ,not a forward not a winger he offeres Nil apart from energy ..dissappears constantly, I feel we just accommodated him in team due to his running which on the eye looks good but achieve minimal for team.for me he is a great runner and battler but a non producer in the bigger picture..I would be looking to bring in someone to replace him ASAP. We carry him most games. In my opinion. Always felt this way. ⁸ 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 @Desso just spoke to Chris. He appreciates you’ve obviously been kicked to **** in the championship with your back to goal for ten-15 Years . Still doing it though. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: Thank god I don’t sit by you. I’d have told her to shut the **** up by now We all ha e idiots behind us don't we! I told some to shut up at the start of the season for booing tbe taking of the knee... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 5 hours ago, pongo88 said: Everyone can see what he can’t do but it’s not always obvious what he can do. His strengths are holding the ball and laying it off to midfield players. Unfortunately, we’ve got a lot of midfield players who hardly ever score and don’t run into attacking positions to take advantage of his positional play. Said in the week that Martin needs midfield runners around him. Last couple of games, James has had to babysit Bakinson (bit harsh, but it’s constrained him) and today with a quiet King alongside him we saw James getting around the box into shooting positions…in fact it was him laying off to Martin for Tanner’s goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 We have 3 strikers who bring different strengths and weaknesses to the side. 4 in fact what with Semenyo when he's fit again. Some games Wells will be preferable to Martin. Some games you might have Semenyo and Weimann in wider roles and Martin or Wells central, other games might be Weimann central as the '1', 3-5-2/4-4-1-1...Wells or Martin dependent on various factors. Talking of Martin, despite his strong start he will still need managing carefully moving forward IMO. Not quite wrapping up in cotton wool but a good mix of rest and conditioning in the next fortnight, the International break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) Chris Martin is an international footballer and a very good player. Anything written on here that’s negative about the fella just emphasizes the amount of numpties that this place gives a voice too! Edited October 2, 2021 by REDOXO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Cant be accused of lack of effort. Sniffs out a lot of chances. Was in the right place right time today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 hours ago, REDOXO said: Chris Martin is an international footballer and a very good player. Anything written on here that’s negative about the fella just emphasizes the amount of numpties that this place gives a voice too! I can't work out if your post is satirical or no! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 14 hours ago, firstdivision said: As NP says: ‘I focus on what players can do, not what they can’t.’ He can’t run in behind and he hasn’t got much pace but he works hard, can lay off and has a knack of getting in goal-scoring positions when we create something. The only problem is he hasn’t got great pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 He seems to have an amazing ability to read the flight of the ball, I am constantly amazed at how many times he wins a ball in the air without jumping for it. That gives him such a firm base in a challenge it helps him hold off much bigger players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I thought he was brilliant second half yesterday. Probably one of his best performances in that half. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desso Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, REDOXO said: 8 hours ago, REDOXO said: Chris Martin is an international footballer and a very good player. Anything written on here that’s negative about the fella just emphasizes the amount of numpties that this place gives a voice too! Hi Chris. Good second half today, keep it up. Edited October 3, 2021 by Desso 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) It’s interesting that Darren Ferguson also thought he was good. He stated he was a handful throughout, and he had that quality and caused them problems. (His comments on the equivalent of our Bristol live) when someone of his pedigree says that you have to suspect it’s right. (Not going off topic but always surprised he has not done more as a manager) However with Saturday, midweek, Saturday there’s no way he could last a full season, bound to come out at some stage.. Edited October 3, 2021 by DT The Optimist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 12 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: Hes a midfielder , he doesn’t have to score . He got a assist today. That’ll do It doesn’t matter if there is only one midfielder who doesn’t score often, but it does matter if the entire midfield is bereft of goals, which was the point I was making. To be successful a team can’t just have a couple of good forwards. Most of the other players must chip in with a few goals here or there. That isn’t going to happen with the current crop of midfielders, good as they are. Joe Williams - 2 league goals in 102 appearances H N M - 2 in 78 James - 10 in 78 Semenyo - 8 in 93 (only 2 at Championship level) The best, in terms of scoring are Weimann with 57 in 335, though a lot have come when he’s played as a forward, and O’Dowda with 57 in 335 There has been a lot of talk about the need to sign a 20 goals per season. We do, but we also need to sign a goal scoring midfielder. Put this new player with Williams, HNM, and James and we’d have a good midfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 15 hours ago, Davefevs said: Thought he had a mixed first half, but was really good second half. Could’ve easily had a hat-trick today. He’s quite quick when he gets moving This. Issue is just that his acceleration is non-existent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Fuber said: This. Issue is just that his acceleration is non-existent. It takes a while to detach the parachute! Why do you think his arse is so big, it’s the back-pack! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 17 hours ago, Son of Fred said: I'm just starting my second bottle of Malbec & that says he'll bag us a few... You’ve gone up in my estimation. Two bottles of Malbec on a Saturday evening and you’re still compos mentis! We need more people like this on the forum. There is the crossbar challenge at matches, so why not the Malbec challenge? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, pongo88 said: You’ve gone up in my estimation. Two bottles of Malbec on a Saturday evening and you’re still compos mentis! We need more people like this on the forum. There is the crossbar challenge at matches, so why not the Malbec challenge? @BS4 on Tour... here you go 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 hours ago, pongo88 said: The best, in terms of scoring are Weimann with 57 in 335, though a lot have come when he’s played as a forward, and O’Dowda with 57 in 335 That just caught my eye. That's quite a surprising statistic, or it is to me, at any rate. Leaving aside for the moment the finer points of which position he plays, the guy is, essentially, a winger and a goal in - on average - every sixth game, is actually pretty good going for a wide man. If he's done that over the course of his career so far (and I haven't checked the accuracy of the data - wouldn't know where to look, in fact), then given his issues with injury, that's really rather impressive. Doesn't quite fit the narrative about him being a waste of space, does it? (Which some people will find annoyingly inconvenient.) And on the subject of injury, I can't now remember the details, but when he had his very bad ankle damage and was out for a long period, it was at a time when there was a particularly heavy cloak of silence about players' injury status. However, it did eventually leak out that he had had some fairly heavy-duty surgery, with, I believe, some metal-work having to be done to the joint - pinning, or a plate inserted, I'm not sure exactly what. I also remember hints that it had looked a bit touch-and-go at one stage whether it might turn out to be a potential career-ending situation, which might help to explain why any knock to that area tends to cause anxiety and a lot of caution about how he's treated. It seems to have been largely forgotten that he's had to work his way back from that extremely serious problem, and has had setbacks along the way. For the record, I'm not a great fan of his, especially, but as ever on OTIB, we do see some disproportionate criticism of individual players. I notice, for example, that some posters have been coming to the defence of Chris Martin, and quite rightly so, following a series of unnecessarily abusive remarks about a very experienced and capable forward who is deservedly well respected in the game. O'Dowda still has a lot to prove, but he's a better player than some people on the forum would have us all believe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said: That just caught my eye. That's quite a surprising statistic, or it is to me, at any rate. Leaving aside for the moment the finer points of which position he plays, the guy is, essentially, a winger and a goal in - on average - every sixth game, is actually pretty good going for a wide man. If he's done that over the course of his career so far (and I haven't checked the accuracy of the data - wouldn't know where to look, in fact), then given his issues with injury, that's really rather impressive. Doesn't quite fit the narrative about him being a waste of space, does it? (Which some people will find annoyingly inconvenient.) And on the subject of injury, I can't now remember the details, but when he had his very bad ankle damage and was out for a long period, it was at a time when there was a particularly heavy cloak of silence about players' injury status. However, it did eventually leak out that he had had some fairly heavy-duty surgery, with, I believe, some metal-work having to be done to the joint - pinning, or a plate inserted, I'm not sure exactly what. I also remember hints that it had looked a bit touch-and-go at one stage whether it might turn out to be a potential career-ending situation, which might help to explain why any knock to that area tends to cause anxiety and a lot of caution about how he's treated. It seems to have been largely forgotten that he's had to work his way back from that extremely serious problem, and has had setbacks along the way. For the record, I'm not a great fan of his, especially, but as ever on OTIB, we do see some disproportionate criticism of individual players. I notice, for example, that some posters have been coming to the defence of Chris Martin, and quite rightly so, following a series of unnecessarily abusive remarks about a very experienced and capable forward who is deservedly well respected in the game. O'Dowda still has a lot to prove, but he's a better player than some people on the forum would have us all believe. ON reflection, I should probably have posted that on the COD thread, but have no idea how to move it, or whether that's even possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 hours ago, pongo88 said: It doesn’t matter if there is only one midfielder who doesn’t score often, but it does matter if the entire midfield is bereft of goals, which was the point I was making. To be successful a team can’t just have a couple of good forwards. Most of the other players must chip in with a few goals here or there. That isn’t going to happen with the current crop of midfielders, good as they are. Joe Williams - 2 league goals in 102 appearances H N M - 2 in 78 James - 10 in 78 Semenyo - 8 in 93 (only 2 at Championship level) The best, in terms of scoring are Weimann with 57 in 335, though a lot have come when he’s played as a forward, and O’Dowda with 57 in 335 There has been a lot of talk about the need to sign a 20 goals per season. We do, but we also need to sign a goal scoring midfielder. Put this new player with Williams, HNM, and James and we’d have a good midfield Are you sure ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Are you sure ? Think O’Dowda’s scored fewer than Weimann (and doesn’t have exactly the same record as Weimann). To some of the Gerard comparisons made, whilst his career record to date doesn’t imply this is likely, wonder if Williams playing slightly further forward could be a decent goal scoring midfielder? Looked dangerous with head and feet yesterday in forward positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Just now, The Swan and Cemetery said: Think O’Dowda’s scored fewer than Weimann (and doesn’t have exactly the same record as Weimann). To some of the Gerard comparisons made, whilst his career record to date doesn’t imply this is likely, wonder if Williams playing slightly further forward could be a decent goal scoring midfielder? Looked dangerous with head and feet yesterday in forward positions. I'd be surprised if COD has scored much more than 20 goals in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Are you sure ? No I’m not. wiki shows O’Dowd has score. 19 from 237. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 56 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said: That just caught my eye. That's quite a surprising statistic, or it is to me, at any rate. Leaving aside for the moment the finer points of which position he plays, the guy is, essentially, a winger and a goal in - on average - every sixth game, is actually pretty good going for a wide man. If he's done that over the course of his career so far (and I haven't checked the accuracy of the data - wouldn't know where to look, in fact), then given his issues with injury, that's really rather impressive. Doesn't quite fit the narrative about him being a waste of space, does it? (Which some people will find annoyingly inconvenient.) And on the subject of injury, I can't now remember the details, but when he had his very bad ankle damage and was out for a long period, it was at a time when there was a particularly heavy cloak of silence about players' injury status. However, it did eventually leak out that he had had some fairly heavy-duty surgery, with, I believe, some metal-work having to be done to the joint - pinning, or a plate inserted, I'm not sure exactly what. I also remember hints that it had looked a bit touch-and-go at one stage whether it might turn out to be a potential career-ending situation, which might help to explain why any knock to that area tends to cause anxiety and a lot of caution about how he's treated. It seems to have been largely forgotten that he's had to work his way back from that extremely serious problem, and has had setbacks along the way. For the record, I'm not a great fan of his, especially, but as ever on OTIB, we do see some disproportionate criticism of individual players. I notice, for example, that some posters have been coming to the defence of Chris Martin, and quite rightly so, following a series of unnecessarily abusive remarks about a very experienced and capable forward who is deservedly well respected in the game. O'Dowda still has a lot to prove, but he's a better player than some people on the forum would have us all believe. For avoidance of doubt: Maybe a copy and paste error from Weimann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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