IAmNick Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sixtyseconds said: Woke is a tool for the elites. Create woke wars. Create a woke monoculture. Create a woke batshit crazy language full of ism, ists and obias that bears no relation to the lives of good people. Discuss nothing outside of the chosen woke narrative Attack those who wont bend and take the woke narrative. Divide Western Societies. And the elite and corrupt hoover up democracies, economies and freedoms. Great point. Famously the elite are HUGE fans of challenging and changing the societies they exist in that made them elite in the first place. Famously they also want to improve the lot and life of the most downtrodden in the society, usually the ones they take advantage of to make their obscene wealth. I can see it now. The world's billionaires huddled around a table. Finally they have hoovered up 99% of the wealth on our planet and they can enact their master plan - increasing and protecting human rights, letting people choose their pronouns, and fighting racism. What planet do you live on?! 2 hours ago, Trueredsupporter said: Football fans going on about bending the knee have a look at whose taken over Newcastle. Football fans going on about three words being on banner whose taken over Newcastle!!! these woke social justice circus fans will get behind the world cup in qatar as well. This is such a stupid argument. You couldn't exist in society if you held yourself to these standards and refused to do anything that had even the most tangential relation to something you disagreed with. Given the club take the knee by your logic above you should stop supporting City? Edited October 14, 2021 by IAmNick 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 19 hours ago, Cowshed said: A poster asserted the words All Lives Matter can have a non literal undeniably racist meaning due to what occurs four thousand miles away. Within this thread you take exception to a multi racial group displaying banner displaying that phrase. You used the I'm not racist trope. You feel the phrase All Lives Matter is provocative. And yet you happily associate taking the knee with events from America, and use that as part of your basis for the dislike of it. You also ignore that the people doing it have said WHY they are (the equivalent of the words on the banner), and instead focus on your perception of it. I think you're the one tied in knots here. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip Broadwalk Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 See the swerve. Still banging on about a group of City fans who were white black asian mixed race catholic Italian displaying a banner saying All Lives Matter while at Newcastle those who think they dont have bought the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) On 13/10/2021 at 12:11, IAmNick said: Nobody is "telling" you, specifically, anything. You're not understanding. Amusingly you are the terminally offended here. You're looking at discussions of our entire society and trying to apply them to yourself personally. With "Stop and search" above, saying that massively more black people get stopped isn't saying no white people do, or that if you're white police wont target you unfairly. It'd be like saying "1/3 people get cancer but I haven't got cancer. Are you trying to tell me I do?". People are saying that in general if you look across all of our society then black folk have a measurably more difficult time. That is NOT saying: - ALL black folk are poor, or ALL black folk have a difficult time in life - ALL white people have an easier life than ALL black people - White people DON'T have difficult lives, or live in extreme poverty, get discriminated against, and have widespread problems we need to tackle, and so on - An individual white person will always have an easier life than a black person Why do people feel the need to take things so personally? I'm white, and accepting that we have systematic issues in our country isn't a negative thing for me, and doesn't make any struggles I've had feel easier or ignored or whatever. Why does this bother you so much? It’s because it’s being used as a means to disadvantage people that are already disadvantaged, but not because of their race. As an example, Avon and Somerset Police didn’t prevent rich white men from joining, they prevented two hundred white men without any consideration for their so-called privilege or lack of. It’s appalling that this is so accepted, Colin Port should have been sacked. Instead the practice was dropped and instead Port started campaigning for a change in the law, using the same tax money paid by the people he was discriminating against. And you can argue it was only two hundred guys, but those two hundred will now be hearing nonsense about how privileged they are and how they may have troubles but it won’t be because of their skin colour. People take it personally because making sweeping statements about privilege and advantage is judging people by the colour of their skin and not the content of their character. On 13/10/2021 at 13:25, Wiltshire robin said: It’s the same 4 or 5 accounts that literally turn every thread into a woke political thread too. This forums rarely ever about football now and more about certain posters telling users of this forum how privileged they are ( even though a lot are from working class backgrounds) . You can guarantee the ones spouting woke comments are from upper middle class backgrounds and have no clue what being working class and white is like . A study in the US found exactly this. They can feel guilty if they want, but excesses of virtue are worse than excesses of vice as the former isn’t subject to the regulation of conscience. Edited October 14, 2021 by luke_bristol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, luke_bristol said: t’s because it’s being used as a means to disadvantage people that are already disadvantaged, but not because of their race. As an example, Avon and Somerset Police didn’t prevent rich white men from joining, they prevented two hundred white men without any consideration for their so-called privilege or lack of. It’s appalling that this is so accepted, Colin Port should have been sacked. Instead the practice was dropped and instead Port started campaigning for a change in the law, using the same tax money paid by the people he was discriminating against. And you can argue it was only two hundred guys, but those two hundred will now be hearing nonsense about how privileged they are and how they may have troubles but it won’t be because of their skin colour. People take it personally because making sweeping statements about privilege and advantage is judging people by the colour of their skin and not the content of their character. Can you link some info about this please? Were they prevented due to white privilege? Just had a look and all I can find that even seems to be slightly related is A&S having to pay out to a single white person fifteen years ago, with this Colin Port admitting it was wrong to discriminate based on his race. Not so accepted then..? Maybe I'm missing something. 1 hour ago, luke_bristol said: On 13/10/2021 at 13:25, Wiltshire robin said: It’s the same 4 or 5 accounts that literally turn every thread into a woke political thread too. This forums rarely ever about football now and more about certain posters telling users of this forum how privileged they are ( even though a lot are from working class backgrounds) . You can guarantee the ones spouting woke comments are from upper middle class backgrounds and have no clue what being working class and white is like . A study in the US found exactly this. They can feel guilty if they want, but excesses of virtue are worse than excesses of vice as the former isn’t subject to the regulation of conscience. Can you link the study please? What do you classify as an excess of virtue? Who judges that? What excessively virtuous opinions do you regularly come across, on this thread for example? Edited October 14, 2021 by IAmNick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: As we all do I generally surround myself with people who broadly have similar opinions to me. I like coming on here for a "discussion" as I get a whole range of stuff I don't normally get first hand. It's interesting. Also I'm just an argumentative bugger as well of course Edited October 14, 2021 by IAmNick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Can a couple of blokes from The CSF bang a few posters heads together Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 hours ago, IAmNick said: Also I'm just an argumentative bugger as well of course No you're not! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 21 hours ago, Trueredsupporter said: Football fans going on about bending the knee have a look at whose taken over Newcastle. Football fans going on about three words being on banner whose taken over Newcastle!!! these woke social justice circus fans will get behind the world cup in qatar as well. Not that this thread is about taking the knee... but I get the point, but you can always provide a "what about" statement. I hope you don't use Facebook, Uber, Disney+, never got on a Boeing plane, or voted for the Tories if you are that opposed to Saudi investment, just to name a few. We as fans, especially City, have little control over what happens in Newcastle or the World Cup. I've been to the last 3 tournaments but won't be going to Qatar, I don't plan to go to St James Park anytime soon either. 19 hours ago, Three Lions said: See the swerve. Still banging on about a group of City fans who were white black asian mixed race catholic Italian displaying a banner saying All Lives Matter while at Newcastle those who think they dont have bought the club. What swerve? This thread is specifically about the cenotaph. If you'd like to discuss the Newcastle take over, start a thread on it... Again though, if you're that upset about Saudi investment I'd love to know what else you boycott in life to avoid their funding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 11 hours ago, REDOXO said: Can a couple of blokes from The CSF bang a few posters heads together Thank you! No chance, they only do that to like minded individuals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, MarcusX said: What swerve? This thread is specifically about the cenotaph. If you'd like to discuss the Newcastle take over, start a thread on it... Step over? Side step? Start a thread more rools. You introduced bending the genu. Newcastle take over and bending the knee. Here at St James park their bending the knee in poweful statement against inequality. In todays news Amnesty international condemn Saudi Arabias appalling human rights record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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