Bristol Manor Farm vs Paulton Rovers FA Trophy

[northsomersetred]

I think the  BMF manager might be in a spot of bother this week

 

 

[petehinton]

No surprise at all, BMF have been an absolute disgrace for years now

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

They don't like losing to the villagers do they ?

[steveybadger]

His own players acting to restrain him!? That is appaling. 

[Ronnie Sinclair]

He’s not happy is he!!

[PHILINFRANCE]

Was @JamesBCFC at the game?

What was it all about?

[Robin101]

2 hours ago, petehinton said:

No surprise at all, BMF have been an absolute disgrace for years now

Oh really? Just out of nosiness, why have they been a disgrace?

[sglosbcfc]

1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said:

The referee was dreadful throughout the game (note this is not to justify the behaviour, nor the defeat, Paulton were superb going forward and a particular mention to their 10 who not only gave Manor Farm's defence a torrid time, but also spent a good chunk of the game defending in his own penalty area. The better team on the day won without question). But the referees performance was to the point where one would think he had been club appointed, and even Paulton players were commenting on how bad he was after the game.

After Farm had a player sent of (a rare correct decision, though the original booking was the player reacting to an appalling decision, the second yellow was a nailed on one and a silly tackle to make when already booked) frustrations were rising on the Farm bench.

Lashenko (Farm manager) got booked, or spoken to by the ref late on (do managers get booked? Or just spoken to before getting sent off)

After the game they had the post match handshake just to the right of the goal this was filmed from, everything seemed OK at that point.

Then something clearly got said by either the referee or linesman, because Lashenko completely lost it and turned, going for the ref, calling him a liar amongst other things (you can hear this at 12-13 seconds in).

He was initially pulled away by some players and then tried to have a second go, which is the part that's been filmed.

You can also hear one of the people who went to the game say "he was walking away from you".

I fully understood why he was frustrated, but his behaviour there isn't acceptable at all and he will rightly get a fine, match ban or both.

 

Lashenko is a big Gashead is he not?

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

Manor Farm are a cup team, that is all they worry about. Don't know if it still the case but Lashenko used to contribute a lot towards the players wages. The difference between winning and losing on Saturday was something in the region of £1400. Anyway Paulton v Manor Farm in the league on Saturday, can Paulton make it 3 wins against BMF in 12 days after the 2 cup wins.

[northsomersetred]

1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said:

The referee was dreadful throughout the game (note this is not to justify the behaviour, nor the defeat, Paulton were superb going forward and a particular mention to their 10 who not only gave Manor Farm's defence a torrid time, but also spent a good chunk of the game defending in his own penalty area. The better team on the day won without question). But the referees performance was to the point where one would think he had been club appointed, and even Paulton players were commenting on how bad he was after the game.

After Farm had a player sent of (a rare correct decision, though the original booking was the player reacting to an appalling decision, the second yellow was a nailed on one and a silly tackle to make when already booked) frustrations were rising on the Farm bench.

Lashenko (Farm manager) got booked, or spoken to by the ref late on (do managers get booked? Or just spoken to before getting sent off)

After the game they had the post match handshake just to the right of the goal this was filmed from, everything seemed OK at that point.

Then something clearly got said by either the referee or linesman, because Lashenko completely lost it and turned, going for the ref, calling him a liar amongst other things (you can hear this at 12-13 seconds in).

He was initially pulled away by some players and then tried to have a second go, which is the part that's been filmed.

You can also hear one of the people who went to the game say "he was walking away from you".

I fully understood why he was frustrated, but his behaviour there isn't acceptable at all and he will rightly get a fine, match ban or both.

 

Can you explain why the gent in the grey jumper, a committee member by all accounts, is touching the ref and saying 'get the **** in your room' and not trying to get the manager off the pitch?

No matter what the refs have done there is absolutely no need for this and people wonder why there's a ref shortage?

Behaviour like that is the reason i don't ref football, I umpire in the local cricket leagues and behaviour of players and team officials/supporters has started to go downhill over the past few years. We don't deliberatley go out to give bad decisions, we do our best under trying conditions at times.

[BS4 on Tour...]

1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said:

The referee was dreadful throughout the game (note this is not to justify the behaviour, nor the defeat, Paulton were superb going forward and a particular mention to their 10 who not only gave Manor Farm's defence a torrid time, but also spent a good chunk of the game defending in his own penalty area. The better team on the day won without question). But the referees performance was to the point where one would think he had been club appointed, and even Paulton players were commenting on how bad he was after the game.

After Farm had a player sent of (a rare correct decision, though the original booking was the player reacting to an appalling decision, the second yellow was a nailed on one and a silly tackle to make when already booked) frustrations were rising on the Farm bench.

Lashenko (Farm manager) got booked, or spoken to by the ref late on (do managers get booked? Or just spoken to before getting sent off)

After the game they had the post match handshake just to the right of the goal this was filmed from, everything seemed OK at that point.

Then something clearly got said by either the referee or linesman, because Lashenko completely lost it and turned, going for the ref, calling him a liar amongst other things (you can hear this at 12-13 seconds in).

He was initially pulled away by some players and then tried to have a second go, which is the part that's been filmed.

You can also hear one of the people who went to the game say "he was walking away from you".

I fully understood why he was frustrated, but his behaviour there isn't acceptable at all and he will rightly get a fine, match ban or both.

Great post and summary of the situation James, top work mate ...

[Bs4Red]

I feel like there are two sides to every story and this video only paints one. Lee is a good bloke and normally very level headed so I believe something must’ve been said by the referee. 

[Paulton Red]

Now I’m torn...Saturday at the gate or at Winterfield?

 

[lenred]

 

16 hours ago, petehinton said:

No surprise at all, BMF have been an absolute disgrace for years now

Why may I ask? 

[Super]

13 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

I feel like there are two sides to every story and this video only paints one. Lee is a good bloke and normally very level headed so I believe something must’ve been said by the referee. 

Or just the fact that he wasn't very happy with decisions in the game. He needs to grow up pathetic behaviour.

[Cowshed]

Recently Bristol Manor Farm Avon Youth league teams had no referees for games. Manor Farm were not the only club affected. Entire divisions had no refeerees allocated to them. This stretched across age groups. No refs. 

The reason was the disgraceful behaviour displayed towards referees including refs of fourteen and fifteen by coaches and Managers.

Referees are being driven away from the game at grass roots level and if they progress up levels they have Managers like that to contend with. 

 

[phantom]

13 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

I feel like there are two sides to every story and this video only paints one. Lee is a good bloke and normally very level headed so I believe something must’ve been said by the referee. 

Isn't the saying there are three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth?

Would be interesting to know what could have been said to make the Manager lose the plot so badly, would it be fair to say he gave a reason why the Manager had been cautioned and the Manager was calling him a liar?

Either way, the FA will no doubt throw the book at the Manager, being online just makes it all even worse for those involved.

As for the guy in the grey, needlessly getting involved and seemingly adding to the problems that will be thrown at BMF after this.

I'm not sure why someone is talking about "he was walking away", hardly the first person to be cautioned or sent off with their back turned etc to the ref

12 hours ago, Paulton Red said:

Now I’m torn...Saturday at the gate or at Winterfield?

 

I'm guessing there was no issue between the teams?

[Numero Uno]

59 minutes ago, Super said:

Or just the fact that he wasn't very happy with decisions in the game. He needs to grow up pathetic behaviour.

Apparently the ref was dishing out a bit of industrial language at players and management himself. Doesn’t excuse the reaction clearly BUT it’s not a clever thing to do if you want to avoid this type of incident. If you want to ref at a decent level management of players and officials is all part of it, like it or not. Sounds like the manager shook hands with the ref must have said something and got sent off when he was walking away from the ref.

The FA will no doubt get to the bottom of it taking everything into account not just our view of the video. He can expect a lengthy ban though.

[Red-Robbo]

15 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

I feel like there are two sides to every story and this video only paints one. Lee is a good bloke and normally very level headed so I believe something must’ve been said by the referee. 

 

Indeed. Very surprised by the video. Far from the jovial Lee Lashenko you hear on Radio Bris when GT phones him up. 

[The Bard]

17 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

The referee was dreadful throughout the game (note this is not to justify the behaviour, nor the defeat, Paulton were superb going forward and a particular mention to their 10 who not only gave Manor Farm's defence a torrid time, but also spent a good chunk of the game defending in his own penalty area. The better team on the day won without question). But the referees performance was to the point where one would think he had been club appointed, and even Paulton players were commenting on how bad he was after the game.

After Farm had a player sent of (a rare correct decision, though the original booking was the player reacting to an appalling decision, the second yellow was a nailed on one and a silly tackle to make when already booked) frustrations were rising on the Farm bench.

Lashenko (Farm manager) got booked, or spoken to by the ref late on (do managers get booked? Or just spoken to before getting sent off)

After the game they had the post match handshake just to the right of the goal this was filmed from, everything seemed OK at that point.

Then something clearly got said by either the referee or linesman, because Lashenko completely lost it and turned, going for the ref, calling him a liar amongst other things (you can hear this at 12-13 seconds in).

He was initially pulled away by some players and then tried to have a second go, which is the part that's been filmed.

You can also hear one of the people who went to the game say "he was walking away from you".

I fully understood why he was frustrated, but his behaviour there isn't acceptable at all and he will rightly get a fine, match ban or both.

 

A fine?

 

If football is serious about protecting refs he'll get banned from any kind of involvement in football for about 10 years.

So bored hearing about the standard of refs when they have to deal with that.  

[The Bard]

14 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Yet another person who doesn't bother to read things through.

 

I put a fine and or match ban because I don't know what the punishment would be.

Whatever punishment he gets he can hardly complain, I did make that part clear.

 

I also tried to make it clear, yet apparently not clear enough, that I was not justifying his behaviour. What I said about the game is all context, meaning I understand why he was angry, but doesn't mean I am saying his actions are acceptable. There is a huge distinction between the two things.

 

The standard of refs at that level is generally pretty good, this guy was as one eyed as it was possible to be. So when it is such an exception to what they normally have, it is very much something that should be mentioned.

The weekend before this they had a referee who, other that letting a couple of over zealous tackles go, which led to handbags once or twice, was letting the game flow well and mostly did well. He didn't do great, but he did ok, while Saturday just gone saying the ref was abysmal would have been too kind. His performance was bad to the degree of being noteworthy of how bad it was.

I did read what you said but it changes nothing 

A long ban is needed. It's football and that level of intimidation and aggression is unjustifiable.

[Super]

8 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

The video still doesn't show the full story. 

20 seconds before this they had done the post match handshake and he was walking to his dressing room.

At that point the referee has said something and decided to send him off.

You can hear him calling the referee a liar, but without knowing what was said it's not possible to know what exactly caused the reaction. 

Was it OK? No.

Is there more to it than just a manager being upset after losing? Yes.

Whatever the ref said doesn't justify his actions. Kick him out the game.

[Snufflelufagus]

3 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

Apparently the ref was dishing out a bit of industrial language at players and management himself. Doesn’t excuse the reaction clearly BUT it’s not a clever thing to do if you want to avoid this type of incident. If you want to ref at a decent level management of players and officials is all part of it, like it or not. Sounds like the manager shook hands with the ref must have said something and got sent off when he was walking away from the ref.

The FA will no doubt get to the bottom of it taking everything into account not just our view of the video. He can expect a lengthy ban though.

I always found it quite odd that refs themselves didn't swear back at players. They get sworn at all the time in all leagues. Surely one or two of them might break and swear back at the manager/ players 

[Davefevs]

35 minutes ago, Snufflelufagus said:

I always found it quite odd that refs themselves didn't swear back at players. They get sworn at all the time in all leagues. Surely one or two of them might break and swear back at the manager/ players 

Best retort I heard from a ref was “don’t talk like a c#£& and play like one too”

[The Bard]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Best retort I heard from a ref was “don’t talk like a c#£& and play like one too”

 'you're supposed to be enjoying yourselves, stop ****ing moaning'.

 

 

[PHILINFRANCE]

36 minutes ago, Snufflelufagus said:

I always found it quite odd that refs themselves didn't swear back at players. They get sworn at all the time in all leagues. Surely one or two of them might break and swear back at the manager/ players 

There is one case I am aware of that happened many years ago and involved a local referee.

I forget the referee's name, but he later served for many years as President of one of the Bristol Sunday leagues, and once had the pleasure of refereeing a game involving Denis Law. 

I can't recall the actual incident, but he once had reason to book Mr Law, who apparently gave the referee some abuse.

In so many words, the referee responded to the effect that, if Mr Law didn't like his decision, he should '**** Off back to Scotland!'  

Needless to say, the referee was reprimanded.

 

[Davefevs]

 

[phantom]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

To save anyone clicking on that god awful website....also makes it clear what the incidents were leading up to his outburst

 

Bristol Manor Farm manager Lee Lashenko has apologised and admits he cannot defend his actions towards referee Richard Lawrence in their FA Trophy defeat to Paulton Rovers, but has no intention of resigning.

Lashenko confronted Lawrence at the conclusion of the second round qualifying tie at The Creek in Portway, incensed at having been yellow carded in the second half for dissent and was then promptly shown a red card after the final whistle.

In footage now widely shared across social media and viewed more than 120,000 times, Lashenko repeatedly has to be held back by his players as he angrily gestures and charges towards the official with a list of profanities.

Former Premier League referee Mark Halsey stated on Twitter: “What an absolute disgrace. Football does not need people like thus involved in the game, for the good of football I hope the FA take the strongest of action possible.”

Speaking to Bristol Live, Lashenko – who has been in charge of Manor Farm for eight seasons – accepts he was in the wrong but has also apportioned a degree of blame for the incident towards referee Lawrence.

“I will apologise for heated words – because that’s all it was – there weren’t any actions, there wasn’t anything physical and it wouldn’t ever get to that,” Lashenko said.

“I’m not proud of my 20-second rant but that’s what came out of me at the time and then I disappeared to the changing room.

“It was a provoked reaction and if I’d have gone in (and spoke to the referee) an hour after, instead of straight away, I would have done things differently.

“I’m not proud but it’s something I’ve got to live with and something I’ve got to overcome. I’ll look at my actions and the first person I criticise is myself and I’m going to learn from it and ensure my calmness after a game is a bit more long-term.

 

“Maybe I shouldn’t shake referee’s hands after a game and, win, lose or draw, I should go straight into the dressing room and see them for a pint in the bar instead. That’s something I’ve got to work on.”

The Manor Farm manager’s gripe appears to be with the original decision to book him for the dissent, with the referee apparently unable to identify where the abuse had originated from, and then the official’s reaction when he approached him at full-time.

“I was booked for a comment midway through the second-half from an area of the ground with a lot of people, all with similar accents, and when the referee booked me he admitted, ‘you’ll have to do, Lee,’" Lashenko added.

“I didn’t know that if there’s a comment made from the dugout or the area of the dugout, if they (referees) believe it’s been made from the dugout then as the manager, as the senior person, you have to carry the can.

“At the end of the game, I went onto the pitch, as I always do, to shake everybody’s hands and I told the referee in no uncertain terms that I’d lost a lot of respect for him, with regards to his performance and the yellow card.

“If he had come over to me when he issued the yellow card and explained, ‘I’ve identified it’s come from your area, I can’t identify who it was so I’m giving you a yellow card’, I would have accepted it because as a manager you take responsibility.

“But after the game I said to him I thought his performance was f****** terrible - I’m no Snow White, just like most people in football - and his response was, ‘I’ve got a red card in my pocket’.

“Now, at that point he should have said, ‘I don’t want to talk to you but you were booked because of a comment in your area and here’s a red card for swearing’, or whatever.

“But to say, ‘I’ve got a red card in my pocket’, I felt he was trying to be above everybody else and that provoked the reaction from me.”

Lashenko claims both he and his 15-year-old son have received abusive text messages since the incident, as well as the general condemnation across social media.

The 44-year-old has no intention of resigning though, as he retains the support of Manor Farm.

“People make more of situations than what they are. People have seen a 50-second video and drawn their own conclusions,” he said.

“I’m going to be receiving a lot of negative publicity, and rightfully so. I’m not here to defend my actions, I can’t, but they were provoked and football is an emotional game.

[shelts]

21 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

The referee was dreadful throughout

It happens just like players and managers. I like Lee and have never had any problems with him at any games . 

[Super]

What a complete moron. Should be fired without doubt.

[arrytheb]

So he's upset with the ref because he, Lee, doesn't know the rules of the game. Then at FT went and told the ref he has no respect for him (because he was rightly booked according to the rules of the game), swore at the ref, then got upset because the ref, rightly, basically threatened him with a red card rather than actually sending him off (initially). And now he's trying to justify it instead of holding his hands up and accepting full responsibility. Brilliant. 

[northsomersetred]

5 hours ago, The Bard said:

A fine?

 

If football is serious about protecting refs he'll get banned from any kind of involvement in football for about 10 years.

So bored hearing about the standard of refs when they have to deal with that.  

Well said

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, arrytheb said:

So he's upset with the ref because he, Lee, doesn't know the rules of the game. Then at FT went and told the ref he has no respect for him (because he was rightly booked according to the rules of the game), swore at the ref, then got upset because the ref, rightly, basically threatened him with a red card rather than actually sending him off (initially). And now he's trying to justify it instead of holding his hands up and accepting full responsibility. Brilliant. 

Firstly, it is years since I played football at any level, and I confess that the rules seem to have changed so much that I have no idea whether or not LL deserved his first yellow card.

He states that he was booked due to a comment that came from the dugout and suggests that, even though he didn’t make said comment, he was booked as he was the manager and, presumably, as the culprit couldn’t be identified, he was responsible (as manager) for the comment even though he didn’t make it.

You state that LL was booked in accordance with the rules of the game, but is my interpretation correct?

Thanks in advance for your response.

[lenred]

Hilarious some of the comments on this thread.  He had a rant. It’s definitely wrong but it’s not anything too dissimilar that we’ve seen from the likes of Warnock etc over the years.  LL has given years of service to Manor Farm and non league football in general. He’s admitted he’s made a big mistake and will rightly face punishment but calls for him to face 10 year or even life time bans are frankly truly ridiculous. 

Edited October 11, 2021 by lenred

[Numero Uno]

4 hours ago, Snufflelufagus said:

I always found it quite odd that refs themselves didn't swear back at players. They get sworn at all the time in all leagues. Surely one or two of them might break and swear back at the manager/ players 

I'm sure if you've got a bit of personality about you and swore back at the players in the "right way", if you get my meaning, most players would be alright with it.

4 hours ago, Snufflelufagus said:

I always found it quite odd that refs themselves didn't swear back at players. They get sworn at all the time in all leagues. Surely one or two of them might break and swear back at the manager/ players 

I'm sure if you've got a bit of personality about you and swore back at the players in the "right way", if you get my meaning, most players would be alright with it.

[Numero Uno]

1 hour ago, Super said:

What a complete moron. Should be fired without doubt.

That would certainly be the "football way"........ensure the Manager of Bristol Manor Farm gets the book thrown at him whilst loads of Managers in the Premier League and EFL get away with equally if not worse threatening behaviour this season. That should sort things out........

[054123]

20 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

That would certainly be the "football way"........ensure the Manager of Bristol Manor Farm gets the book thrown at him whilst loads of Managers in the Premier League and EFL get away with equally if not worse threatening behaviour this season. That should sort things out........

Absolutely!

The whole, ‘introduce draconian rules at grass roots level but let the superstars do and influence as they wish’ approach

Thats how you instigate change in an institution, bully the the lowest levels whilst the very top do as they wish

Edited October 11, 2021 by 054123

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Best retort I heard from a ref was “don’t talk like a c#£& and play like one too”

My favourite has to be Razor Ruddock on ref Roger Milford. Playing for Southampton against Arsenal he told Milford he was having a ****king nightmare and called him a ****. Milford, calling Ruddock over said Look at the Scoreboard. Your losing 3-1 so it's you who's having a ******* nightmare and playing like a ****. Now **** off. 

[arrytheb]

1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Firstly, it is years since I played football at any level, and I confess that the rules seem to have changed so much that I have no idea whether or not LL deserved his first yellow card.

He states that he was booked due to a comment that came from the dugout and suggests that, even though he didn’t make said comment, he was booked as he was the manager and, presumably, as the culprit couldn’t be identified, he was responsible (as manager) for the comment even though he didn’t make it.

You state that LL was booked in accordance with the rules of the game, but is my interpretation correct?

Thanks in advance for your response.

Yes mate, that's the rule now. 

[arrytheb]

1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said:

Just to add, there were supporters stood around the dugouts as well, so entire possible it wasn't made by one of the club staff

And that's a fair point and especially in NLGs where fans can be literally be stood next to a managers. It does appear from his statement that he's accepted it likely did come from the dugout. 

As someone who's been in management in Western league, I'd be making it clear that if I'm to get booked for someone saying something, I want that someone to be me and not someone sat on the bench behind me. (That's a lot of 'someone's')

[RedM]

2 hours ago, Super said:

What a complete moron. Should be fired without doubt.

Who, the Manager or the Ref? I’ve read the post @phantom provided and neither of them come out blameless, but neither warrants being sacked. Just my opinion though.

[Engvall’s Splinter]

11 minutes ago, arrytheb said:

And that's a fair point and especially in NLGs where fans can be literally be stood next to a managers. It does appear from his statement that he's accepted it likely did come from the dugout. 

As someone who's been in management in Western league, I'd be making it clear that if I'm to get booked for someone saying something, I want that someone to be me and not someone sat on the bench behind me. (That's a lot of 'someone's')

Who’d you manage?

[Portland Bill]

1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Firstly, it is years since I played football at any level, and I confess that the rules seem to have changed so much that I have no idea whether or not LL deserved his first yellow card.

He states that he was booked due to a comment that came from the dugout and suggests that, even though he didn’t make said comment, he was booked as he was the manager and, presumably, as the culprit couldn’t be identified, he was responsible (as manager) for the comment even though he didn’t make it.

You state that LL was booked in accordance with the rules of the game, but is my interpretation correct?

Thanks in advance for your response.

Yes, two years ago a new law came in, basically if there is abuse from the dugout that would constitute a yellow or red card, and no one owns up to it ( if the actual person wasn’t originally identified). Then the senior official in the dugout ( the manager) gets given the punishment. 
For him to actually say he didn’t know this, is either total horlicks, or, what other laws of the game does he not understand!. 
 

[2015]

Imagine thinking the guy should be sacked. Alex Ferguson would have been sacked about 50 times in his career if this is the case.. 

[PHILINFRANCE]

19 minutes ago, arrytheb said:

Yes mate, that's the rule now. 

 

3 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

Yes, two years ago a new law came in, basically if there is abuse from the dugout that would constitute a yellow or red card, and no one owns up to it ( if the actual person wasn’t originally identified). Then the senior official in the dugout ( the manager) gets given the punishment. 
For him to actually say he didn’t know this, is either total horlicks, or, what other laws of the game does he not understand!. 
 

Hmm.

Obviously, I have no idea what happened or what was said after the final whistle, but it would seem (unless the comment was from a supporter) the first yellow card was warranted.

I assume that if a supporter had made the comment there would have been no yellow card, and it seems that the referee had no idea who made it, hence his comment ‘You’ll have to do’.

Out of interest, what would have happened if the comment had been made by LL and a nearby supporter, aware of the likely penalty, came forward, apologised and told the referee that he was the culprit - given that, to a non-Bristolian, all accents sound the same?

[Portland Bill]

On 10/10/2021 at 20:29, JamesBCFC said:

The referee was dreadful throughout the game (note this is not to justify the behaviour, nor the defeat, Paulton were superb going forward and a particular mention to their 10 who not only gave Manor Farm's defence a torrid time, but also spent a good chunk of the game defending in his own penalty area. The better team on the day won without question). But the referees performance was to the point where one would think he had been club appointed, and even Paulton players were commenting on how bad he was after the game.

After Farm had a player sent of (a rare correct decision, though the original booking was the player reacting to an appalling decision, the second yellow was a nailed on one and a silly tackle to make when already booked) frustrations were rising on the Farm bench.

Lashenko (Farm manager) got booked, or spoken to by the ref late on (do managers get booked? Or just spoken to before getting sent off)

After the game they had the post match handshake just to the right of the goal this was filmed from, everything seemed OK at that point.

Then something clearly got said by either the referee or linesman, because Lashenko completely lost it and turned, going for the ref, calling him a liar amongst other things (you can hear this at 12-13 seconds in).

He was initially pulled away by some players and then tried to have a second go, which is the part that's been filmed.

You can also hear one of the people who went to the game say "he was walking away from you".

I fully understood why he was frustrated, but his behaviour there isn't acceptable at all and he will rightly get a fine, match ban or both.

 

So the question is, how many of the outfield players were really poor on the day, and would it be acceptable if the officials tried to attack them because of their poor performance!

What the BMF manager did is 100% unacceptable, regardless of whether anyone thought the referee didn’t have a good game. 
Referees are quitting in massive numbers, I was told that nearly 50% of Hampshire’s referees have quit over the last 2 years. In Somerset there is a big shortage of referees, especially at youth level. Young lads who referee youth games are quitting because of the abuse they get, mainly from parents. Grown men threatening teenage referees, it’s sheer madness. 

At the moment the semi pro leagues aren’t effected, but with no referees coming along behind the current ones, It could well be that these leagues will be short of officials in time. 
Who in there right mind wants to put up with this sort of behaviour and the general 90 minutes of abuse every week. 
No ref, no game. The game needs to wake up, because the way things are going it’s going to happen sooner than a lot of people think. 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Portland Bill

[arrytheb]

14 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Who’d you manage?

Would rather not say tbh. Have been assistant manager at two clubs and have had to manage at both due to the actual managers having disagreements with officials in previous games. 

[arrytheb]

2 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

 

Hmm.

Obviously, I have no idea what happened or what was said after the final whistle, but it would seem (unless the comment was from a supporter) the first yellow card was warranted.

I assume that if a supporter had made the comment there would have been no yellow card, and it seems that the referee had no idea who made it, hence his comment ‘You’ll have to do’.

Out of interest, what would have happened if the comment had been made by LL and a nearby supporter, aware of the likely penalty, came forward, apologised and told the referee that he was the culprit - given that, to a non-Bristolian, all accents sound the same?

I think it would come down to how confident the ref or assistant ref is that it came from the bench. But that is a potential issue

[RedHienz]

4 hours ago, Super said:

What a complete moron. Should be fired without doubt.

Be sure to hang then burn him after, that'll learn him!

In all seriousness some of these replies really are pathetic, oh no man shouts mean words! 

 

[phantom]

Out of interest has there been any official comment from BMF yet?

[Kid in the Riot]

18 hours ago, phantom said:

To save anyone clicking on that god awful website....also makes it clear what the incidents were leading up to his outburst

 

Bristol Manor Farm manager Lee Lashenko has apologised and admits he cannot defend his actions towards referee Richard Lawrence in their FA Trophy defeat to Paulton Rovers, but has no intention of resigning.

Lashenko confronted Lawrence at the conclusion of the second round qualifying tie at The Creek in Portway, incensed at having been yellow carded in the second half for dissent and was then promptly shown a red card after the final whistle.

In footage now widely shared across social media and viewed more than 120,000 times, Lashenko repeatedly has to be held back by his players as he angrily gestures and charges towards the official with a list of profanities.

Former Premier League referee Mark Halsey stated on Twitter: “What an absolute disgrace. Football does not need people like thus involved in the game, for the good of football I hope the FA take the strongest of action possible.”

Speaking to Bristol Live, Lashenko – who has been in charge of Manor Farm for eight seasons – accepts he was in the wrong but has also apportioned a degree of blame for the incident towards referee Lawrence.

“I will apologise for heated words – because that’s all it was – there weren’t any actions, there wasn’t anything physical and it wouldn’t ever get to that,” Lashenko said.

“I’m not proud of my 20-second rant but that’s what came out of me at the time and then I disappeared to the changing room.

“It was a provoked reaction and if I’d have gone in (and spoke to the referee) an hour after, instead of straight away, I would have done things differently.

“I’m not proud but it’s something I’ve got to live with and something I’ve got to overcome. I’ll look at my actions and the first person I criticise is myself and I’m going to learn from it and ensure my calmness after a game is a bit more long-term.

 

“Maybe I shouldn’t shake referee’s hands after a game and, win, lose or draw, I should go straight into the dressing room and see them for a pint in the bar instead. That’s something I’ve got to work on.”

The Manor Farm manager’s gripe appears to be with the original decision to book him for the dissent, with the referee apparently unable to identify where the abuse had originated from, and then the official’s reaction when he approached him at full-time.

“I was booked for a comment midway through the second-half from an area of the ground with a lot of people, all with similar accents, and when the referee booked me he admitted, ‘you’ll have to do, Lee,’" Lashenko added.

“I didn’t know that if there’s a comment made from the dugout or the area of the dugout, if they (referees) believe it’s been made from the dugout then as the manager, as the senior person, you have to carry the can.

“At the end of the game, I went onto the pitch, as I always do, to shake everybody’s hands and I told the referee in no uncertain terms that I’d lost a lot of respect for him, with regards to his performance and the yellow card.

“If he had come over to me when he issued the yellow card and explained, ‘I’ve identified it’s come from your area, I can’t identify who it was so I’m giving you a yellow card’, I would have accepted it because as a manager you take responsibility.

“But after the game I said to him I thought his performance was f****** terrible - I’m no Snow White, just like most people in football - and his response was, ‘I’ve got a red card in my pocket’.

“Now, at that point he should have said, ‘I don’t want to talk to you but you were booked because of a comment in your area and here’s a red card for swearing’, or whatever.

“But to say, ‘I’ve got a red card in my pocket’, I felt he was trying to be above everybody else and that provoked the reaction from me.”

Lashenko claims both he and his 15-year-old son have received abusive text messages since the incident, as well as the general condemnation across social media.

The 44-year-old has no intention of resigning though, as he retains the support of Manor Farm.

“People make more of situations than what they are. People have seen a 50-second video and drawn their own conclusions,” he said.

“I’m going to be receiving a lot of negative publicity, and rightfully so. I’m not here to defend my actions, I can’t, but they were provoked and football is an emotional game.

That's a pretty hopeless justification of his actions, so one would assume he's looking at some kind of ban and fine. 

[RedHienz]

20 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

That's a pretty hopeless justification of his actions, so one would assume he's looking at some kind of ban and fine. 

Not sure it's a justification, really just saying it like it is. Given its not new for managers and players to go off handle it could of been handled better all round, which he has made mention of. 

Fine for sure, ban dosnt really achieve much but having players and coaches attend or take part in awareness courses would be far more effective, thats ultimately the key.

[handsofclay]

15 hours ago, 2015 said:

Imagine thinking the guy should be sacked. Alex Ferguson would have been sacked about 50 times in his career if this is the case..

The FA did ban him from football activities about 50 times in his career. They're just waiting for him to pop his clogs and it's then safe for them to send official noticification of this.

[BUTOR]

He is a well off bloke and probably part bank-rolling the football club so I struggle to think anything will happen as a result. 

[phantom]

32 minutes ago, RedHienz said:

Not sure it's a justification, really just saying it like it is. Given its not new for managers and players to go off handle it could of been handled better all round, which he has made mention of. 

Fine for sure, ban dosnt really achieve much but having players and coaches attend or take part in awareness courses would be far more effective, thats ultimately the key.

What may go against him is this footage has been shared hundreds of thousands of times over various platforms, where is if it had been kept low key the FA may not have felt the same pressure to respond

I'm actually surprised one of the red tops hasn't ran it yet

[Portland Bill]

16 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

 

Hmm.

Obviously, I have no idea what happened or what was said after the final whistle, but it would seem (unless the comment was from a supporter) the first yellow card was warranted.

I assume that if a supporter had made the comment there would have been no yellow card, and it seems that the referee had no idea who made it, hence his comment ‘You’ll have to do’.

Out of interest, what would have happened if the comment had been made by LL and a nearby supporter, aware of the likely penalty, came forward, apologised and told the referee that he was the culprit - given that, to a non-Bristolian, all accents sound the same?

I think the “you’ll have to do” comment is a general one, usually there are 2-3 coaches and up to five subs in or around the dugout. So if none of the 7-8 owned up the manager gets the card.

[Shelton’s Love Gravy]

Him and the Ref should fight it out. Like Dogs!

Settle it once and for all.

[Northern Red]

30 minutes ago, lukebcfc1989 said:

I think its great, all media is good media.

They are playing Paulton again on Saturday you will now have all of the inbreds from that area heading up there to have a go, I will be going for the show. 

Manor Farm may get a sell out

Clown.

[A Horse With No Name]

59 minutes ago, lukebcfc1989 said:

I think its great, all media is good media.

They are playing Paulton again on Saturday you will now have all of the inbreds from that area heading up there to have a go, I will be going for the show. 

Manor Farm may get a sell out

So Paulton fans going for the show are inbreds, yet you yourself are going for the show?

[Posset red]

8 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

So Paulton fans going for the show are inbreds, yet you yourself are going for the show?

Are you implying he’s an inbred too ? 

[Paulton Red]

[northsomersetred]

BMF need to grow some, shocking he's going to get away with it

 

[Redtucks]

Would be interesting to hear the referee's views of the incidents.

But as always, they never feel the need to make a comment!

 

[phantom]

It is a tricky one

Of course a reaction is throw the book at him, but was it actually any worse than just giving the ref verbals?

Is it worse than the abuse that Warnock gives? or like Fergie gave in the past?

He was unlucky that the moment was recorded and circulated hundreds of thousands of times on social media

To me, he should have made a public apology to the ref etc (lets be honest he doesn't have to actually mean it) and left it at that

I'm still not really sure what the other guy near the end of the video was doing, if he was just a committee member and not a member of the backroom staff he may actually end up in bigger trouble for going onto the pitch etc

Anyway, City are back this weekend so we all worry about BS3 from now on

[northsomersetred]

On 14/10/2021 at 20:28, JamesBCFC said:

Arguably they are having balls by not sacking him with all the backlash they are getting.

You just don't see it that way because it's not the outcome you want.

 

As for bankrolling the club, others probably know more than myself, but speaking to a few other fans in the clubhouse (ones who would have an idea) after the game one of them said Lee had negotiated a larger budget for the season, which suggests it isn't his money, or at least not fully, so the allegation is just that.

The outcome I and a lot of other people is for this behaviour to stop, it is totally unacceptable and the clubs themselves need to set an example.

BMF bottled it because he bankrolls the club.

And the latest? A 17yr old female ref confronted at half time by 3 adult coaching staff. Big brave lads these.

This behaviour has to stop. The End.

 

[Posset red]

2 hours ago, northsomersetred said:

The outcome I and a lot of other people is for this behaviour to stop, it is totally unacceptable and the clubs themselves need to set an example.

BMF bottled it because he bankrolls the club.

And the latest? A 17yr old female ref confronted at half time by 3 adult coaching staff. Big brave lads these.

This behaviour has to stop. The End.

 

I can’t believe the world we live in. I doubt I’ll be able to sleep tonight 

[Port Said Red]

2 hours ago, northsomersetred said:

The outcome I and a lot of other people is for this behaviour to stop, it is totally unacceptable and the clubs themselves need to set an example.

BMF bottled it because he bankrolls the club.

And the latest? A 17yr old female ref confronted at half time by 3 adult coaching staff. Big brave lads these.

This behaviour has to stop. The End.

 

Am I missing something here? That looks like 3 guys wandering over to the referee asking how they saw a particular incident. The referee seems to give her explanation and they wander off again. 

I fail to see a "confrontation" in that video, that looked like it was really well handled on both sides.

[frenchred]

2 hours ago, northsomersetred said:

The outcome I and a lot of other people is for this behaviour to stop, it is totally unacceptable and the clubs themselves need to set an example.

BMF bottled it because he bankrolls the club.

And the latest? A 17yr old female ref confronted at half time by 3 adult coaching staff. Big brave lads these.

This behaviour has to stop. The End.

 

Really? Don't see any confrontation! Are refs really that aloof that you are not allowed to talk to them?

[Shelton’s Love Gravy]

I fear there may be violence at today’s match. Lashenko might even EAT SOMEONE

[Posset red]

Has it kicked off yet ? Any sign of the csf ?