Let’s not overreact

[Robbored]

B’muff we’re outstanding all over the pitch and City barely laid a glove of them. They were quicker, slicker and sharper both in and out of possession and their full backs were causing havoc down both flanks. The gulf is class was there for all to see and City will have to get as good on a consistent basis to threaten the pray-offs over the remaining games this season and the next two full seasons.

It was remarkable that B’muff didn’t score 4 or 5 today especially when City were 10 after King went off injured.

Nige has his work cut out to lift the guys ready for another tough Championship fixture against Forest on Tuesday eve when hopefully City can finally get a win at AG before yet another tough test at the Baggies next Saturday.

Onwards and upwards guys!

[JoeAman08]

Don’t overreact? You said yourself could have been 4 or 5. This is at home mind you. That level of performance is unacceptable against any side in our division. They started 4 players with less than 20 championship games under their belt. Yes they are better. Yes not many expected points but we were embarrassed. We have played better against better championship sides in recent seasons. 
 

There is no overreaction. We were poor all over the park and the disappointment is that includes desire and toughness. This sets the bar for worst performance imo and if we have a few more like it, I’d start to worry. That said, I expect much better on Tuesday and anticipate it’ll be better. Just need to store this under can’t happen again.

[Gazred]

We were poor though. That's what grates.

Hopefully Massengo and Atkinson will be back.

Quite looking forward to WBA away, not so much Forest at home for obvious reasons.

[johnheadbcfc]

Lost majority of the aerial battles,sloppy in possession and struggled to get the ball out of our own half. Seem like a different team away from home.

[Robbored]

8 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Don’t overreact? You said yourself could have been 4 or 5. This is at home mind you. That level of performance is unacceptable against any side in our division. They started 4 players with less than 20 championship games under their belt. Yes they are better. Yes not many expected points but we were embarrassed. We have played better against better championship sides in recent seasons. 
 

There is no overreaction. We were poor all over the park and the disappointment is that includes desire and toughness. This sets the bar for worst performance imo and if we have a few more like it, I’d start to worry. That said, I expect much better on Tuesday and anticipate it’ll be better. Just need to store this under can’t happen again.

B’muff made City look poor. We have to give them credit for that- remember they were in the PL recently and are still full of top players. City won’t be playing teams of their quality every week and I’m sure we’ll see a different performance against Forest on Tuesday.

Also acknowledge that Williams went off injured and then King going off leaving City with 10 men and that’s not to happen every week. Also Atkinson and Massengo were missing as well. Two influential players.

 

Edited October 16, 2021 by Robbored

[JoeAman08]

6 minutes ago, Robbored said:

B’muff made City look poor. We have to give them credit for that- remember they were in the PL recently and are still full of top players. City won’t be playing teams of their quality every week and I’m sure we’ll see a different performance against Forest on Tuesday.

Also acknowledge that Williams went off injured and then King going off leaving City with 10 men and that’s not to happen every week. Also Atkinson and Massengo were missing as well. Two influential players.

 

I can give them credit. They are a better side. That doesn’t mean it is ok to allow the amount of chances we did today. Doesn’t mean it is ok to not put in a tackle. Doesn’t mean it is ok to just sit in a shape and let them do what they like. Better team? Yes but so were QPR and Fulham but we made life difficult for them. Today we made Bournemouth look like Man City or Liverpool. 

[Fodbarmyarmy]

The muff were good but any other team could have beaten us today...

[Robbored]

6 minutes ago, Fodbarmyarmy said:

The muff were good but any other team could have beaten us today...

I don’t agree with that at all.

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, Fodbarmyarmy said:

The muff were good but any other team could have beaten us today...

Tend to agree.  Bournemouth we’re good, but we were bad, not just because they were good.  We would’ve struggled against anyone today.

[swanker]

Not too depressed, we’ll  get there eventually. 

[Calculus]

Yes, Bournemouth were much better, but still they only managed 2 goals from all that possession and conceded 3 or 4 very presentable chances. What I find depressing is the thought that we are years away from getting to even their level (and if we keep losing our best players we never will).

[Supersonic Robin]

I'm not at all surprised about us losing today.

But, as others have indicated, there's a difference between losing a competitive game with a battling performance, and getting absolutely battered by a team in the same division as you.

Unfortunately, today wasn't competitive or especially respectable for us.

No need to panic IMO, but I do appreciate why some fans are feeling disgruntled with today's performance. 

[Red Exile]

1 minute ago, Calculus said:

Yes, Bournemouth were much better, but still they only managed 2 goals from all that possession and conceded 3 or 4 very presentable chances. What I find depressing is the thought that we are years away from getting to even their level (and if we keep losing our best players we never will).

My thoughts exactly. The finances of football are so rigged in favour of sides that have played in the Prem its a borderline closed shop...Brentford are a massive exception and we are unlikely to follow their example.

That said some of the comments on this forum are laughable today. We wasted all the opportunities of recent years by persisting with a duff manager. Having finally appointed someone who actually knows what's needed we are clearly - as anyone following the club knows - in a period of rebuilding - small squad, no width, little pace. No investment in the squad. We are nowhere near a top 6 side - mid-table would be good. Adjustment of expectations needed for many methinks.

 

[harvey54]

So,  a premier squad made us look average.  We're a work in progress.  Calm down 

[intercity]

2 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

So,  a premier squad made us look average.  We're a work in progress.  Calm down 

Whilst I understand the sentiment, there was nothing as good as 'average' on show from city today.

[Redtucks]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

B’muff we’re outstanding all over the pitch.

It was remarkable that B’muff didn’t score 4 or 5 today especially when City were 10 after King went off injured.

 

The fact that they couldn't score more than two, with **** knows how many chances, proves that they were not outstanding in the goal scoring department!!!

 

[BasSavage88]

7 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

So,  a premier squad made us look average.  We're a work in progress.  Calm down 

They didn't make us look average we made ourselves look shite. 

 

Couldn't string 2 passes together 

[Robbored]

Spot on as usual.

[Robbored]

11 minutes ago, Redtucks said:

The fact that they couldn't score more than two, with **** knows how many chances, proves that they were not outstanding in the goal scoring department!!!

That was largely down to Baker, Kalas and Bentley.

[GTFABM]

6 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Spot on as usual.

Anyone can come out after a game and say where things went wrong. He is paid the big bucks to sort it out whilst the games are going on. Bournmouth would have beat most teams in this league playing like they did today, sadly we lose to every team in this league playing how we did.

[ScottishRed]

7 minutes ago, GTFABM said:

Anyone can come out after a game and say where things went wrong. He is paid the big bucks to sort it out whilst the games are going on. Bournmouth would have beat most teams in this league playing like they did today, sadly we lose to every team in this league playing how we did.

Have I missed something? I assume you mean we WOULD lose to every team playing like that -  which is of course, utter nonsense.

[GTFABM]

Yeah ok would lose. All hypothetical but who do you think we beat playing like that?

[weepywall]

31 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

So,  a premier squad made us look average.  We're a work in progress.  Calm down 

We were nowhere near average....very very poor today.

[Numero Uno]

44 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I'm not at all surprised about us losing today.

But, as others have indicated, there's a difference between losing a competitive game with a battling performance, and getting absolutely battered by a team in the same division as you.

Unfortunately, today wasn't competitive or especially respectable for us.

No need to panic IMO, but I do appreciate why some fans are feeling disgruntled with today's performance. 

That's the key for me. There are a minority who have totally lost their shit about today but most of us accept we've "competed" in every single game this season however well or badly we have played BUT today we didn't reach that level and for people who work bloody hard all week and look forward to the football on a Saturday that won't do. I would go as far to say that if we don't sort this home form out to at least some noticeable degree of improvement in the next three months the club are going to get a right kicking when season ticket renewal comes round. 

Edited October 16, 2021 by Numero Uno

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, Fodbarmyarmy said:

The muff were good but any other team could have beaten us today...

No - any other Championship team would not necessarily have beaten City today because B’muff were exceptional and probably the best team I’ve seen in quite a while at AG. Fulham were very decent but the Cherries were better mo.

Edited October 16, 2021 by Robbored

[exAtyeoMax]

It was like watching England v Andorra. 

[Kid in the Riot]

Speaking to some Bournemouth fans I know from England games and they say that was their best performance of the season. 

They still have players on well in excess of £50k pw, more than double what any of our players are on. 

The Championship is a fairly level playing field, IF you discount Bournemouth, WBA and Fulham.

A proper Nige team would've stuck it into them more I reckon, but the fact is, save for 2 or 3 players, this isn't his squad. 

He's doing a good job so far and long may it continue.  

[ralphindevon]

It’s going to be one of those seasons, with a smaller squad it only takes a couple injuries in the same position, HNM & Williams for instance and we’ll struggle big time.

But if we finally get some luck on that side we can easily hold are own. Today against a very good side we certainly didn’t need bad luck with us. 

[Numero Uno]

8 minutes ago, Robbored said:

No - any other Championship team would not necessarily have beaten City today because B’muff were exceptional and probably the best team I’ve seen in quite a while at AG. Fulham were very decent but the Cherries were better mo.

Can't argue with that but if there is such a thing as a "way" of getting beaten by a better side, which obviously Bournemouth are, today wasn't it.

[David Brent]

It’s Bournemouth. Not B’muff.

[Lack of Action Man]

Meh. We gave them far too much respect. Nobody tried to physically challenge their opposite number/marker. They’re good, but we made them look world class.

Another frustrating home performance.

[David Brent]

They were no better than Fulham. As much as I rate Nigel, I felt his tactics were off today. Williams injury beyond his control but subsequent changes didn’t help us.

[Clevedon Red]

Should we overreact if we lose again Tuesday?

Edited October 16, 2021 by Clevedon Red

[Tin Soldier]

Out thought, out classed, out played - have said it before, but we just need to stay up this season. Teams like Bournemouth are way above this City eleven. 

[Clevedon Red]

8 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said:

Teams like Bournemouth are way above this City eleven. 

Who would have thought we’d be saying that 10 years ago.

Edited October 16, 2021 by Clevedon Red

[Kid in the Riot]

9 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said:

Out thought, out classed, out played - have said it before, but we just need to stay up this season. Teams like Bournemouth are way above this City eleven. 

We'll comfortably stay up.

Bournemouth are way above us though. They should win the league. 

Nige is well-known for liking pace in his teams. He has pretty much none to work with in this current team. I'm excited to see what a Pearson team looks like in 12-18 months. Very different to the current one I bet. 

[IAmNick]

Thought this was the first game this season we were totally outclassed, and given we're 12 games in that's better than I was expecting.

That said though, I'm struggling with where we were on the scale between being outclassed because they were so much better, and outclassed because we were awful.

A team playing very well can make you look awful, and clearly we had a pretty awful start with still no Massengo, Atkinson out, and Williams off after 10m...  but I was still disappointed that it didn't feel we were at least battling all over the pitch - even if we were losing all those battles. I could accept that, but feel like apart from a few (like Kalas) we didn't even get that far.

I'd rather we fought and lost the fight, than didn't fight at all. I was just desperate for us to let them have the ball then get properly stuck in to them once they got forward rather than randomly attempt some poorly executed "press" high up the pitch. They were good enough they just passed around it and made us look a bit foolish, and I thought the whole attempt was rather pointless against a team that good.

Oh well. 12 games in and we're 11th. Better than I was expecting and I can accept one very poor performance... not seeing a win at home is really starting to get to me though I have to say!

[AppyDAZE]

23 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said:

Should we overreact if we lose again Tuesday?

No.

[Clevedon Red]

4 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

No.

Watch this space.

[GTFABM]

4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

We'll comfortably stay up.

Bournemouth are way above us though. They should win the league. 

Nige is well-known for liking pace in his teams. He has pretty much none to work with in this current team. I'm excited to see what a Pearson team looks like in 12-18 months. Very different to the current one I bet. 

Not sure he makes it that far. Either from his point of view with this squad and lack of options to sign better more suited players, or from higher up losing patience.

[Offside]

31 minutes ago, OddBallJim said:

Meh. We gave them far too much respect. Nobody tried to physically challenge their opposite number/marker. They’re good, but we made them look world class.

Another frustrating home performance.

Completely agree. Yes Bournemouth are a good side, but I thought they were no better than Fulham. And against Fulham we gave it a real go (in a game we should have lost given the chances they missed near the end). 

We made it very easy for Bournemouth today. Often because we made poor decisions. For example, in the first half when we tried to play it out, Baker passed to Kalas, who went right and passed to Tanner, who was on the touchline and already being pressed and we lost the ball. So predictable. One of many examples of us passing into trouble. And very frustrating because Baker was in loads of space and Kalas switching it back to him would have been the much better option. I’m not singling those players out, Kalas especially was one of our better performers today, but it was just an example of how we are so predictable and one dimensional. The Bournemouth players knew exactly what we were going to do because we telegraphed it and, hey, presto, we gave away the ball. 

[Andy082005]

1 hour ago, harvey54 said:

So,  a premier squad made us look average.  We're a work in progress.  Calm down 

Genuine question here….aside from stopping the rot of the second half of last season, where’s the progress? 
 

We still have no pace in the team and look absolutely dreadful going forward. Centre midfield continues to be an issue….it has been for god knows how many years now. We still play the same lethargic, dull, un-inspiring football that we have been playing the last 3 years

Pearson has had 10 months and a pre-season….and we still haven’t mustered a home win. Away from home has looked ok but let’s not forget our away form has been good the last 2 or 3 years . It’s our home form that has always let us down and continues to do so. I don’t see any sign of it improving any time soon 

I really like Pearson and has always said he should be the right man to take us forward, but let’s be honest….his first 10 months in charge has not been good enough. He has to do better as do the players when they get picked 

We had a number of experienced players out there today and their performance as individuals and as a team was pathetic and no where near good enough 
 

 

 

[BCFCGav]

We lost 2-0 to the team at the summit of the league and are 11th. I’ll sleep absolutely fine tonight. Tuesday we’ll look more like ourselves. 

[Andy082005]

1 minute ago, BCFCGav said:

We lost 2-0 to the team at the summit of the league and are 11th. I’ll sleep absolutely fine tonight. Tuesday we’ll look more like ourselves. 

Don’t say that. We want a home win 

[glynriley]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Tend to agree.  Bournemouth we’re good, but we were bad, not just because they were good.  We would’ve struggled against anyone today.

It happens unfortunately.  Every team has an off day. When it happens against a decent side it looks worse. A poor performance coupled with injuries in game is a recipe for disaster. I think we have a management team that will take that in their stride though, rather than tearing things up and starting again. 

[JBFC II]

Was my first game since pre lockdown today, so I'm not in the best position to comment on how things have been thus far this season. 

However, today was no different to anything I saw under LJ. Yes, Bournemouth were excellent and of course they are financially in a different league to us. But I would have liked to have seen some fight or passion today, none of that was on show however. 

Looking at results and reading stuff on here there are obviously improvements, however that's 16 home matches without a win, that's abysmal and if LJ had gone through a run like that this place would be rioting. 

We can't take much from a game v a side like Bournemouth, however the main positive today was that they took their foot off the accelerator which stopped it from being 3 or 4. The minimum that a team should give is effort, and that wasn't there today. This sounds like a one off, but it's still very disappointing. 

[Andy082005]

50 minutes ago, GTFABM said:

Not sure he makes it that far. Either from his point of view with this squad and lack of options to sign better more suited players, or from higher up losing patience.

Did you not see how long ‘higher up’ stuck by the previous two managers?

[Super]

Like others have said it's the way you lose. We were pathetic and gutless. 

[Red Exile]

12 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Was my first game since pre lockdown today, so I'm not in the best position to comment on how things have been thus far this season. 

However, today was no different to anything I saw under LJ. Yes, Bournemouth were excellent and of course they are financially in a different league to us. But I would have liked to have seen some fight or passion today, none of that was on show however. 

Looking at results and reading stuff on here there are obviously improvements, however that's 16 home matches without a win, that's abysmal and if LJ had gone through a run like that this place would be rioting. 

We can't take much from a game v a side like Bournemouth, however the main positive today was that they took their foot off the accelerator which stopped it from being 3 or 4. The minimum that a team should give is effort, and that wasn't there today. This sounds like a one off, but it's still very disappointing. 

Disappointing today, up against an excellent side. Regarding fight & passion this season - plenty of that on display at Peterborough or QPR to be fair. Pearson can only work with what he's got. Contrast the resources lavished on LJ with the thin gruel Pearson has to work with and it's obvious that this is going to be long haul.

As for Lee Johnson. Wasn't like him to go on a losing streak was it?

Let's not forget that whatever our record at the Gate the results this season are W4 D4 L4 - not lost 8 on the spin, or 7 out of 10.

 

 

[Dredd]

Yea Bournemouth are a superior team but the only way you beat a team like that is by working hard, implementing tactics to nullify them and showing some fight/passion. All of that was lacking today and that was the thing that p1ssed a lot of people off. It isn’t cheap watching City, and the minimum expectation should be effort from those on the pitch. We were extremely lucky to not be on the end of an absolute pasting today. 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

3 hours ago, Calculus said:

Yes, Bournemouth were much better, but still they only managed 2 goals from all that possession and conceded 3 or 4 very presentable chances. What I find depressing is the thought that we are years away from getting to even their level (and if we keep losing our best players we never will).

Yrs total agreement. We have to keep our best players and young academy stars  long term to give the basis to bring in players in making us a promotion side. But I still feel Mr Lansdown does not want to fund it that way. And I do feel we do need more finiscial.backing than just Lansdown if we are going to teach the promised land. 

[pillred]

4 hours ago, Robbored said:

B’muff we’re outstanding all over the pitch and City barely laid a glove of them. They were quicker, slicker and sharper both in and out of possession and their full backs were causing havoc down both flanks. The gulf is class was there for all to see and City will have to get as good on a consistent basis to threaten the pray-offs over the remaining games this season and the next two full seasons.

It was remarkable that B’muff didn’t score 4 or 5 today especially when City were 10 after King went off injured.

Nige has his work cut out to lift the guys ready for another tough Championship fixture against Forest on Tuesday eve when hopefully City can finally get a win at AG before yet another tough test at the Baggies next Saturday.

Onwards and upwards guys!

Robbo pray offs really? yes we know anything can happen, why do you persist in this annoying habit of describing them as such, are you being deliberately annoying? 

Edited October 16, 2021 by pillred
punctuation

[Robbored]

Just now, pillred said:

Robbo pray offs really? yes we know any thing can happen, why do you persist in this annoying habit of describing them as such, are you being deliberately annoying? 

The fans of the four clubs that qualify for the play offs all pray that their team wins them - hence the ‘pray’ offs.

[Supersonic Robin]

2 hours ago, Clevedon Red said:

Who would have thought we’d be saying that 10 years ago.

A similar thought occured to me whilst watching today - crazy that I'm sat here saying "We can't really expect to be beating a team like Bournemouth". 

Depressing in the grand scheme of things isn't it.......

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, David Brent said:

They were no better than Fulham. As much as I rate Nigel, I felt his tactics were off today. Williams injury beyond his control but subsequent changes didn’t help us.

Not sure tactics were off….execution and commitment definitely were.

we played 442, 352, 3412, 343, 451 at various spells today, and neither of them stopped Bournemouth.  They carved us open at will second half, although we had a 1 minute spell

[Robbored]

23 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Not sure tactics were off….execution and commitment definitely were.

we played 442, 352, 3412, 343, 451 at various spells today, and neither of them stopped Bournemouth.  They carved us open at will second half, although we had a 1 minute spell

I’m not so sure that commitment was missing from the City players, execution was maybe but that was largely down to the opposition who, as we know were excellent. They stifled City when out of possession, blocked our passing options and were generally better than us all over the pitch. Nige said post match that we were beaten by a better side.

Cahill and Kelly had very little to do whilst Billing(?) bossed the midfield. Their full backs exposed both flanks with ease and that might be why CoD was replaced at half time and why City were better second 45.

All that said - Atkinson and Massengo were both missing and firstly the unlucky Williams get injured again followed not long after by King going off leaving City with 10 men for the last 15mins or so.

So…….taking all that into consideration might help lessen the blow of a home defeat.

Edited October 16, 2021 by Robbored

[Kid in the Riot]

2 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

Genuine question here….aside from stopping the rot of the second half of last season, where’s the progress? 
 

We still have no pace in the team and look absolutely dreadful going forward. Centre midfield continues to be an issue….it has been for god knows how many years now. We still play the same lethargic, dull, un-inspiring football that we have been playing the last 3 years

Pearson has had 10 months and a pre-season….and we still haven’t mustered a home win. Away from home has looked ok but let’s not forget our away form has been good the last 2 or 3 years . It’s our home form that has always let us down and continues to do so. I don’t see any sign of it improving any time soon 

I really like Pearson and has always said he should be the right man to take us forward, but let’s be honest….his first 10 months in charge has not been good enough. He has to do better as do the players when they get picked 

We had a number of experienced players out there today and their performance as individuals and as a team was pathetic and no where near good enough 

Lack of a home win is incredibly frustrating but Pearson has had to cut the wage budget since last seasons shambles and only been able to bring in four players.

We were basically the worst team in the league for the second half of last season and now we're 11th with quarter of the season gone. Clear, steady, progress. 

[JBFC II]

1 hour ago, Red Exile said:

Disappointing today, up against an excellent side. Regarding fight & passion this season - plenty of that on display at Peterborough or QPR to be fair. Pearson can only work with what he's got. Contrast the resources lavished on LJ with the thin gruel Pearson has to work with and it's obvious that this is going to be long haul.

As for Lee Johnson. Wasn't like him to go on a losing streak was it?

Let's not forget that whatever our record at the Gate the results this season are W4 D4 L4 - not lost 8 on the spin, or 7 out of 10.

 

 

Yep, Pearson can only work with what he’s got, however you expect us to at least try and make things difficult for the opposition, no matter how good they are. At the end of the day, we’re both in the same league, so it was disappointing that we gave them so much respect today and let them play through us. No matter how small your budget is, any manager should be able to make their players play like they want it, we certainly didn’t look like we wanted it today.

I’m not comparing Johnson with Pearson, there’s little point in doing that. However, today was hardly a massive step up to what we’ve seen in the past few years. Other performances may well have been better, but today was dire, to put it lightly. 
 

I don’t think we can just ignore the home form either, despite the good away results. The season as a whole has been fine, but 16 home matches without a win is terrible. Hopefully that’ll change soon, but we can’t just brush it under the carpet

[weepywall]

3 hours ago, David Brent said:

It’s Bournemouth. Not B’muff.

Wasn't there someone on here that called them Bomo ?

[Merrick's Marvels]

3 hours ago, GTFABM said:

Not sure he makes it that far. Either from his point of view with this squad and lack of options to sign better more suited players, or from higher up losing patience.

So Lee Johnson got 5 years but Nigel Pearson will get just a couple before he gets the boot? 

Our owner has his moments but that would take the biscuit. 

 

[Merrick's Marvels]

1 hour ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Yrs total agreement. We have to keep our best players and young academy stars  long term to give the basis to bring in players in making us a promotion side. But I still feel Mr Lansdown does not want to fund it that way. And I do feel we do need more finiscial.backing than just Lansdown if we are going to teach the promised land. 

It doesn't make any difference how many financial backers we have.

FFP will still only allow us to spend a set amount, whoever's paying the bills.

I agree about finding a way to keep our best players for longer though. 

[REDOXO]

We were terrible. This utter **** about Premier League team etc is galling. They were better but you have to find a way to stop them even if it looks a bit ugly. We couldn’t get anywhere near the ball to even spoil their rhythm. 
 

Williams got injured and it was as if the entire team and a good deal of others used that as an excuse to be awful and accept an Utterly pathetic display. 
 

Pearson said when he came here the perception of this club for him as a player and manager was we are soft.
 

To At least have the mentality to compete when the going is difficult continues to make us look soft, which is what we are.
 

41 years without a game in the top division is hard enough to take, but utter embarrassment is too much. 

[firstdivision]

12 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

Don’t overreact? You said yourself could have been 4 or 5. This is at home mind you. That level of performance is unacceptable against any side in our division. They started 4 players with less than 20 championship games under their belt. Yes they are better. Yes not many expected points but we were embarrassed. We have played better against better championship sides in recent seasons. 
 

There is no overreaction. We were poor all over the park and the disappointment is that includes desire and toughness. This sets the bar for worst performance imo and if we have a few more like it, I’d start to worry. That said, I expect much better on Tuesday and anticipate it’ll be better. Just need to store this under can’t happen again.

Well said. 
Our performance was largely awful. Peterborough drew 0-0 with Bournemouth because they had a game plan. I didn’t see one from us.

I thought NP had a poor day as well. With Williams off injured, the subbing of O’Dowda at half-time was totally unnecessary and risky, especially with Pring (barely lasts a game) still on the park plus a couple of old lags. Three subs instead of five makes a difference.
But I also didn’t see a game plan. We just let them have a day out in the sunshine. Utter dross.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

7 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

So Lee Johnson got 5 years but Nigel Pearson will get just a couple before he gets the boot? 

Our owner has his moments but that would take the biscuit. 

 

To be fair, Lee Johnson had four years, and for the first two seasons we progressed (11th in 2016/17; 8th in 2017/18).  I doubt anyone would deny that 2017/18 was a very entertaining and satisfying season, albeit with a disappointing end when we failed to make the playoffs.  You may have forgotten that Johnson was being talked about as one of the best young coaches in Europe.  There were certainly signs that we were getting better and professing, but we started going backwards in 2018/19 after selling our best players.

Pearson’s inability to win a home match, and his failure to take any responsibility for poor team selection and baffling substitutes would have done for many managers.  I suspect that the patience of even the diehards may be beginning to wear thin.  What we saw yesterday, after eight months of Pearson, cannot be regarded as progress in any form.  The truth is that in very few matches, even the ones we win, are we playing well.  Yes, we seem to be more resilient than in the recent past, but the flaws were there to be seen yesterday, in graphic detail.  I want him to succeed but has a manager ever gone this long from the start of a managerial appointment without winning a home game, and I don’t mean just at City?

I’m not saying sack him (though my son is) but there has to be some improvement because performances yesterday (including the performance of the manager) are simply unacceptable.

[Davefevs]

9 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’m not so sure that commitment was missing from the City players, execution was maybe but that was largely down to the opposition who, as we know were excellent. They stifled City when out of possession, blocked our passing options and were generally better than us all over the pitch. Nige said post match that we were beaten by a better side.

Cahill and Kelly had very little to do whilst Billing(?) bossed the midfield. Their full backs exposed both flanks with ease and that might be why CoD was replaced at half time and why City were better second 45.

All that said - Atkinson and Massengo were both missing and firstly the unlucky Williams get injured again followed not long after by King going off leaving City with 10 men for the last 15mins or so.

So…….taking all that into consideration might help lessen the blow of a home defeat.

Commitment is missing when you fail to lay a finger on the opposition. Only takes a few players and the system breaks down. Yesterday was the day for a “George Tanner tackle” to get players going like against Fulham. We never got close to Billing or Kilkenny, Stacey and Lowe had easy afternoons. 

8 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

It doesn't make any difference how many financial backers we have.

FFP will still only allow us to spend a set amount, whoever's paying the bills.

I agree about finding a way to keep our best players for longer though. 

Exactly. The number of people who proclaim ignorance of FFP still, astounds me. 

[Tin Soldier]

9 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Lack of a home win is incredibly frustrating but Pearson has had to cut the wage budget since last seasons shambles and only been able to bring in four players.

We were basically the worst team in the league for the second half of last season and now we're 11th with quarter of the season gone. Clear, steady, progress. 

Agreed.
And here is the crux of the problem. The shambles of last season will haunt us all for a season or two until the mess is sorted out by Nige.
Forget Bournemouth they are light years ahead of us. Barnsley are more our level.

Edited October 17, 2021 by GasDestroyer

[Robbored]

43 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Commitment is missing when you fail to lay a finger on the opposition. Only takes a few players and the system breaks down. Yesterday was the day for a “George Tanner tackle” to get players going like against Fulham. We never got close to Billing or Kilkenny, Stacey and Lowe had easy afternoons. 

 

Not necessarily. It was down to B’muff being so good. The only City player that obviously lacked 100% commitment was CoD and he was replaced at halftime and possibly who Nige was referring to about ‘not taking their chance’  post match. I’ll be surprised if he’s involved on Tuesday against Forest.

The three defenders, Tanner, Kalas and Baker and keeper Bentley were largely responsible for keeping the score at at two. Dasliva was fully committed when he came on.

 

[pillred]

2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

To be fair, Lee Johnson had four years, and for the first two seasons we progressed (11th in 2016/17; 8th in 2017/18).  I doubt anyone would deny that 2017/18 was a very entertaining and satisfying season, albeit with a disappointing end when we failed to make the playoffs.  You may have forgotten that Johnson was being talked about as one of the best young coaches in Europe.  There were certainly signs that we were getting better and professing, but we started going backwards in 2018/19 after selling our best players.

Pearson’s inability to win a home match, and his failure to take any responsibility for poor team selection and baffling substitutes would have done for many managers.  I suspect that the patience of even the diehards may be beginning to wear thin.  What we saw yesterday, after eight months of Pearson, cannot be regarded as progress in any form.  The truth is that in very few matches, even the ones we win, are we playing well.  Yes, we seem to be more resilient than in the recent past, but the flaws were there to be seen yesterday, in graphic detail.  I want him to succeed but has a manager ever gone this long from the start of a managerial appointment without winning a home game, and I don’t mean just at City?

I’m not saying sack him (though my son is) but there has to be some improvement because performances yesterday (including the performance of the manager) are simply unacceptable.

Spot on, any other manager for any team that had not won at home for over 9 months would surely have been shown the door, the excuses being made for Pearson can surely only go on for so long.

[IAmNick]

9 minutes ago, pillred said:

Spot on, any other manager for any team that had not won at home for over 9 months would surely have been shown the door, the excuses being made for Pearson can surely only go on for so long.

If there was a widely accepted risk of relegation and he currently had them in 11th I'd strongly disagree, crap home form or not.

At the start of the year most were talking about survival, building, and finishing 20th if we have to. Now we're pretty happily mid table and people are calling for him to get the sack.

Absolutely madness.

[pillred]

2 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

If there was a widely accepted risk of relegation and he currently had them in 11th I'd strongly disagree, crap home form or not.

At the start of the year most were talking about survival, building, and finishing 20th if we have to. Now we're pretty happily mid table and people are calling for him to get the sack.

Absolutely madness.

I merely stated that the excuses for our poor performances and home form can only go on for so long, when would you admit it was not acceptable? everybody has a different tolerance level mine is maybe a bit lower than yours.