Popular Post PFree Posted October 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2021 Okay, let’s be honest, we got stuffed today and had we lost 5 nil, it would have been appropriate. That said they are pretty much a Premiership side and started this season with a £20 odd million parachute payment. It’s disappointing as for whatever reason, there was no press, commitment or apparent effort from some but there we go, it happens. I would however comment that we are most certainly going the right way - just 4 losses in 12 games this season, a minus 1 goal difference, just 4 points off the play offs? Is NP not what we have been asking for for a long time, so can we not just get behind his honest approach and give him the three seasons he suggested he needs to turn us around? I never bet against City but, if I did, today would have been the day, just about everything was up against us, and B’Muff did really well, fair play to them. Their quality in depth is incredible to be fair and I have no doubt they will go up this season. I am glad we have Tuesday to come when we go again. Okay today was always going to be hard but, let’s be honest we will have some much easier games to come, the home win will come. Finally, how wonderful to see all fans join together for the minutes applause in the 7th minute - let’s hope the young lad Brooks responds well to treatment and is given the all clear in the near future, well done to all who quite rightly joined in, so nice to see and hear! 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Super Posted October 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2021 The money issue is a poor excuse. You may not finish above them over a season but you can still give them a game. We barely put in a tackle stood off them and gave them the easiest game they will get all season. Shocking display. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 The fact our goal difference didn’t take a hammering today is a real positive. Also, to draw the second half, much of which we played with 10 men and without our 2 best midfielders was remarkable 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) My concerns are: poor team selection (why is Dasilva consistently left on the bench?); baffling substitutions; inability to change a game for the better. All significant failings by Pearson, which would have resulted in howls of criticism during the last two regimes. Last season we outplayed Bournemouth for 45 minutes at their place and forced them to change shape and tactics. I find it very hard to regard what I saw today as progress in any shape or form. Edited October 16, 2021 by The Dolman Pragmatist 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: My concerns are: poor team selection (why is Dasilva consistently left on the bench?); baffling substitutions; inability to change a game for the better. All significant failings by Pearson, which would have resulted in howls of criticism during the last two regimes. Last season we outplayed Bournemouth for 45 minutes at their place and forced them to change shape and tactics. I find it very hard to regard what I saw today as progress in any shape or form. I think you a bit harsh but I agree why is dasilva not a starter and what the hell is wells coming on for Williams. I like NP a lot and I know he is still short of the team he wants but sometimes he really does amaze me with his decisions. But then I teach maths and mediatation and am not a football manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFree Posted October 16, 2021 Author Share Posted October 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: My concerns are: poor team selection (why is Dasilva consistently left on the bench?); baffling substitutions; inability to change a game for the better. All significant failings by Pearson, which would have resulted in howls of criticism during the last two regimes. Last season we outplayed Bournemouth for 45 minutes at their place and forced them to change shape and tactics. I find it very hard to regard what I saw today as progress in any shape or form. Are you pleased with our league position at this point, better than you expected..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: My concerns are: poor team selection (why is Dasilva consistently left on the bench?); because much of the team selection policy is based around, if you’re in possession of the shirt and perform you keep it. Dasilva wasn’t fit v Peterborough and the team was unchanged bar the Atkinson / Baker enforced change. baffling substitutions; Williams enforced. O’Dowda to move to a back 3 (he could’ve achieved this without taking him off, but can only assume he wasn’t happy with O’Dowda’s first half performance). Bakinson could’ve been Palmer or Scott. inability to change a game for the better. All significant failings by Pearson, which would have resulted in howls of criticism during the last two regimes. Last season we outplayed Bournemouth for 45 minutes at their place and forced them to change shape and tactics. I find it very hard to regard what I saw today as progress in any shape or form. Not sure we outplayed them, but a fair argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstoke Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 2 hours ago, PFree said: Okay, let’s be honest, we got stuffed today and had we lost 5 nil, it would have been appropriate. That said they are pretty much a Premiership side and started this season with a £20 odd million parachute payment. It’s disappointing as for whatever reason, there was no press, commitment or apparent effort from some but there we go, it happens. I would however comment that we are most certainly going the right way - just 4 losses in 12 games this season, a minus 1 goal difference, just 4 points off the play offs? Is NP not what we have been asking for for a long time, so can we not just get behind his honest approach and give him the three seasons he suggested he needs to turn us around? I never bet against City but, if I did, today would have been the day, just about everything was up against us, and B’Muff did really well, fair play to them. Their quality in depth is incredible to be fair and I have no doubt they will go up this season. I am glad we have Tuesday to come when we go again. Okay today was always going to be hard but, let’s be honest we will have some much easier games to come, the home win will come. Finally, how wonderful to see all fans join together for the minutes applause in the 7th minute - let’s hope the young lad Brooks responds well to treatment and is given the all clear in the near future, well done to all who quite rightly joined in, so nice to see and hear! "Much easier games" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 I'm not expecting any points from the next two games. If we can't beat Barnsley at AG, I may start to get upset with Nige. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Cyril I would like to take up meditation it's a good hobby and I think it's better than sitting down all day doing nothing,, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westonred Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 NP has a very tough job and yes we are doing okay ish until now but we still need to loosen the purse strings and bring in a quality striker and two wingers who can ping over crosses playing COD offers us nothing defensively at all and very little attacking wise so why keep playing him. It wasn't just CODs fault today, the loss of Williams, the poor substitute bringing Wells on for Williams instead of a natural midfielder in Bakinson Lets put this one to bed now, nothing went right and were beaten by parachute payments again its a tough league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 The problem is not one loss to top team, nor Is it Nige; the problem is two decades long and lies at the very top. SL has spent millions and failed to achieve his aim through appointment of poor managers, letting others go, allowing his son to be Chairman of a largely non existent Board, allowing the club to consistently buy the mediocre, failing to bring new money in, obsessed by BS. OK, at last he has brought in the manager we needed, and has begun talking about new backers, both real positives. As supporters we need to get behind both these moves, ie support Nige through next 3 transfer windows and keep pressing re new monies. Always believe whatever the evidence is to the contrary 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Super said: The money issue is a poor excuse. You may not finish above them over a season but you can still give them a game. We barely put in a tackle stood off them and gave them the easiest game they will get all season. Shocking display. I agree completely with this. I think we all knew yesterday was going to be a tough game but our performance was shocking. The early loss of Williams clearly didn't help but if the game had finished 0-6 we couldn't have had any complaints. I don't want to moan on about Martin, Weimann and Wells again but our lack of pace up front is frightening. Opposition defences have nothing to worry about and we don't have an out ball to relieve any pressure for our defence (who actually did their best yesterday). Gary Cahill has only just stubbed his cigar out and will never have an easier afternoon! I completely understand this is a "work in progress" project but yesterday wasn't acceptable in my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stone Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 8 hours ago, robin_unreliant said: I'm not expecting any points from the next two games. If we can't beat Barnsley at AG, I may start to get upset with Nige. All depends who's available I suppose. I had a bloke behind me slagging off Bakinson as soon as he come on yesterday, its not the kids fault we haven't got anyone better on the bench to come on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 10 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: My concerns are: poor team selection (why is Dasilva consistently left on the bench?); baffling substitutions; inability to change a game for the better. All significant failings by Pearson, which would have resulted in howls of criticism during the last two regimes. Last season we outplayed Bournemouth for 45 minutes at their place and forced them to change shape and tactics. I find it very hard to regard what I saw today as progress in any shape or form. Just taking in your points, are you saying that if we were doing things differently we would be doing better? U can’t help but feel this is the best tune we are going to get out of the club at present and it is punctuated by the odd unforeseen high and low (that’s football as we know). The ‘blocks of 10’ has become a fashionable benchmark so let’s see where we are after 20? My hope for the season would’ve been 12-15 with a worry of a relegation battle. If we are 12-15 after 20 games then we have to be relatively happy surly? It almost means we will lose a chunk, play poorly at times but also play well and pick up some points. This is the reality of the situation. I didn’t think we were playoff material after winning at Cardiff and neither am I bricking after losing to promotion elect Bournemouth. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 It was so easy for them to go from defence to offence from the moment their keeper had the ball in his hands, when Bentley had the ball it was lumped down the middle to their centre half and so giving possession straight back to them, modern day teams with modern day managers don’t lump it down the middle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 48 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: The problem is not one loss to top team, nor Is it Nige; the problem is two decades long and lies at the very top. SL has spent millions and failed to achieve his aim through appointment of poor managers, letting others go, allowing his son to be Chairman of a largely non existent Board, allowing the club to consistently buy the mediocre, failing to bring new money in, obsessed by BS. OK, at last he has brought in the manager we needed, and has begun talking about new backers, both real positives. As supporters we need to get behind both these moves, ie support Nige through next 3 transfer windows and keep pressing re new monies. Always believe whatever the evidence is to the contrary Spot on. And as it’s a Sunday. There are none so blind as those that cannot see. But hey the Messiah has done a lot of good. We’ve got a lovely stadium and The Killers are coming. Kerching. How’s Pat and his Bears doing….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Dasilva can not defend and has been targeted before with his lack of height. Pring did not have a good game yesterday but I can not understand the love in for Dasilva. Left back is one of our many problems that need to be sorted 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 home games without a win. is that progess. not in my eyes. if lee or Deano had that sort of run the fans will be going mad. why do fans like nige so much 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Shockwave said: Dasilva can not defend and has been targeted before with his lack of height. Pring did not have a good game yesterday but I can not understand the love in for Dasilva. Left back is one of our many problems that need to be sorted Not sure there is a love-in for Jay, but we actually try to pass the ball when he’s on the pitch. He has some defensive weaknesses, but if you work on partnerships and spacing with your LCB and LM these can be overcome. I thought his second half was a small bright spot yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said: 16 home games without a win. is that progess. not in my eyes. if lee or Deano had that sort of run the fans will be going mad. why do fans like nige so much It’s hard to argue against that, did we actually deserve to win any of those 16? I don’t think so, in fact we were second best in nearly all of them, when I see the lovely football QPR, Luton, Coventry etc are playing it just frustrates me even more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 It is very difficult to see the wood from the trees at the moment. Due to the abject behaviour of the new Ipswich CEO and two appointments of novice managers, we would be in severe trouble with FFP if we had splashed out in the last close season. So no blame attached to Pearson for not bringing in a new team in pre-season. He has begun the job of rebuilding the team, it's spirit and a unity that has been sadly missing for several seasons. Not an easy thing to do. I realised, like many others that we would lose to B'mouth whatever we did on and off the field. We have a squad of players with fewer injuries than those last season but we are still, for various reasons, short of at least four to six who could be in the match squad. Atkinson was out, Williams pulled up very early in the match and King later. Add to them Conway, Semenyo. I am assuming that Pearson also realised we would lose whatever we did. So bearing in mind that we have three days later another game that we can reasonably hope to get the long awaited win, did he instruct the team not to play a very high pressing game that would use a lot of energy. Not to go crunching into tackles, try to keep the score down and so on to save ourselves for Forest. B'mouth helped us to earn a minimal defeat with some appalling misses in the second half, but we still look forward to Forest with another two injured, Williams and King. Most of us expected we would be in bottom six all season so it's a minor relief at present to be in top half with only four defeats from twelve games and a goal difference of only minus one. We are not where we want to be but yesterdays performance was a lot better than the rubbish we had to watch last season. We did a reasonable job of keeping our shape, nobody let their heads drop, we worked as a team as best we could and even created a couple of second half openings that could have been more profitable with some good fortune. Keep the faith everyone because if we start moaning at them during a match, it could diminish the wholehearted effort that all squad members appear to be giving at present. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 12 hours ago, PFree said: Okay, let’s be honest, we got stuffed today and had we lost 5 nil, it would have been appropriate. That said they are pretty much a Premiership side and started this season with a £20 odd million parachute payment. It’s disappointing as for whatever reason, there was no press, commitment or apparent effort from some but there we go, it happens. I would however comment that we are most certainly going the right way - just 4 losses in 12 games this season, a minus 1 goal difference, just 4 points off the play offs? Is NP not what we have been asking for for a long time, so can we not just get behind his honest approach and give him the three seasons he suggested he needs to turn us around? I never bet against City but, if I did, today would have been the day, just about everything was up against us, and B’Muff did really well, fair play to them. Their quality in depth is incredible to be fair and I have no doubt they will go up this season. I am glad we have Tuesday to come when we go again. Okay today was always going to be hard but, let’s be honest we will have some much easier games to come, the home win will come. Finally, how wonderful to see all fans join together for the minutes applause in the 7th minute - let’s hope the young lad Brooks responds well to treatment and is given the all clear in the near future, well done to all who quite rightly joined in, so nice to see and hear! The only thing I can disagree with is your description of Bournemouth as a premiership side they are not and when they were they were one of the worst hence the reason they were relegated, but I get where you are coming from it's nearly impossible for a club like us with no parachute payments to compete with them their players are just that bit better than ours because of the wages they can pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 12 hours ago, PFree said: Okay, let’s be honest, we got stuffed today and had we lost 5 nil, it would have been appropriate. That said they are pretty much a Premiership side and started this season with a £20 odd million parachute payment. It’s disappointing as for whatever reason, there was no press, commitment or apparent effort from some but there we go, it happens. I would however comment that we are most certainly going the right way - just 4 losses in 12 games this season, a minus 1 goal difference, just 4 points off the play offs? Is NP not what we have been asking for for a long time, so can we not just get behind his honest approach and give him the three seasons he suggested he needs to turn us around? I never bet against City but, if I did, today would have been the day, just about everything was up against us, and B’Muff did really well, fair play to them. Their quality in depth is incredible to be fair and I have no doubt they will go up this season. I am glad we have Tuesday to come when we go again. Okay today was always going to be hard but, let’s be honest we will have some much easier games to come, the home win will come. Finally, how wonderful to see all fans join together for the minutes applause in the 7th minute - let’s hope the young lad Brooks responds well to treatment and is given the all clear in the near future, well done to all who quite rightly joined in, so nice to see and hear! Only thing I disagree with is the “commitment” if you’ve ever played in a game where you’ve been completely outclassed you’d understand, it no a lack of commitment at all. You just can’t get near them. It’s a big difference. The movement off the ball tied is in knots & we were simply not good enough. No comparison with how we weren’t putting the effort on last season after Christmas . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, lukebcfc1989 said: It’s not it’s risk and reward we are looking to play with the big boys, Bristol should have Premiership football this inferiority complex is comparable to our national team we should have won multiple World cups and Euros we don’t demand it Agreed it's crazy we have not been able to get to the top flight for over 41 years we seem to be cursed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Super said: The money issue is a poor excuse. You may not finish above them over a season but you can still give them a game. We barely put in a tackle stood off them and gave them the easiest game they will get all season. Shocking display. You call yourself super .obviously a inflated ego. Have you ever played a game where you were completely overran ? We couldn’t get near them , simple as that . You chat some shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Hampshire reds said: 16 home games without a win. is that progess. not in my eyes. if lee or Deano had that sort of run the fans will be going mad. why do fans like nige so much **** off 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, lukebcfc1989 said: The question we should be asking is how Bournemouth have that team on the pitch yet we’re are told we have the billionaire owner??? Football is about gambling and glory Lansdown twist or leave And the answer to that is Bournemouth invested heavily the season they went up and would have probably breached FFP had they not made it. They’ve then had the benefit of 5 odd years of premier money followed by parachute payments. Meanwhile, in the time they’ve been in the prem the EFL have tightened FFP. Around half the division have had embargo’s, fines or deductions. Lansdown, for however rich he is, cannot just throw money at it - we’d get points deducted or other sanctions. Add in that he’s funded the club through Covid while his ex CEO wisely decided to let a £5m striker run his contract down and give value on the pitch, and I think you probably know why Bournemouth are where they are and we are where we are. If they don’t go up, they may be screwed when the parachute closes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 13 hours ago, ralphindevon said: The fact our goal difference didn’t take a hammering today is a real positive. Also, to draw the second half, much of which we played with 10 men and without our 2 best midfielders was remarkable I’d agree with that up to a point. To say that Bournemouth didn’t get out of first gear in the second half would be an understatement - they barely got out of reverse! What disappointed me was that we simply didn’t give them a game. It was like training session for them. When we played Fulham we at least made them work, and we were still in with a shout at the end. It was enjoyable to watch. Yesterday was so one sided, and so pedestrian, it was boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 53 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Only thing I disagree with is the “commitment” if you’ve ever played in a game where you’ve been completely outclassed you’d understand, it no a lack of commitment at all. You just can’t get near them. It’s a big difference. The movement off the ball tied is in knots & we were simply not good enough. No comparison with how we weren’t putting the effort on last season after Christmas . In those type of games in my experience, it’s usually time for someone to clatter an opponent, at least let them think the next time they receive the ball. That’s not going in to maim them and get a red card, but there are ways to do it sensibly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 41 minutes ago, italian dave said: I’d agree with that up to a point. To say that Bournemouth didn’t get out of first gear in the second half would be an understatement - they barely got out of reverse! What disappointed me was that we simply didn’t give them a game. It was like training session for them. When we played Fulham we at least made them work, and we were still in with a shout at the end. It was enjoyable to watch. Yesterday was so one sided, and so pedestrian, it was boring. Yes I’m struggling to remember a more one sided game at home, which is why I thought it remarkable we drew the second half even when down to 10 men. After half an hour I’d have taken 0-3 I really thought we were in for a big thumping. Not making excuses but I really think the Williams injury knocked the wind out of players and fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Hampshire reds said: 16 home games without a win. is that progess. not in my eyes. if lee or Deano had that sort of run the fans will be going mad. why do fans like nige so much Funny we never see a post from you when we have won away from home and played well. And if you thought that Johnson/Holden were better managers than Pearson then that says it all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: You call yourself super .obviously a inflated ego. Have you ever played a game where you were completely overran ? We couldn’t get near them , simple as that . You chat some shit I wonder how other teams manage it then. Still poor excuses keep you happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Super said: I wonder how other teams manage it then. Still poor excuses keep you happy. Who’s beaten them this season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, Davefevs said: In those type of games in my experience, it’s usually time for someone to clatter an opponent, at least let them think the next time they receive the ball. That’s not going in to maim them and get a red card, but there are ways to do it sensibly. Exactly my sentiment, look how Brentford went after Chelsea and gave them a tough game. I would have been telling the city players to go out there and make sure you clatter their wide players early and rough them up. Don’t give them time in midfield to look up for a pass and turn their CBs as much as possible and make them play facing their goal - there was none of that and that’s what disappointed me If we had done those things and put a shift in and still lost then fair enough but we didn’t and we got embarrassed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: Who’s beaten them this season ? Well they drew 0-0 away to mighty Hull and Peterborough and only just beat Luton and QPR, Guessing they had a gameplan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 55 minutes ago, Davefevs said: In those type of games in my experience, it’s usually time for someone to clatter an opponent, at least let them think the next time they receive the ball. That’s not going in to maim them and get a red card, but there are ways to do it sensibly. But what would that achieve? The days of leaving your mark on someone are long gone. The Roy Keane and Souness tackle is no longer a viable option. I agree with the comment about not being able to get near them, something I’ve experienced myself at non league level. You try your hardest but the opposition not only move quicker and with more purpose, but think quicker and have more options available for a pass. Am I right in thinking the two bookings yesterday were Cahill and Kelly? Both for pulling opponents back, the so called professional foul, both occurred to prevent us getting forward. We simply couldn’t get near enough to foul them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Super said: Well they drew 0-0 away to mighty Hull and Peterborough and only just beat Luton and QPR, Guessing they had a gameplan. You haven’t got a ******* clue about football you’ve proved that on countless occasions on here. Super my ******* ass . You’re a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, steviestevieneville said: You haven’t got a ******* clue about football you’ve proved that on countless occasions on here. Super my ******* ass . You’re a Great case made well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonboy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Mike Stone said: All depends who's available I suppose. I had a bloke behind me slagging off Bakinson as soon as he come on yesterday, its not the kids fault we haven't got anyone better on the bench to come on. Did you see Bakinsons last game? Anybody off the bench yesterday would have been a better option. We were being overrun, why Pearson chose someone who has proven to be so immobile remains a mystery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, cidered abroad said: It is very difficult to see the wood from the trees at the moment. Due to the abject behaviour of the new Ipswich CEO and two appointments of novice managers, we would be in severe trouble with FFP if we had splashed out in the last close season. So no blame attached to Pearson for not bringing in a new team in pre-season. He has begun the job of rebuilding the team, it's spirit and a unity that has been sadly missing for several seasons. Not an easy thing to do. I realised, like many others that we would lose to B'mouth whatever we did on and off the field. We have a squad of players with fewer injuries than those last season but we are still, for various reasons, short of at least four to six who could be in the match squad. Atkinson was out, Williams pulled up very early in the match and King later. Add to them Conway, Semenyo. I am assuming that Pearson also realised we would lose whatever we did. So bearing in mind that we have three days later another game that we can reasonably hope to get the long awaited win, did he instruct the team not to play a very high pressing game that would use a lot of energy. Not to go crunching into tackles, try to keep the score down and so on to save ourselves for Forest. B'mouth helped us to earn a minimal defeat with some appalling misses in the second half, but we still look forward to Forest with another two injured, Williams and King. Most of us expected we would be in bottom six all season so it's a minor relief at present to be in top half with only four defeats from twelve games and a goal difference of only minus one. We are not where we want to be but yesterdays performance was a lot better than the rubbish we had to watch last season. We did a reasonable job of keeping our shape, nobody let their heads drop, we worked as a team as best we could and even created a couple of second half openings that could have been more profitable with some good fortune. Keep the faith everyone because if we start moaning at them during a match, it could diminish the wholehearted effort that all squad members appear to be giving at present. @Red Exile and @ScottishRed What does the flame mean please? Is my post a load of tosh or bang on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: @Red Exile and @ScottishRed What does the flame mean please? Is my post a load of tosh or bang on? Means you’re on fire. So a good thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 hours ago, westonred said: NP has a very tough job and yes we are doing okay ish until now but we still need to loosen the purse strings and bring in a quality striker and two wingers who can ping over crosses playing COD offers us nothing defensively at all and very little attacking wise so why keep playing him. It wasn't just CODs fault today, the loss of Williams, the poor substitute bringing Wells on for Williams instead of a natural midfielder in Bakinson Lets put this one to bed now, nothing went right and were beaten by parachute payments again its a tough league What exactly has Bakinson done to deserve coming on? - A Player who, for me, is simply not mobile enough for Nige's system imo - would not shock me if he's loaned out or sold in Jan. Same with Palmer, O'Dowda, among others, who simply not good enough and/or do not suit the system. We're a complete kerfuffle of players suiting different systems and some over paid wasters on the books. Looking at O'Dowda, Moore, Bakinson, Wells among others. Too many 'nice' guys and poor body language. If someone had offered me mid table before this season I'd have snapped their hand off. Ultimately we need, as you say, a couple of wingers and a forward. The issue is, where are the funds going to come from? Unfortunately, I can only see it coming from a sale, and the only players we have worth a couple quid are Massengo and Bentley. @Davefevs we know SL was looking for external investment. Hypothetically is this were to come in (he prays), how does that impact FFP if at all? Shout out to Scott Parker also. Improvement of that Bournemouth team compared to Woodgate's lot last season was stark. Comprehensive classy performance that you can only applaud, albeit we didn't offer staunchest resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: @Red Exile and @ScottishRed What does the flame mean please? Is my post a load of tosh or bang on? Bang on! I whole heartedly agree with you position! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 @Fuberit doesn’t really, unless new investment = new owner and they go shit or bust in January. Which isn’t gonna happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: @Fuberit doesn’t really, unless new investment = new owner and they go shit or bust in January. Which isn’t gonna happen! Bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Davefevs said: @Fuberit doesn’t really, unless new investment = new owner and they go shit or bust in January. Which isn’t gonna happen! Unless he meant sponsorship, ground naming rights or even partnership. TBH I believe he would sell if someone came in, but in this day and age the people with that much interest and money are few and far between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Unless he meant sponsorship, ground naming rights or even partnership. TBH I believe he would sell if someone came in, but in this day and age the people with that much interest and money are few and far between. Sponsorship alone won’t cut it…ground naming is now restricted to only allowing it to be a sensible amount of money….so you can’t just say Heres £50m to call it the Hargreaves Stand for example. When SL talks of new investment, I honestly don’t know if he’s talking about getting bought out, or some form of partnership. Nor whether it’s City only, or Bristol Sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stone Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Ashtonboy said: Did you see Bakinsons last game? Anybody off the bench yesterday would have been a better option. We were being overrun, why Pearson chose someone who has proven to be so immobile remains a mystery. I watch all the games As I said if it was a stronger squad the lad would be at Oxford or somewhere 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Sponsorship alone won’t cut it…ground naming is now restricted to only allowing it to be a sensible amount of money….so you can’t just say Heres £50m to call it the Hargreaves Stand for example. When SL talks of new investment, I honestly don’t know if he’s talking about getting bought out, or some form of partnership. Nor whether it’s City only, or Bristol Sport. I'm not sure he knows, let alone the rest of us. Not sure what would be in it for a partner, apart from less financial burden for running costs. There is only money to be made if we go up, then sell again. I can't think of any other investment opportunities , unless as you say he splits up what he's built in Bristol Sport or sells the complex next to the Gate. I guess we will find out in the fullness of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 7 hours ago, cidered abroad said: @Red Exile and @ScottishRed What does the flame mean please? Is my post a load of tosh or bang on? Bang on my friend, totally agreement from me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, 1960maaan said: I'm not sure he knows, let alone the rest of us. Not sure what would be in it for a partner, apart from less financial burden for running costs. There is only money to be made if we go up, then sell again. I can't think of any other investment opportunities , unless as you say he splits up what he's built in Bristol Sport or sells the complex next to the Gate. I guess we will find out in the fullness of time. There is no way that he is splitting up Bristol Sport unless, someone comes in with massive money and guarantees to keep it together - that is not going to happen. I think SL is all about legacy now, IF we got to the PL, and survived, or the Bears won something, he would probably be happy. Ultimately, I read, albeit on here, that Junior ain’t looking to take over...........there may be interesting times ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 16/10/2021 at 21:57, ralphindevon said: The fact our goal difference didn’t take a hammering today is a real positive. Also, to draw the second half, much of which we played with 10 men and without our 2 best midfielders was remarkable Steady Ralph - “we drew the second half” - this is exactly the sort of rhetoric many on here have used to attack Joey Barton’s comments in post match press liaisons ... he seems to glorify the gas on performances and results based on 45 minute segments rather the games as a whole ... please don’t sink to his level ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 16 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Steady Ralph - “we drew the second half” - this is exactly the sort of rhetoric many on here have used to attack Joey Barton’s comments in post match press liaisons ... he seems to glorify the gas on performances and results based on 45 minute segments rather the games as a whole ... please don’t sink to his level ... Ha! It wasn’t really a compliment of our play, more how flabbergasted I was that we managed to get a 0-0 half. Anyway, it was like a cup final for Bournemouth playing against such a class team and set up as ours 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 16/10/2021 at 21:57, Super said: The money issue is a poor excuse. You may not finish above them over a season but you can still give them a game. We barely put in a tackle stood off them and gave them the easiest game they will get all season. Shocking display. Although I agreed with the OP, I sort of agree with what you're hinting at that there were stages in that game when we - for the first time this season really - seemed demoralised, shell-shocked, dispirited and did not put in a shift. The first 15 minutes of the second half were particularly dire. We couldn't pass, tackle or even hold the ball at our feet. God knows what was said at H/T to try to pick us up after their second goal, but it seemed to have had the opposite effect than was desired. We seemed to steady a bit with Martin's header attempt, but with King off the only question was could we stop more going in. Bournemouth knew they'd won the game, so it looked like a training exercise against non-league oppo for them by that stage. It goes to show that for all Pearson's talk about building a team with the right attitude, if something goes against this side - Williams' injury for example - morale can crumble like a sandcastle in the tide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) On 17/10/2021 at 10:48, Silvio Dante said: And the answer to that is Bournemouth invested heavily the season they went up and would have probably breached FFP had they not made it. They’ve then had the benefit of 5 odd years of premier money followed by parachute payments. Meanwhile, in the time they’ve been in the prem the EFL have tightened FFP. Around half the division have had embargo’s, fines or deductions. Lansdown, for however rich he is, cannot just throw money at it - we’d get points deducted or other sanctions. Add in that he’s funded the club through Covid while his ex CEO wisely decided to let a £5m striker run his contract down and give value on the pitch, and I think you probably know why Bournemouth are where they are and we are where we are. If they don’t go up, they may be screwed when the parachute closes That's not entirely an excuse for the overall gulf on Saturday- but I mostly agree with your post. The tactical change early exacerbated the gap- okay Williams going off yet again was unfortunate but that change just gives them the run of the central areas IMO. Edited October 18, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: That's not entirely an excuse for the overall gulf on Saturday- but I mostly agree with your post. The tactical change early exacerbated the gap- okay Williams going off yet again was unfortunate but that change just gives them the run of the central areas IMO. Tbf I don’t disagree with that - but the question was why Bournemouth had that squad and not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, lukebcfc1989 said: 2 Wingers and a Striker needed in January to be competitive. You need a threat and currently we are not threatening at all. Match our work rate and you are in with a chance as we will do nothing surprising. Wingers are the main miss for us. We need a ball carrier and we need someone who can go past a player and deliver a cross. Has it not been said, many many times, that we can't spend much on players unless we sell first? NP doesn't have the option to bring in the sort of quality Bournemouth had in their team. Ashton spent it all on the underwhelming squad we are now stuck with. SL can bring in extra investment but spending it on the squad will likely end up breaking the FFP rules and getting a points deduction. We need to accept we are stuck here, with no easy way out, and back Nige in a gradual transformation of the attitude and effectiveness of the squad. There is no easy quick fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, lukebcfc1989 said: 2 Wingers and a Striker needed in January to be competitive. You need a threat and currently we are not threatening at all. Match our work rate and you are in with a chance as we will do nothing surprising. Wingers are the main miss for us. We need a ball carrier and we need someone who can go past a player and deliver a cross. 2 hours ago, robin_unreliant said: Has it not been said, many many times, that we can't spend much on players unless we sell first? NP doesn't have the option to bring in the sort of quality Bournemouth had in their team. Ashton spent it all on the underwhelming squad we are now stuck with. SL can bring in extra investment but spending it on the squad will likely end up breaking the FFP rules and getting a points deduction. We need to accept we are stuck here, with no easy way out, and back Nige in a gradual transformation of the attitude and effectiveness of the squad. There is no easy quick fix. Agree with you both….we’ve shown that some foundations have been built, we are more solid / competitive, although we’ve started to allow too many opposition chances. The next bit is to improve the attacking cohesiveness. Somehow Nige needs to get a tune out any of Palmer, O’Dowda, Wells etc. For Palmer and Wells, they need to be given a chance (assume they are putting it in on the training ground - no reason not to think so). I didn’t include Scott, because I’m sure he will get his minutes here and there, and he’s been generally quite creative in the games he’s played. Pring has shown a physical side in creating chances / crosses from the LHS. I would love to see Weimann and Wells tonight, but would settle for Wells. It’s likely to be a tight game, 1-0, 0-1, 1-1 type game and we need someone to take a chance. I think we will see some changes tonight. We don’t need to go gung-ho, but a back 3 of Worrall, Figueredo and McKenna is not blessed with pace. Balls in behind the WBs, down the sides of Worrall and McKenna is a likely route to success tonight. Worrall and McKenna getting “faced-up” in channels is not their comfort zone. Yates and Colback in their CM are gonna be niggly all night, but they aren’t gonna rotate our midfield too much. It is a game to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree with you both….we’ve shown that some foundations have been built, we are more solid / competitive, although we’ve started to allow too many opposition chances. The next bit is to improve the attacking cohesiveness. Somehow Nige needs to get a tune out any of Palmer, O’Dowda, Wells etc. For Palmer and Wells, they need to be given a chance (assume they are putting it in on the training ground - no reason not to think so). I didn’t include Scott, because I’m sure he will get his minutes here and there, and he’s been generally quite creative in the games he’s played. Pring has shown a physical side in creating chances / crosses from the LHS. I would love to see Weimann and Wells tonight, but would settle for Wells. It’s likely to be a tight game, 1-0, 0-1, 1-1 type game and we need someone to take a chance. I think we will see some changes tonight. We don’t need to go gung-ho, but a back 3 of Worrall, Figueredo and McKenna is not blessed with pace. Balls in behind the WBs, down the sides of Worrall and McKenna is a likely route to success tonight. Worrall and McKenna getting “faced-up” in channels is not their comfort zone. Yates and Colback in their CM are gonna be niggly all night, but they aren’t gonna rotate our midfield too much. It is a game to win. Well said Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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