Last minute goals

[Daniro]

For me, conceding or scoring goals in the closing minutes of the first or second half is very often a question of mentality.  

I seem to remember in our play off season under Gary Johnson, we often scored right at the close.

It seems to me that nowadays and for quite a few seasons recently we are the ones who concede.    Any team with any sense knows to attack us because we seem unable to "game manage".    

 

With a boss as experienced as Nige, I am really shocked that today we were torn apart in injury time.  It's a disgrace.   We have plenty of seasoned pros in the team who must know about game management.

 

Does anyone  know how to run  the stats on our record for conceding / scoring in, say  the last 5 minutes of either first or second halves?  I think it would tell us a lot about the psychology of our team.

[cidercity1987]

Well it's now a 5-1 smashing in 90+ goals this season

[Super]

If only we had a manager on the touchline who could try and bark orders and organise.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

20 minutes ago, Super said:

If only we had a manager on the touchline who could try and bark orders and organise.

Surely the players should have a game management plan practiced and trained on for bringing games home in the final minutes. I do not see the manager or coach's having a great effect from the touchline in these situations. The players need to better and better as a team. It's all down to the players in the pitch to me. 

[Super]

1 minute ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Surely the players should have a game management plan practiced and trained on for bringing games home in the final minutes. I do not see the manager or coach's having a great effect from the touchline in these situations. The players need to better and better as a team. It's all down to the players in the pitch to me. 

Not so sure. I think a manager can surely help especially late on in the game. Feels like he is hiding away.

[watkins1983]

Were Palmer and O’dowda really the subs to make in the closing stages of the game? 
surely Pring and Bakinson would be better to close the game out? Just seemed like strange subs to me. 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

1 minute ago, Super said:

Not so sure. I think a manager can surely help especially late on in the game. Feels like he is hiding away.

Ok we will have to fifer on thoughts if that. But your comment that he is hiding away is interesting because surely a ms a football manager there is no where to hide from results 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

2 minutes ago, watkins1983 said:

Were Palmer and O’dowda really the subs to make in the closing stages of the game? 
surely Pring and Bakinson would be better to close the game out? Just seemed like strange subs to me. 

Yes now that is a good point. Mind attack best way to defend tactic. 

[onlyotib]

2 minutes ago, watkins1983 said:

Were Palmer and O’dowda really the subs to make in the closing stages of the game? 
surely Pring and Bakinson would be better to close the game out? Just seemed like strange subs to me. 

Well said. He could have gone with stability but chose 2 players that were a huge gamble and nobody knows how they are going to turn up. Nice to see O’Dowda still robbing a living though incase people forgot

[tin]

So far in the league this year (four, all at home):

• Lavery (Blackpool 90+3)

• Hylton (Luton 90+1)

• Taylor (Forest 90+1, 90+2)

When will the penny drop that many of the players we have simply aren’t up to the job. We’ve signed Atkinson and Tanner, the types we need to go for. But for every one of those we’re hamstrung by the likes of COD, Bakinson, Vyner, Moore, Palmer and possibly Wells who simply aren’t adding anything in any scenario. It’s infuriating and it will take time to sort. 

[bs22 red]

5 minutes ago, tin said:

So far in the league this year (four, all at home):

• Lavery (Blackpool 90+3)

• Hylton (Luton 90+1)

• Taylor (Forest 90+1, 90+2)

When will the penny drop that many of the players we have simply aren’t up to the job. We’ve signed Atkinson and Tanner, the types we need to go for. But for every one of those we’re hamstrung by the likes of COD, Bakinson, Vyner, Moore, Palmer and possibly Wells who simply aren’t adding anything in any scenario. It’s infuriating and it will take time to sort. 

Thought Wells was one of the better players on show tonight 

[tin]

2 minutes ago, bs22 red said:

Thought Wells was one of the better players on show tonight 

He was, but I’m looking at the bigger picture in terms of what he’s done in his time here. Not singling him out at all, hence the “possibly Wells”. Has he returned ROI? No, although there are mitigating circumstances. 

[Davefevs]

21 minutes ago, watkins1983 said:

Were Palmer and O’dowda really the subs to make in the closing stages of the game? 
surely Pring and Bakinson would be better to close the game out? Just seemed like strange subs to me. 

Can you give reasons why?

[REDOXO]

4 minutes ago, bs22 red said:

Thought Wells was one of the better players on show tonight 

Wells played well tonight and looked pissed off about being subbed. Tanner was excellent as was Baker and Kalas for the 90.

We dropped deeper and deeper and let them beat us on the wings despite at one stage going 541/451. Our midfield carried no threat once Scott was subbed off and we had no ability to retain possession for 90 minutes. 

Of all the **** ups at home that was the biggest kick in the balls. Soft little Bristol City yet again F F S!

[Alan Dicks]

8 hours ago, watkins1983 said:

Were Palmer and O’dowda really the subs to make in the closing stages of the game? 
surely Pring and Bakinson would be better to close the game out? Just seemed like strange subs to me. 

I was thinking the very same thing

[Lew-T]

Even the latter part of GJ’s reign, I remember us conceding late on in games. 
 

I’d love to see a stat of exactly how many conceded compared to other teams since then. We’ve got to be right up there!

[054123]

8 hours ago, watkins1983 said:

Were Palmer and O’dowda really the subs to make in the closing stages of the game? 
surely Pring and Bakinson would be better to close the game out? Just seemed like strange subs to me. 

They were embarrassing when they came on.

Both need to go.

Nowhere near the every levels needed.

[chinapig]

Nigel has said before that he doesn't believe there is a psychological problem at home but let's face it if we are ahead late in a game we fans tend to get anxious so why wouldn't the players?

Everybody expects us to throw it away so inevitably we do. It's a self -fulfilling prophesy.

No idea what the solution is though not sitting back and inviting the opposition on to us might help 

[Jerseybean]

Here’s the stats

Points dropped / gained due to late goals (in the last fifteen minutes of games) last season

Away to Barnsley - 2 points

Home to Swansea +1 point

Away to Bournemouth - 1

Away to Huddersfield + 2

Home to Derby + 2

Away to Reading -1

Home to Birmingham -1

Home to Blackburn + 2

Home to Wycombe + 2

Home to Portsmouth next round of the FA cup

Away to Swansea + 2

Home to Bournemouth -1

Away to Sheffield Wednesday +1

Away to Wycombe - 1

Overall + 5 points

 

This season so far

Home to Blackpool - 2 points

Away to Forest Green Rovers - meaning a penalty shoot out which we lost 6-5

Home to Luton - 2 points

Away to QPR + 2 points

Home to Fulham + 1 point

Away at Peterborough + 2 points

Home to Forest - 3 points

Overall - 2

[Daniro]

On 19/10/2021 at 22:53, Daniro said:

For me, conceding or scoring goals in the closing minutes of the first or second half is very often a question of mentality.  

I seem to remember in our play off season under Gary Johnson, we often scored right at the close.

It seems to me that nowadays and for quite a few seasons recently we are the ones who concede.    Any team with any sense knows to attack us because we seem unable to "game manage".    

 

With a boss as experienced as Nige, I am really shocked that today we were torn apart in injury time.  It's a disgrace.   We have plenty of seasoned pros in the team who must know about game management.

 

Does anyone  know how to run  the stats on our record for conceding / scoring in, say  the last 5 minutes of either first or second halves?  I think it would tell us a lot about the psychology of our team.

Just reminding myself of what I thought a few weeks back 

[Davefevs]

12 minutes ago, Daniro said:

Just reminding myself of what I thought a few weeks back 

Scored in 1st half injury time, conceded in 2nd half injury time.  No idea what that means?

[Numero Uno]

On 19/10/2021 at 22:59, Super said:

If only we had a manager on the touchline who could try and bark orders and organise.

If only we had leaders on the pitch with ******* bollocks. We can blame the manager all we like but a £20k per week player who heads a ******* free header downwards to the edge of the box, nobody on the edge closing it down and a keeper getting beat by a daisy cutter that took 13 minutes to roll into the net has got **** all to do with coaching.

The laughable thing is a team of Toolstation League players would at least know how to see the game out for a point but we’ve got lads like Massengo who has played at this level for what, 3 seasons now and can’t even stay awake to track a runner. Tell me what the **** coaching had to do with that? They’ve been coached that from age 7.

[Numero Uno]

22 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Scored in 1st half injury time, conceded in 2nd half injury time.  No idea what that means?

How about lost 3-1 to ten men in 45 minutes. That explains the performance more than adequately.

[Davefevs]

8 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

How about lost 3-1 to ten men in 45 minutes. That explains the performance more than adequately.

Yep, used the exact example in another thread.

[Slack Bladder]

It's all because we cannot keep hold of the ball. Our possession if awful. So we have to expend vast amounts of energy running around trying to close the opposition down.

By the time the game gets halfway through the second half, our players are blowing out their arses.

By the time we get to time added on, we have absolutely naff all to give.

[Numero Uno]

I would bet my life savings that the dressing room was like a morgue afterwards. I bet no ****** had the balls to tear into Vyner, Kalas, Bentley and Massengo who all lost us that game because they weren’t switched on. You can talk about coaching, systems and stats but sometimes it’s leadership and bollocks that’s needed and today that was totally lacking. Good players don’t need an old bloke with a tracksuit on to motivate them.

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I would bet my life savings that the dressing room was like a morgue afterwards. I bet no ****** had the balls to tear into Vyner, Kalas, Bentley and Massengo who all lost us that game because they weren’t switched on. You can talk about coaching, systems and stats but sometimes it’s leadership and bollocks that’s needed and today that was totally lacking. Good players don’t need an old bloke with a tracksuit on to motivate them.

I hope there was a right barny in there, and come Monday, there are a lot of players looking sheepishly at each other knowing they’ve not met the levels.

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

I hope there was a right barny in there, and come Monday, there are a lot of players looking sheepishly at each other knowing they’ve not met the levels.

I’m sure many of us have been in dressing rooms where that load of crap today would have resulted in players squaring up to each other. I don’t see that happening with our bunch of softies. Today was about a collective being soft as shit and that has to be a huge concern. You want to believe today will be a watershed moment and we will see a reaction but I wouldn’t bank on that.

[Northern Red]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I hope there was a right barny in there, and come Monday, there are a lot of players looking sheepishly at each other knowing they’ve not met the levels.

I remember Pearson saying something similar after the Forest debacle.

[Numero Uno]

4 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I was actually surprised we were going for a 3rd. I know Martin had that shot just wide from distance, but I felt Coventry were the most likely with the game so open. 

I am all for positive football trying to win games, and I did want to go toe to toe with them. But at 2-2 it felt like Coventry would get a 3rd unless we tightened up a bit.

In a relegation scrap and looking so bad at that point I guess the sensible move would be see it out and try and score if there is space to attack, but just accept it's been a crap performance and settle with the point if we have to.

A point away to Coventry without knowing the how it happened is decent.

It doesn't amaze me we can't keep the ball vs 11 of their players, but to not be able to against 10 is really shocking.

Exactly, sod the circumstances, just make sure you don’t get BEAT, every point counts in our position. Same as the Forest game. We just fold when the going gets tough. The concern for me is this will take 18 months minimum to sort out to add to the 2-3 years when watching City has been a sense of duty with little enjoyment. What sort of crowds will we be looking at by then?

[marmite]

3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Exactly, sod the circumstances, just make sure you don’t get BEAT, every point counts in our position. Same as the Forest game. We just fold when the going gets tough. The concern for me is this will take 18 months minimum to sort out to add to the 2-3 years when watching City has been a sense of duty with little enjoyment. What sort of crowds will we be looking at by then?

But this is the very reason we are conceding late goals so often.  Making sure we don't get beat means defending deeper and deeper as the game goes on thereby inviting the pressure  from endless opposition attacking. I'm fed up watching the opposition goalie spending the last 30 minutes, on the halfway line,  watching the game take place in our half. Attack is the best form of defence and you never know, we might just score one ourselves.

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, marmite said:

But this is the very reason we are conceding late goals so often.  Making sure we don't get beat means defending deeper and deeper as the game goes on thereby inviting the pressure  from endless opposition attacking. I'm fed up watching the opposition goalie spending the last 30 minutes, on the halfway line,  watching the game take place in our half. Attack is the best form of defence and you never know, we might just score one ourselves.

Making sure you don’t get beat and defending deep are not the same thing. You can play a higher line and do the right things such as keep possession, don’t take silly risks and CONCENTRATE. The reason we are so deep is because we don’t have the nous to keep the ball.

[Red_Alligator]

On 19/10/2021 at 23:23, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Surely the players should have a game management plan practiced and trained on for bringing games home in the final minutes. I do not see the manager or coach's having a great effect from the touchline in these situations. The players need to better and better as a team. It's all down to the players in the pitch to me. 

What they do on the training ground, what they're told, doesn't mean that they've listened, or have the ability to deliver. Late goals are clearly an issue, and one which I'm sure will have been addressed on more than one occasion. 

[Simon79]

24 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said:

It's all because we cannot keep hold of the ball. Our possession if awful. So we have to expend vast amounts of energy running around trying to close the opposition down.

By the time the game gets halfway through the second half, our players are blowing out their arses.

By the time we get to time added on, we have absolutely naff all to give.

This is our biggest problem imo. People can talk about winning 50/50’s & smacking into people etc etc, but sometimes just getting on the bloody ball & picking a pass, keeping the ball is the bravest thing of all. From what I’ve seen, too many haven’t got the belief or ability to get on the bloody thing. When we do have it, it’s sloppy. No pace in the pass, behind the players stride, onto the players weaker foot, up around his midriff & as for throw ins ( feet & ******* back!!! not nipples & back! ). Get on the bloody ball, stick your chest out & play to feet, move, be dynamic & have some bloody urgency. I’ve never understood a footballer of any standard not wanting to get on the ball. COYR 

 

[marmite]

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Making sure you don’t get beat and defending deep are not the same thing. You can play a higher line and do the right things such as keep possession, don’t take silly risks and CONCENTRATE. The reason we are so deep is because we don’t have the nous to keep the ball.

I can see what you say but for our team, there is no high line or possession football, its just eleven in or around our own penalty area. Have you seen Bentley catch a corner then race to the egde of his box for a quick release, only to find he is our furthest man forward, 18yards from his goal line. There is no game management plan at all that I can see. 

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, marmite said:

I can see what you say but for our team, there is no high line or possession football, its just eleven in or around our own penalty area. Have you seen Bentley catch a corner then race to the egde of his box for a quick release, only to find he is our furthest man forward, 18yards from his goal line. There is no game management plan at all that I can see. 

Have I seen Bentley catch a corner? Not that often tbf, he tends to punch and flap at them more often than not. Which is why Barnsley were sticking the ball under his crossbar last week.

[marmite]

1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

Have I seen Bentley catch a corner? Not that often tbf, he tends to punch and flap at them more often than not. Which is why Barnsley were sticking the ball under his crossbar last week.

Don't start me on crosses or this banter will go  on all night.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

17 hours ago, Red_Alligator said:

What they do on the training ground, what they're told, doesn't mean that they've listened, or have the ability to deliver. Late goals are clearly an issue, and one which I'm sure will have been addressed on more than one occasion. 

Yes, ok bit then clear evidence of that should get them dropped . Or at more players not listening than NP can afford to drop. Which is a worrying sign of a lost dressing room. 

[Red_Alligator]

14 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Yes, ok bit then clear evidence of that should get them dropped . Or at more players not listening than NP can afford to drop. Which is a worrying sign of a lost dressing room. 

That's fair enough Cyril. A lost dressing room would be a very pivotal point. It's an awful time to be a City fan.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

52 minutes ago, Red_Alligator said:

That's fair enough Cyril. A lost dressing room would be a very pivotal point. It's an awful time to be a City fan.

I just don't see what's up. I see most games via being there, robins or streaming. And we really look clueless with no game plan and no desire. 

Now I really belief the quality of the majority of players is not that bad. And we have a decent manager in NP. 

So what is going wrong ? We should be doing much better. And I would only expect a bit higher than mid table this season . And at present we sprinting to div 1.

Does NP need further time off, long term, in his recovery from covid?

Are  the players really not that good ?

No desire, is not acceptable. They are overpaid in a job millions of people want to be. Kick there asses hard and out.

Because I really think Div 1 is going to be a long term disaster.

I love this club . Some body sort it out please 

COYR

Edited November 7, 2021 by Rocking Red Cyril
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