Pearson

[Hampshire reds]

i wont a new manager. 17 games without a home win is Pathetic. i know i will take stick for saying this but so what.  fed up with going to Ashton gate to see this week in week out. surely i am not on my own thinking about a change.

[Lrrr]

*looks back to July comments about just being happy to be away from a relegation fight*
 

October and someone calling for Pearson’s head when we’re not in a relegation scrap ‘yeah that sounds about right’ 

[AppyDAZE]

Throw the lot at it and go for Pep, Jurgen Klopp, Joey Barton, Alan Dicks ?   No, I'm sure you can come up with a few serious contenders to take us forward, HR.

Thanks, but I think I'll stick with supporting Nigel and co and to try not to act like a big baby every time there is a set back.

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by AppyDAZE

[bexhill reds]

Wondered how long it would take the OP to go fishing…..

I’ll bite, replace with who and fund with what? 

[swanker]

It’s going to take time, I’m confident we’ll get there under Pearson. 

Edited October 20, 2021 by swanker

[City1970]

5 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

Throw the lot at it and go for Pep, Jurgen Klopp, Joey Barton, Alan Dicks ?   No, I'm sure you can come up with a few serious contenders to take us forward, HR.

Thanks, but I think I'll stick with supporting Nigel and co and to try not to act like a big baby every time there is a set back.

 

17 without a home win is not a setback, it is a worrying trend. I am not sure a change of manager is the answer though. 

[RivieraRed]

You get more stick for your grammar than the content ... back to school ....

[Pezo]

If Pearson isn't the answer I'm not sure who is it's just going to take some time.

[Top Robin]

It is frustrating that Cooper turned it round in a couple of games at Forest and Nige is struggling a bit here. 

[Robbored]

20 minutes ago, Pezo said:

If Pearson isn't the answer I'm not sure who is it's just going to take some time.

Absolutely right.

Nige has a three year project and we’re only 13 games into his first year. When he was appointed most us said that we’d be happy with a mid table finish this season.

There will be ups and downs every season as there would be with any manager but hopefully progress every season. Stick with Nige and we’ll be ok.

[Robbored]

2 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

It is frustrating that Cooper turned it round in a couple of games at Forest and Nige is struggling a bit here. 

Why do you suppose that is?   

[Bris Red]

Having slept on it - I’ve woken up thinking Pearson will still have the backing of the vast majority of the board and many fans but as KITR’s thread points out there will start to be genuine doubts from even the most level headed and sensible among us.
 

The 3 year plan is all well and good and I’m all for it but results at home do need to start picking up ASAP or you fear for the crowd inevitably turning on Pearson and the project.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

7 hours ago, Lrrr said:

*looks back to July comments about just being happy to be away from a relegation fight*
 

October and someone calling for Pearson’s head when we’re not in a relegation scrap ‘yeah that sounds about right’ 

You don’t think we’re in a relegation scrap?  I’m sorry, but I think we are.  Unless we start winning at home, we will be relegated.  You cannot stay up if you cannot win home games.  No way will we be able to accumulate enough away points to compensate.  If Pearson can’t get us winning at home then we will go down, end of story, and at present we are just stumbling from one disaster to another.  Talk of three-year plans is all very well, but does that include going down to League One?  

Ultimately Pearson is the man in charge and has to carry the can.  All managers lose their mojo eventually, and perhaps Pearson has lost his already.  I would love to see him turn it around but we simply cannot afford to end up in League One.  It’s unthinkable.

[firstdivision]

19 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Why do you suppose that is?   

Why do you suppose it is?

My instinctive response was: ‘because he knows what he’s doing.’

[bpexile]

7 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

i wont a new manager. 17 games without a home win is Pathetic. i know i will take stick for saying this but so what.  fed up with going to Ashton gate to see this week in week out. surely i am not on my own thinking about a change.

NP never promised to be a miracle worker but he has improved us considerably.

Yes it's extremely frustrating, annoying & possibly upsetting but I feel confident he will get us through this .

[Robbored]

7 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

Why do you suppose it is?

My instinctive response was: ‘because he knows what he’s doing.’

Who? Cooper?

 

[MarcusX]

Pearson inherited an absolute shambles. 12? players out of contract, a fair bit more deadwood with no funds for mass upheaval.

I'm disappointed Pearson hasn't had more of the "new manager bounce", there's been almost none which is rare for a new manager. I thought his presence and experience alone would give us a lift.

I still think he's the best manager we could have attracted in terms of a "name", and probably the biggest we've had in my time watching City.

Names don't win games though, so although I still back Pearson and I really want him to do well, I'm starting to get nervous about where we are heading

[BS3_RED]

24 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

You don’t think we’re in a relegation scrap?  I’m sorry, but I think we are.  Unless we start winning at home, we will be relegated.  You cannot stay up if you cannot win home games.  No way will we be able to accumulate enough away points to compensate.  If Pearson can’t get us winning at home then we will go down, end of story, and at present we are just stumbling from one disaster to another.  Talk of three-year plans is all very well, but does that include going down to League One?  

Ultimately Pearson is the man in charge and has to carry the can.  All managers lose their mojo eventually, and perhaps Pearson has lost his already.  I would love to see him turn it around but we simply cannot afford to end up in League One.  It’s unthinkable.

It goes without saying that if our current trends continues  WE WIL GO DOWN.  

[firstdivision]

19 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Who? Cooper?

 

Yes.

[TV Tom]

19 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Who? Cooper?

 

Are you drunk or just thick? It’s not complicated what he’s written

[Robbored]

2 minutes ago, harrys said:

Are you drunk or just thick? It’s not complicated what he’s written

Thick.

[TV Tom]

5 minutes ago, BS3_RED said:

It goes without saying that if our current trends continues  WE WIL GO DOWN.  

Absolutely, we can’t score more than one goal at home and we can’t keep a clean sheet at home so we could go for ever and a day waiting for a victory, i’m afraid NP has had more than enough time to turn this home form (and performances) around but has failed miserably.

[TV Tom]

Just now, Robbored said:

Thick.

I did think that but I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt 

[Fordy62]

17 minutes ago, BS3_RED said:

It goes without saying that if our current trends continues  WE WIL GO DOWN.  

Our current trend of 1.23 points per game? That’d give us 56 points. Not sure a team has ever been relegated with 56 points…. So NO WE WON’T. 

[Northern Red]

23 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Our current trend of 1.23 points per game? That’d give us 56 points. Not sure a team has ever been relegated with 56 points…. So NO WE WON’T. 

As I said last night, people seem to have convinced themselves that the home form definitely won't improve but the away form will definitely get a lot worse.

[bexhill reds]

1 hour ago, Top Robin said:

It is frustrating that Cooper turned it round in a couple of games at Forest and Nige is struggling a bit here. 

Cooper just needed to rearrange the ornaments on the mantelpiece, inherited good players that Houghton couldn’t get a tune out of, Whereas Pearson has got to polish a very large turd with a very limited supply of polish….. 

We’ve got to allow time and patience, as I don’t think there is anyone more qualified to  turn this club around right now.

[BS3_RED]

33 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Our current trend of 1.23 points per game? That’d give us 56 points. Not sure a team has ever been relegated with 56 points…. So NO WE WON’T. 

I'm referring to the home form. You can not lose / draw your home games and stay up. It just won't happen. We would have to have a top 2 away form and that just won't happen. 

[bexhill reds]

58 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Pearson inherited an absolute shambles. 12? players out of contract, a fair bit more deadwood with no funds for mass upheaval.

I'm disappointed Pearson hasn't had more of the "new manager bounce", there's been almost none which is rare for a new manager. I thought his presence and experience alone would give us a lift.

I still think he's the best manager we could have attracted in terms of a "name", and probably the biggest we've had in my time watching City.

Names don't win games though, so although I still back Pearson and I really want him to do well, I'm starting to get nervous about where we are heading

January could be interesting, especially if our table position brings forward the summer recruitment plans. You could well see a couple depart to fund arrivals, that said unless it’s someone approaching an out of contract situation, Jan sales rarely bag quality..

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, BS3_RED said:

I'm referring to the home form. You can not lose / draw your home games and stay up. It just won't happen. We would have to have a top 2 away form and that just won't happen. 

Ahhh… so what you mean is the following:

If we maintain current home form and suddenly away form is turned on it’s head, then we will go down. 

Seems fair. 

I suspect that Man City will be relegated with the caveat that they don’t win a further game this season…

Quite a good game this. 

[BS3_RED]

Just now, Fordy62 said:

Ahhh… so what you mean is the following:

If we maintain current home form and suddenly away form is turned on it’s head, then we will go down. 

Seems fair. 

I suspect that Man City will be relegated with the caveat that they don’t win a further game this season…

Quite a good game this. 

:laugh:, no. 

 

It wont need to be turned on its head though, thats the thing. Plus the fact that we were a little lucky in a couple of those away games ( not that I am complaining about that as I was there, :laugh:). Being realistic, we wont maintain top 2 away form all season, it just wont happen (IMO)

[Ron W]

Pearson definitely shouldn't go, the tune he's getting out of the players we have isn't a bad one.

That said, it's difficult to blame anyone in the post-match emotions for not feeling the same way. We've not won in 16 home games, seven of those this season with fans back, and we've lost the lead in injury time of three. If I could still get to AG every week I'd be pretty pissed off.

Edited October 20, 2021 by RonWalker

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, firstdivision said:

My instinctive response was: ‘because he knows what he’s doing.’

Which suggests that you think Nige doesn’t know what he’s doing………….

[Ryan_BCFC]

He must be in his element knowing that every other club he’s managed at before us he would have been sacked by now based on results but welcome to Bristol City. 

[Northern Red]

8 minutes ago, Ryan_BCFC said:

He must be in his element knowing that every other club he’s managed at before us he would have been sacked by now based on results but welcome to Bristol City. 

Is there anything you like about the club? If not, why are you here?

[old parkender]

He’s got a massive job on his hands. My concern is we’ve been here before, the much maligned Shaun o’Driscoll called the club a basket case and was tasked to change the whole ethos around, which in fairness I believe he did, unfortunately we got relegated doing so, but the foundations were laid for cotts to kick the club on. Fast forward to today the clubs a basket case and Pearson’s been tasked to change the whole ethos of the club. If we had been through a couple of boardroom/ownership changes in that time I could understand but it’s the same mistakes being made by the same person time and time again.we can only hope that Nigel has impressed upon the owner a suitable blueprint to sustain this club at a minimum a competitive championship side without the constant chopping and changing ideas/sound bites and spin we’ve put up with for the last god knows how many years. 

[TomThumb84]

I have come to the conclusion that there are around a dozen posters here that are given the task of spouting absolute nonsense to generate debate and traffic.

These posters cleverly hide this face by being unable to spell, offer reasoned opinion and/or display minimal football knowledge so that everyone else feels the need to respond.

Its either that or right now we have the football team some of our fanbase deserves.

 

Edited October 20, 2021 by TomThumb84

[Bristol is red]

Changing the manager isn't going to fix anything, we're just going round in circles with it.  We've got too many players who aren't good enough, the squad has degraded in quality over several season as we've sold our best players.  

I feel sorry for Pearson for inheriting this mess.  Needing a rebuild with a high level of investment into the squad during a pandemic, with little money coming into the club to spend was a recipe for disaster.  Pearson has been handed a really shit hand here, we can change manager but we've still got the same players with the same problems.

[Guest]

A very depressing performance last night, everyone could see them scoring as soon as BC decided to start sitting back and defending with 15mins to go.  Thought Massengo was playing for the opposition at one point, don't recall him actually making an accurate pass when he came on.

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, bexhill reds said:

Cooper just needed to rearrange the ornaments on the mantelpiece, inherited good players that Houghton couldn’t get a tune out of, Whereas Pearson has got to polish a very large turd with a very limited supply of polish….. 

We’ve got to allow time and patience, as I don’t think there is anyone more qualified to  turn this club around right now.

Spot on and very amusingly put!

[AppyDAZE]

8 minutes ago, LoyalRed said:

A very depressing performance last night, everyone could see them scoring as soon as BC decided to start sitting back and defending with 15mins to go.  Thought Massengo was playing for the opposition at one point, don't recall him actually making an accurate pass when he came on.

Yes but he has big hair and has a song along with Jay.

Please stick to legitimate scapegoats like Baker, COD, Martin etc

Surely a forum ban awaits you for such a scandalous post.

[Northern Red]

4 minutes ago, TomThumb84 said:

I have come to the conclusion that there are around a dozen posters here that are given the task of spouting absolute nonsense to generate debate and traffic.

These posters cleverly hide this face by being unable to spell, offer reasoned opinion and/or display minimal football knowledge so that everyone else feels the need to respond.

Its either that or right now we have the football team some of our fanbase deserves.

 

I don't think it's anything as clever as that, there are simply a handful of posters who claim to support the club but don't actually like it or anyone associated with it, that's irrespective of who the manager and players are at any given time. They don't get any enjoyment from it, find it impossible to say anything positive even after a good result and it really does beg the question as to why they're here.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Yes but he has big hair and has a song along with Jay.

Please stick to legitimate scapegoats like Baker, COD, Martin etc

Surely a forum ban awaits you for such a scandalous post.

COD was only on for 2 mins 

We were the better team and were a constant threat but then decided to sit back and defend and bring players on that can't string a pass together.  

[Red-Robbo]

2 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Pearson inherited an absolute shambles. 12? players out of contract, a fair bit more deadwood with no funds for mass upheaval.

I'm disappointed Pearson hasn't had more of the "new manager bounce", there's been almost none which is rare for a new manager. I thought his presence and experience alone would give us a lift.

I still think he's the best manager we could have attracted in terms of a "name", and probably the biggest we've had in my time watching City.

Names don't win games though, so although I still back Pearson and I really want him to do well, I'm starting to get nervous about where we are heading

 

To be fair, if the comparison is being made with Steve Cooper, he also inherited an utter shambles.  8 managers in 5 years (not counting 5 caretakers).  Mad (and dodgy af) owner. Bottom with one point when he took over.

Although I still back the Pearson project, I'd have liked to have heard him as angry after that defeat as the supporters were. For a guy with a peppery reputation, he sounds too laid back. Not emotionally invested. 

Ultimately, although I enjoyed last night's game until extra time, we simply cannot get anywhere with the strikeforce we have, and we don't have defensive midfield options I'd like either. Apart from HNM, the bench looks unimpressive. We know why Pearson failed to find that new striker he said he wanted, but it'll stymie this season. 

We just have to hold on, keep faith and hope we don't crash. 

[Northern Red]

8 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

To be fair, if the comparison is being made with Steve Cooper, he also inherited an utter shambles.  8 managers in 5 years (not counting 5 caretakers).  Mad (and dodgy af) owner. Bottom with one point when he took over.

Although I still back the Pearson project, I'd have liked to have heard him as angry after that defeat as the supporters were. For a guy with a peppery reputation, he sounds too laid back. Not emotionally invested. 

Ultimately, although I enjoyed last night's game until extra time, we simply cannot get anywhere with the strikeforce we have, and we don't have defensive midfield options I'd like either. Apart from HNM, the bench looks unimpressive. We know why Pearson failed to find that new striker he said he wanted, but it'll stymie this season. 

We just have to hold on, keep faith and hope we don't crash. 

I'm not so sure, I thought he was seething in his interview afterwards but at the same time he's probably mindful of not going too hard on the players in public when confidence is fragile.

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

I'm not so sure, I thought he was seething in his interview afterwards but at the same time he's probably mindful of not going too hard on the players in public when confidence is fragile.

I only heard the bizarrely truncated Radio Bristol interview (it seemed to air halfway through his comments) and read his thoughts today.

I'm old enough to have seen this before - and worse, but I can say leaving the Gate last night there was real anger and disillusionment in that crowd. Real crowd numbers will plummet if better fare is not provided. 

[slartibartfast]

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

Why do you suppose that is?   

He had better players to start with !

[BTRFTG]

3 hours ago, Top Robin said:

It is frustrating that Cooper turned it round in a couple of games at Forest and Nige is struggling a bit here. 

Like most Championship sides Forest have a couple of players who know how to find the back of the net. 

Pearson doesn't have that luxury.

[Fuber]

4 hours ago, Top Robin said:

It is frustrating that Cooper turned it round in a couple of games at Forest and Nige is struggling a bit here. 

Forest have a much better squad then us imo. We wish we had the likes of Mighten, Lolley, Etc.

You know. Actual players with technical ability. That can take on a man.

[Redrascal2]

11 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

i wont a new manager. 17 games without a home win is Pathetic. i know i will take stick for saying this but so what.  fed up with going to Ashton gate to see this week in week out. surely i am not on my own thinking about a change.

I think you will get stick for saying the same thing week after week after week. It so bloody predictable and shows no understanding of how Pearson hands have been tied by Lansdown pulling the plug on funds for new players. Something your beloved Johnson  never had to deal with.

[firstdivision]

4 hours ago, Robbored said:

Which suggests that you think Nige doesn’t know what he’s doing………….

That's pretty a big leap from your assertion that it's obvious why Steve Cooper is doing well at Forest - and me asking you why is he doing so well. 

You can have my view on NP if you want, but I'm more interested to know why you think SC has done so well at Forest.

[GrahamC]

4 hours ago, bexhill reds said:

Cooper just needed to rearrange the ornaments on the mantelpiece, inherited good players that Houghton couldn’t get a tune out of, Whereas Pearson has got to polish a very large turd with a very limited supply of polish….. 

We’ve got to allow time and patience, as I don’t think there is anyone more qualified to  turn this club around right now.

This, every time.

Forest’s squad is miles better than ours.

I am as disappointed in the results at home as the next person but changing manager is not the solution.

[Davefevs]

6 hours ago, BS3_RED said:

:laugh:, no. 

 

It wont need to be turned on its head though, thats the thing. Plus the fact that we were a little lucky in a couple of those away games ( not that I am complaining about that as I was there, :laugh:). Being realistic, we wont maintain top 2 away form all season, it just wont happen (IMO)

But by the same token we’ve been a bit unlucky in home games.

Depends on how you want to position your narrative doesn’t it?