Paul Simpson and Keith Downing have left

[maxjak]

51 minutes ago, maxjak said:

I never know?.............are flames a good or a bad response to a post?  Ha!

I guess that was kind of inevitable?

[HitchinRed]

2 minutes ago, maxjak said:

I guess that was kind of inevitable?

You’re welcome. 

[Ska Junkie]

I wish Paul every future success and, far more importantly, the best of health.

[Henry]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

And…if it was health reasons, they’d (OS) have said so.

I really don’t see why some posters think it’s anything other that Pearson not wanting him. That’s not trying to be ITK, but reality of the situation, hence mutual termination.

Good luck to Simmo btw. 

Because you alluded to knowing more, people speculated.

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, Rob k said:

Nonsense. It’s all wild speculation and rumour.

Very few, if any posters on here any ‘inside’ knowledge.

Wrong 

But do you really know that, or is it just wild speculation?

[brady bunch]

1 hour ago, maxjak said:

I never know?.............are flames a good or a bad response to a post?  Ha!

its a good thing. "Your on fire today", "bang on" that sort of think, same as the cup for me (even though it suggests "thanks", it means great comment for sure.

 

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Hope he finds a new job and he is well. Seems like a good guy, speaks well and with a lot of enthusiasm in his interviews.

Was impressed with that England under 20s team Simpson managed that won the world cup. Think I watched every game. Had them playing good stuff.

Always seemed a bit of a weird one bringing him in if the reason was he was proven at England youth levels. He did have a lot of quality there to pick from and it's not really anything like championship football or the job of a coach or assistant manager at championship level.

Indeed, and I was curious as to why, when PS returned from his medical absence, he wasn't given more of a role with the youngsters, especially as Curtis Fleming seemed to have usurped his previous role. 

[Antman]

3 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

My predictions.

1. If we win our next home game, the usual reactionary posters will decide that Simpson was the problem.

2. If we don't win the next home game, the usual reactionary posters will decide that Simpson could have been the solution.

3. Regardless of the result of our next home game, the usual reactionary posters will remind us that 'Pembo' was the best coach we ever had, but go weirdly silent when asked what it was like to be coached by him.

Welcome to OTIB.

Personally think Benny wasn't given a chance......

[Roger Red Hat]

3 hours ago, VT05763 said:

I never seen such a disorganised, confused and passive team than the one I have witnessed several times this season.

Did you not watch last season?

[Waconda]

Just now, Roger Red Hat said:

Did you not watch last season?

Yes, top of the league and playing great football until the Boro game and the injuries started.

From then until now absolute dross.

[RedorDead BCFC]

2 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

Sure. 

https://www.concrete.org.uk/magazine-concrete.asp

Believe they might also address the industry news for other aggregates as well.

Cheers, hope I get an invite to the Wales Concrete Society 

[maxjak]

9 minutes ago, brady bunch said:

its a good thing. "Your on fire today", "bang on" that sort of think, same as the cup for me (even though it suggests "thanks", it means great comment for sure.

 

Thanks Brady Bunch...........for putting me straight

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

Very short odds on him for the Carlise job now. 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 hour ago, petehinton said:

I've always felt like Simpson/Downing leaving was a matter of if not when after this. They were brought in, probably sold the dream of being 'joint assistants' under an 'up and coming exciting young manager' at a big potential project. Leave their England roles for it. 

Fast forward 6 months, everything is a shambles and Simpson is left as the 'lead' person to temporarily try and get us out. This interview is just a huge "what the **** have I done?" cry out. Do wonder if Pearson coming in, bringing in his own men (above them) has maybe made the two of them pretty deflated and lose a bit of motivation as it's in no way what they were signing up for...?

Apparently both were due to leave at the expiry of their contracts, so not quite the "jumping ship for glory" move it was sold to us as by Mr Ashton.

Working in senior football at a C'ship club (top 10 at the time!) is more prestigious, and well-paid, than working in youth football for the FA - even if it is for the national side.

It was a good move for the pair of them, and an offer they wouldn't have got from any other club at this level, and for that, they and us have Mr Ashton to thank. 

[Norn Iron]

2 hours ago, maxjak said:

  I have been concerned for a while about the possible levels of coaching       ........at the High Performance Centre  (Misnomer?).  

Nope. It's at Abbots Leigh. Misnomer Norton is too far away for a High Performance Centre!

[The Original OTIB]

49 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

It seems a lot have said Pearson is of that type.

Disagree a bit about Fergie though. Thought he seemed to be an excellent tactician but with maybe old school, traditional values.

The game has probably moved on quite a bit since Fergie was manager of United. Though he might well have adapted like I'm sure he did in his long career as the game must have evolved a lot in that time as I'm sure he did.

 

Yep if Pearson leaves it down to Downing then of course bring someone else in instead..but it's also down to Pearson to know he's not up to it and to have done it before now.

All the right ideas, but not necessarily in the right order?

[The Original OTIB]

1 hour ago, VT05763 said:

NP is very much an old school, traditional football manager and less of a coach, nothing wrong with that per say (Ferguson at Utd) but it is therefore crucial that the correct coaching staff are in place to convert his ideas into practice on the grass. 

Best case scenario here  is that NP has the correct ideas but they are not being carried out correctly by the coaching, staff hence the current mess on match day.

Worst case is that ......... well.

All the right ideas, but not necessarily in the right order?

[Jerseybean]

4 hours ago, petehinton said:

the bus has lost a passenger

Or even - the bus has lost a coach 

[RED4LIFE]

1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

It seems a lot have said Pearson is of that type.

Disagree a bit about Fergie though. Thought he seemed to be an excellent tactician but with maybe old school, traditional values.

The game has probably moved on quite a bit since Fergie was manager of United. Though he might well have adapted like I'm sure he did in his long career as the game must have evolved a lot in that time as I'm sure 

Towards the end of his time at Man Utd Ferguson mainly delegated all the coaching to his staff. He was more hands-on earlier on his career though.

[RedM]

5 hours ago, Robbored said:

Nonsense. It’s all wild speculation and rumour.

Very few, if any posters on here any ‘inside’ knowledge. 

How can you possibly say that. Time and time again people have posted information, yes information not rumour that went on to be proven fact. I expect also that many people out of respect for their sources don’t post everything they hear, I certainly don’t.

But then again I don’t expect you to take what I say as fact, after all I don’t publish it on the OS.

[RedM]

5 hours ago, Robbored said:

If any poster had any genuine inside knowledge they’d hardly post it on here and why it’s all speculation and rumour.

The only things I believe are posted on the OS - that’s the only way we know that it’s genuine.

I had actually written my reply above before I read this. Uncanny or are you just predictable?

[exAtyeoMax]

 

 

[Dolman_Stand]

10 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

 

 

If here are talks ongoing then he's surely off?

[Loco Rojo]

I wonder if Nigel has plans to replace either or both with people he's worked with previously?

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, Loco Rojo said:

I wonder if Nigel has plans to replace either or both with people he's worked with previously?

He’s already replaced one of them, hasn’t he?

Fleming had never worked as a coach with him before & the one that keeps getting suggested (Craig Shakespeare) is at Villa.

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, RedM said:

I had actually written my reply above before I read this. Uncanny or are you just predictable?

RedM - I seriously doubt that you or any other poster on here are itk but if you are what benefit does that give everyone else on otib?.

Nobody itk can post anything confidential on here. If they did that would compromise their source and Ive been in exactly that situation many times over the years.

 

[Tin Soldier]

Another one gone, gradually clearing out where required.

[exAtyeoMax]

52 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said:

If here are talks ongoing then he's surely off?

you would've thought so…

[Davefevs]

6 hours ago, JonDolman said:

I think Downing was brought in as the defensive coach and Simpson attacking.

Not sure how it works now. Downing used to be up in the stands under Holden whereas now it seems to be Pearson + a young looking man who is probably some sort of performance analyst with a laptop. Or I guess it's just that young man when Nige is in the dugout.

I read somewhere about Downing being obsessed with every little detail in our defence when we concede a goal. So yeah seems like that's more his role.

It frustrates me seeing how bad we often are in possession, but I also completely agree with you on the defensive side. For the players we have we look really vulnerable and surely something that can be improved with good coaching on the training ground.

Keeping possession better though probably only helps our defence. It's such a shame as we have 2 very mobile centre backs in Kalas and Atkinson so we could play a high line and play some good stuff, taking some risks as we have pace to cope well in one on ones if teams break.

Both Simmo and Keith intimated (more than once) that they did not have specific forward or defensive roles, and just did what was needed on a day to day basis by the head coach.  Natural to assume that the flair player in his day (Simmo) would do the attacking stuff and the steady-Eddie midfielder in his day (Keith) woukd coach the defensive stuff, but I never saw that in the videos.  Keith always doing the striker work….in fact I’d say Keith much more involved in the training video stuff than Simmo.

5 hours ago, Henry said:

Because you alluded to knowing more, people speculated.

I was told at 09:24 this morning Simmo had been sacked.  I asked person if it was health related and he replied nope.  The person is not Paul Binning / Exiled Robin in case you wondered, but someone who is close to someone at the club with loose lips!!

4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Apparently both were due to leave at the expiry of their contracts, so not quite the "jumping ship for glory" move it was sold to us as by Mr Ashton.

Working in senior football at a C'ship club (top 10 at the time!) is more prestigious, and well-paid, than working in youth football for the FA - even if it is for the national side.

It was a good move for the pair of them, and an offer they wouldn't have got from any other club at this level, and for that, they and us have Mr Ashton to thank. 

Yep, the view that England age group head-coach roles beneath u21 level is a high paid job is very unlikely to be the case, hence why we have had the likes of Kevin Betsy involved at this level.  Far better paid in the Championship is my guess.  I’d question whether the FA would attract the best for our kids if they paid more.

No disrespect to Keith or Simmo who achieved success with England, nor can I comment on their performance at City either, I’m sure most of the time they were under instruction from Holden or Pearson.

I would love to know how much input Holden had.  Simmo was his manager at Shrewsbury, but I never quite heard an interview where Deano really said it was his choice.  He admitted he only knew of Keith from seeing him at St Georges, not that he’d struck up a relationship with him.

[exAtyeoMax]

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Both Simmo and Keith intimated (more than once) that they did not have specific forward or defensive roles, and just did what was needed on a day to day basis by the head coach.  Natural to assume that the flair player in his day (Simmo) would do the attacking stuff and the steady-Eddie midfielder in his day (Keith) woukd coach the defensive stuff, but I never saw that in the videos.  Keith always doing the striker work….in fact I’d say Keith much more involved in the training video stuff than Simmo.

I was told at 09:24 this morning Simmo had been sacked.  I asked person if it was health related and he replied nope.  The person is not Paul Binning / Exiled Robin in case you wondered, but someone who is close to someone at the club with loose lips!!

Yep, the view that England age group head-coach roles beneath u21 level is a high paid job is very unlikely to be the case, hence why we have had the likes of Kevin Betsy involved at this level.  Far better paid in the Championship is my guess.  I’d question whether the FA would attract the best for our kids if they paid more.

No disrespect to Keith or Simmo who achieved success with England, nor can I comment on their performance at City either, I’m sure most of the time they were under instruction from Holden or Pearson.

I would love to know how much input Holden had.  Simmo was his manager at Shrewsbury, but I never quite heard an interview where Deano really said it was his choice.  He admitted he only knew of Keith from seeing him at St Georges, not that he’d struck up a relationship with him.

I got the impression it was a knee-jerk appointment after the "vigorous/rigorous" search for the manager resulted in DH, by you know who…

[Redtucks]

7 hours ago, Robbored said:

The only things I believe are posted on the OS - that’s the only way we know that it’s genuine.

I believe that you and GJ had somewhat of a disagreement. I don't remember that being posted on the OS.

Are you able to confirm that it was genuine......or not?

 

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by Redtucks

[Bris Red]

It certainly makes sense that Nige is now clearing the decks and paving a way for his own staff to come in.
Downing and Simpson seem like good guys but the whole trio of them and Holden was a complete car crash of appointments they should have all got the sack together IMO.

[Bris Red]

Double post

Edited October 22, 2021 by bris red

[Loco Rojo]

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

He’s already replaced one of them, hasn’t he?

Fleming had never worked as a coach with him before & the one that keeps getting suggested (Craig Shakespeare) is at Villa.

Good shout about Flemming. He may have been one in Nigels mind to replace one of them or maybe there's someone else as well? Shakespeare would be a great shout but I can't see him leaving Villa to come here.

Whatever happens next, it does feel like a change/improvement in the coaching set up (excluding Nigel) is required if we're unable to spend on the playing staff.

Edited October 22, 2021 by Loco Rojo

[Davefevs]

17 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Good shout about Flemming. He may have been one in Nigels mind to replace one of them or maybe there's someone else as well? Shakespeare would be a great shout but I can't see him leaving Villa to come here.

Whatever happens next, it does feel like a change/improvement in the coaching set up (excluding Nigel) is required if we're unable to spend on the playing staff.

Might not be anyone coming in.  Pearson - Fleming assistant - Downing and Cisse coaches - Mountain goalkeeping coach.

[Numero Uno]

7 hours ago, VT05763 said:

Yes, top of the league and playing great football until the Boro game and the injuries started.

From then until now absolute dross.

Playing great football? We were winning games such as Forest away and getting obliterated at the same time. We haven’t played great football at any time since Wolves turned us over about 4 years ago.

[Davefevs]

19 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

There will be . 

Ooooooooooooh

[Waconda]

9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ooooooooooooh

There has to be someone coming in, simply not good enough currently.

[Davefevs]

12 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

There has to be someone coming in, simply not good enough currently.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

[Kid in the Riot]

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, the view that England age group head-coach roles beneath u21 level is a high paid job is very unlikely to be the case, hence why we have had the likes of Kevin Betsy involved at this level.  Far better paid in the Championship is my guess.  I’d question whether the FA would attract the best for our kids if they paid more.

No disrespect to Keith or Simmo who achieved success with England, nor can I comment on their performance at City either, I’m sure most of the time they were under instruction from Holden or Pearson.

I would love to know how much input Holden had.  Simmo was his manager at Shrewsbury, but I never quite heard an interview where Deano really said it was his choice.  He admitted he only knew of Keith from seeing him at St Georges, not that he’d struck up a relationship with him.

They weren't Dean's men, they were Ashton's, which makes even more sense that Pearson would move them on. They weren't even picked by a football man.  I don't know if it's been confirmed but I don't think Downing (who appears even more hapless than Simpson imo) will survive. 

My view is there will be an incoming in the not too distant future. I said back in January or whenever it was that I'd have quite happily seen both of the Chuckle brothers go along with Dean. 

The standard of coaching must have been very poor to deliver the performances and results over the past 18 months. Neither Downing nor Simpson will be missed, but best wishes to the latter with his health issues. 

[Sleepy1968]

5 hours ago, Dolman_Stand said:

If here are talks ongoing then he's surely off?

Yeah, from GMG's comments it sounds like they are just negotiating the settlement figure.

[Rudolf Hucker]

5 hours ago, Robbored said:

RedM - I seriously doubt that you or any other poster on here are itk but if you are what benefit does that give everyone else on otib?.

Nobody itk can post anything confidential on here. If they did that would compromise their source and Ive been in exactly that situation many times over the years.

 

So you're saying that, in the past, you've been itk? 

[GrahamC]

53 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

They weren't Dean's men, they were Ashton's, which makes even more sense that Pearson would move them on. They weren't even picked by a football man.  I don't know if it's been confirmed but I don't think Downing (who appears even more hapless than Simpson imo) will survive. 

My view is there will be an incoming in the not too distant future. I said back in January or whenever it was that I'd have quite happily seen both of the Chuckle brothers go along with Dean. 

The standard of coaching must have been very poor to deliver the performances and results over the past 18 months. Neither Downing nor Simpson will be missed, but best wishes to the latter with his health issues. 

Exactly my view.

As an outsider Simpson filled me with slightly more confidence than Downing, too.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Yeah, from GMG's comments it sounds like they are just negotiating the settlement figure.

surely the pay off is anything but “standard” and linked to their salary, remaining contract length?  

[exAtyeoMax]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

They weren't Dean's men, they were Ashton's, which makes even more sense that Pearson would move them on. They weren't even picked by a football man.  I don't know if it's been confirmed but I don't think Downing (who appears even more hapless than Simpson imo) will survive. 

My view is there will be an incoming in the not too distant future. I said back in January or whenever it was that I'd have quite happily seen both of the Chuckle brothers go along with Dean. 

The standard of coaching must have been very poor to deliver the performances and results over the past 18 months. Neither Downing nor Simpson will be missed, but best wishes to the latter with his health issues. 

Why’s it taken so long? Financial reasons?

[Robbored]

6 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

So you're saying that, in the past, you've been itk? 

Years ago I was but not now.

[ExiledAjax]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

surely the pay off is anything but “standard” and linked to their salary, remaining contract length?  

Possibly the Post means that the mere fact that they get a pay-off is standard? Which it would be in any industry. Its poorly phrased though.

[YGBjammy]

Wonder who's coming in, and if it'll be one incoming or two?

Either way always felt these two were slightly underwhelming appointments along with Holden. England youth coach roles sadly don't mean a lot. 

[Lew-T]

Did Mark Ashton know Downing through West Brom?

[cityloyal473]

36 minutes ago, YGBjammy said:

Wonder who's coming in, and if it'll be one incoming or two?

Either way always felt these two were slightly underwhelming appointments along with Holden. England youth coach roles sadly don't mean a lot. 

I've never really got what they brought to the party and it just never seemed a good fit.  NP has had time to come to the same opinion I think.  Might well be as simple as they haven't got the wherewithal to get across NPs message, tactics and formations to the players. Let's be honest, they been the one consistent feature through our terrible home run, numerous late collapses and lack of shape on the field.  Coincidence?

[Pezo]

I liked the idea of keeping them around for a bit when NP was appointed so that NP could get some some background if needed. That time has passed and probably was passed a couple months ago so this makes sense.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

15 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

I've never really got what they brought to the party and it just never seemed a good fit.  NP has had time to come to the same opinion I think.  Might well be as simple as they haven't got the wherewithal to get across NPs message, tactics and formations to the players. Let's be honest, they been the one consistent feature through our terrible home run, numerous late collapses and lack of shape on the field.  Coincidence?

You’re clutching at straws there mate.  They’re experienced coaches - not able to get Pearson’s message across?  You forget that up until the disastrous injury-affected losing streak of six games that led to Holden’s sacking, we were doing well and just outside the play-offs.  They seemed to be doing all right then.  Pearson is the manager, if he can’t even communicate the formation to the players then I despair.  Who’s he going to sack next?  Scott Murray?  Beryl Fudge (chucked that one in for the oldies )?

[steviestevieneville]

46 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

You’re clutching at straws there mate.  They’re experienced coaches - not able to get Pearson’s message across?  You forget that up until the disastrous injury-affected losing streak of six games that led to Holden’s sacking, we were doing well and just outside the play-offs.  They seemed to be doing all right then.  Pearson is the manager, if he can’t even communicate the formation to the players then I despair.  Who’s he going to sack next?  Scott Murray?  Beryl Fudge (chucked that one in for the oldies )?

Perhaps they’re not very good at communicating /coaching NP’s ideas . Not innovative enough ? I still don’t see enough movement . A improvement on last year but still not enough. This is down to coaching. 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Lew-T said:

Did Mark Ashton know Downing through West Brom?

Their timelines don’t seem to cross at any point, although with Ashton living in that area and contacts in football in that area they could’ve known each other.

1 hour ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

You’re clutching at straws there mate.  They’re experienced coaches - not able to get Pearson’s message across?  You forget that up until the disastrous injury-affected losing streak of six games that led to Holden’s sacking, we were doing well and just outside the play-offs.  They seemed to be doing all right then.  Pearson is the manager, if he can’t even communicate the formation to the players then I despair.  Who’s he going to sack next?  Scott Murray?  Beryl Fudge (chucked that one in for the oldies )?

The problem with your posts is that they all route back to it being Pearson’s fault.  You don’t want him here do you?  Your points get lost by your agenda.

You could’ve just left it at “they’re experienced coaches”, you don’t have to then go on to say “if he can’t even communicate the formation….”.  That just makes you post look petty and cheap, and agenda-based.

FWIW, I doubt they are bad coaches too, just like I doubt Andy Rolls was Dr Death….but they might not be a good fit for City / Pearson right now, or in Rolls case made a mistake last pre-season.  They have longevity in football, they don’t strike me as blaggers.  Just think Nige wants different personnel.

Again FWIW, it would not surprise me if there were plans earlier this season to replace, but Simmo’s illness might’ve put them on hold.  I can only assume he’s made a full recovery (fingers crossed) and City / Pearson stood by him whilst he returned to good health….but now it’s time to implement the plan….just it’s a bit delayed.

As footballers I really liked Simmo, apart from his hat-trick, I know someone who played in Man City’s youth team with him and he says he was an unbelievable talent.  But I liked Keith’s interviews, I liked his enthusiasm.

I wish them all the best.  Ever worked for someone where it wasn’t a match made in heaven?  In football that happens all the time.

[!james]

 

 

 

[PHILINFRANCE]

10 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Their timelines don’t seem to cross at any point, although with Ashton living in that area and contacts in football in that area they could’ve known each other.

The problem with your posts is that they all route back to it being Pearson’s fault.  You don’t want him here do you?  Your points get lost by your agenda.

You could’ve just left it at “they’re experienced coaches”, you don’t have to then go on to say “if he can’t even communicate the formation….”.  That just makes you post look petty and cheap, and agenda-based.

FWIW, I doubt they are bad coaches too, just like I doubt Andy Rolls was Dr Death….but they might not be a good fit for City / Pearson right now, or in Rolls case made a mistake last pre-season.  They have longevity in football, they don’t strike me as blaggers.  Just think Nige wants different personnel.

Again FWIW, it would not surprise me if there were plans earlier this season to replace, but Simmo’s illness might’ve put them on hold.  I can only assume he’s made a full recovery (fingers crossed) and City / Pearson stood by him whilst he returned to good health….but now it’s time to implement the plan….just it’s a bit delayed.

As footballers I really liked Simmo, apart from his hat-trick, I know someone who played in Man City’s youth team with him and he says he was an unbelievable talent.  But I liked Keith’s interviews, I liked his enthusiasm.

I wish them all the best.  Ever worked for someone where it wasn’t a match made in heaven?  In football that happens all the time.

A good post Dave, and I largely agree.

Try to lay off @The Dolman Pragmatist, though; he is recovering from a stressful haircut.

[GlastonburyRed]

14 minutes ago, !james said:

 

 

 

I think we can infer from that slip of the tongue that Keith is toast.

[The Bard]

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Edited October 23, 2021 by The Bard

[nellie]

both going to Carlisle ?

[Loosey Boy]

4 minutes ago, nellie said:

both going to Carlisle ?

Good luck to them - no loss…..both were strange appointments and if the rumours are true, another Mark Ashton “masterstroke”

[Olé]

Putting aside the debate and general consensus that it's the right thing to do - even if it is, what the hell is happening at the club that we "sack" one first team coach on the eve of an important fixture and right in the middle of a busy run of fixtures and then don't turn up with the other first team coach at that fixture too. 

Don't tell me this was planned because if it seriously was whoever planned it is a moron. You expect players to be well focussed for games not surrounded by off the field soap opera and uncertainty. If this was planned it would have been done in the summer or at least an international break. I expected better from Pearson. 

Moving on his predecessors coaches may well have been increasingly desirable to NP, but in timing and handling this smacks of being both knee jerk and the result of some major falling out. I fully expected us to lose by a hatful today not just because we always do but because the situation is clearly totally unstable.

[exAtyeoMax]

No Keith Downing here today... 

No.

Is he likely to be back in the dugout? What's going on there? Obviously Paul [Simpson] left yesterday as well. 

I can't give you any confirmation as to where that will go at the moment but as I've already pointed out it was Paul's decision to settle with the club.

I don't want players at the club if they don't want to be here and likewise the staff. It's very straightforward in my head.

Will you replace him? 

Replace who?

Paul... 

I don't know on that one, we'll see what happens. As far as I'm concerned it's football. I've got no time to dwell on irrelevant situations if they have negative connotations for the squad. I don't have anything further to add.

From the EP.

[Davefevs]

16 hours ago, !james said:

 

 

 

Wow.  I was out last night, missed this.

7 hours ago, billywedlock said:

Agree that this should have been done in the summer . There is a lot wrong at the club and the correcting of Ashtons mess is proving more painful than anticipated . It is a time to be brave. If the true story ever came out the fans might be more accommodating 

Ooooh, tell us more

[cityloyal473]

12 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

No Keith Downing here today... 

No.

Is he likely to be back in the dugout? What's going on there? Obviously Paul [Simpson] left yesterday as well. 

I can't give you any confirmation as to where that will go at the moment but as I've already pointed out it was Paul's decision to settle with the club.

I don't want players at the club if they don't want to be here and likewise the staff. It's very straightforward in my head.

Will you replace him? 

Replace who?

Paul... 

I don't know on that one, we'll see what happens. As far as I'm concerned it's football. I've got no time to dwell on irrelevant situations if they have negative connotations for the squad. I don't have anything further to add.

From the EP.

All a bit mysterious sounding.
 

Feels to me, like we are rapidly reaching a watershed moment in Pearson’s career here. I like him, think that it’s a long job and he’s the man for it.

But I have a creeping feeling that everything is someone’s else’s fault and he’s deflecting blame. Lets hope I’m proven wrong and he really is identifying problems, fixing them and setting something up for the greater good. 

Edited October 24, 2021 by cityloyal473

[steviestevieneville]

24 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

All a bit mysterious sounding.
 

Feels to me, like we are rapidly reaching a watershed moment in Pearson’s career here. I like him, think that it’s a long job and he’s the man for it.

But I have a creeping feeling that everything is someone’s else’s fault and he’s deflecting blame. Lets hope I’m proven wrong and he really is identifying problems, fixing them and setting something up for the greater good. 

Where has he deflected blame ? 

[cidered abroad]

7 hours ago, billywedlock said:

Agree that this should have been done in the summer . There is a lot wrong at the club and the correcting of Ashtons mess is proving more painful than anticipated . It is a time to be brave. If the true story ever came out the fans might be more accommodating 

You apparently have some close contact in the club and as a very long standing supporter, I appreciate your comments.

We've had enough dressing room problems over the years, the days of Rance and a useless Board in the First Division. I consider that the worst one was the Doherty management in 1958 when he created a totally split squad due to an inability to understand that a promise from HD was sacrosanct. Relegation followed that event and it is possible that the same will happen this time.

Nigel Pearson appears to be one of those who will build us back again and I'm almost praying that we can keep away from the drop zone until he can get a couple or three in in January. Otherwise he'll need a Third Division promotion.

[GrahamC]

7 hours ago, billywedlock said:

Agree that this should have been done in the summer . There is a lot wrong at the club and the correcting of Ashtons mess is proving more painful than anticipated . It is a time to be brave. If the true story ever came out the fans might be more accommodating 

Yep, but in Simpson’s case I think his illness was why we didn’t.

As an employer myself doing so then would almost certainly lead to a constructive dismissal case, as well as the way sacking someone in the middle of his cancer treatment looks from the outside.

That doesn’t apply re Downing though & he certainly could have gone then.

[cityloyal473]

14 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Where has he deflected blame ? 

Where had he accepted blame?

He keeps referring to passengers and people not wanting to be on the bus.

He’s got rid of Simpson and Downing.

Got rid of quite a few players in the summer.

Brought in a few he knew who have proven to be mediocre. 

At some point you can only move so many pieces before the spotlight falls on you.

We’re approaching that now with Pearson. 

I’m still of the opinion he’s the man long term, this is not a NP out rant. But to my mind, it’s becoming a bit, “I’ll change this to disguise this”. 
 

He should have made an impact by now. In drives and drabs he has, but there should be more improvement.  

Edited October 24, 2021 by cityloyal473

[cidered abroad]

35 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

All a bit mysterious sounding.
 

Feels to me, like we are rapidly reaching a watershed moment in Pearson’s career here. I like him, think that it’s a long job and he’s the man for it.

But I have a creeping feeling that everything is someone’s else’s fault and he’s deflecting blame. Lets hope I’m proven wrong and he really is identifying problems, fixing them and setting something up for the greater good. 

Why were they both in England jobs? Great coaches technically?

Or not hard enough with players? Too chummy with them?

Maybe a bit like Holden with such as Paterson?

[cityloyal473]

4 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Why were they both in England jobs? Great coaches technically?

Or not hard enough with players? Too chummy with them?

Maybe a bit like Holden with such as Paterson?

I’m assuming in under 21s you get to work with cream of crop every couple of months and the coaching side is to some respects a bit redundant. You have minimal Time to make any impact.
Full time championship you HAVE to make a change, you have to impact those players. You’ve got to get those players to change. You have to motivate them and inspire them everyday.
 

(Having said that Simpson did ok at Carlisle, so the above may be moot).