Paul Simpson and Keith Downing have left

[Street red]

I personally think it was a case of prove to me that your good enough to be here, I think they should of gone in the summer and quite honestly they've brought nothing to improve things on the coaching side.. Maybe to soft to pally with players just like holden but Pearson is right don't want to be here then leave just wish a couple of players would come forward and say that as well we need clear out!!

[exAtyeoMax]

9 hours ago, billywedlock said:

Agree that this should have been done in the summer . There is a lot wrong at the club and the correcting of Ashtons mess is proving more painful than anticipated . It is a time to be brave. If the true story ever came out the fans might be more accommodating 

Hopefully it will. Sometimes it's better to be honest and upfront about the situation. Too much secrecy just causes problems.

[harvey54]

On 22/10/2021 at 11:19, pillred said:

Mix 2 parts sand to 1 of cement.

6 to 1 for brickwork though 

[mattjb]

8 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

6 to 1 for brickwork though 

Unless building houses in Bradley Stoke then more like 10 to 1

[mozo]

8 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

I consider that the worst one was the Doherty management in 1958 when he created a totally split squad due to an inability to understand that a promise from HD was sacrosanct. Relegation followed that event and it is possible that the same will happen this time.

Sounds like an interesting time, feel free to expand on that 

[Davefevs]

Just wondering, could either Simpson or Downing have been offered the u23s / Academy role as Nige liked what he saw from Alex Ball?

[Port Said Red]

On 24/10/2021 at 22:38, mozo said:

Sounds like an interesting time, feel free to expand on that 

It's before me time so @cidered abroad may have a fuller story, but I seem to remember from the HD book that it was to do with summer pay, which I think HD had promised would remain the same as winter pay? Doherty tried to go back on that agreement.

There was also some issues around the Irish players he signed and sectarianism? 

[Lrrr]

Simpson seemingly a contender for the Carlisle job, sky bet have him as 5th favourite. Perhaps he wants to find a job as head coach, Nigel has said if you’re not here committed you can leave. 

[Lrrr]

10 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Just wondering, could either Simpson or Downing have been offered the u23s / Academy role as Nige liked what he saw from Alex Ball?

I think Pearson & Ball’s style of football matches quite well, if Ball does step up could be Nigel wanting staff who can coach the style of play effectively.

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Lrrr said:

I think Pearson & Ball’s style of football matches quite well, if Ball does step up could be Nigel wanting staff who can coach the style of play effectively.

That’s good to know. 

[Fammyfan]

Thought it may have been related to the Carlisle vacancy but Millen has been given the job there.

[The Original OTIB]

12 minutes ago, Fammyfan said:

Thought it may have been related to the Carlisle vacancy but Millen has been given the job there.

Strange job for Millen that.

[Charlie BCFC]

Personally I hope this whole thing is that PS and KD came in as assistants under Holden and Pearson coming in means he’s going to want his own assistant which I’m surprised he took so long to appoint. Remember something similar happened when McInnes came in with Wigley

[Henry]

It’s gone a bit quiet on Downing? Assumed he would have left on Monday.

[cidered abroad]

On 25/10/2021 at 23:32, Port Said Red said:

It's before me time so @cidered abroad may have a fuller story, but I seem to remember from the HD book that it was to do with summer pay, which I think HD had promised would remain the same as winter pay? Doherty tried to go back on that agreement.

There was also some issues around the Irish players he signed and sectarianism? 

I know nothing about the last sentence. In fact if memory is correct he signed Irishman Tommy Casey in March 1959 and he lasted at City until 1963 so I would not think that he was a problem in that respect. Dermot Curtis, the Republic of Ireland centre forward had left before Doherty arrived.

He brought in Gordon Hopkinson, born in Sheffield, to replace the aged Ginger Peacock at right back. Also Roger Collinson, born South Yorkshire, another right back. The other two signed were John McCann, born Glasgow but no indication on religion found and Malcolm Graham, born in South Yorkshire. I never heard during this time about any racist, religious problems with the dressing room. In fact the split dressing room only became public knowledge, as far as I know, a couple of years after Doherty left the Club.

 

[Bristol Rob]

Mods - please merge with whatever thread this is supposed to be in.

[Greedo]

Other one gone now too.

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/downing-leaves-city/

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Greedo

[pl00peh91]

The final line was most interesting: “The club are not currently recruiting for replacements”

[Henry]

And not recruiting for replacements.

[P'head Red]

2 minutes ago, Henry said:

And not recruiting for replacements.

This is surprising

[Kid in the Riot]

Bye Ken, we'll never forget you 

[Dave L]

I suspect 'currently ' is the operative word there

 

[Unan]

2 months to appoint the 3 and they’re all gone in a year, laughable 

[BCFC Grim]

Just now, Marcus Aurelius said:

2 months to appoint the 3 and they’re all gone in a year, laughable 

More cracking appointments. Unbelievable they were both given the jobs in the first place.

[BS15_RED]

I’m wondering if they’re waiting for Craig Shakespeare to become available, he’s done the rounds with NP.

[David Brent]

The forwards will be relieved, if those Robins Uncut videos are anything to go by 

[!james]

Next passenger off the bus...

[Bris Red]

33 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

2 months to appoint the 3 and they’re all gone in a year, laughable 

A disgrace but it was a disgrace that was more than pointed out by plenty of us at the time. Complete buffoons that run this football club!

[Hampshire reds]

i would have thought letting Paul and Keith leave the club a replacement would have been lined up. Good luck to you both for the future. 

[Tin Soldier]

All this just goes to show what a shambles Bristol City has been in. Shocking.

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

i would have thought letting Paul and Keith leave the club a replacement would have been lined up. Good luck to you both for the future. 

How many coaches do we need?!

[The Original OTIB]

4 minutes ago, !james said:

Next passenger off the bus...

Er, under the bus surely. When are we gonna learn to park this bloody bus at home when leading I wonder?

[BCFC Grim]

3 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said:

All this just goes to show what a shambles Bristol City has been in. Shocking.

I'd love to know how we are thought off in the footballing world. 

Amateurish I'd imagine.

[petehinton]

no comment from Pearson in either statement for them leaving says all you need to know 

[The Original OTIB]

Just now, petehinton said:

no comment from Pearson in either statement for them leaving says all you need to know 

He's not a hugger ...

[pl00peh91]

[Port Said Red]

4 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

I know nothing about the last sentence. In fact if memory is correct he signed Irishman Tommy Casey in March 1959 and he lasted at City until 1963 so I would not think that he was a problem in that respect. Dermot Curtis, the Republic of Ireland centre forward had left before Doherty arrived.

He brought in Gordon Hopkinson, born in Sheffield, to replace the aged Ginger Peacock at right back. Also Roger Collinson, born South Yorkshire, another right back. The other two signed were John McCann, born Glasgow but no indication on religion found and Malcolm Graham, born in South Yorkshire. I never heard during this time about any racist, religious problems with the dressing room. In fact the split dressing room only became public knowledge, as far as I know, a couple of years after Doherty left the Club.

I just have a memory of my dad telling me that he put out a disclaimer in the local press to say he was not a Catholic or involved with any local Irish organisations? As is often the case with these things it's a secondhand report from a period many years ago... 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Port Said Red

[mozo]

Why is this happening now? 

If they were surplus to requirements, why didn't we get rid in the summer?

Has something gone wrong behind the scenes?

[2015]

I will never know how we managed to have a coaching team of Holden/Downing/Simpson after a month without a Manager, when LJ left us in more than an adequate position for a proven manager to push us on.

To me it will be a huge turning point in the History of this club over the next decade. A huge c*** up similar to the club choosing Pulis over Moyes. It has set this club back years

[2015]

3 minutes ago, mozo said:

Why is this happening now? 

If they were surplus to requirements, why didn't we get rid in the summer?

Has something gone wrong behind the scenes?

I get the feeling it was NP assessing whether the pair were up for the job and has seen that they aren't good enough and gave them a fair chance. That's how I'm looking at it anyway

[Bristol Oil Services]

20 minutes ago, pl00peh91 said:

Like Joe, Mick and Paul in 1976, down that back alley in West London, ass they're about to rock the/our world. And they know it....

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, 2015 said:

I will never know how we managed to have a coaching team of Holden/Downing/Simpson after a month without a Manager, when LJ left us in more than an adequate position for a proven manager to push us on.

To me it will be a huge turning point in the History of this club over the next decade. A huge c*** up similar to the club choosing Pulis over Moyes. It has set this club back years

And it appears that it’s another decision needed to move us forward in the plan.

[Dynamite Red]

29 minutes ago, pl00peh91 said:

Three great humans though!

[Mr Yoda]

Bye then 

[Fpcity]

Could any of the players step in assisting the coaching? Only 1 I could think of is Danny Simpson, maybe he was signed with one eye on that? 

[Ronnie Sinclair]

53 minutes ago, pl00peh91 said:

Holden should have been sacked just for wearing one of MA’s old suits and shoes 

[RedorDead BCFC]

17 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

Could any of the players step in assisting the coaching? Only 1 I could think of is Danny Simpson, maybe he was signed with one eye on that? 

Hope he don’t coach on back passes 

[Street red]

1 hour ago, pl00peh91 said:

That's stand up comedy right there

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

1 hour ago, mozo said:

Why is this happening now? 

If they were surplus to requirements, why didn't we get rid in the summer?

Has something gone wrong behind the scenes?

the football coaching mainly

[Street red]

1 hour ago, 2015 said:

I get the feeling it was NP assessing whether the pair were up for the job and has seen that they aren't good enough and gave them a fair chance. That's how I'm looking at it anyway

I think this season is exactly that a test run not just for coaching staff but players to,COVID played a massive part last year he will get it right just needs to finish the jigsaw and put those pieces in place.

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

I just have a memory of my dad telling me that he put out a disclaimer in the local press to say he was not a Catholic or involved with any local Irish organisations? As is often the case with these things it's a secondhand report from a period many years ago... 

Why did your father do that?

Was he concerned about not being accepted in a B&B in Weston-super-Mare?

Don't tell me he had a dog as well!

[redsquirrel]

if they are not being replaced,will fleming do it all or has nige decided its time to do it himself for the results he wants??   thought i read previously him saying he didnt do much/take part much in the training etc??

[Phileas Fogg]

2 hours ago, pl00peh91 said:

What a ridiculous appointment Holden was. Nice guy I'm sure.. but he posts (unironic) Instagram stories featuring Tom Zanetti. That tells you everything you need to know really. Even the shoes in this picture are a total giveaway !!

[Merrick's Marvels]

On 25/10/2021 at 23:32, Port Said Red said:

It's before me time so @cidered abroad may have a fuller story, but I seem to remember from the HD book that it was to do with summer pay, which I think HD had promised would remain the same as winter pay? Doherty tried to go back on that agreement.

There was also some issues around the Irish players he signed and sectarianism? 

It's in the Atyeo biography. A lot went pear shaped that season, including a split in the dressing room. There are suggestions that, amongst other things, religion may have been a factor but from the ouside looking in and from a distance of 60 odd years, a simple: The established players .v. The manager's new signings seems more likely. Doherty was an unorthodox manager and it's fair to say the established players didn't take to some of his unusual methods (I have that from one of the established players in that dressing room at the time).     

Edited October 27, 2021 by Merrick's Marvels

[Monkeh]

They already have been replace Alex ball was promoted to replace them

[redsquirrel]

1 minute ago, Monkeh said:

They already have been replace Alex ball was promoted to replace them

cheers

[Hampshire reds]

Alex Ball been promoted has that been confirmed or was that a temporary move to take in the WBA game.  

[Merrick's Marvels]

2 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

Like Joe, Mick and Paul in 1976, down that back alley in West London, ass they're about to rock the/our world. And they know it....

You'd guess it was wouldn't you, or maybe under the Westway, but I think it was actually Camden Market!

2 hours ago, mozo said:

Why is this happening now? 

If they were surplus to requirements, why didn't we get rid in the summer?

Has something gone wrong behind the scenes?

Because things aren't going to plan, our direction of travel is downward (or stalled if you're feeling generous), there's no money to spend, the manager isn't having the impact he hoped for and things are slowly getting desperate, so this is a final roll of the dice in an attempt to stave off a relegation dogfight.   

Edited October 27, 2021 by Merrick's Marvels

[Loosey Boy]

2 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

Alex Ball been promoted has that been confirmed or was that a temporary move to take in the WBA game.  

Just for WBA game…..won’t be permanent 

[Merrick's Marvels]

3 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Bye Ken, we'll never forget you 

Sadly, this is true. 

[Lrrr]

54 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

Alex Ball been promoted has that been confirmed or was that a temporary move to take in the WBA game.  

The fact that no replacement is being sought combined with Micky Bell's addition to the academy on a full time basis would indicate its not just a short thing, if Micky was just filling in there would be no need to announce it

[RedM]

There has been some restructuring of the non playing/ non coaching staff regarding the first team this week too. People who work on the logistics at the HPC and matchday home and away. I don’t think anyone has left but people have been shuffled around or given new titles.

[Major Isewater]

The big disappointment with these two guys was the complete lack of quality loans for the England players they knew and worked with. 
Many of us thought that we’d get one or two ‘ Tammy ‘ type loans in. 

[Hampshire reds]

I wish Paul and Keith well for the future. I hope Paul is recovering well from his illness. We need a top coach to come in to help this team. I keep reading about a plan. Sorry if i have missed something as i dont see any sign of a plan. At the moment we are in free fall. I dont get why people have so much faith in Nige.  Correct me if i have this wrong but we have one 6 games since he has been here the first win paul and Keith were in charge and the Peterborough win he was at home. I dont want to be negative but facts are facts. For me when Dean left the coaches should have gone also. I get nige came into a mess but 17 home games without a win. That is dreadful. So can someone tell me what is the plan. Hopefully Paul and Keith get jobs soon as both come over as a couple of nice guys.

 

[Out of his pie crust]

1 hour ago, Hampshire reds said:

I wish Paul and Keith well for the future. I hope Paul is recovering well from his illness. We need a top coach to come in to help this team. I keep reading about a plan. Sorry if i have missed something as i dont see any sign of a plan. At the moment we are in free fall. I dont get why people have so much faith in Nige.  Correct me if i have this wrong but we have one 6 games since he has been here the first win paul and Keith were in charge and the Peterborough win he was at home. I dont want to be negative but facts are facts. For me when Dean left the coaches should have gone also. I get nige came into a mess but 17 home games without a win. That is dreadful. So can someone tell me what is the plan. Hopefully Paul and Keith get jobs soon as both come over as a couple of nice guys.

 

Plan: stay up and improve next season

[054123]

Just now, Out of his pie crust said:

Plan: stay up and improve next season

Bingo!

[Tinmans Love Child]

8 minutes ago, Out of his pie crust said:

Plan: stay up and improve next season

Agreed this is all about steadying the ship, sorting a few things out behind the scenes, shipping out the dead wood, then hitting it hard next season

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

28 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Agreed this is all about steadying the ship, sorting a few things out behind the scenes, shipping out the dead wood, then hitting it hard next season

Steadying the ship?  At the moment we’re sinking like a stone.  If by ‘sorting a few things out’ you mean ‘halt our disastrous home run and get the team playing well and reversing our inevitable slide towards relegation’, then I’m completely with you!

[Redrascal2]

2 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

I wish Paul and Keith well for the future. I hope Paul is recovering well from his illness. We need a top coach to come in to help this team. I keep reading about a plan. Sorry if i have missed something as i dont see any sign of a plan. At the moment we are in free fall. I dont get why people have so much faith in Nige.  Correct me if i have this wrong but we have one 6 games since he has been here the first win paul and Keith were in charge and the Peterborough win he was at home. I dont want to be negative but facts are facts. For me when Dean left the coaches should have gone also. I get nige came into a mess but 17 home games without a win. That is dreadful. So can someone tell me what is the plan. Hopefully Paul and Keith get jobs soon as both come over as a couple of nice guys.

 

If we win Saturday what will  you have to post about. And if you don't mean to be negative you are failing badly. You turn a topic about two coaches leaving in to your usual anti Pearson rant. Broken records come to mind.

[Hampshire reds]

So instead of saying i am negative what is your take on where the club is at the moment.