Major Isewater Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Mooted in the Post. I suppose we can’t blame NP for our wretched home form … 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Both getting six figure pay offs according to the post . I thought when Simpson left it was only a matter of time for Downing . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: Both getting six figure pay offs according to the post . I thought when Simpson left it was only a matter of time for Downing . I doubted that figure initially, but then I saw this in a report. "Some coaches are on over £150,000 a year, whilst a sports scientist at a southern Championship club is on £100,000 - and one kitman at a southern Championship club is on a reputed £56,000 annual wage." Is this why Scotty is always smiling? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I doubted that figure initially, but then I saw this in a report. "Some coaches are on over £150,000 a year, whilst a sports scientist at a southern Championship club is on £100,000 - and one kitman at a southern Championship club is on a reputed £56,000 annual wage." Is this why Scotty is always smiling? That is surely Murray. We advertised the under 23s job as a £35,000 per year job. Why is a kit man on more than that?! Cos he’s funny? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Wiltshire robin said: Both getting six figure pay offs according to the post . I thought when Simpson left it was only a matter of time for Downing . Makes you wonder what their annual salaries are if that’s true. It was only a matter of time before the axe fell on them, but I have to question the club signing off those deals on big wages during the middle of a pandemic. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 53 minutes ago, tin said: Makes you wonder what their annual salaries are if that’s true. It was only a matter of time before the axe fell on them, but I have to question the club signing off those deals on big wages during the middle of a pandemic. I would imagine that they would get paid off the equivalent of 12 months salary. That seems to be about standard. And given that some players in the championship earn £20k+ PER WEEK, then £150k per annum might seem excessive compared to average earnings but in football terms it’s not so significant. You can argue that’s wrong, but that’s the economics of football as things stand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 If both coaches end up going, do we need to replace them, now that Nige has recently appointed his own Assistant Manager? Would rather we save the money and invest it in the playing side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Port Said Red said: I doubted that figure initially, but then I saw this in a report. "Some coaches are on over £150,000 a year, whilst a sports scientist at a southern Championship club is on £100,000 - and one kitman at a southern Championship club is on a reputed £56,000 annual wage." Is this why Scotty is always smiling? 2 hours ago, And Its Smith said: That is surely Murray. We advertised the under 23s job as a £35,000 per year job. Why is a kit man on more than that?! Cos he’s funny? Think it was me that posted that Luke Williams’s job was being advertised at that salary. As for Simmo and Keith I doubt they’re on over £100k p.a. But nothing would surprise me when Ashton is agreeing contracts, but how many signings were what we fans would say were a “snip”. I suspect somewhere between £50k and £100k towards the £50k end imho. If over £100k, then I would imagine it’s their best ever gig!! FA role wasn’t really full-time, so wouldn’t have been high salary, although per hour it might’ve been more (if that makes sense). Im not sure it is Scotty, but if it was, I suspect it’s because his role is more than kitman in reality. He’s an ambassador of the club too, whether official or unofficial and does lots of other stuff too, beyond washing and laying out the kit. Edited October 23, 2021 by Davefevs 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Think it was me that posted that Luke Williams’s job was being advertised at that salary. As for Simmo and Keith I doubt they’re on over £100k p.a. But nothing would surprise me when Ashton is agreeing contracts, but how many signings were what we fans would say were a “snip”. I suspect somewhere between £50k and £100k towards the £50k end imho. If over £100k, then I would imagine it’s their best ever gig!! FA role wasn’t really full-time, so wouldn’t have been high salary, although per hour it might’ve been more (if that makes sense). Im not sure it is Scotty, but if it was, I suspect it’s because his role is more than kitman in reality. He’s an ambassador of the club too, whether official or unofficial and does lots of other stuff too, beyond washing and laying out the kit. Was doing the food bank stuff with Scott when that article came out, his words were “I’d be ******* buzzing to be on half of that” he was fairly sure it was a made up article as there was nothing to report on sport wise at that point 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: Was doing the food bank stuff with Scott when that article came out, his words were “I’d be ******* buzzing to be on half of that” he was fairly sure it was a made up article as there was nothing to report on sport wise at that point Surely he’s on more than £28k. You’ve got me feeling all sorry for him now Got to say he is such a top bloke, I know we all know it, but he is. I think we are lucky to have him. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Think it was me that posted that Luke Williams’s job was being advertised at that salary. As for Simmo and Keith I doubt they’re on over £100k p.a. But nothing would surprise me when Ashton is agreeing contracts, but how many signings were what we fans would say were a “snip”. I suspect somewhere between £50k and £100k towards the £50k end imho. If over £100k, then I would imagine it’s their best ever gig!! FA role wasn’t really full-time, so wouldn’t have been high salary, although per hour it might’ve been more (if that makes sense). Im not sure it is Scotty, but if it was, I suspect it’s because his role is more than kitman in reality. He’s an ambassador of the club too, whether official or unofficial and does lots of other stuff too, beyond washing and laying out the kit. I remember seeing the job advert when it was advertised and wondering why the salary was so low. My understanding was a lot of Murray’s role was being good in the changing room. It didn’t do much good last season and I assume he’s only good in the away dressing room! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Surely he’s on more than £28k. You’ve got me feeling all sorry for him now Got to say he is such a top bloke, I know we all know it, but he is. I think we are lucky to have him. He’s being disingenuous there I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, And Its Smith said: I remember seeing the job advert when it was advertised and wondering why the salary was so low. My understanding was a lot of Murray’s role was being good in the changing room. It didn’t do much good last season and I assume he’s only good in the away dressing room! I’ve been in the dressing room pre-match when Joe was mascot (Swindon (h) - what a night), and he is a real energy. Having said that the players are hugely pampered - “Scotty, can you cut me a pair of ankle socks”, “I can’t find my shin pad, can you find it Scotty”, etc, and he does whatever they ask. 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: He’s being disingenuous there I think Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Surely he’s on more than £28k. You’ve got me feeling all sorry for him now Got to say he is such a top bloke, I know we all know it, but he is. I think we are lucky to have him. You’d think so, either way the hours you have to put in as a kit man would probably make you net out at minimum wage anyway! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, And Its Smith said: That is surely Murray. We advertised the under 23s job as a £35,000 per year job. Why is a kit man on more than that?! Cos he’s funny? Because he's also a club ambassador. Most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBB Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Kit man is a graft, especially these days without having any YTS lads helping. Thick skin, a sense of humour and a lot of unseen work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, SBB said: Kit man is a graft, especially these days without having any YTS lads helping. Thick skin, a sense of humour and a lot of unseen work. Aren’t there one or two ladies that help him with the day to day stuff too? Does that make him a line-manager too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, tin said: I have to question the club signing off those deals on big wages during the middle of a pandemic. Money's easy to spend when it's not yours. If Ashton was paying those wages himself, something tells me he wouldn’t have been quite so generous. Edited October 23, 2021 by Merrick's Marvels 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Think it was me that posted that Luke Williams’s job was being advertised at that salary. As for Simmo and Keith I doubt they’re on over £100k p.a. But nothing would surprise me when Ashton is agreeing contracts, but how many signings were what we fans would say were a “snip”. I suspect somewhere between £50k and £100k towards the £50k end imho. If over £100k, then I would imagine it’s their best ever gig!! FA role wasn’t really full-time, so wouldn’t have been high salary, although per hour it might’ve been more (if that makes sense). Im not sure it is Scotty, but if it was, I suspect it’s because his role is more than kitman in reality. He’s an ambassador of the club too, whether official or unofficial and does lots of other stuff too, beyond washing and laying out the kit. If they signed 3 year contracts when appointed (as was rumoured) then just North of £60k a year would mean this is the sort of figure that they’re entitled to with 18 months of that left if we now sack them. Never understood why we appointed both & certainly in Downing’s case, as you’ve said previously, unlike Simpson there didn’t appear any obvious connection to Holden, suggesting that he was an Ashton appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, GrahamC said: If they signed 3 year contracts when appointed (as was rumoured) then just North of £60k a year would mean this is the sort of figure that they’re entitled to with 18 months of that left if we now sack them. Never understood why we appointed both & certainly in Downing’s case, as you’ve said previously, unlike Simpson there didn’t appear any obvious connection to Holden, suggesting that he was an Ashton appointment. I’ve no idea whether they signed “player-type” contracts for a fixed length or whether they are salaried like a normal employee. Would be strange to bring Holden in on a 12 month (rolling) contract, but then appoint his assistants on three year deals imho. In terms of manager contracts, there is no standard contract (source: LMA). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) It took 5/6 weeks to appoint Holden, Simpson and Downing. It was a farce . All of them underwhelming and all gone it seems within 15 months. What a surprise Edited October 23, 2021 by Red Army 75 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Have to say that i am very pleased that Downing and Simpson are on their way................Galton & Simpson would have been an improvement? You only have to look at he standard of organisation, defending at set pieces, level of passing, basic skill levels etc, to see that an upgrade on coaching is needed? I appreciate that the players are also culpable for the level of performances, but quality coaching staff are essential due to Nige not being a hands on manager. So it is paramount that we have top level coaches dealing with the squad on a day to day basis. And to me it is obvious that the coaching is not of a good enough standard. I wish both of them well, I am certain they will be well compensated for their average efforts, but we need some top coaches with new ideas and input to improve and motivate this squad IMHO. The High Performance Centre's standard of High Performance seems to me, NOT High enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, maxjak said: Have to say that i am very pleased that Downing and Simpson are on their way................Galton & Simpson would have been an improvement? You only have to look at he standard of organisation, defending at set pieces, level of passing, basic skill levels etc, to see that an upgrade on coaching is needed? I appreciate that the players are also culpable for the level of performances, but quality coaching staff are essential due to Nige not being a hands on manager. So it is paramount that we have top level coaches dealing with the squad on a day to day basis. And to me it is obvious that the coaching is not of a good enough standard. I wish both of them well, I am certain they will be well compensated for their average efforts, but we need some top coaches with new ideas and input to improve and motivate this squad IMHO. The High Performance Centre's standard of High Performance seems to me, NOT High enough. Set piece defending is Pat Mountain’s area fyi. Agree with Pearson needing different style of coach though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I’ve no idea whether they signed “player-type” contracts for a fixed length or whether they are salaried like a normal employee. Would be strange to bring Holden in on a 12 month (rolling) contract, but then appoint his assistants on three year deals imho. In terms of manager contracts, there is no standard contract (source: LMA). Pretty sure @Kid in the Riot suggested that this was the case at the time & also pointed out that inconsistency with Holden, which suggested we weren’t convinced from the outset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBB Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 56 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Aren’t there one or two ladies that help him with the day to day stuff too? Does that make him a line-manager too? Yeah I’m sure he has a few “laundry girls” helping him to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Set piece defending is Pat Mountain’s area fyi. Agree with Pearson needing different style of coach though. It that case he needs some Alp? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underhanded Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 In a previous job I got sight of quite a lot of sport scientist/first team coach salaries in the football league, and I can assure you most aren't paid as much as the mooted figures in that Post article. I've also got a friend who has been part of championship coaching setup's for years (working part time, whilst also holding down another full time job), and he literally couldn't afford to take on the job full time as the salary was so low. The salaries of the majority of non-playing staff is scandalous compared to how much the players get paid 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 if they both go which is understandable as nige wants his own men in. anyone have any ideas who he will bring in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, maxjak said: It that case he needs some Alp? Had to retire had probs with his pair of knees! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said: if they both go which is understandable as nige wants his own men in. anyone have any ideas who he will bring in. He’s got Fleming. Maybe he needs one more max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Had to retire had probs with his pair of knees! Surely Urals would agree that his career has had it's Rockies moments? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Phase 2 of get rid of the previous fiasco. Just the bang average players to go next. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, maxjak said: Surely Urals would agree that his career has had it's Rockies moments? He used to suffer terribly with cramp on the team bus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) If Scotty is on £56k a year then that is value for money and then some. Absolutely cracking individual and offers more around the club than many. Anyone who may begrudge a genuine club legend and a superb community individual that kind of money, and yet hero-worships some of our £10-20k A WEEK plodders (no fault of their own they were bought), needs a reality check. Edited October 23, 2021 by TomThumb84 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 32 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Maybe he needs one more max O’Leary not sufficient then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I suppose we will know shortly if Downing was on the bus or under it along with 1 or 2 players maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Simpson and Downing leaving was absolutely nailed on from the second Pearson walked through the door. This has been done in a very sensitive and slow way, as much of our rebuild has to be done for a couple of reasons. 1) They are both thoroughly decent guys and coaches with good pedigree pre-us who were sold a dummy by the club; 2) Getting shot of them immediately as was surely part of NP’s plan and agreement to sign a 3 year deal would further compound and be further admission that the appointment of Holden and all associated with it through Ashton was an absolutely unforgivable shambles all under Lansdowns direction and accountability. Good luck to both PS and KD, but another part of our horrendous recent history re-booted. Edited October 23, 2021 by TomThumb84 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Aren’t there one or two ladies that help him with the day to day stuff too? Does that make him a line-manager too? youd like to think so Dave. can you imagine scotty measuring out the aerial in the soap drawer? he'd just chuck the box in the drum with the kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, maxjak said: Surely Urals would agree that his career has had it's Rockies moments? And he's had to watch so many men dip below accepted standards in recent times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 45 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said: I suppose we will know shortly if Downing was on the bus or under it along with 1 or 2 players maybe. Downing not there, Gregor has tweeted. Alex ball there instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Loosey Boy said: If both coaches end up going, do we need to replace them, now that Nige has recently appointed his own Assistant Manager? Would rather we save the money and invest it in the playing side. The “savings” are so minimal as to be worthless for any investment in the squad. We might get one half decent loanee and cover his wages for their wages. But i imagine they will be replaced which makes that moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: can you imagine scotty measuring out the aerial in the soap drawer? euphemism? 9 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Downing not there, Gregor has tweeted. Alex ball there instead Did wonder that with Bell coming into Academy this week. Might be temporary, but kudos to Alex if it becomes permanent. Lovely lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Maybe he needs one more max O’Leary not sufficient then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Major Isewater said: O’Leary not sufficient then? You made that joke already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: euphemism? He plays a wind instrument as well ? Edited October 23, 2021 by Major Isewater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: You made that joke already! That was in another dimension of time. Sadly no one will laugh at it there either. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrob Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Had to retire had probs with his pair of knees! And moved to St Helen's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: euphemism? Did wonder that with Bell coming into Academy this week. Might be temporary, but kudos to Alex if it becomes permanent. Lovely lad. Is he a good enough coach though Dave. Listening on the radio but we sound like we’ve downed tools again . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, redrob said: And moved to St Helen's Sorry.............but Dave's cracker deserved a much wittier response? I think we will put that down as a WHOOSH! 4/10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 11 hours ago, And Its Smith said: That is surely Murray. We advertised the under 23s job as a £35,000 per year job. Why is a kit man on more than that?! Cos he’s funny? I’d want at least that for a kitman job, when you think about everything they do and the hours involved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lrrr said: I’d want at least that for a kitman job, when you think about everything they do and the hours involved Doesn`t he have to drive a van to away games so he`s there before the team to get everything laid out and presumably then has to wait until the team have left after the game before he can collect the kits and drive back? Not too bad if it`s Reading on a Saturday but Boro on a Tuesday night not so much! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Doesn`t he have to drive a van to away games so he`s there before the team to get everything laid out and presumably then has to wait until the team have left after the game before he can collect the kits and drive back? Not too bad if it`s Reading on a Saturday but Boro on a Tuesday night not so much! Yeah, kitman are usually there 90 mins before a team arrives to set up everything, not just shirts and shorts. As you say then collect everything and often when back at stadium start the washing then to get stuff turned around if next game is soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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