maxjak Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) The Man Utd v Liverpool game yesterday highlighted to a degree part of our ongoing problems. Liverpool were a well oiled machine, a team in every sense of the word, and so much more than their individual parts? They had been organised and coached to a level that made them almost impossible to contain, yes their individual players are all wonderfully talented, but the secret is in their cohesion and understanding of each other and the roles they inhabit. Man Utd were also blessed with a squad of superb talent and ability, the difference being, how badly they had been coached and organised as a functioning unit? Players of undoubted talent were outplayed and outmanourved by a Liverpool team that despite a couple of changes in personel were so well set up and disciplined, it did not matter exactly who the individuals were ( as long as they had the required ability) as they were so well coached and set up that they over ran a disparate Man utd bunch of individuals. Bristol City's major problem is the way they are being coached, their is undoubtedly enough talent and skill in our squad to do so much better, if we we were organised and set up in a consistent pattern of tactics &. identity I am desperately hoping that with the dismissal of Simpson and Downing, that the plan is to introduce a new coach or coaches that have sufficient talent and know how to drum into our squad the means to play as a team, as a collective unit? It should have happened months ago....but better late than never Eh? If of course this all about a cost cutting exercise and we intend to retain and promote from within, then I would be deeply concerned about our prospects for the rest of the season. FFS sort it out Nige, or the 2nd year of your 3 year plan will be in Division 1? Edited October 25, 2021 by maxjak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, maxjak said: Bristol City's major problem is the way they are being coached, their is undoubtedly enough talent and skill in our squad to do so much better, if we we were organised and set up in a consistent pattern of tactics &. identity I am desperately hoping that with the dismissal of Simpson and Downing, that the plan is to introduce a new coach or coaches that have sufficient talent and know how to drum into our squad the means to play as a team, as a collective unit? It should have happened months ago....but better late than never Eh? If of course this all about a cost cutting exercise and we intend to retain and promote from within, then I would be deeply concerned about our prospects for the rest of the season. FFS sort it out Nige, or the 2nd year of your 3 year plan will be in Division 1? You may have guessed from countless posts of mine that unless you have something consistent to judge against, it’s very difficult to understand what is working and what isn’t. That’s not just the manager in deciding tactics, personnel for a game but the players themselves. As for the coaches, I guess we will know more this week. Nige’s BBCRB interview makes Downing’s position untenable, so can only be final agreement of his pay-off. When you hear “he needs to decide whether he wants to be here or not”, I only hear that as a combo of Nige doesn’t want him, Downing wants to go. Bit of a mess, but rebuilds are gonna have some awkward moments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 48 minutes ago, Davefevs said: As for the coaches, I guess we will know more this week. Nige’s BBCRB interview makes Downing’s position untenable, so can only be final agreement of his pay-off. When you hear “he needs to decide whether he wants to be here or not”, I only hear that as a combo of Nige doesn’t want him, Downing wants to go. Possibly Downing is not happy with his mate being sacked so is considering his position, which would be consistent with Nige's words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partridge is a robin Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 21 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: All experienced managers with proven success pass their sell-by dates at some stage. Clearly Cardiff City felt that Mick McCarthy had passed his, even though his record last season was outstanding. Pearson, on the other hand, had a dreadful start and his team have only shown limited improvement this season. The question is at what point you decide that change is needed to avoid the unthinkable relegation. I believe we have a squad that can stay up, but someone needs to get the best out of them and Pearson sure as hell isn’t at the moment. If we pick up fewer than four points against Barnsley, Birmingham and Coventry, for instance, do we still do nothing? Will someone please tell me what Pearson is actually doing at the moment that instils such faith in people? If we do sack pearson where will we go from there? Are there any candidates in mind? I know things arent great but i think pearson deserves at least a full season...unless perhaps we're in bottom 3. I'd hate us to be one of those teams that constantly recycle the managers position and get through like 5 managers in 3 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 23/10/2021 at 21:50, JoeAman08 said: Yep and it is worrying. Even more so when it seems SL is so bought in that NP is making lots of staff changes at the minute as well. Feel like making similar mistakes to the Ashton era. NP looks to have a lot of power. I do think he is clever and is assembling a much more competent staff than Ashton ever did but if he can’t get it right on the pitch, are we going to be left with a bunch of staff on new contracts and not wanted by the next guy? You do realise that Ranieri came into Leicester on his own when they won the Premier league? All the staff were appointed previously. That's why Pearson has been appointed- to build a club. We can have our opinions on his tactics etc but his record shows he is successful in the long term when given control. When appointed into an existing set up, things don't last long as he will inevitably clash with someone who has a power base. At City he seems to be working with what is here initially but will make changes as he goes along. I've always felt his role was more akin to that of a Director of Rugby who have control of a lot more than just picking the team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Bard said: You do realise that Ranieri came into Leicester on his own when they won the Premier league? All the staff were appointed previously. That's why Pearson has been appointed- to build a club. We can have our opinions on his tactics etc but his record shows he is successful in the long term when given control. When appointed into an existing set up, things don't last long as he will inevitably clash with someone who has a power base. At City he seems to be working with what is here initially but will make changes as he goes along. I've always felt his role was more akin to that of a Director of Rugby who have control of a lot more than just picking the team. If you look at his statistical record, apart from his spells at Leicester, it’s very ordinary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, The Bard said: You do realise that Ranieri came into Leicester on his own when they won the Premier league? All the staff were appointed previously. That's why Pearson has been appointed- to build a club. We can have our opinions on his tactics etc but his record shows he is successful in the long term when given control. When appointed into an existing set up, things don't last long as he will inevitably clash with someone who has a power base. At City he seems to be working with what is here initially but will make changes as he goes along. I've always felt his role was more akin to that of a Director of Rugby who have control of a lot more than just picking the team. I agree. His role here is in part to set the foundations, get the club moving forward. Someone else made a point that he might not be the “manager” when it comes to fruition. I’m of that opinion too. He’s being trusted by SL to get get the set-up right and not be conned. He’s acting in a capacity with a wider remit of manager. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, The Bard said: You do realise that Ranieri came into Leicester on his own when they won the Premier league? All the staff were appointed previously. That's why Pearson has been appointed- to build a club. We can have our opinions on his tactics etc but his record shows he is successful in the long term when given control. When appointed into an existing set up, things don't last long as he will inevitably clash with someone who has a power base. At City he seems to be working with what is here initially but will make changes as he goes along. I've always felt his role was more akin to that of a Director of Rugby who have control of a lot more than just picking the team. Maybe and I think I’d be fine with that. I almost feel he’d be better off as a DoF for us. It is on the pitch I am more concerned with. And yes staff can stay with someone new but NP is being quite quick moving on from staff hired as recently as last season. I just hope due diligence is being done on these hires. That they are happy to work here under NP or under someone else if it comes to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 13 hours ago, JoeAman08 said: Maybe and I think I’d be fine with that. I almost feel he’d be better off as a DoF for us. It is on the pitch I am more concerned with. And yes staff can stay with someone new but NP is being quite quick moving on from staff hired as recently as last season. I just hope due diligence is being done on these hires. That they are happy to work here under NP or under someone else if it comes to that. They're not his staff though. You can't exactly say they've been roaring successes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 24/10/2021 at 16:14, S25loyal said: How many haven’t been so lucky? Bury? The list is pretty short really Bury Portsmouth Ipswich Bolton Chester Darlington Hereford Derby Sheffield Wednesday I could go on if you like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrob Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Davefevs said: I agree. His role here is in part to set the foundations, get the club moving forward. Someone else made a point that he might not be the “manager” when it comes to fruition. I’m of that opinion too. He’s being trusted by SL to get get the set-up right and not be conned. He’s acting in a capacity with a wider remit of manager. I seem to remember a number of vocal moaners.. I mean posters.... Clamouring for an experienced head to be brought into the club in a role similar to Pat Lam. Give them control to build the football on and off the pitch rather than having a head coach for the on the pitch/training ground and a CEO who does everything off the pitch. Now some of those posters seem to not like what they asked for. Personally, I see a man who is very clever and is building for the long term. The application of sport psychology is there for all to see. If you can't see what is happening I'd suggest Remeber the Titans as what's happening at the moment screams of a group of people that have come out of the forming phase of group dynamics and are in the storming phase. Edited October 26, 2021 by redrob Added missing link 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hertsexile Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 There have been big improvements from last season’s shambles so I say back him. The main problem is our unbalanced squad which is the fallout from Ashtons quantity over quality strategy which has left Big Nigel with a fine mess to sort out. I also think that Mr Lansdown is also trying to do the right thing throwing money at something for a short term gain is not always the best policy. The club has to be sustainable in the long term. Paying outrageous transfer and agents fees along with players wage demands in the current situation is not the thing to do. Look what happened to us in 1982. Nigel is doing a good job in difficult times so back him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 This season is about treading water, we are doing that We have lost 3 games in a row yes, 2 of those were against the two best sides in the division and taught us a lesson, but remember those were prem players in all but name The other forest was a game we should of been out if sight in, but for poor singsong yet again from the usual suspects Sadly there is a mental issue about playing at home, this is our biggest issue and needs to be sorted, if the club hasn't employed one yet then they should be getting a psychologist in to work with the players and their mental weakness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: This season is about treading water, we are doing that We have lost 3 games in a row yes, 2 of those were against the two best sides in the division and taught us a lesson, but remember those were prem players in all but name The other forest was a game we should of been out if sight in, but for poor singsong yet again from the usual suspects Sadly there is a mental issue about playing at home, this is our biggest issue and needs to be sorted, if the club hasn't employed one yet then they should be getting a psychologist in to work with the players and their mental weakness Just one - we need a busload of ‘em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, The Bard said: They're not his staff though. You can't exactly say they've been roaring successes I don’t disagree. Just saying if results don’t improve we could be in the same situation again in the near future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, JoeAman08 said: I don’t disagree. Just saying if results don’t improve we could be in the same situation again in the near future Yeah but no. Similar in terms of results but difference now is we're in the early stages of a different set up. Holden plus the 2 stooges were clearly part of Ashton's end game. Getting rid will represent a break from the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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