Mo Salah and Bristol City - 43 Years Apart

[Curr Avon]

Forty-three years and three days to be exact. Too slow, Mo. Kevin Mabbutt beat you to it.

Here's Kevin's hat-trick at Old Trafford, from Saturday 21st October 1978. United 1 City 3. 

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by Curr Avon

[exAtyeoMax]

9 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Forty-three years and three days to be exact. Too slow, Mo. Kevin Mabbutt beat you to it.

Here's Kevin's hat-trick at Old Trafford, from Saturday 21st October 1978. United 1 City 3. 

 

I noticed the error on Twitter (only after someone pointed it out to me), #Lifebefore1992

[Major Isewater]

It’s great that we built on that…

[archie andrews]

I was there.... Man utd fans had flash Jordan badges on their denim jackets

[MarcusX]

What's the stat that's so called been beat then?

[Banjo Island]

I was there what a fantastic day great memories

[Davefevs]

So, Bristol City’s Kevin Mabbutt, Ex-Bristol Rovers’ Dennis Bailey (at QPR) and now Mo Salah.

[exAtyeoMax]

53 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

What's the stat that's so called been beat then?

LFC stated on Twitter that Mo Salah was the only opposition player to get a hat trick at Old Trafford against Man U. They do quote @premierleague in their statement though. I don't know if they are specifying that it was in the Premier League or not. I think they've forgotten that football existed before then

[Curr Avon]

41 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So, Bristol City’s Kevin Mabbutt, Ex-Bristol Rovers’ Dennis Bailey (at QPR) and now Mo Salah.

Plus Ron Davies for Southampton and Martin Peters scoring FOUR for Spurs.

[southside]

I was there, eventually,Beenys coach, had a puncture in Brum, when we did arrive at the ground all the turnstiles were locked, we knocked and they let us all in for nothing, a good day  

[CodeRed]

1 hour ago, exAtyeoMax said:

 I think they've forgotten that football existed before then

No it didn't. Football was invented in 1992 by Sky Television.

[cidered abroad]

3 hours ago, archie andrews said:

I was there.... Man utd fans had flash Jordan badges on their denim jackets

So was I. What a long time ago!

Dennis Bailey QPR, ex Rovers loan, also got three  a few years after Mabbutt. I don't know of any others until Salah.

[KegCity]

2 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

LFC stated on Twitter that Mo Salah was the only opposition player to get a hat trick at Old Trafford against Man U. They do quote @premierleague in their statement though. I don't know if they are specifying that it was in the Premier League or not. I think they've forgotten that football existed before then

Sky said first Premier League hat trick during the broadcast. Doesn't help that pre 1992 football is barely discussed in the media so the Premier League era has just become the default era of football.

[Southport Red]

I was in the Stretford end that day. Pretending to look gutted three times was insanely difficult. Luckily, the desire to remain alive provided enough motivation

[Mendip City]

Sadly I’m too young to have been there (only just!!!!).
 

Was it that blurred on the day????

I’ve watched a few games like that…. After about a dozen pints! 

[Curr Avon]

2 minutes ago, Mendip City said:

Sadly I’m too young to have been there (only just!!!!).
 

Was it that blurred on the day????

I’ve watched a few games like that…. After about a dozen pints! 

It was filmed on open-reel videotape by John Pearce using a hand-held camera, assisted by his son Jonathan.

[archie andrews]

Theres better footage of our 1 nil win in 74....

[Curr Avon]

18 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

Theres better footage of our 1 nil win in 74....

I think you mean this one' Manchester United 0 v 1 Bristol City, League Division Two Matchday 28, 1st February 1975, Season 1974-1975, Venue:Old Trafford (mufcinfo.com)

Donnie Gillies told me that he was shitting himself when he put the winner away in front of the Stretford End.

[MarcusX]

7 hours ago, KegCity said:

Sky said first Premier League hat trick during the broadcast. Doesn't help that pre 1992 football is barely discussed in the media so the Premier League era has just become the default era of football.

That does annoy me, lets stop talking about Liverpool having 19 titles then? it;s only 1 as far as I can see

[Eastendboy1965]

3 hours ago, Mendip City said:

Sadly I’m too young to have been there (only just!!!!).
 

Was it that blurred on the day????

I’ve watched a few games like that…. After about a dozen pints! 

 

3 hours ago, Mendip City said:

Sadly I’m too young to have been there (only just!!!!).
 

Was it that blurred on the day????

I’ve watched a few games like that…. After about a dozen pints! 

Yes  its poor quality but it was almost never ever seen, because luckily we managed to find a process to rescue what would have been lost forever. The original 1/4 inch film tape, recorded at the game by John Pearce, had unfortunately been badly stored for 35 years and was damaged.

The story began when Downend City and his colleagues at the City Supporters Trust found a bag of 1/4 tapes and after a time of trying to play them, they gave them to me. Although I had the 1/4 film player the tapes were unplayable, literally falling apart but through a 'miracle' we found a process to enable them to be played and identified for what they were. By 'baking them slowly in an oven' at a low temperature for several hours. Amazingly the system worked and retained the important 'backing' from the tape, it enable us to run the tapes and we discovered that on one of them John Pearce had recorded a sequence of the 50 goals scored during the 1978 season, the goals scored at every game during that of City's most successful post war season. To be able to identify each goal; the clips were watched through to identify the game and the teleprinter effect added to illustrate the clip. Thankfully all fifty goals from that season were rescued and can be seen...Hope that makes things a little clearer.. ER... as it were. 

[reddoh]

7 minutes ago, Eastendboy1965 said:

 

Yes  its poor quality but it was almost never ever seen, because luckily we managed to find a process to rescue what would have been lost forever. The original 1/4 inch film tape, recorded at the game by John Pearce, had unfortunately been badly stored for 35 years and was damaged.

The story began when Downend City and his colleagues at the City Supporters Trust found a bag of 1/4 tapes and after a time of trying to play them, they gave them to me. Although I had the 1/4 film player the tapes were unplayable, literally falling apart but through a 'miracle' we found a process to enable them to be played and identified for what they were. By 'baking them slowly in an oven' at a low temperature for several hours. Amazingly the system worked and retained the important 'backing' from the tape, it enable us to run the tapes and we discovered that on one of them John Pearce had recorded a sequence of the 50 goals scored during the 1978 season, the goals scored at every game during that of City's most successful post war season. To be able to identify each goal; the clips were watched through to identify the game and the teleprinter effect added to illustrate the clip. Thankfully all fifty goals from that season were rescued and can be seen...Hope that makes things a little clearer.. ER... as it were. 

 

7 minutes ago, Eastendboy1965 said:

 

Yes  its poor quality but it was almost never ever seen, because luckily we managed to find a process to rescue what would have been lost forever. The original 1/4 inch film tape, recorded at the game by John Pearce, had unfortunately been badly stored for 35 years and was damaged.

The story began when Downend City and his colleagues at the City Supporters Trust found a bag of 1/4 tapes and after a time of trying to play them, they gave them to me. Although I had the 1/4 film player the tapes were unplayable, literally falling apart but through a 'miracle' we found a process to enable them to be played and identified for what they were. By 'baking them slowly in an oven' at a low temperature for several hours. Amazingly the system worked and retained the important 'backing' from the tape, it enable us to run the tapes and we discovered that on one of them John Pearce had recorded a sequence of the 50 goals scored during the 1978 season, the goals scored at every game during that of City's most successful post war season. To be able to identify each goal; the clips were watched through to identify the game and the teleprinter effect added to illustrate the clip. Thankfully all fifty goals from that season were rescued and can be seen...Hope that makes things a little clearer.. ER... as it were. 

Must be good if you posted it twice

[BS4 on Tour...]

8 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

So was I. What a long time ago!

Dennis Bailey QPR, ex Rovers loan, also got three  a few years after Mabbutt. I don't know of any others until Salah.

Peter Ndlovu? To be fair though, I think the commentator was talking about Liverpool players who’d scored hatricks at Old Trafford ...

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Peter Ndlovu? To be fair though, I think the commentator was talking about Liverpool players who’d scored hatricks at Old Trafford ...

Think it was PL hatricks at OT.

[BS4 on Tour...]

8 hours ago, KegCity said:

Sky said first Premier League hat trick during the broadcast. Doesn't help that pre 1992 football is barely discussed in the media so the Premier League era has just become the default era of football.

No, Sky commentator was talking about Liverpool players who’d scored hatricks against Man Utd - and they mentioned a geezer from the 1930s - so they were obviously talking about pre premier league history ...

[BS4 on Tour...]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Think it was PL hatricks at OT.

Don’t think so, cos they mentioned Dirk Kuyt’s hatrick vs Man Yoo at Anfield in the same sentence - and they also mentioned a geezer from the 1930s - so pre premier league 

Edited October 25, 2021 by BS4 on Tour...

[Curr Avon]

18 hours ago, Eastendboy1965 said:

 

Yes  its poor quality but it was almost never ever seen, because luckily we managed to find a process to rescue what would have been lost forever. The original 1/4 inch film tape, recorded at the game by John Pearce, had unfortunately been badly stored for 35 years and was damaged.

The story began when Downend City and his colleagues at the City Supporters Trust found a bag of 1/4 tapes and after a time of trying to play them, they gave them to me. Although I had the 1/4 film player the tapes were unplayable, literally falling apart but through a 'miracle' we found a process to enable them to be played and identified for what they were. By 'baking them slowly in an oven' at a low temperature for several hours. Amazingly the system worked and retained the important 'backing' from the tape, it enable us to run the tapes and we discovered that on one of them John Pearce had recorded a sequence of the 50 goals scored during the 1978 season, the goals scored at every game during that of City's most successful post war season. To be able to identify each goal; the clips were watched through to identify the game and the teleprinter effect added to illustrate the clip. Thankfully all fifty goals from that season were rescued and can be seen...Hope that makes things a little clearer.. ER... as it were. 

And here's how they were restored Kevin Mabbutt hat-trick against Manchester United EIAJ video reel restored and digitised | greatbear audio and video digitising (thegreatbear.net) by Greatbear.

[sugarwray]

The Manchester United historian has confirmed that prior to Mohammed Salah the last players to score hat-tricks for away sides at Old Trafford in the League were Dennis Bailey and before that Kevin Mabbutt.

Manchester United 0 v 5 Liverpool, Premiership Matchday 09, 24th October 2021, Season 2021-2022, Venue:Old Trafford (mufcinfo.com)

 Mohamed Salah 1st player to score a opponent hat- trick at Old Trafford since Read Madrid's Ronaldo 12', 50', 59' on 23/04/2003, last player to score an opponent hat-trick at Old Trafford in a League match was QPR's Dennis Bailey 5', 58', 86' on 01/01/1992.

 

 

[cidered abroad]

I was there. Absolute heaven.

[Curr Avon]

5 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

I was there. Absolute heaven.

Fantastic. The attendance was 47,000, any idea how many City fans travelled?

[cidered abroad]

12 hours ago, Curr Avon said:

Fantastic. The attendance was 47,000, any idea how many City fans travelled?

Not a clue. No segregation. Away fans were usually spread out on all sides, possibly not at Stretford End. So hearing a lone voice in 47,000 is difficult.

This was our second win at Old Trafford in four seasons.

That was the day that I lost any respect and affection for Man U. The boy who cried all night after Munich, had grown up. Their manager Docherty, slagged City terribly to cover up their inadequacies.

Donnie Gillies specialised in winning away games 1-0. Remember  also Leeds!!!

[archie andrews]

8 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

Not a clue. No segregation. Away fans were usually spread out on all sides, possibly not at Stretford End. So hearing a lone voice in 47,000 is difficult.

This was our second win at Old Trafford in four seasons.

That was the day that I lost any respect and affection for Man U. The boy who cried all night after Munich, had grown up. Their manager Docherty, slagged City terribly to cover up their inadequacies.

Donnie Gillies specialised in winning away games 1-0. Remember  also Leeds!!!

pretty sure there was segregation...we were sat in the scoreboard end above the city fans below but couldnt really tell how many were there 

[sugarwray]

On 25/10/2021 at 21:27, Eastendboy1965 said:

 

Yes  its poor quality but it was almost never ever seen, because luckily we managed to find a process to rescue what would have been lost forever. The original 1/4 inch film tape, recorded at the game by John Pearce, had unfortunately been badly stored for 35 years and was damaged.

The story began when Downend City and his colleagues at the City Supporters Trust found a bag of 1/4 tapes and after a time of trying to play them, they gave them to me. Although I had the 1/4 film player the tapes were unplayable, literally falling apart but through a 'miracle' we found a process to enable them to be played and identified for what they were. By 'baking them slowly in an oven' at a low temperature for several hours. Amazingly the system worked and retained the important 'backing' from the tape, it enable us to run the tapes and we discovered that on one of them John Pearce had recorded a sequence of the 50 goals scored during the 1978 season, the goals scored at every game during that of City's most successful post war season. To be able to identify each goal; the clips were watched through to identify the game and the teleprinter effect added to illustrate the clip. Thankfully all fifty goals from that season were rescued and can be seen...Hope that makes things a little clearer.. ER... as it were. 

Of course the quality is below standard but i really appreciate the effort. Is there a link to other video footage similarly saved? In particular the first 1976/7 home fixture vs Stoke City was my first City game and I don’t recall ever watching footage of the game.

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, sugarwray said:

Of course the quality is below standard but i really appreciate the effort. Is there a link to other video footage similarly saved? In particular the first 1976/7 home fixture vs Stoke City was my first City game and I don’t recall ever watching footage of the game.

I suspect it has been erased - horrible memories for everyone present, as that was the match in which Paul Cheesley suffered his career ending injury.

I was right behind it in the Open End.

[sugarwray]

17 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I suspect it has been erased - horrible memories for everyone present, as that was the match in which Paul Cheesley suffered his career ending injury.

I was right behind it in the Open End.

I was also in the open end. My mum took me and we followed the crowds and ended up in the “away” corner of the open end. Stoke fans were vastly outnumbered by City fans. Other than the horror injury I remember how green the grass was. City claimed they were only using bath water during the 76 hosepipe ban.

[Curr Avon]

18 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I suspect it has been erased - horrible memories for everyone present, as that was the match in which Paul Cheesley suffered his career ending injury.

I was right behind it in the Open End.

Its referred to in the Paul Cheesely edition of HTV's 'Flashback for the Fans'

(from 14:50).

You see Paul helped from the pitch (not stretchered) by Bill Tovey and Les Bardsley, then candidly mention in a subsequent interview that he's done this before and expects to be out for two weeks.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Curr Avon

[Eastendboy1965]

On 28/10/2021 at 22:18, sugarwray said:

Of course the quality is below standard but i really appreciate the effort. Is there a link to other video footage similarly saved? In particular the first 1976/7 home fixture vs Stoke City was my first City game and I don’t recall ever watching footage of the game.

I've looked into this for you but unfortunately, the Stoke 76'77 home game was not featured in the section of film tapes that we were able to save and recreate, but HTV did show the clip of his injury walk off.  'Curr Avon' has shown us earlier.

As a reminder of Paul's amazing jumping ability I found this picture of him playing against York City which City won 4/1 and was in the 1976 promotion season. Thought anyone who didn't see him in action live might appreciate. 

[sugarwray]

15 hours ago, Eastendboy1965 said:

I've looked into this for you but unfortunately, the Stoke 76'77 home game was not featured in the section of film tapes that we were able to save and recreate, but HTV did show the clip of his injury walk off.  'Curr Avon' has shown us earlier.

As a reminder of Paul's amazing jumping ability I found this picture of him playing against York City which City won 4/1 and was in the 1976 promotion season. Thought anyone who didn't see him in action live might appreciate. 

Thanks for checking. I was only 11 at the time but I have some memory that this game was on Match of the Day. Great photo, including the rarely seen Y design on the York City shirts.

[Eastendboy1965]

On 31/10/2021 at 13:32, sugarwray said:

Thanks for checking. I was only 11 at the time but I have some memory that this game was on Match of the Day. Great photo, including the rarely seen Y design on the York City shirts.

Yes it was featured on Match of the day, Tom Ritchie I think got a hat trick ? My pleasure anytime.