win or out.

[Waconda]

11 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

Give it a rest. You really don't understand how difficult it is to redress the massive damage done in the last five years by the "Unmentionables".

One point above the bottom three at the end of season will be a magnificent achievement by Pearson, coaches, medical staff, playing staff and supporters.

Not this.

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Agree it is too early to sack him even if we lose the next couple. But when January starts approaching we need to see some improvement.

Jeez………..it’s almost unbelievable that some posters are thinking about sacking Nige…….…..All I can say to that is that I’m delighted that they’re not the majority share holder.

Its 3 year project ffs……..There are bound to be ups and downs particularly this season and recent results show that City are experiencing a down just now but that will change, hopefully tomorrow.

Remember (and I’m repeating myself here) that Rome wasn’t built in a day. Patience is the key.

 

[cidered abroad]

4 hours ago, TedsHeadIs Red said:

I think we can reasonably have higher expectations of NP than that. If that is his personal target then we really are in trouble.

I agree with you that we should have higher expectations than my example. But in some ways, it doesn't matter if we finish 12th, 17th, or 21st. The simple aim for this season is to not be relegated. Staying in the Championship is absolutely essential.

As for how we stay up, home wins will be essential.  And to help this task, we need another striker who will convert enough chances to help get those wins. We, SL, has enough money to buy any player on the planet. It's how we comply with FFP that will be the bit of financial genius to do it.

 

[Ska Junkie]

1 minute ago, cidered abroad said:

I agree with you that we should have higher expectations than my example. But in some ways, it doesn't matter if we finish 12th, 17th, or 21st. The simple aim for this season is to not be relegated. Staying in the Championship is absolutely essential.

As for how we stay up, home wins will be essential.  And to help this task, we need another striker who will convert enough chances to help get those wins. We, SL, has enough money to buy any player on the planet. It's how we comply with FFP that will be the bit of financial genius to do it.

 

Interesting CA and correct.

Here's a question, would you sell one of our more saleable assets, say HNM, if it meant we could get another striker and still comply with FFP?

Not having a dig, just curious as that's what it may take IMHO.

[IAmNick]

48 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

He is going nowhere whatever happens, poor performance is excused and excepted at this point for the hope that a better future is around the corner.

Owner and fans have gone all in with a coach with some history of success at this level and a perceived no nonsense pragmatic approach.

At virtually any other professional football club based purely on coaching, performances and results he would have been sacked by now BUT credit where credit is due it looks like we are sticking with him and looking to give him the tools to do a long term rebuilding job, probably increasing in pace from the Summer (FFP etc).

As poor as things are at the moment we have no option but to trust that there is a plan and we have the people in place to carry it out.

Some decent attacking football in the meantime would be nice though please, might as well have a go at winning 4-3 than what we are doing currently.

At what point do you think he'd have been sacked?

He kept us up last season.

Until the last few games we had one loss in seven and were in a very healthy position in the table.

You think "virtually any other professional football club" would have sacked him for three losses on the bounce, one to the team in third and one to the team who are top?

Maybe you're talking about coaching then? Well that's clearly been addressed recently with a fair few staff changes.

Performances are poor, but I doubt most would be sacking based on that.

Suggesting we try to win every game 4-3 is such a naive response to our problems.

[ooRya]

I can understand the whole thing about "3 year project" "sorting out the mess" £clearing the dead wood" etc, but the thing that concerns me is that, every single team that comes to Ashton Gate plays better football than us. They run the midfield playing passing football and playing out from the back.

We play kick it long and hope for the best.

If nothing else, surely the blame for that can be laid at Pearson's feet.

[Waconda]

5 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

I agree with you that we should have higher expectations than my example. But in some ways, it doesn't matter if we finish 12th, 17th, or 21st. The simple aim for this season is to not be relegated. Staying in the Championship is absolutely essential.

As for how we stay up, home wins will be essential.  And to help this task, we need another striker who will convert enough chances to help get those wins. We, SL, has enough money to buy any player on the planet. It's how we comply with FFP that will be the bit of financial genius to do it.

 

Yep good point.

Therefore lets have a go at entertaining football as we surely would gain as many points as we are now = enough to stay up.

Ticket sales, feel good (better) factor etc.

[Waconda]

4 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

At what point do you think he'd have been sacked?

He kept us up last season.

Until the last few games we had one loss in seven and were in a very healthy position in the table.

You think "virtually any other professional football club" would have sacked him for three losses on the bounce, one to the team in third and one to the team who are top?

Maybe you're talking about coaching then? Well that's clearly been addressed recently with a fair few staff changes.

Performances are poor, but I doubt most would be sacking based on that.

Suggesting we try to win every game 4-3 is such a naive response to our problems.

 

This performance would have got him sacked at virtually every other professional club, IMO.

Played - 29

Won - 6

Drawn - 7

Lost - 16

Points per game - 0.86

Not saying he should be sacked but he is receiving exceptional support that many others have not.

You have a different view which I respect.

 

[Waconda]

8 minutes ago, ooRya said:

I can understand the whole thing about "3 year project" "sorting out the mess" £clearing the dead wood" etc, but the thing that concerns me is that, every single team that comes to Ashton Gate plays better football than us. They run the midfield playing passing football and playing out from the back.

We play kick it long and hope for the best.

If nothing else, surely the blame for that can be laid at Pearson's feet.

Yep.

[IAmNick]

8 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

 

This performance would have got him sacked at virtually every other professional club, IMO.

Played - 29

Won - 6

Drawn - 7

Lost - 16

Points per game - 0.86

Not saying he should be sacked but he is receiving exceptional support that many others have not.

You have a different view which I respect.

 

Why are you counting last season and this one together? He inherited an absolutely train wreck on a short term deal to keep us up as he did successfully.

As far as I'm concerned the summer was a new start.

I'm sure there are managers who could be sat on a better PPG but not be addressing any of the problems at the club, then in a year when they get fired we're back to square one.

In less than a year we've lost our head coach, both first team coaches, CEO, COO, physio, and more. There's context here.

Edited October 29, 2021 by IAmNick

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

12 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

i wont super nige to succeed but i have not seen any sign so far. i cant believe city fans are backing him so much. mind a fair few at west brom were starting to turn. 

I fully appreciate that you're on half term but it doesn't mean you should just abandon everything you're expected to be learning.

"I want" as opposed to "i wont". A sentence should be started with a capital letter and if you want to say wont then it's won't...as in write one hundred lines:

"I won't try to copy Robbored".

[Akira]

2 hours ago, Redrascal2 said:

How about win and you clear off and we won't have to read your anti Pearson poison anymore.

Oh if that's the case, never have I wanted a home win more! 

[Davefevs]

12 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I thought you dealt in facts not sentiment, especially where stats are concerned! ! Fair play though ...

I’m able to do both, depends on my mood!

[chinapig]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I’m able to do both, depends on my mood!

With your skills you could in fact do sentiment analysis of this forum, killing 2 birds with one stone!

Though you could probably predict the results in advance.

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

Redrascal 2. This is a forum where people have opinions.If you dont agree with me then fine. But if everyone cleared off when the likes of you dont agree with something they just as well shut it down. As for using the word poison  that is a bit off. I even think Davefevs might agree with me. i did use the word might.

If you think that, care to respond to the lengthy post I wrote last night.  Do you see why I have a different view to you?

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, JonDolman said:

I'm not sure why the 'clearing the deadwood' part of the job has been seen by many as something that has made Pearson's job tougher. Seems to be something that is described as a difficult part of his job.

Not being able to clear the deadwood would have been the problem. All those contracts coming to an end was perfect for him to help him shape his squad into more like how he wants it.

There's still maybe a few he might ideally want to move on, but that's probably the same with any manager in the early days at any club.

On paper any 'mess' has already been sorted. When Pearson said we will be fine I'm sure he meant it. I expect having cleared so much in wages he would have been backed to at least bring in more frees or loans if he felt the squad weren't good enough. He wanted a smaller squad and didn't seem to be interested in loans.

The one position he didn't get was a striker and that's only because he rates Martin and Wells enough to think it costs millions bringing in better, which actually suggests he must think we have really good strikers so happy days

It’s a double edged sword.

Lets just take one made-up example….and in its simplest form:

Nige is left with Palmer (I was gonna say O’Dowda - joke!!!) so he had to let Paterson go on a free.

That really could be seen as a shit sandwich couldn’t it.

So in summary, he can’t clear the deadwood, because some of them are under contract, and because of the cluster#### of a re-contract strategy he’s lost one or two players he might’ve wanted to keep.  I’m sure he would’ve kept Walsh too (regardless of our opinions on him), but couldn’t afford to offer him what he wanted.

Inheriting a poorly balanced squad has exacerbated the issue.

And….I don’t think the mess is sorted, it’s less messy, but only because some of it is hidden away from view in the spare bedroom.

 

[Red Army 75]

I really hope we win tomorrow. 

[Waconda]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s a double edged sword.

Lets just take one made-up example….and in its simplest form:

Nige is left with Palmer (I was gonna say O’Dowda - joke!!!) so he had to let Paterson go on a free.

That really could be seen as a shit sandwich couldn’t it.

So in summary, he can’t clear the deadwood, because some of them are under contract, and because of the cluster#### of a re-contract strategy he’s lost one or two players he might’ve wanted to keep.  I’m sure he would’ve kept Walsh too (regardless of our opinions on him), but couldn’t afford to offer him what he wanted.

Inheriting a poorly balanced squad has exacerbated the issue.

And….I don’t think the mess is sorted, it’s less messy, but only because some of it is hidden away from view in the spare bedroom.

 

Walsh was never staying, no matter what we offered him - IMO.

[Waconda]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s a double edged sword.

Lets just take one made-up example….and in its simplest form:

Nige is left with Palmer (I was gonna say O’Dowda - joke!!!) so he had to let Paterson go on a free.

That really could be seen as a shit sandwich couldn’t it.

So in summary, he can’t clear the deadwood, because some of them are under contract, and because of the cluster#### of a re-contract strategy he’s lost one or two players he might’ve wanted to keep.  I’m sure he would’ve kept Walsh too (regardless of our opinions on him), but couldn’t afford to offer him what he wanted.

Inheriting a poorly balanced squad has exacerbated the issue.

And….I don’t think the mess is sorted, it’s less messy, but only because some of it is hidden away from view in the spare bedroom.

 

Same for all clubs when a new manager comes in, very few have the "option" to ditch 11 or 12 if they want though.

All clubs have players under contract the new manager wants to get rid of but is stuck with. 

 

[Davefevs]

Just now, VT05763 said:

Walsh was never staying, no matter what we offered him - IMO.

I’m sure you’re right, but it’s just another example of a player that Nige might’ve wanted to keep but couldn’t.  And another example of a shit re-contracting strategy that has hamstrung us going forward.

Clearing players from the squad and reducing wage bill / amortisation costs is good, but it doesn’t necessarily correlate to “sorting the mess out”.  That’s the point I’m trying to make.

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Same for all clubs when a new manager comes in, very few have the "option" to ditch 11 or 12 if they want though.

All clubs have players under contract the new manager wants to get rid of but is stuck with. 

 

Yep, but most aren’t having to let 10 OOC players go in the same summer.

Diedhiou is the worst example of this.  Not only going for free but taking a who years wage too.  I know the market is crap, but last summer we should’ve bit there bullet.

[Davefevs]

28 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that there was no pressure for Nige to release any of those players.

I’m sure the Lansdown family are very supportive….but without losing £10-12m of costs, he can’t go and get Atkinson, Tanner, etc.  You need to read between the lines of what is being said Jon.

I know it's just an example but I don't believe Pearson would have wanted to keep Paterson anyway. He has said a couple of times how he likes pace and power. I think he wants a team that can attack quickly when winning back possession.

He did say say Pato was very unlucky to not still be here.  Yeah, we know he likes pace and power, doesn’t mean every recruit is though….James, King, etc aren’t pace and power are they?

Yeah not completely sorted like backroom staff, recruitment etc but just based on the squad on paper I wouldn't really call it a mess, and he has brought Rennie in so that is sorting the real mess from last season imo.

It’s less of a mess, but it’s still unbalanced, lacking in quality in some places.  It’s ok though, agreed, it’s a middle eight/ten squad.  It needs to find some cohesion.  It had a bit early season, but that’s gone a bit over recent weeks.

Even last season I thought the squad looked fine when I assumed Williams and Walsh would be back soon and not knowing what was to come with injuries.

I guess we will see how he shapes his squad, and then it might show if we have a poor balance to this squad if players coming in improves it.

we need to keep evaluating our position over time as players come in, players drift out, players leave, etc.

He says a striker is the missing link. And I can't think what type that is he is after. Maybe that will change everything.

That is the position he wants power and pace.  Watching that video of the managers coming and going, I think he’d like an Akinbiyi type.  I didn’t watch much in those days, but when I did he was a right handful.  That’s what Nige wants imho.  Our strikers are a bit one-dimensional, we need strikers who do more than one thing well.

[Tin Soldier]

15 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

For me super nige has to get a win on sat. another defeat and for me changes will be needed. only my opinion. the usual ones who dont have an opinion will be giving me stick for this post. It will be 18 games which is not good enough. believe it or not i want him to be good for city but so far it is not good enough. Or have i missed something 

Attention seeking again. Boring.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Tin Soldier

[Curr Avon]

15 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

For me super nige has to get a win on sat. another defeat and for me changes will be needed. only my opinion. the usual ones who dont have an opinion will be giving me stick for this post. It will be 18 games which is not good enough. believe it or not i want him to be good for city but so far it is not good enough. Or have i missed something 

[Rocky]

15 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

For me super nige has to get a win on sat. another defeat and for me changes will be needed. only my opinion. the usual ones who dont have an opinion will be giving me stick for this post. It will be 18 games which is not good enough. believe it or not i want him to be good for city but so far it is not good enough. Or have i missed something 

IF we win tomorrow, will you **** off and never come back?

Fool.

[Southport Red]

15 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

For me super nige has to get a win on sat. another defeat and for me changes will be needed. only my opinion. the usual ones who dont have an opinion will be giving me stick for this post. It will be 18 games which is not good enough. believe it or not i want him to be good for city but so far it is not good enough. Or have i missed something 

Just out of interest, anyone who gives you stick for this post DOES have an opinion, by definition, surely?

[Redrascal2]

3 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

Redrascal 2. This is a forum where people have opinions.If you dont agree with me then fine. But if everyone cleared off when the likes of you dont agree with something they just as well shut it down. As for using the word poison  that is a bit off. I even think Davefevs might agree with me. i did use the word might.

I just thought as you want Pearson out based on tomorrow's result you might want to apply the same logic to yourself. But  anyway if we win then you will be no where to be seen anyway. And there is the problem. You do not seem prepared to be positive when we win. COYR win tomorrow if only to stop another couple of hundred Hampshire Red posts that I think everyone on the forum knows off by heart now.

[ray savino]

I get this. I also get how Hampshire Red feels. I will be fed up, have doubts, start to feel there should be a change, etc, etc, etc. We all genuinely love City and I think if we’re all honest with ourselves we are all totally frustrated, particularly having to enjoy very few periods of real promise only to endure subsequent longer periods of dashed hopes. After and still supporting this club (now my 55th season), it is not about simply accepting second best, more a case of expecting second best. This has been the pattern of supporting the team on the playing wise during this time. Some great, proud moments, some awful lows, but generally pretty mediocre stuff in second or third tier over these years.

However, for all this, I still get this often emotional, irrational hope that we will get there. It’s what makes me still go to watch, read this forum, etc. Supporting football is emotional. That’s why we love it and at the same time can resent it!

If we get poor results over the next few games but worse shit performances, then people will start to get more than twitchy. A larger number of the fanbase will start to want a change in manager. I will be frustrated, impatient (after 55 seasons - ha), and I will want a change. But if I try to logically look at the overall picture, I would have to say that at the moment it is too early to get rid. I believe we are still in the process of tearing down and looking at foundations, to that point we have to have courage to stick with it at the moment. If results get even worse by half way in the season and we’re in the bottom 3 with no improvement of performances then Nige probably knows he will be gone. He knows the score and scale of the mess the club is in football wise.

What I would be interested in from all the fellow fans on here is:

1) Do you trust the current Board to appoint a successor to Pearson, given their relative lack of success over the years, particularly not recruiting one to get us to the desired target of the Prem or play-offs (apart from 2008)? 

2) Do you think that the plan to get to the Prem is muddy, flawed, needs clarity, should change?  Do you think the board needs more Football World/streetwise expertise represented on it at Director level above the management team, who can help implement and guide the plan for the club? Should the plan be revised, torn up, or actually be communicated a bit better to the fans? Does the boardroom need a shakeup and change in dynamic before the team management? 

3) In the event of NP going, who or what type of manager should  we go for and why?

It would be good to get a picture of how people here think we can go forward and who with? 

So, I confess to thinking NP has to have more time at the moment. But I have to admit being at a bit of a loss to see where we go if this happens soon - haha you can tell by this long-winded post.

Whatever happens, I know that I’ll be full of hope again before tomorrow’s match - whether false or otherwise, and hope against all form we bloody well batter Barnsley - 1-0 will do!

[Redsi2]

I don't want to get involved in the discussion on sacking or not sacking Pearson, but can someone explain why everyone keeps saying we are broke and had to massively cut the wage bill and our finances will be screwed. Surely this logic applies to all league clubs not getting Premier League payments. Surely we are no more screwed than the majority of championship clubs. I didn't see all other clubs bin off double digit number of players in the summer. I'm not saying getting our finances in order isn't the right thing to do but are we the only club playing fair or are other clubs doing the same?

[ExiledAjax]

The thing I hate most about a thread like this is that when, inevitably, Pearson does leave us, posters like @Hampshire reds will cry that they were right all along, that they had the mystical foresight to see what no one else could see. Then they'll get on the next guys back as well.

Managers always leave eventually, and 90% of the time it's at the end of a very poor run of form. The easiest way to correctly predict anything in football is to constantly bang on about how a manager is crap.

[Davefevs]

1. Don’t know…would require Richard Gould to show his skills over and above SL/JL…and I’ve got nothing to go on in that respect yet.

2. It needs clarity, it has been mixed for a while.  Hoping the current regime have the plan.  I’d like to see a return to signing young players in the main.  More Tanner and Atkinson type signings please.

3. A good young, modern manager, backed up by a wily old, experienced one.  Not sure of the personal dynamics, but LJ needed a Nige-type, not Mark Ashton who both allowed each other to suck their own cocks and each other’s!  Excuse the language.

[Davefevs]

7 minutes ago, Redsi2 said:

I don't want to get involved in the discussion on sacking or not sacking Pearson, but can someone explain why everyone keeps saying we are broke and had to massively cut the wage bill and our finances will be screwed. Surely this logic applies to all league clubs not getting Premier League payments. Surely we are no more screwed than the majority of championship clubs. I didn't see all other clubs bin off double digit number of players in the summer. I'm not saying getting our finances in order isn't the right thing to do but are we the only club playing fair or are other clubs doing the same?

Unfortunately we are more screwed than several other clubs, because we are trying to cut costs from a stupidly high cost base, out of kilter for the club revenues, at a time when we cannot rely on transfer profit to bail out our arses.

Thats the simple maths.

If we’d not wasted so much money, we could be as competitive as a number of smaller clubs are….and they are making us look bad (Coventry, Luton for example).

Plenty of other threads where me and others go into deeper explanations.

Just like the world outside of football….some companies in a given industry are thriving, others are going bust.

[ray savino]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

That is the position he wants power and pace.  Watching that video of the managers coming and going, I think he’d like an Akinbiyi type.  I didn’t watch much in those days, but when I did he was a right handful.  That’s what Nige wants imho.  Our strikers are a bit one-dimensional, we need strikers who do more than one thing well.

Yes, I totally agree here. We need a striker who has enough about them to occupy an opposition. If anything it buys the team some time, papers over the cracks until we get better players in different positions to expand our play.

It means when all we can do is lump it forward, at least we have an outlet who might stretch the play, keep possession a bit longer, and add a genuine threat.

Look at it this way. Think back to Kodjia. Yes raw when he came, but was unpredictable to play against, had pace, skill, would take on and beat people. A defender had always to keep an eye on him. He wasn’t a target man but was a handful. Bobby Reid, skill, vision and above all energy to press defenders. Not a target man, but could lead the attack (okay in a team set up to press in its most successful times). Tammy Abraham, not a traditional target man, in fact a bit of a finisher, raw, but had positional awareness and an eye for movement. 

With Akinbiyi, all different sizes and styles, but all had attributes to worry the opposition defence at times on their own. I’d put Assombalonga (when first at Peterborough) in the same category. A fully fit and firing pre- injury Afobe too. The nearest to a traditional big CF that we could have spent money on is probably Keifer Moore, but he’s out of our range now. And I would prefer more mobility to be honest.

We are far too static, not always the forwards fault, but with the previous forwards I’ve named, you always thought there was a chance they might just do something special or out of the blue for themselves. We presently have decent forwards (no they’re not totally crap), but not one capable of worrying a defence on their own, being a truly effective focal point for our play. I think Wells would carry the best threat but is so dependent on service and team structure far more than the names listed we’ve had before.

[Davefevs]

@ray savino agree too.

I don’t think Keinan Davis is perfect, but he’s got a bit of several things in his armoury.  If he was attainable in January (now he’s back from injury), I’d make that move….obviously might be other targets too, but he’s the one that crops up a bit.

[tin]

4 hours ago, ooRya said:

I can understand the whole thing about "3 year project" "sorting out the mess" £clearing the dead wood" etc, but the thing that concerns me is that, every single team that comes to Ashton Gate plays better football than us. They run the midfield playing passing football and playing out from the back.

We play kick it long and hope for the best.

If nothing else, surely the blame for that can be laid at Pearson's feet.

Can it? Or is that the fault of the previous regime for signing a load of shit? Pearson's in credit for the transfers he's been able to do, IMO. Atkinson and Tanner will be good players in time, James is solid at this level, the others are PL title winners who can surely pass on some experience to what is a young dressing room. 

To the OP and others who want NP out if we lose tomorrow, name me someone to come in? I'm sure as hell no-one in their right mind would fancy taking us on with no cash to spend, players we can't sell, and probably having to rebuild the backroom staff again as Rennie and Fleming will leave when NP does. 

This modern era of instant gratification is complete bollocks. Whatever to having a bit of patience and offering support? Massive game tomorrow. Let's hope we get this monkey off our backs once and for all. 

[Redsi2]

12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Unfortunately we are more screwed than several other clubs, because we are trying to cut costs from a stupidly high cost base, out of kilter for the club revenues, at a time when we cannot rely on transfer profit to bail out our arses.

Thats the simple maths.

If we’d not wasted so much money, we could be as competitive as a number of smaller clubs are….and they are making us look bad (Coventry, Luton for example).

Plenty of other threads where me and others go into deeper explanations.

Just like the world outside of football….some companies in a given industry are thriving, others are going bust.

Thanks mate for your reply, so our business model of having players to sell to cover losses is clearly flawed because at some point you run out of good players to sell or the market plunges. There must be a few other clubs playing roulette like we did!!

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, Redsi2 said:

Thanks mate for your reply, so our business model of having players to sell to cover losses is clearly flawed because at some point you run out of good players to sell or the market plunges. There must be a few other clubs playing roulette like we did!!

Yep, exactly that.  In a post a while ago, I likened us to Bristol Rovers.  Everything was fine and dandy selling Stewart, Taylor, Ellington, Hayley’s, etc, etc….and over time they stopped finding their replacements….and out of the league they eventually went.  In fact when I first started looking at the finances best part of 4 seasons ago, my thought was, it’s fine selling players if you replace them well, hopefully use to money to fund 2 or 3 each time, but when you don’t you’re snookered.  That is what we’ve become, speeded up in part by covid.

There are other clubs, Derby, Wednesday, Reading, etc….all who’ve sold their ground, Birmingham who took a points penalty, Cardiff struggling now they can’t loan the likes of Ojo and Wilson.

The PP clubs are fine, the small efficient clubs like Cov and Luton are fine….it’s clubs like us and those running out of PPs that are struggling….the cumbersome, inefficient juggernauts (or juggernauts in their own minds).

Edited October 29, 2021 by Davefevs

[BS4 on Tour...]

7 hours ago, Robbored said:

You’re probably referring to 8 league defeats. There were two cup defeats in that run iirc.

Even if there was a couple of cup games in there (which there wasn’t by the way) you said you’d ‘sat through ten consecutive defeats’ - so you went to every game home and away during that run and tolerated ten consecutive defeats? Yet you constantly  complain bitterly about a tannoy?! If a tannoy can annoy you so much how did a run like that not push you over the edge?!

[MarcusX]

17 hours ago, Robbored said:

Some of us have sat through 10 consecutive defeats so I’ve no idea why you’re complaining.

When have we lost 10 games in a row? Our record is 8 

[Hampshire reds]

Rocky. lets get it right i want city to win every game. i just think a defeat and a change is needed. to say if we win will i f off. no i wont unless the police block me. so a defeat tomorrow will you still think nige is the man. The games we have in November is a worry.  If we dont win at home we are in real trouble. 

[Ronnie Sinclair]

Regardless of what stance we all take on Pearson’s merits as manager, a win tomorrow will be a massive boost to all 

[Red_Alligator]

I want to be stood outside his office when you drop by to deliver your version of justice Hampshire. 

Game of Thrones will look like Larry Grayson's Generation Game in comparison.

[Hampshire reds]

Dean Holden had a 44% win ratio.

 

Super nige so far has a 21% win ratio.

The fan base wanted rid of Dean but seem to think the world of super Nige. i wait for Davefevs and his followers to give me stick

 

[downendcity]

43 minutes ago, Red_Alligator said:

I want to be stood outside his office when you drop by to deliver your version of justice Hampshire. 

Game of Thrones will look like Larry Grayson's Generation Game in comparison.

I’d imagine the only similarity would be when Hampshire goes into his office and NP says “shut that door”!

[Davefevs]

52 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

Dean Holden had a 44% win ratio.

 

Super nige so far has a 21% win ratio.

The fan base wanted rid of Dean but seem to think the world of super Nige. i wait for Davefevs and his followers to give me stick

 

Why not have a go at replying to one of my posts?  Tell me on each point why your view is different to mine. The thing is I completely get why you have your view.  You seem to have little inclination to understand why others have a different view to yours.

For info, I didn’t want to get rid of Dean.

Do I have followers?  Whoohoo….how exciting.  Maybe it’s because I articulate my thoughts into posts that allow discussion, rather than think anyone with a different opinion is wrong.

I wait for @Hampshire redsto write a constructive reply to a post where I’ve replied to him / her.

[HappyClapper]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why not have a go at replying to one of my posts?  Tell me on each point why your view is different to mine. The thing is I completely get why you have your view.  You seem to have little inclination to understand why others have a different view to yours.

For info, I didn’t want to get rid of Dean.

Do I have followers?  Whoohoo….how exciting.  Maybe it’s because I articulate my thoughts into posts that allow discussion, rather than think anyone with a different opinion is wrong.

I wait for @Hampshire redsto write a constructive reply to a post where I’ve replied to him / her.

@Davefevs is the messiah!!

 I should know I’ve followed a few.

[Galley is our king]

16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why not have a go at replying to one of my posts?  Tell me on each point why your view is different to mine. The thing is I completely get why you have your view.  You seem to have little inclination to understand why others have a different view to yours.

For info, I didn’t want to get rid of Dean.

Do I have followers?  Whoohoo….how exciting.  Maybe it’s because I articulate my thoughts into posts that allow discussion, rather than think anyone with a different opinion is wrong.

I wait for @Hampshire redsto write a constructive reply to a post where I’ve replied to him / her.

Waiting.........

[Hampshire reds]

 Davefevs.i could reply by telling you to F off like some do to me. but what is the point. you have plenty to say which is fine that is what an open forum is all about. some on here dont start topics just like slagging fellow city fans off. in my mind that is very sad. i want super nige to be a success but up to now its been dreadful. hopefully a win tomorrow to get things going at home. i stand by what i say defeat and a change is needed. 18 games at home would be embarrassing. 

[Galley is our king]

12 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

 Davefevs.i could reply by telling you to F off like some do to me. but what is the point. you have plenty to say which is fine that is what an open forum is all about. some on here dont start topics just like slagging fellow city fans off. in my mind that is very sad. i want super nige to be a success but up to now its been dreadful. hopefully a win tomorrow to get things going at home. i stand by what i say defeat and a change is needed. 18 games at home would be embarrassing. 

Still waiting.......

[Monkeh]

9 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

Redrascal 2. This is a forum where people have opinions.If you dont agree with me then fine. But if everyone cleared off when the likes of you dont agree with something they just as well shut it down. As for using the word poison  that is a bit off. I even think Davefevs might agree with me. i did use the word might.

Opinions are like assholes, we all have one, and you happen to be a massive opinion 

[Davefevs]

27 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

 Davefevs.i could reply by telling you to F off like some do to me. but what is the point. you have plenty to say which is fine that is what an open forum is all about. some on here dont start topics just like slagging fellow city fans off. in my mind that is very sad. i want super nige to be a success but up to now its been dreadful. hopefully a win tomorrow to get things going at home. i stand by what i say defeat and a change is needed. 18 games at home would be embarrassing. 

I’m not asking you to change your opinion.

I’m asking you to read my post(s) and at least understand why I might have a different view to you.  As I’ve said before, I actually understand why you have your view.  But it seems you don’t want to understand why I have mine.

I try and be courteous in most posts I make on here.  I might occasionally be flippant.  You haven’t told me to eff off, so all is cool on that front.

I feel like Julia Roberts in Notting Hill.  “I'm also just a OTIB poster, standing in front of a another OTIB poster, asking him to understand me”

 

[Hampshire reds]

i happen to respect you and some others. its good people have opinions. have a look at a reply just above yours about arssholes. to me those comments are pathetic and sums up the person. 

[YGBjammy]

2 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

Dean Holden had a 44% win ratio.

 

Super nige so far has a 21% win ratio.

The fan base wanted rid of Dean but seem to think the world of super Nige. i wait for Davefevs and his followers to give me stick

 

Yes because one was Dean Holden and the other is Nigel Pearson? 

[PunkRockDad]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Why not have a go at replying to one of my posts?  Tell me on each point why your view is different to mine. The thing is I completely get why you have your view.  You seem to have little inclination to understand why others have a different view to yours.

For info, I didn’t want to get rid of Dean.

Do I have followers?  Whoohoo….how exciting.  Maybe it’s because I articulate my thoughts into posts that allow discussion, rather than think anyone with a different opinion is wrong.

I wait for @Hampshire redsto write a constructive reply to a post where I’ve replied to him / her.

Brilliant - I'm not alone in not wanting Holden to go!! 

[Davefevs]

22 minutes ago, PunkRockDad said:

Brilliant - I'm not alone in not wanting Holden to go!! 

I thought it was a bit of over-reaction.  He showed some inexperience, not gonna argue that.  But he also had a CEO who was looking out for himself, an owner who’d taken his eye of the ball, and a Chairman who was looking at property in Bermuda.

It did feel like it was unraveling a bit, but that was when he needed help from above, from his coaching staff and from the players.  He didn’t get it. 

[PunkRockDad]

6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I thought it was a bit of over-reaction.  He showed some inexperience, not gonna argue that.  But he also had a CEO who was looking out for himself, an owner who’d taken his eye of the ball, and a Chairman who was looking at property in Bermuda.

It did feel like it was unraveling a bit, but that was when he needed help from above, from his coaching staff and from the players.  He didn’t get it. 

I fully agree. I think inexperience was to be expected and he never got the support when needed. 

 

I think Holden will go on to prove himself as a very capable manager. I very much hope he does too. 

[Waconda]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I thought it was a bit of over-reaction.  He showed some inexperience, not gonna argue that.  But he also had a CEO who was looking out for himself, an owner who’d taken his eye of the ball, and a Chairman who was looking at property in Bermuda.

It did feel like it was unraveling a bit, but that was when he needed help from above, from his coaching staff and from the players.  He didn’t get it. 

He also had three quarters of his first choice eleven injured (medium to long term).

Won 4 and drew 1 of the first 5 with his first team and then the Mawson and Weimann injuries against Boro were the beginning of an horrendously unlucky run with injuries.

 

[redsquirrel]

11 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

Yay. My favourite time of the week!

Perhaps a new sub forum?

”Hampshire Red(s) Ramblings”?

if only Tommy was here on form to have an in depth conversation with him......

[Redrascal2]

1 hour ago, Hampshire reds said:

 Davefevs.i could reply by telling you to F off like some do to me. but what is the point. you have plenty to say which is fine that is what an open forum is all about. some on here dont start topics just like slagging fellow city fans off. in my mind that is very sad. i want super nige to be a success but up to now its been dreadful. hopefully a win tomorrow to get things going at home. i stand by what i say defeat and a change is needed. 18 games at home would be embarrassing. 

How can you write you want Nige to succeed when virtually every post turns in to a rant against him. If you want him out  that's your opinion but please don't pretend you want him to succeed. That is pure bull.

 

 

 

 

 

[Clevedon Red]

1 hour ago, HappyClapper said:

@Davefevs is the messiah!!

 I should know I’ve followed a few.

 

[ZiderEyed]

24 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

if only Tommy was here on form to have an in depth conversation with him......

@bristolcitysweden You've been summoned lad.

 

[Hampshire reds]

i want every city manager to win games. thats why i go to majority of games. just dont think this is good enough. its all about results. 17 home games really. so gobshite what is your opinion. say what you think not what for me to write something.

[Fuber]

23 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

For me super nige has to get a win on sat. another defeat and for me changes will be needed. only my opinion. the usual ones who dont have an opinion will be giving me stick for this post. It will be 18 games which is not good enough. believe it or not i want him to be good for city but so far it is not good enough. Or have i missed something 

'Don't Have An Opinion'.

If we didn't have an opinion you wouldn't be fishing. Woe is me, people disagree with me. Do you want everyone to simply agree with your view? - I which case - narcissism of the highest order, congrats.
Never mind the fact you consistently say he should be sacked if X, then say the second part in bold - which evidently is not true, otherwise there's no point to this thread, you evidently think he should be sacked.

Just say who you want to replace him, I'll wait.

A driver can't do much to save the car when the wheels have been stolen, engine's not turning over, and the brakes are seized. Just try to keep it rolling and fix things a step at a time. We need patience as a fanbase.

If that can't be managed, politely, bugger off.

Also, yet another pointless thread.

[Fuber]

1 hour ago, Redrascal2 said:

How can you write you want Nige to succeed when virtually every post turns in to a rant against him. If you want him out  that's your opinion but please don't pretend you want him to succeed. That is pure bull.

 

 

 

 

 

This.

[bpexile]

23 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I agree with the OP…..

 

ok, I was fibbing.

You got me...........................................

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

5 hours ago, billywedlock said:

The other position Nige has said we are not covered, is that of a genuine wide player, winger if you like. That, and the missing forward, as big pieces of the jigsaw missing. Antoine he has mentioned, could play in a front three, as he seems to want to play a 4-3-3 . So we are some way off the type of team he is aiming for. Atkinson looks to be a sensational signing and we are only seeing glimpses of his talent IMHO. But with Kalas we will have two of the quickest players, not just defenders, in the league. So you can sense where we are going but in midfield and up front we are missing the pace and power we saw WBA and Bournemouth have. We are in a compromised situation right now. I understood the resigning of Baker, not that of Weimann . King and Simpson are one season stop gaps. I doubt next year we will have Martin, COD, Palmer , Bakinson, Moore , Cundy (who), Vyner and maybe Wells (who has played well recently) . If I am right then maybe 8 players needed (Wells and Palmer might be saleable as their transfer fees will have been depreciated enough, wages an issue though) . But then the opportunity is real to reshape the squad. Recruitment then is key, and the thread created by Harry becomes essential . I am waiting for this , as I think with where we were , it was a squad inadequate, even if at home we should be doing better, it was a squad assembled at huge cost, but was miles off what a Prem squad would look like. WBA and Bournemouth were huge powerful sides, and they were the worst of the Prem, but looked like men vs boys with us. It shows how far off the recruitment we were. The Rennie video on the official site, demonstrates how far off we were in terms of power and intensity. So whilst I share concerns about the current situation, I also look forward. I still remain positive that we have a manager willing to play and develop young players from our ranks, that alone is such a rare commodity . People really are underestimating how brave that is for a manager. But he really believes in these guys . Pearson has also said we need to have players that have scope to develop into Prem players, and he is trying to assemble that squad (Atkinson a prime example). Some are at the club already. I like that he works with a small squad, that he wants the whole club working together (he is brilliant around the club, I was told directly by a few staff, non football, that he is exceptional) . I just like those vibes, and whilst I am as unhappy as the next fan with some of our play, i do believe we need to give him time. When it clicks we will have a young, fit, powerful and committed team . That is my take. I do not see quick fixes or any spending out of trouble, it is hard work, with a plan. I feel finally we are putting in place a setup for the Prem, before it felt like L1 club done good and making it up as we went along. When we get in place all of the elements , we will be a damn healthy club, squad and team, and will be very successful. 

Unfortunately all that could be stymied if we get relegated in the meantime…

[bpexile]

2 hours ago, PunkRockDad said:

I fully agree. I think inexperience was to be expected and he never got the support when needed. 

 

I think Holden will go on to prove himself as a very capable manager. I very much hope he does too. 

So do I, I didn't like the idea of him getting the gig but he wasn't given the help needed in his brief time as manager.

[redsquirrel]

12 minutes ago, bpexile said:

So do I, I didn't like the idea of him getting the gig but he wasn't given the help needed in his brief time as manager.

he got us safe and i respect him highly for that. he did take over when the team was united to a degree and pulling together. NP wasnt afforded that luxury.

i was over the moon when he was appointed,and still am.he does know how to build a prem team,more importantly,he knows how to get out of this division, id much rather trust that than try another young up and coming manager who has to learn on the job. he needs time and support from everyone,not just sl.

[Rossi the Robin]

12 hours ago, ooRya said:

I can understand the whole thing about "3 year project" "sorting out the mess" £clearing the dead wood" etc, but the thing that concerns me is that, every single team that comes to Ashton Gate plays better football than us. They run the midfield playing passing football and playing out from the back.

We play kick it long and hope for the best.

If nothing else, surely the blame for that can be laid at Pearson's feet.

Most teams in the last four or five years have come to AG and looked more organised and better than us - that is the problem that needs to be sorted, complete overhaul 

[Lrrr]

On 28/10/2021 at 22:09, Davefevs said:

I agree with the OP…..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok, I was fibbing.

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