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I don’t want to knock the kid, but how much off the standard was he?

Could see a case for taking him back off, so weak and letting his man go repeatedly.

It was like playing with 10 men, not sure he made a single positive contribution.

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2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I don’t want to knock the kid, but how much off the standard was he?

Could see a case for taking him back off, so weak and letting his man go repeatedly.

It was like playing with 10 men, not sure he made a single positive contribution.

I didn’t see any of it. In fact I’m half cut having watched the first half of the cricket, but if what you say is correct, it wouldn’t make him drastically different to the vast majority of the team now would it?

Hes a youngster. I’m inclined to cut him some slack. 

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4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I don’t want to knock the kid, but how much off the standard was he?

Could see a case for taking him back off, so weak and letting his man go repeatedly.

It was like playing with 10 men, not sure he made a single positive contribution.

He looked a bit caught between to me. Wasn’t sure which man to mark, what positions to take up. No different to Bakinson before him, I put that down to formation & possibly having someone so young & inexperienced behind him. But worked hard & will gain from it. COYR 

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6 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I don’t want to knock the kid, but how much off the standard was he?

Could see a case for taking him back off, so weak and letting his man go repeatedly.

It was like playing with 10 men, not sure he made a single positive contribution.

Was quite surprised to see him come on.

 I think O’Dowda needs to leave the club, but he seemed the most natural sub

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16 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I don’t want to knock the kid, but how much off the standard was he?

Could see a case for taking him back off, so weak and letting his man go repeatedly.

It was like playing with 10 men, not sure he made a single positive contribution.

So you'll post a dedicated thread picking out his weakness. As has previously been said the kid should be cut some slack. Just staggered that there seems to be an obsession with having something to moan about. 

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7 minutes ago, Henry said:

Was quite surprised to see him come on.

 I think O’Dowda needs to leave the club, but he seemed the most natural sub

Or Scott, who has shown before he’s good enough.

On what I saw I’d rather that Simpson came on & Tanner played in front of him.

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1 minute ago, 054123 said:

I watched him and Bakinson today, Christ did he take a beating. The stuff you can get away with throw-ins!

Yep, they should’ve earned 10-12 fouls today….and sometimes as manager you have to think - Martin is getting bugger all, I need to change him.

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6 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

Didn’t he run into a team mate of his, on a couple of occasions ?

He certainly did, not sure if he just ran into team mates but appeared to actually tackle them too! 

His time will come, but today was a difficult debut

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Maybe just for a change, just wanted someone with energy on the pitch who hasn't been mantally scarred. 

Someone for the fans to get behind,someone for the senior players to rally around. A distraction from the nervous energy. 

 

Concede and its insanity 

Win and it worked; was it down to the sub? Prob not, but it's not like the standard option has worked for the last 18 thousand years 

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I thought Martin should’ve come off too…needed Bell’s legs to chase stuff down.

I’m.not sure he should have started but definitely should have come off. We were crying out for someone to put their foot on the ball and keep possession and Martin today was all flicks and attempted layoffs which rarely came off.  Would have loved to see Scott on for the last half hour to bring us a bit more composure. 

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5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

No need for this thread picking out a 17 year old who two months ago was nowhere near this squad and clearly nervous. Expect he will be delighted to see a thread dedicated to how he was off the standard.  

In fairness if the OP hadn’t have started the thread someone else would have done, if anything blame the manager for throwing him into the situation when he wasn’t ready 

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In fairness to the lad to be brought on at that time in the game with the amount of pressure on the result it was always going to be tough for him.

The fair and reasonable thing to do would be to reserve judgment untill he is given a proper opportunity because by all accounts he is ridiculously talented on the ball and always looks to play the forward pass to make things happen, he could be just what we need as the season progresses. I echo others though it was strange timing by Pearson to bring him on today.

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As others have said it was a strange sub to make and he definitely looked a yard off the pace. He did get on the ball a couple of times and looked technically good but he also looked lightweight and too easy to get past.

I’m sure he’ll be a great player in time but today wasn’t the day for him and it could have cost us. 

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5 minutes ago, RedM said:

He certainly did, not sure if he just ran into team mates but appeared to actually tackle them too! 

His time will come, but today was a difficult debut

Thought as much them running into him, think it was him and Martin that lost the ball in the lead up to the Cole clearance off our line, but for me that was Martin more at fault than Benarous. Didn’t think he had quite as poor a debut as most are indicating, didn’t help him that our defence constantly dragged too far left. 

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Look, he could well be the next big thing by 2024 but with O’Dowda, Scott or even Simpson sat watching it was incredible he came on & despite some saying he wasn’t any worse than others that is simply ridiculous, he looked a mile away on that evidence.

If you look at my post history I tend to be pretty supportive & have seen the likes of Scott, Conway & Sam Pearson come in as youngsters & do ok.

Not to highlight that he struggled hugely would be dishonest.

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17 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Was such a weird sub. I am usually for young players given a go, and he will be some player one day I'm sure. But why not Scott who is stronger, got experience, defended well in Cardiff and Peterborough games when coming on to play left midfield. What has Scott done wrong, he had a decent game against Forest.

And I know people don't rate him but O'Dowda did well defending corners last season. Bringing on Benarous another tiny player and having brought on Dasilva too and bringing off Pring (injured) and Bakinson who are both competent in the air. No wonder we looked so vulnerable from set pieces with the players we had on the pitch.

But more importantly O'Dowda would be better at getting us up the pitch, which we could not seem to do for much of the 2nd half. 

Pearson subs often make little sense to me. Palmer on against Forest when winning another.

 

What like he did when he came on against Forest? O’Dowda for me is not the player you write about. One game maybe a season he’s good then it’s back to normal. 

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14 minutes ago, The turtle said:

Maybe just for a change, just wanted someone with energy on the pitch who hasn't been mentally scarred. 

Someone for the fans to get behind,someone for the senior players to rally around. A distraction from the nervous energy. 

Concede and its insanity 

Win and it worked; was it down to the sub? Prob not, but it's not like the standard option has worked for the last 18 thousand years 

A wise observation. 

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8 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Look, he could well be the next big thing by 2024 but with O’Dowda, Scott or even Simpson sat watching it was incredible he came on & despite some saying he wasn’t any worse than others that is simply ridiculous, he looked a mile away on that evidence.

If you look at my post history I tend to be pretty supportive & have seen the likes of Scott, Conway & Sam Pearson come in as youngsters & do ok.

Not to highlight that he struggled hugely would be dishonest.

Pearson plays these players on merit. Fans are entitled to assess their performance on the same basis.

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12 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

How many of the members of this forum can remember the debut of a seventeen year old, still skinny and very raw in football terms? I can't remember his name but he did have one or two tidy games for two City's.

Well you could be seeing the beginnings of another one!

Tom Ritchie?

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9 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

I am not a COD fan but while Barnsley were pushed up to the halfway line we needed someone to run through with the ball. He seemed the obvious choice to me this time, just to stop them camping in our half. Even their keeper was almost in our half, it was nuts that they felt able to do that. 

O’Dowda’s had chances to help us close out games and failed pretty miserably. No probs with NP trying something different. 

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Several of our senior pros have shown themselves to be chancers stealing a wage for many games this year so I’m not going to give a lad on his debut too hard a time tbh.

I’m 100% for giving kids a chance just now as I simply don’t want to see plenty of the well paid professionals who are performing like donkeys anywhere near the pitch.

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Benarous has got a lot of talent and I didn’t see the harm in giving him a run-out from the bench today as it showed how far away he is from the first XI. Alternatively, he might be ready but was just overwhelmed by it all today.

Either way, that’s another academy graduate making their first XI debut (that’s a positive) and I think he’s got a good chance of making it. 

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7 minutes ago, tin said:

Benarous has got a lot of talent and I didn’t see the harm in giving him a run-out from the bench today as it showed how far away he is from the first XI. Alternatively, he might be ready but was just overwhelmed by it all today.

Either way, that’s another academy graduate making their first XI debut (that’s a positive) and I think he’s got a good chance of making it. 

His comments to Nige was how quick it was.

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At least he was able to take the ball into the corner near the end, something some of his more experienced colleagues could have done against Forest but chose not to.

If your looking for someone who gave the ball away cheaply what about Martin, twice in his own box.

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13 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said:

Tom Ritchie?

No, Sir Gerry.

In his first full season, plenty of City fans voiced very negative opinions about him. Tons of humble pie eaten

I'm not saying Benarous will be as good. But experienced managers like Pearson do not throw 17 year old kids to the wolves. They know it will be tough but have confidence that the young one will not let anyone down easily.

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48 minutes ago, Prime said:

You don't want to knock the kid, but you did anyway. Incredibly harsh. He hardly received the ball and the times he did he was tackled by his teammates (Martin in a counter attacking situation and Wells in the box). I wouldn't say he played any better or worse than anyone else. The one time he was in a position to take someone on, he was outmuscled, but arguably it was a foul. I also thought he was committed and helped out in defence.

I really thought this would be a thread about how great it is to see another academy product make his debut. I really hope he doesn't read your post.

I agree with you, glimpses of talent there and certainly has some pace, hope he gets more minutes very soon.

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I agree he struggled today. A surprising substitution and a massive gamble to bring him in in such a high pressure game. I would have thought that if NP doesn’t trust the likes of players like COD, then Scott would have been a more obvious choice seeing as he has impressed so far and we badly needed someone to hold onto the ball. 

Postives - it was good to see Benarous run at them with the ball (we don’t do that enough) and he took it into the corner to buy time when some of our other players seemed intent on giving them the ball. 

FWIW I think we missed Bakinson when he went off. 

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25 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Honestly now - still think that?

Yes, palmer and cod coming on when we are trying to hold on to a lead is like playing with one less player.

the only shame is that benarous and scott are similar style of very young player, potentially competing for 1 spot. If one of them was a centre back, or left back, they might get more of a chance

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Bizarre substitution and you give him a debut when coasting a game not when under the cosh.  He’s a play maker/dribbler  but we never had any of the ball and all we can judge him on is his defensive ability which admittedly wasn’t great.  He’s a massive talent & don’t let’s judge him on today as Pearson got his debut completely wrong.

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Without knowing too much about him admittedly, is wide right his natural position? If not seems strange playing out out of position, in front of an also relatively experienced Tanner. I don’t think today was the right game for him to come in to. 
However to throw a big positive out there I was delighted to see him do what several senior pros have failed to do this season from a winning position and manage the game. Booted the ball away a couple of times, and twice looked to run the ball into the corner (I maintain we would have won a couple of games already if we were better at this). 

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40 minutes ago, Offside said:

I agree he struggled today. A surprising substitution and a massive gamble to bring him in in such a high pressure game. I would have thought that if NP doesn’t trust the likes of players like COD, then Scott would have been a more obvious choice seeing as he has impressed so far and we badly needed someone to hold onto the ball. 

Postives - it was good to see Benarous run at them with the ball (we don’t do that enough) and he took it into the corner to buy time when some of our other players seemed intent on giving them the ball. 

FWIW I think we missed Bakinson when he went off. 

I thought Bakinson did ok today….he was manhandled a lot and will need to stop getting muscled off it in tight spots.  But he did okay.

17 minutes ago, Dredd said:

Without knowing too much about him admittedly, is wide right his natural position? If not seems strange playing out out of position, in front of an also relatively experienced Tanner. I don’t think today was the right game for him to come in to. 
However to throw a big positive out there I was delighted to see him do what several senior pros have failed to do this season from a winning position and manage the game. Booted the ball away a couple of times, and twice looked to run the ball into the corner (I maintain we would have won a couple of games already if we were better at this). 

Left footed…but often plays right wing or right of a forward three.

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Wasn’t there today but it sounds like it was a baptism of fire. Bottom line is he’ll either learn from it and get to the standard needed, or he won’t.

But we got the win so no harm done from his learning curve. Hopefully he will now understand a bit more about the step up in quality required and use that to develop and push himself forward. 

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I thought Bakinson did ok today….he was manhandled a lot and will need to stop getting muscled off it in tight spots.  But he did okay.

Left footed…but often plays right wing or right of a forward three.

I'll be honest and I'm sure many will disagree but I thought James was very poor today, Massengo did not hit his normal heights (although that can be a high bar) and Bakinson actually did alright for me when you consider he had James alongside him who had a bit of a mare imo. Great pass for Wells which really should have resulted in a third goal whether that be from Wells himself or a tap in from a squared ball.

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4 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Not an easy start for the kid but he will from the experience. It would have helped if he wasn't tackled by his own team mates. 

You can see there is something to work with but the lad will need to be managed very carefully. He's not the biggest and in this league there will be occasions where he gets chewed up and spat out. That's already happened with Scott on at least one occasion this season when he got hooked after half an hour.........and Scott has got plenty of ability. 

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At the time he was brought on City was being overrun in midfield and Barnsley was creating a lot of chances that were somehow missed. Benarous is a skilful player but, at this stage of career, he’s not a player who can strengthen the midfield in this sort of match. So, to me, a strange substitution 

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2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

I don’t want to knock the kid, but how much off the standard was he?

Could see a case for taking him back off, so weak and letting his man go repeatedly.

It was like playing with 10 men, not sure he made a single positive contribution.

Have to agree. I’ve never watched him before but isn’t he a attacking midfielder ? He seemed very left footed but ended up playing right wing /wing back . Very risky sub imo. Bakinson wasn’t having the best of games although better than he has been. still a strange one . I like a midfield 3 but we were wide open far too much . Very happy with the win & will celebrate it but we got mountains to climb 

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From where I sat Barnsley were, if not running riot, certainly having the better of things down both our left and right, and for large chunks of the game. Playing 3 in midfield plus Weimann made us really unbalanced, and (this might be unpopular) Bakinson and HNM seemed to be leaving large gaps behind them. So whether young Ayman or anybody else came on the structure was wrong.

Big call by Pearson, mind.

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