Isn’t Kasey too good to leave out in the cold ….

[Denbury Red]

The short piece in Robins Live - just received by email, and the video footage of Kasey’s goal against Birmingham shown again today makes me wonder if we are missing a trick!

Could and perhaps should he be tried further up the pitch?

He can certainly finish (as seen in the Birmingham video), he has more strength than some of our other options, and whilst the teenagers seem to be getting the nod for the midfield positions, with Nakhi unable to hit a barn door at times - perhaps Kasey should be given a try up front?

He’s still young and I’m not sure he’s found his best position!

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, Denbury Red said:

The short piece in Robins Live - just received by email, and the video footage of Kasey’s goal against Birmingham shown again today makes me wonder if we are missing a trick!

Could and perhaps should he be tried further up the pitch?

He can certainly finish (as seen in the Birmingham video), he has more strength than some of our other options, and whilst the teenagers seem to be getting the nod for the midfield positions, with Nakhi unable to hit a barn door at times - perhaps Kasey should be given a try up front?

He’s still young and I’m not sure he’s found his best position!

Pearson implied he isn’t training well. How can he then pick him in the team or even squad? Pearson is trying to instil a message and cannot undermine himself.  He will be thinking he is doing more long term good for the squad by not picking a bad trainer,  and I agree. 
 

I am surprised that anyone would want someone in the squad who we are told isn’t training well enough 

[The Coach]

Kasey is done in my view. Had so many chances and hasn’t taken them. Another one to get off the wage bill.

[petehinton]

5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Pearson implied he isn’t training well. How can he then pick him in the team or even squad? Pearson is trying to instil a message and cannot undermine himself.  He will be thinking he is doing more long term good for the squad by not picking a bad trainer,  and I agree. 
 

I am surprised that anyone would want someone in the squad who we are told isn’t training well enough 

But then also said a few weeks ago he was training well, and loved his attitude for asking to play in the u23s, got his cameo & goal against Fulham as a result iirc. All sounds ominous. Wouldn’t surprise me if injured 

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, petehinton said:

But then also said a few weeks ago he was training well, and loved his attitude for asking to play in the u23s, got his cameo & goal against Fulham as a result iirc. All sounds ominous. Wouldn’t surprise me if injured 

I would say it would be bad management if he was injured. To imply he’s been poor in training when he’s actually injured would worrying to his man management. I just can’t see that 

[Roger Red Hat]

3 minutes ago, petehinton said:

But then also said a few weeks ago he was training well, and loved his attitude for asking to play in the u23s, got his cameo & goal against Fulham as a result iirc. All sounds ominous. Wouldn’t surprise me if injured 

Didn't he ask to play for the 23's then do absolutely f all?

[Robbored]

10 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Kasey is done in my view. Had so many chances and hasn’t taken them. Another one to get off the wage bill.

Yep, I think that’s  spot on.

LJ thought he could get the best out of KP but failed and now a far more experienced manager in Nige is having the same difficulty.

The ‘issue’ has to lie with KP himself and in some ways he reminds me of JET who was blessed with sublime ability but couldn’t be arsed half the time to perform. KP seems to be very similar.

JET could have played at a far higher level as KP could but both lack that drive to put in the effort required.

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Robbored

[cidered abroad]

Kasey Palmer is his own worst enemy. He has talent to make opponents idiotic, but rarely does this to his teams advantage. He is too predictable in what he does. He reminds me at times of Freeman. Receive ball near touchline and turn diagonally across the pitch. Opponents just shepherd him in front all the way and then he looks for a pass with no City player near him.

[GrahamC]

So far Holden, Steve Cooper & Pearson have all left him out.

The issue isn’t the manager, it’s the player.

[Sleepy1968]

No manager he's played under has ever trusted or rated him highly enough to start him regulary. An ego signing by Mark Ashton, and one of the reasons we can't afford to sign a quality forward.

I'm pretty sure we couldn't give Kasey Palmer away at the moment, but if we could I think we would.

 

[Super]

Be gone in Jan I expect feels like he is wasting his career with the talent he has.

[Fordy62]

Tough one for me. He’s never really been given much of a chance, but similarly he’s a bit of a luxury player. Teams playing badly can’t afford luxury players. 

[marmite]

Palmer , Tomlin, Jet  ,Jacki. The list of skilful players that we have been unable to get a tune out of on a regular basis. Although none went on to be world beaters did they?

[CyderInACan]

33 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Kasey is done in my view. Had so many chances and hasn’t taken them. Another one to get off the wage bill.

Completely agree. Albeit I don’t think it’s because he hasn’t necessarily taken his chances, I just dont think what he offers matches what we need. 

[pongo88]

34 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Didn't he ask to play for the 23's then do absolutely f all?

Yes!  He was lethargic at best. 

[Davefevs]

42 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Pearson implied he isn’t training well. How can he then pick him in the team or even squad? Pearson is trying to instil a message and cannot undermine himself.  He will be thinking he is doing more long term good for the squad by not picking a bad trainer,  and I agree. 
 

I am surprised that anyone would want someone in the squad who we are told isn’t training well enough 

Yep, “here’s the levels, attain then or don’t play”….it’s a simple message.

It might not be that he’s training badly per se, but Benarous has come in and trained better.  Said the same re Vyner, and I see him as a dedicated trainer.  But there’s only 18 shirts….in some respects when Antoine, Williams and King are back, there’s gonna be a good few not getting kitted up.

Nige really sewing the seeds that age and reputation count for nothing….performance, commitment etc do.

Long may it continue.

It might give other players, not just Palmer, a kick up the arse.

I don’t think we can sell Palmer in this market, unless we take a free.  I do still think he has something to offer, but I think that about other players too, and they don’t do it either.

[YGBjammy]

Would like to see him in the role Weimann played on Saturday; as a no.10 but behind a front 2 of Weimann and Wells. If he can't provide assists in that setup then he never will and needs to go.

 

If what others have said about him not training well, then it is entirely justified by Pearson to not pick him in the squad.

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Yes!  He was lethargic at best. 

Tbh, it was a pretty poor u23s performance that day all around.

[1960maaan]

27 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

So far Holden, Steve Cooper & Pearson have all left him out.

The issue isn’t the manager, it’s the player.

This is very true and a very good point Graham, I would say one thing.
He hasn't been given a run with anything like a team that plays to his strengths, or not often at least. I would have given him a run in behind Wells & Weimann, give him movement and targets and it would bring out the best in him. Those passes like Brownhill Vs Charlton or Rowe Vs Birmingham, he has that ability , but play him behind Martin and he's wasted. He started working hard and putting himself about, but apart from the odd glimpse we've not seen enough. 
If he goes in January , it will be for next to nothing and more to get rid of wages than to get funds to buy someone. 
I have been a fan, but even I couldn't find a reason to play him ATM, unless we dropped Martin. We might actually play more then , who knows.

3 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Yes!  He was lethargic at best. 

Exactly what I thought.

[Street red]

45 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Kasey is done in my view. Had so many chances and hasn’t taken them. Another one to get off the wage bill.

Definitely not done enough in my view and definitely not enough for the wage we've paid him.. Chelsea got rid for a reason and no club bar us committed to signing him..Let's hope he's moved on in Jan.

[Curr Avon]

54 minutes ago, Denbury Red said:

The short piece in Robins Live - just received by email, and the video footage of Kasey’s goal against Birmingham shown again today makes me wonder if we are missing a trick!

Could and perhaps should he be tried further up the pitch?

He can certainly finish (as seen in the Birmingham video), he has more strength than some of our other options, and whilst the teenagers seem to be getting the nod for the midfield positions, with Nakhi unable to hit a barn door at times - perhaps Kasey should be given a try up front?

He’s still young and I’m not sure he’s found his best position!

As a number 10 in a 4-4-1-1 he could be an ideal replacement for Nakhi. That would allow him to press from the front. The deeper he drops the more vulnerable he becomes to losing possession.

[MC RISK77]

44 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Yep, I think that’s  spot on.

LJ thought he could get the best out of KP but failed and now a far more experienced manager in Nige is having the same difficulty.

The ‘issue’ has to lie with KP himself and in some ways he reminds me of JET who was blessed with sublime ability but couldn’t be arsed half the time to perform. KP seems to be very similar.

JET could have played at a far higher level as KP could but both lack that drive to put in the effort required.

 

Agree… but wow £4m we paid for him wasn’t it? Or was that an exaggerated number much like the quotes of £7m for massengo?

[bcfc01]

3 minutes ago, YGBjammy said:

Would like to see him in the role Weimann played on Saturday; as a no.10 but behind a front 2 of Weimann and Wells. If he can't provide assists in that setup then he never will and needs to go.

 

If what others have said about him not training well, then it is entirely justified by Pearson to not pick him in the squad.

 

44 minutes ago, petehinton said:

But then also said a few weeks ago he was training well, and loved his attitude for asking to play in the u23s, got his cameo & goal against Fulham as a result iirc. All sounds ominous. Wouldn’t surprise me if injured 

Mixed messages from NP, or just a kick up the arse for Kasey - slack off in training and your toast.

He's a very talented footballer and still young, he'll come good either here or elsewhere.

[IdliketoRogerMoore]

25 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Tough one for me. He’s never really been given much of a chance, but similarly he’s a bit of a luxury player. Teams playing badly can’t afford luxury players. 

People say that he hasn’t been given much of a chance for us but he has played over 60 games for us in 2 years! 
his head drops if something he tries doesn’t come off then is at best a passenger in most games or at worst lazy! 
 

On the odd occasion it does he can be masterful!

[Fjmcity]

not sure it is effort actually, more down to skill.. not technical ability -he clearly has that in spades but he cant put that into something productive in the championship and other parts of his game are clearly lacking.

Hes a big unit, not likely to be 'athletic' like a weinman so I dont mistake his lack of tracking, positioning to do with effort as you can work around those things with nouse. I think its just skill.  He does not have the right skills to succeed at championship level

[bcfc01]

1 minute ago, Fjmcity said:

not sure it is effort actually, more down to skill.. not technical ability -he clearly has that in spades but he cant put that into something productive in the championship and other parts of his game are clearly lacking.

Hes a big unit, not likely to be 'athletic' like a weinman so I dont mistake his lack of tracking, positioning to do with effort as you can work around those things with nouse. I think its just skill.  He does not have the right skills to succeed at championship level

Big unit ?

You sure ?

[RedNachos]

44 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Tough one for me. He’s never really been given much of a chance, but similarly he’s a bit of a luxury player. Teams playing badly can’t afford luxury players. 

Are you joking?

Undoubted ability, but had his chances, time for some new blood.

[Davefevs]

22 minutes ago, Street red said:

Definitely not done enough in my view and definitely not enough for the wage we've paid him.. Chelsea got rid for a reason and no club bar us committed to signing him..Let's hope he's moved on in Jan.

….and ask yourself who agreed to pay it!!  Not KP’s fault, Chelsea and then us gave him a lucrative contract.  Of course he might’ve taken a pay cut when he came here….we’ve no evidence he’s still on £110k per month as per his court comments.

14 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

Agree… but wow £4m we paid for him wasn’t it? Or was that an exaggerated number much like the quotes of £7m for massengo?

£3.5m, but I’m splitting hairs (half a million of them!).

Like my comment above, who agreed to pay it?  Who thought he was so worthy of it, having seen him play a bit part the previous season, and then having signed Szmodics?  Yep, you guessed it, the “Ego Twins”!!  A manager who seemed to think he could “tame” any player, e.g. Tomlin.

I like Palmer, he’s still only 24….but the financial side is such a millstone round both his neck and the club, I don’t know what the answer is.  More below.

4 minutes ago, Fjmcity said:

not sure it is effort actually, more down to skill.. not technical ability -he clearly has that in spades but he cant put that into something productive in the championship and other parts of his game are clearly lacking.

Hes a big unit, not likely to be 'athletic' like a weinman so I dont mistake his lack of tracking, positioning to do with effort as you can work around those things with nouse. I think its just skill.  He does not have the right skills to succeed at championship level

I might be incorrectly summarising your post, but I think he lacks football intelligence….is that what you’re saying - it’s what I’d call “nouse” as you say.  Ignore the fitness issues for the mo’, he doesn’t put in a lack of effort, he is inefficient, he charges around and tires himself out, especially if it’s having not played.  LJ never started him more than two games on the trot.  Holden gave him 5 last season, the spell when he scored v Swansea and Brum…then left him on the bench for 5.

He isn’t the only player on OTIB who divides opinion and who I think lacks “nouse”….O’Dowda the other.  Another with ability that doesn’t shine through.

2 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Big unit ?

You sure ?

He’s a well built chap imho.  I’m gonna get done by the sports scientists on here, but he strikes me as being “heavy boned”, which is probably a load of crap, but he looks like he carries a bit, even when looking toned.

[Simon bristol]

1 hour ago, Redpool said:

Kasey is done in my view. Had so many chances and hasn’t taken them. Another one to get off the wage bill.

Have to agree, just a shame hes got a while yet on his contract.

[Riaz]

I’ve given up with Kasey Palmer. He’s just too slow on the ball. He gets caught in possession way too much. Talented player, but always wants too much time and does not work hard enough

[ExiledAjax]

He always did flatter to deceive IMO. Signed as the player who could perhaps add "that little bit of magic" to LJ's swarm of "busy bees". But he's never settled. Effectively he has signed for us 3 times, and on each occasion his attacking prowess and hunger for goals has been touted as the key to unblocking the team's potential. 3 times, under 3 different managers, it has failed to materialise.

[GrahamC]

52 minutes ago, marmite said:

Palmer , Tomlin, Jet  ,Jacki. The list of skilful players that we have been unable to get a tune out of on a regular basis. Although none went on to be world beaters did they?

Think we probably had more out of JET than any other club in his career.

No fan of Dziekanowski but he was on the way down when we got him, his best years were at Celtic.

Tomlin has been a waster everywhere he’s been, rowed with Eddie Howe at Bournemouth & Cardiff recently paid his contract up, we’re not exactly unique to have had issues with him.

[Simon bristol]

1 hour ago, Super said:

Be gone in Jan I expect feels like he is wasting his career with the talent he has.

I just cant see anyone wanting to take that salary on in the post covid environment, but like nagy, getting that contract off the books is very appealing!

[Bris Red]

1 hour ago, Redpool said:

Kasey is done in my view. Had so many chances and hasn’t taken them. Another one to get off the wage bill.

Indeed, i am of the view he is finished here. A shame but he has been given more than enough opportunities.

[Roger Red Hat]

10 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Have to agree, just a shame hes got a while yet on his contract.

How long?

[Shuffle]

I’ve been a big fan of Kasey but have to admit that I’ve run out of patience with him. We all know that technically he’s our best player and think there is a myth around he doesn’t work as he certainly does but as mentioned is it always effective.  The biggest surprise to me was the exclusion from the Jamaica team after one game with the squad since his debut containing players with lower ranked teams.  I think the Forest game was tipping point as believe that he got sucked into ball watching and allowed the Forest player to make the pass that brought the penalty.  If you believe the rumours Pearson ripped him a new one after game & not in squad since.

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

How long?

20 months.

[Dullmoan Tone]

3 minutes ago, bris red said:

Indeed, i am of the view he is finished here. A shame but he has been given more than enough opportunities.

I think he needs a sustained run in the team something he definitely hasn't had.

I think he wants to do well and so when he gets the chance, tries too hard. He's aware of his position.

I'm not blind to his bad performances - he was anonymous vs Forest when he should have tried to get on the ball. This is why I think Pearson has him sitting on his "punishment bus" at the moment.

We have invested so much in him financially surely in a team that's struggling to create chancesor goals from midfield we need to give him 3 games guaranteed and hope he can recreate his best form? There is a quality player in there and comparing him to Tomlin is, in my opinion, unfair as he does mostly put a shift in - if anything I would like to see less sliding tackles.

[Roger Red Hat]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

20 months.

[bcfc01]

15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

He’s a well built chap imho.  I’m gonna get done by the sports scientists on here, but he strikes me as being “heavy boned”, which is probably a load of crap, but he looks like he carries a bit, even when looking toned.

He's 5'9" - a relatively low centre of gravity and great balance which means he can fend off challenges quite easily and is difficult to knock off the ball. 

That may give the perception that he's a "unit" or even heavily boned - but I'd argue against both tbh.

 

 

 

[t_b]

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

20 months.

Arguably the right length to try for a fee then. Shorter and we would have to let him go on a season long loan and hope his wages got covered. 
 

IF someone can be persuaded to take him on permanently in January, we’d hope to get a bit of a fee for him at least. 

[Major Isewater]

12 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

20 minutes ago, bris red said:

 

I think he needs a sustained run in the team something he definitely hasn't had.

Why hasn’t he had a ‘ sustained run in the team ? ‘ 

Answer this question and we may have a clue as to his future. 

[GBF]

1 hour ago, Redpool said:

Kasey is done in my view. Had so many chances and hasn’t taken them. Another one to get off the wage bill.

Couldn’t agree more. Has had more than enough chances, often costing the team a goal and only occasionally contributing towards a goal.  His handball at Rotherham Utd last year was the final straw for me

[just like watching brazil]

Think he’s going to be the next jet.

[Gazred]

It's a continuing cycle for a player that can't own the shirt when presented with the chance.

We've seen all this at least a couple of times before and that's just at this club.

[TonyTonyTony]

Said it before and I’ll say it again: He may well show skills / play keepy uppy like a boss and for sure he has the ability to slot in a killer pass BUT he doesn’t put a shift in. Work rate nowhere near high enough for the modern game.

Why does anyone think he will be bought in January? Who will buy him and for how much? Considering how much he cost / his wages we would be better off all round letting him go for nothing. 

[Davefevs]

42 minutes ago, tommy_b said:

Arguably the right length to try for a fee then. Shorter and we would have to let him go on a season long loan and hope his wages got covered. 
 

IF someone can be persuaded to take him on permanently in January, we’d hope to get a bit of a fee for him at least. 

In a pre-covid world, yep.  In my opinion, not a chance of getting a fee and someone pick up his £20K+ p.w. wage.  When someone like Weimann, who plays every week is on £9-10k, nobody is gonna pay a fee, unless Kasey is prepared to take a heavily cut salary in exchange for a long deal.  I don’t see that happening.

He’s costing us best part of £2m a year in wages and amortisation.  Eeeeeeeeek

[TonyTonyTony]

Just now, Davefevs said:

He’s costing us best part of £2m a year in wages and amortisation.  Eeeeeeeeek

If you want a headline to demonstrate how much we have spunked away in the last few years that will do it. Absolutely shocking. Players on our books stealing a living basically

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Absolutely shocking.

Agreed.

2 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Players on our books stealing a living basically

I don’t like that expression (snowflake Fevs)….someone agreed to pay it.

[E.G.Red]

27 minutes ago, just like watching brazil said:

Think he’s going to be the next jet.

And like JET didn't get the run in the team. There are certain players who can dip in and out of teams , but others like JET & Kasey need a constant run in the team. Not just one game, play poorly so dropped.

[bpexile]

2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

I would say it would be bad management if he was injured. To imply he’s been poor in training when he’s actually injured would worrying to his man management. I just can’t see that 

Exactly my thoughts, NP wouldn't expect injured players to train hard until they were ready for it.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

2 hours ago, YGBjammy said:

Would like to see him in the role Weimann played on Saturday; as a no.10 but behind a front 2 of Weimann and Wells. If he can't provide assists in that setup then he never will and needs to go.

 

If what others have said about him not training well, then it is entirely justified by Pearson to not pick him in the squad.

Yes like the sound of that combination. Palmer would be able to give the through balls to Wells that no one seems able to deliver.

[bcfc01]

12 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Yes like the sound of that combination. Palmer would be able to give the through balls to Wells that no one seems able to deliver.

Pretty pointless playing Palmer if NP persists in playing Martin up front.

[Davefevs]

16 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

It was the Forest sun appearance that did it for  Nige . He and COD were awful . Hence Benarous cameo . 

Oh, yeah, totally get that….was replying to someone saying he was lacklustre in the 23s.

[BS4 on Tour...]

Get rid of KP? That’s nuts ...

[BS4 on Tour...]

35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

In a pre-covid world, yep.  In my opinion, not a chance of getting a fee and someone pick up his £20K+ p.w. wage.  When someone like Weimann, who plays every week is on £9-10k, nobody is gonna pay a fee, unless Kasey is prepared to take a heavily cut salary in exchange for a long deal.  I don’t see that happening.

He’s costing us best part of £2m a year in wages and amortisation.  Eeeeeeeeek

How do you know Weimann’s salary chief?

[alexukhc]

7 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Get rid of KP? That’s nuts ...

how much cashew ya think we’ll get?

[TonyTonyTony]

34 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t like that expression (snowflake Fevs)….someone agreed to pay it.

I get that Dave. It’s a contract you are right but doesn’t the player feel a little embarrassed ? Particularly when a youth player on 800 quid a week is picked ahead of him. 
 

Steal a living is harsh yes - but there are plenty of very rich players just training at various clubs and not playing. Waste of their careers and money going out of the game 

[Fordy62]

36 minutes ago, E.G.Red said:

And like JET didn't get the run in the team. There are certain players who can dip in and out of teams , but others like JET & Kasey need a constant run in the team. Not just one game, play poorly so dropped.

I think that’s pretty disingenuous to JET. He was absolutely brilliant for us here. The only reason he was dropped is because we had two other strikers who were banging them in (Wilbs and Agard?) but when the time came for JET and (awful) Matt Smith to step up, they were more than adequate. Unless I’m miss remembering (I do have a bit of a soft spot for JET!)

[Rocking Red Cyril]

19 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Pretty pointless playing Palmer if NP persists in playing Martin up front.

Yes I can agree with that. But I really feel Wells is a 20 goal striker and we are wasting that. Play him central forward with a supply line. And I am sure Palmer could do that.

Just my opinion of course

Tin hat on 

[Supersonic Robin]

2 hours ago, Fjmcity said:

not sure it is effort actually, more down to skill.. not technical ability -he clearly has that in spades but he cant put that into something productive in the championship and other parts of his game are clearly lacking.

 

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I might be incorrectly summarising your post, but I think he lacks football intelligence….is that what you’re saying - it’s what I’d call “nouse” as you say.  Ignore the fitness issues for the mo’, he doesn’t put in a lack of effort, he is inefficient, he charges around and tires himself out, especially if it’s having not played. 

Agree with these comments - I don't think it's as simple as "He's a brilliant player who simply doesn't put the effort in". Palmer has very good technical ability, but is clearly lacking in other areas. I don't necessarily think it's a lack of physical effort. I'd describe it as a lack of focus, concentration, and awareness more than anything, both in and out of possession.

Think we're all trying to describe roughly the same thing though.

 

[LondonBristolian]

I really want to believe Kasey is too good to leave out in the cold but, as others in this thread have said, the onus is on him to demonstrate that. There's something stopping him being a fantastic player. I'm not quite sure what it is - and others have touched on the same thing - but I think he's talented and I honestly think he tries far harder than some give him credit for but he's not developed the ability to consistently deliver.

Time's not run out for him to improve but he has got to do so and I don't know how many more chances he will get with us. I feel similar to how I feel with Taylor Moore and Zak Vyner in that I want him to succeed and there's a lot about his game that I like. But, based on what I've seen, I can't make a case for him getting more regular game time and I can't fault the manager for leaving him out. 

[GrahamC]

13 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I think that’s pretty disingenuous to JET. He was absolutely brilliant for us here. The only reason he was dropped is because we had two other strikers who were banging them in (Wilbs and Agard?) but when the time came for JET and (awful) Matt Smith to step up, they were more than adequate. Unless I’m miss remembering (I do have a bit of a soft spot for JET!)

Not misremembering at all.

JET was brilliant in an awful side under SOD then a very useful squad player under Cotts, he got 24 goals in 52 starts & 30 sub appearances for a bloke that we signed for nothing.

We have had far worse & in his first season he was literally the only player worth watching.

[E.G.Red]

20 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I think that’s pretty disingenuous to JET. He was absolutely brilliant for us here. The only reason he was dropped is because we had two other strikers who were banging them in (Wilbs and Agard?) but when the time came for JET and (awful) Matt Smith to step up, they were more than adequate. Unless I’m miss remembering (I do have a bit of a soft spot for JET!)

I too have a soft spot for JET, but he was dropped as soon as the others were fit, even though he had done such a good job for us. Those returning should have earned their place and not just be an automatic choice.My point was that we canot expect players just to come in and then be dropped next game.  When KP signed for us, one of the reasons was for stability and I don't think that we have really offered him that in terms of playing time.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, E.G.Red said:

I too have a soft spot for JET, but he was dropped as soon as the others were fit, even though he had done such a good job for us. Those returning should have earned their place and not just be an automatic choice.My point was that we canot expect players just to come in and then be dropped next game.  When KP signed for us, one of the reasons was for stability and I don't think that we have really offered him that in terms of playing time.

I actually think he was happy to play the bit-part.  Could probably coast a bit through training, knowing he’d get his sub 3 minutes most games and if needed would start.

I reckon looking back, he might regret it a bit, but he looked like he had a fun life at the time so hey-ho.

I always worried him not starting might be bad for the squad, but he seemed to be happy to play along.

Amazing ability.  Wonderful moments of skills and goals on the end of it.

[Mr Popodopolous]

I've got mixed views on Palmer. Clearly he has a lot of technical ability but where he fits in tactically and how that impacts upon the side is a worry for me- that's before we even talk of the training etc.

Out of possession, not the sort of player who can slot between supporting the attack and comfortably dropping into a 3 IMO- think I dunno to name a few at our level in recent times Johansen, Mowatt, Marcondes- there's loads more. Brownhill was one although he could do many things! You could argue Reid in some setups, in fact he was 2 players in 1 in some respects...

Back onto Palmer, don't think he's an ideal tactical fit and does he produce enough end product? Although I have to wonder if there could be- and have wondered this before- could he be some kind of partial false 9...4-3-1-2 but the '2' are wide strikers and in certain phases they will pull wider be it higher or a bit deeper- perhaps pull full backs out of position and Palmer can burst into the space and exploit it- perhaps a bit of skill between the lines in those scenarios. We would also be covered tactically because of a) 2 v 2 in wide areas ie the wide strikers help out or pin back and 3 in the centre so Palmer could focus a bit more on what he can do than what he can't.

Overall though, I'm struggling to see how he fits tactically- certainly as a regular starter etc.

[fgrsimon]

Maybe Milwall would take him in January, then he could link up with Benik Afobe again. That was his best spell before Afobe got injured.

[Major Isewater]

I think he would be a good fit for a team like Sunderland or Wigan ,where he could shine in the third division ,with a promotion seeking side and get regular starts thus developing his reading of the game.

 He is like many players who have passed through our club , frustrating ! 

[Riaz]

10 hours ago, just like watching brazil said:

Think he’s going to be the next jet.

He already is.

[The Bard]

13 hours ago, Robbored said:

Yep, I think that’s  spot on.

LJ thought he could get the best out of KP but failed and now a far more experienced manager in Nige is having the same difficulty.

The ‘issue’ has to lie with KP himself and in some ways he reminds me of JET who was blessed with sublime ability but couldn’t be arsed half the time to perform. KP seems to be very similar.

JET could have played at a far higher level as KP could but both lack that drive to put in the effort required.

 

He's not fit to lace JET's boots.  Strip away the "Chelsea" veneer and he isn't all that. JET produced and literally won games singlehandedly.

 

Palmer has skill but is ineffectual having the really bad habit of giving the ball away in dangerous positions.