Tonight

[DaveF]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

What do you class as mid table? We're currently 2 points off 14th, 3pts off 13th and 4pts off 11th, with just over a third of the season gone.

Just trying to work out what is accepted as "midtable". I'd have said 10th - 14th probably

8th - 16th?

[Waconda]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

What do you class as mid table? We're currently 2 points off 14th, 3pts off 13th and 4pts off 11th, with just over a third of the season gone.

Just trying to work out what is accepted as "midtable". I'd have said 10th - 14th probably

Yes that's about right.

We are currently 19th.

[Kid in the Riot]

14 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Yes that's about right.

We are currently 19th.

Well aware of that. And very, very close to midtable. Thanks for confirming. 

[Waconda]

4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Well aware of that. And very, very close to midtable. Thanks for confirming. 

Chuckle.

[pl00peh91]

32 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

What do you class as mid table? We're currently 2 points off 14th, 3pts off 13th and 4pts off 11th, with just over a third of the season gone.

Just trying to work out what is accepted as "midtable". I'd have said 10th - 14th probably

It’s all relative though isn’t it. We are 19th but closer to the play offs than relegation. The actual numerical position in the table is fairly meaningless as it’s relative to the position of the other teams.

[sludge]

1 hour ago, VT05763 said:

It is the coaching and tactics that really concern me. Sort that out and we have the playing squad to be mid table. 

Find it very strange that it hasn't happened despite the shambles currently on show.

Hopefully, as he hinted, things will change.

Some on here think that the players we have are ok but the manager isn't very good.

Others think that the manager we have is ok but the players aren't very good.

Truth is, none of us really know which one it is do we?

[Waconda]

1 minute ago, sludge said:

Some on here think that the players we have are ok but the manager isn't very good.

Others think that the manager we have is ok but the players aren't very good.

Truth is, none of us really know which one it is do we?

It is a bit of both but to which degree is the debate I think.

[Super]

2 minutes ago, sludge said:

Some on here think that the players we have are ok but the manager isn't very good.

Others think that the manager we have is ok but the players aren't very good.

Truth is, none of us really know which one it is do we?

Prob more that the players aren't very good, Having said that Pearson should be doing better for sure.

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, VT05763 said:

It is a bit of both but to which degree is the debate I think.

It would be nice to see a settled side / system, of late it’s been a right old mix.  And as I always say, it’s very difficult to assess during constant change.

[Waconda]

5 minutes ago, Super said:

Prob more that the players aren't very good, Having said that Pearson should be doing better for sure.

Good example right here -

I for instance am on the other side to this thinking that Pearson hasn't been very good but the players should be doing better for sure.

[sludge]

7 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

It is a bit of both but to which degree is the debate I think.

A lot of the comments on here are quite polar though! 

[Waconda]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It would be nice to see a settled side / system, of late it’s been a right old mix.  And as I always say, it’s very difficult to assess during constant change.

Think he has gone down the system first and trying to get players to fit into it.

Now I am "normally" very much in the players to suit the system camp but right now for us with no prospect of bring any suitable players for this system in the near future we should be finding a system to suit the players we are "stuck" with.

It is certainly not working currently.

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, VT05763 said:

Think he has gone down the system first and trying to get players to fit into it.

Now I am "normally" very much in the players to suit the system camp but right now for us with no prospect of bring any suitable players for this system in the near future we should be finding a system to suit the players we are "stuck" with.

It is certainly not working currently.

I don’t think 721 would go down well!

[steviestevieneville]

1 hour ago, VT05763 said:

Not sure on the "coming out" part.

Have consistently said that the coaching, management and organisation currently is woeful. Excuses are being made and people who haven't been at the club for months are being blamed as a deflection.

There is an acceptance of failure and player blaming to justify what is going on. 

We will go down if things continue  as they have for the last month.

These players are not useless and uncoachable.

All just my opinion though and currently still in the minority but will not be drinking the Kool Aid thank you.

Yes we will go down if this carries on . To not blame the people who put us in this mess though is very blinkered . Who assembled the squad in general ? Who employed the person who assembled this squad. With a spiralling wage bill & clear neglect that allowed 12 players to walk away with out being able to recoup any money on them. Was that Nigel Pearson ? I’ll answer that. The answer is no. He’s inherited a ******* mess of a club that’s been allowed to drift rudderless for 4 years . However , some people want to blame the manager , who in relative terms has been here 5 minutes. 
Please name a manager that would be attainable , that could come in & turn it around in just a few games. With what is quite honestly a squad that is largely not fit for purpose. 

[Waconda]

2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Yes we will go down if this carries on . To not blame the people who put us in this mess though is very blinkered . Who assembled the squad in general ? Who employed the person who assembled this squad. With a spiralling wage bill & clear neglect that allowed 12 players to walk away with out being able to recoup any money on them. Was that Nigel Pearson ? I’ll answer that. The answer is no. He’s inherited a ******* mess of a club that’s been allowed to drift rudderless for 4 years . However , some people want to blame the manager , who in relative terms has been here 5 minutes. 
Please name a manager that would be attainable , that could come in & turn it around in just a few games. With what is quite honestly a squad that is largely not fit for purpose. 

Ryan Lowe.

[lenred]

1 minute ago, VT05763 said:

Ryan Lowe.

He’s not attainable (why would he leave them atm) and he’s completely unproven. He was struggling not too long ago as well.  Worth a punt in different more stable times maybe, but not at the moment.  All IMHO of course.  

[Robbored]

17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It would be nice to see a settled side / system, of late it’s been a right old mix.  And as I always say, it’s very difficult to assess during constant change.

The familiar curse of injuries prevent that from happening. Williams and Baker along with Semenyo and recently James. There’s three or four that would be in the starting 11.

Nige has had to introduce youngsters to fill the places but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s all first team experience after all.

It must be every managers dream to have a fully fit squad to select from.

[Waconda]

8 minutes ago, lenred said:

He’s not attainable (why would he leave them atm) and he’s completely unproven. He was struggling not too long ago as well.  Worth a punt in different more stable times maybe, but not at the moment.  All IMHO of course.  

Fair enough.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

That they don’t like / rate / want Pearson.  As soon as we lose, they come out in force, rarely explain why.

I really like seeing well explained polar opposite views, gives me something to reflect my own views on.

I remember my early days on here (I’ve not been on here that long believe it or not) having a bit of an “argument” with either Keepuplino or Ivorguy, I forget which, about SL in fact.  I was quite pro the Bristol Sport model, and then they explained why they had a completely different view.  It made me review my own take and actually made me think very differently.  I didn’t join the dark side per se, but I saw it wasn’t rose-tinted for sure.  It was one of the reasons I started looking into the financial side / FFP.

I think that’s a little unfair, Dave.  I think both ‘sides’ have made it pretty clear why they hold the views they do about Pearson.  If anything, the sort of comments I’ve found hardest to accept have been the fairly frequent “If you can’t see what Pearson is doing and what progress he is making you must be a moron” comments.

I’m not sure that winning and losing makes a huge amount of difference.  I certainly came away from Ashton on Saturday feeling only marginally more cheerful than if we’d lost.  What has been so dispiriting is the lack of cohesion and the lack of fight in the team, and the inability of the manager to do anything about it.

I have nothing against Pearson (I met him once three or four years ago and had an interesting conversation with him, in the course of which I got the impression he didn’t think much of Bristol City) but I am worried that he is not motivating the team, and I am concerned by some of his selections and his substitutions.  I have a good friend who is a Leicester fan and still believes that Pearson walks on water, but everyone has a sell-by date and I worry that in the past three years the game has moved on and Pearson hasn’t moved with it.

That said I understand why people are defensive of him, but at the moment I think both sides can probably accept that there are good arguments for and against retaining him.

[Waconda]

6 minutes ago, Robbored said:

The familiar curse of injuries prevent that from happening. Williams and Baker along with Semenyo and recently James. There’s three or four that would be in the starting 11.

Nige has had to introduce youngsters to fill the places but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s all first team experience after all.

It must be every managers dream to have a fully fit squad to select from.

Our injury "jinx" hasn't seemed to have improved much if at all despite the change in medical personnel.

Which is disappointing 

1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I think that’s a little unfair, Dave.  I think both ‘sides’ have made it pretty clear why they hold the views they do about Pearson.  If anything, the sort of comments I’ve found hardest to accept have been the fairly frequent “If you can’t see what Pearson is doing and what progress he is making you must be a moron” comments.

I’m not sure that winning and losing makes a huge amount of difference.  I certainly came away from Ashton on Saturday feeling only marginally more cheerful than if we’d lost.  What has been so dispiriting is the lack of cohesion and the lack of fight in the team, and the inability of the manager to do anything about it.

I have nothing against Pearson (I met him once three or four years ago and had an interesting conversation with him, in the course of which I got the impression he didn’t think much of Bristol City) but I am worried that he is not motivating the team, and I am concerned by some of his selections and his substitutions.  I have a good friend who is a Leicester fan and still believes that Pearson walks on water, but everyone has a sell-by date and I worry that in the past three years the game has moved on and Pearson hasn’t moved with it.

That said I understand why people are defensive of him, but at the moment I think both sides can probably accept that there are good arguments for and against retaining him.

Great post

[Kid in the Riot]

45 minutes ago, pl00peh91 said:

It’s all relative though isn’t it. We are 19th but closer to the play offs than relegation. The actual numerical position in the table is fairly meaningless as it’s relative to the position of the other teams.

A good explanation for Mr chuckle @VT05763

[Waconda]

Just now, Kid in the Riot said:

A good explanation for Mr chuckle @VT05763

Only 18 places off top.

[ExiledAjax]

21 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Ryan Lowe.

Was who I wanted when Holden left, but he signed a new contract a few days before that, and is now presumably more expensive. He's also doing well at Plymouth so I think will be pretty unrealistic for a while.

It's a shame as I think he could do well with us.

[Kid in the Riot]

8 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

That said I understand why people are defensive of him, but at the moment I think both sides can probably accept that there are good arguments for and against retaining him.

As of today, what are the good arguments to sack him? I don't think I have even seen anyone suggested he should be sacked...

[Galley is our king]

1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said:

As of today, what are the good arguments to sack him? I don't think I have even seen anyone suggested he should be sacked...

"Win or out?"

[steviestevieneville]

34 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Ryan Lowe.

Please explain then. What would he do to turn us around. A manager with no championship experience . How would he get more out of a club in decline. How would he get more out of largely a squad of players that are not good enough. It’s quite easy to just put a name on here . I’m genuinely interested . 
Do you not recognise the shit the club has been in behind the scenes . IMHO there isn’t a manager attainable that can turn us around quickly . We were told it’s a three year rebuild & it won’t be turned around overnight. It’s lazy imo to just blame the manager. It’s something we have to go through & get through it. If we do get relegated then it’s on one man & that ain’t Pearson . 

[054123]

23 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

That said I understand why people are defensive of him, but at the moment I think both sides can probably accept that there are good arguments for and against retaining him.

Do you think the majority of ‘defensive’ people are defensive of him or of the situation?

My gripe has long been with other parts of the club.

I didnt think Lee Johnson made the most of his situation and should have had us in the play offs twice but failed. However I also see how it’s challenging when having to ship players on and Ashton brining in poor replacements.

I had every sympathy for Dean Holden and whilst I accept why he went, i feel sorry for the shittiest of hands he was dealt iro injuries and the complete mismanagement of finances and contracts. 

I was glad that we appointed someone like Nigel Pearson but have posted numerous times that I don’t know if he will be a success or not. I do know the ‘hand’ the club dealt with Holden is just as shitty for him and therefor I have no faith that sacking him and bringing someone else in improves our lot.

This is just a ‘what if’ I know, but say Pearson goes and we bring in Ryan Lowe what happens if he fails? Where would the fault lie for what would be the previous 5/6 years from that Autumn of 2017?

In contrast, your posts are always interesting and it seems like you have balanced view of things, do you honestly feel that the club is in any shape that Ryan Lowe would be a success? Also what is success for Ryan Lowe.

Bit of a ramble, sorry, I just think that for me it’s not about Pearson as an individual, or Holden for that matter, but the club as a whole and what it will take to fix it. 

Im still not convinced that changing managers in the next couple of months helps.

[Tin Soldier]

To be fair, most sensible OTIBrs on here still support Nige P.
We all get frustrated after another defeat but in the cold light of day, most fans will see that this shambles of a team are culminations of mistakes made prior to NP. Got to give him until the end of the season as too many players are just not Championship standard. 
It is also becoming pretty obvious that a lot of players do not like the “three line whip” NP has installed.
Fit in or **** off you lazy bastards.

[Redandproud]

4 hours ago, Tin Soldier said:

Hate to say it but I reckon we are in deep shite

I've already said , relegation, League 1 next season,unless he adds a striker in January, what we've got are not good enough,

[steviestevieneville]

10 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Do you think the majority of ‘defensive’ people are defensive of him or of the situation?

My gripe has long been with other parts of the club.

I didnt think Lee Johnson made the most of his situation and should have had us in the play offs twice but failed. However I also see how it’s challenging when having to ship players on and Ashton brining in poor replacements.

I had every sympathy for Dean Holden and whilst I accept why he went, i feel sorry for the shittiest of hands he was dealt iro injuries and the complete mismanagement of finances and contracts. 

I was glad that we appointed someone like Nigel Pearson but have posted numerous times that I don’t know if he will be a success or not. I do know the ‘hand’ the club dealt with Holden is just as shitty for him and therefor I have no faith that sacking him and bringing someone else in improves our lot.

This is just a ‘what if’ I know, but say Pearson goes and we bring in Ryan Lowe what happens if he fails? Where would the fault lie for what would be the previous 5/6 years from that Autumn of 2017?

In contrast, your posts are always interesting and it seems like you have balanced view of things, do you honestly feel that the club is in any shape that Ryan Lowe would be a success? Also what is success for Ryan Lowe.

Bit of a ramble, sorry, I just think that for me it’s not about Pearson as an individual, or Holden for that matter, but the club as a whole and what it will take to fix it. 

Im still not convinced that changing managers in the next couple of months helps.

100% . As I’ve said , imo it’s lazy to just call for the managers head. I’m not supportive of Pearson because of the man but because of the situation . Look at Tuesday . Just one snippet , vyner getting bullied & the wrong side of Deeney for the second goal . There’s a reason why Zak’s not been in the squad & it’s because he’s not good enough. I’m using it as a example not just calling him out. The truth is we’ve got too many like Zak . Not good enough & this goes back to the root of the problem . Lansdown allowing Ashton to let the wage bill climb but reducing the quality in the squad. The prime example of this is Kasey Palmer. 
there was a big clear out in the summer & one or two I’m sure Pearson would of kept but finances dictated. How did we get into a situation where 12-13 players contracts had ran down . No sell on value at all. It’s dereliction of duty. How would changing a manager sort this mess out. There’s another 5 or 6 that need to go but who’s going to take them on the wages they're on & where’s the money coming from to replace them. Lansdown yet again has created his own problems. Point the finger at the real problem.  

[OneTeamInBristol]

29 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

If we do get relegated then it’s on one man & that ain’t Pearson . 

If we do get relegated (I don't think we will by the way) then of course a lot of that fault would be on Pearson's shoulders, he's the manager of the football team for gods sake.

[Super]

1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

Yes we will go down if this carries on . To not blame the people who put us in this mess though is very blinkered . Who assembled the squad in general ? Who employed the person who assembled this squad. With a spiralling wage bill & clear neglect that allowed 12 players to walk away with out being able to recoup any money on them. Was that Nigel Pearson ? I’ll answer that. The answer is no. He’s inherited a ******* mess of a club that’s been allowed to drift rudderless for 4 years . However , some people want to blame the manager , who in relative terms has been here 5 minutes. 
Please name a manager that would be attainable , that could come in & turn it around in just a few games. With what is quite honestly a squad that is largely not fit for purpose. 

Give it a rest. Most say Pearson should be doing better unless you disagree with that.

[Super]

2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

100% . As I’ve said , imo it’s lazy to just call for the managers head. I’m not supportive of Pearson because of the man but because of the situation . Look at Tuesday . Just one snippet , vyner getting bullied & the wrong side of Deeney for the second goal . There’s a reason why Zak’s not been in the squad & it’s because he’s not good enough. I’m using it as a example not just calling him out. The truth is we’ve got too many like Zak . Not good enough & this goes back to the root of the problem . Lansdown allowing Ashton to let the wage bill climb but reducing the quality in the squad. The prime example of this is Kasey Palmer. 
there was a big clear out in the summer & one or two I’m sure Pearson would of kept but finances dictated. How did we get into a situation where 12-13 players contracts had ran down . No sell on value at all. It’s dereliction of duty. How would changing a manager sort this mess out. There’s another 5 or 6 that need to go but who’s going to take them on the wages they're on & where’s the money coming from to replace them. Lansdown yet again has created his own problems. Point the finger at the real problem.  

Vyner who HE brought into the team.

[Waconda]

8 minutes ago, OneTeamInBristol said:

If we do get relegated (I don't think we will by the way) then of course a lot of that fault would be on Pearson's shoulders, he's the manager of the football team for gods sake.

The absolution of Pearson of any blame is quite astounding at times.

[Super]

Just now, VT05763 said:

The absolution of Pearson of any blame is quite astounding at times.

It's laughable.

[Waconda]

1 minute ago, Super said:

It's laughable.

"Cult " like.

[RobintheRed Red]

When you think were all shitting a brick were going down hoping other teams are deducted points how shit have we become of we get away with it this year lansdown needs to stop this penny pinching as we wont keep getting away with it.

[steviestevieneville]

7 minutes ago, Super said:

Vyner who HE brought into the team.

This the reason I call you out. Nothing personal but it’s embarrassing. 
Read my post properly . It was a example & because of injury had no choice but to use him . As I said . This is where the squad is. It’s not good enough but it’s what Pearson has inherited . 
But it’s ok , you just pick one word out of a post and repost with a idiotic reply . Super    yeah right. 

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

As of today, what are the good arguments to sack him? I don't think I have even seen anyone suggested he should be sacked...

Pretty much the only argument for sacking a manager is, presumably, “He’s not doing very well, let’s replace him with someone who could do better”?

[steviestevieneville]

13 minutes ago, Super said:

Give it a rest. Most say Pearson should be doing better unless you disagree with that.

You really don’t read or can’t read properly. I said I defend the situation he’s in. So your & others lazy response is to sack the manager. When the next one comes in & can’t get a tune of the players because they’re not good enough , what do you do then ? 

4 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

"Cult " like.

You still haven’t answered my reply to you . How would royal Lowe turn us around ? 

[Super]

1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

This the reason I call you out. Nothing personal but it’s embarrassing. 
Read my post properly . It was a example & because of injury had no choice but to use him . As I said . This is where the squad is. It’s not good enough but it’s what Pearson has inherited . 
But it’s ok , you just pick one word out of a post and repost with a idiotic reply . Super    yeah right. 

So we had no other option but to play Vyner? He didn't have to play 3 CB's.

[steviestevieneville]

2 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Pretty much the only argument for sacking a manager is, presumably, “He’s not doing very well, let’s replace him with someone who could do better”?

This is where the argument is lazy . How & who would come in to turn around this current squad . I mean lansdowns history with picking managers is outstanding isn’t it. 

[Super]

1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

You really don’t read or can’t read properly. I said I defend the situation he’s in. So your & others lazy response is to sack the manager. When the next one comes in & can’t get a tune of the players because they’re not good enough , what do you do then ? 

You still haven’t answered my reply to you . How would royal Lowe turn us around ? 

I do to a point but performances and results should be better. 

[steviestevieneville]

1 minute ago, Super said:

So we had no other option but to play Vyner? He didn't have to play 3 CB's.

yes he did to match up Birmingham & try to stop us leaking goals  but also to be more solid in midfield. But yet again your completely missing the point . My post wasn’t about Zak per se but about the lack of quality in the squad & how we’ve got to this point. Read the bloody post properly . 

[054123]

14 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

The absolution of Pearson of any blame is quite astounding at times.

Absolution of blame?

No, I’m quite happy to apportion it to all guilty parties

[Super]

Just now, steviestevieneville said:

yes he did to match up Birmingham & try to stop us leaking goals  but also to be more solid in midfield. But yet again your completely missing the point . My post wasn’t about Zak per se but about the lack of quality in the squad & how we’ve got to this point. Read the bloody post properly . 

I don't get your point tbh. You said he had no choice but to use Vyner and i pointed out that he did.

[Kid in the Riot]

13 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Pretty much the only argument for sacking a manager is, presumably, “He’s not doing very well, let’s replace him with someone who could do better”?

Who could do better?

[steviestevieneville]

3 minutes ago, Super said:

I do to a point but performances and results should be better. 

I fully expected us to be where we are . I said in the summer this season will be a grind. The players simply are not good enough . You can debate selection & tactics yes. However , the bigger question is. Why has he drafted young lads like benorous into the squad ahead of KP  or brought in a kid at right back who has shown ( and it’s not a dig at him) to be learning on the job ) over vyner . He’s trying to find solutions & plug leaks . My overall point is. Like  O’driscoll , Pearson is picking up the pieces for mistakes made behind the scenes. Mistakes that the owner never learns from . 

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Who could do better?

Ryan Lowe  apparently but  no explanation as to why 

[Super]

3 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

I fully expected us to be where we are . I said in the summer this season will be a grind. The players simply are not good enough . You can debate selection & tactics yes. However , the bigger question is. Why has he drafted young lads like benorous into the squad ahead of KP  or brought in a kid at right back who has shown ( and it’s not a dig at him) to be learning on the job ) over vyner . He’s trying to find solutions & plug leaks . My overall point is. Like  O’driscoll , Pearson is picking up the pieces for mistakes made behind the scenes. Mistakes that the owner never learns from . 

Ryan Lowe  apparently but  no explanation as to why 

Fair point.

[steviestevieneville]

6 minutes ago, Super said:

I don't get your point tbh. You said he had no choice but to use Vyner and i pointed out that he did.

seriously ? You’re laughably completely ignoring my point . I’ll spell it out again . ZAK WAS A EXAMPLE AS TO HOW POOR THE SQUAD IS. I hope this helps 

[Super]

Just now, steviestevieneville said:

seriously ? You’re laughably completely ignoring my point . I’ll spell it out again . ZAK WAS A EXAMPLE AS TO HOW POOR THE SQUAD IS. I hope this helps 

Lets leave it there we don't agree and that's fine. Move on.

[Tin Soldier]

Relying on points deductions to other clubs to ensure City stay up is just laughable. Lansdown FFS has had years to get his management team in place and just look at the mess he has created. Some on here need to wake up. Changing the manager will make no difference at all, probably nail us down to relegation. NP needs time to sort out the crap that still exists in the club (plenty to go yet). Then judge him. But give him a season at least.
There will be plenty more Birmingham away shambles along the way, that is for sure.

[Kid in the Riot]

16 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

I fully expected us to be where we are . I said in the summer this season will be a grind. The players simply are not good enough . You can debate selection & tactics yes. However , the bigger question is. Why has he drafted young lads like benorous into the squad ahead of KP  or brought in a kid at right back who has shown ( and it’s not a dig at him) to be learning on the job ) over vyner . He’s trying to find solutions & plug leaks . My overall point is. Like  O’driscoll , Pearson is picking up the pieces for mistakes made behind the scenes. Mistakes that the owner never learns from . 

Benarous is another good example showing how much of a mess we are in. He's only just turned 18, and unlike Alex Scott, has never played men's football. Pearson has such a lack of trust in some of the players he has inherited that he's having to gamble with players that are too young and have only ever played development football. 

[steviestevieneville]

23 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Benarous is another good example showing how much of a mess we are in. He's only just turned 18, and unlike Alex Scott, has never played men's football. Pearson has such a lack of trust in some of the players he has inherited that he's having to gamble with players that are too young and have only ever played development football. 

You said that better than me but thats what I meant . He’s trying to improve us with one arm tied behind his back. 
just staying up would be a successful season imo. 

[maxjak]

7 hours ago, Robbored said:

Nothing is achieved or lost in November.

That's Deep.

[RedM]

It's a very simplified view, but in colour our season so far looks like this;

 

[WessexPest]

Mowbray tried to brush off their mullering by Fulham by saying it’s the first time they’ve lost by more than one goal in over a year. Oh dear.

[Mr Popodopolous]

14 hours ago, RedM said:

We sit 19th in the table which isn’t nice to see. Amazed to realise,at the moment at least, there are 5 teams worse than us, hardly seems possible. 

It's only really been since the return from the 2nd International break that we've collapsed- we seemed steady enough up to Peterborough away IMO.

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 hours ago, Robbored said:

The familiar curse of injuries prevent that from happening. Williams and Baker along with Semenyo and recently James. There’s three or four that would be in the starting 11.

Nige has had to introduce youngsters to fill the places but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s all first team experience after all.

It must be every managers dream to have a fully fit squad to select from.

King first reserve too- in the 18 anyway.

That's 3 starters, perhaps 4 and the remainder to call upon off the bench- unavailable.

[Davefevs]

8 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I think that’s a little unfair, Dave.  I think both ‘sides’ have made it pretty clear why they hold the views they do about Pearson.  If anything, the sort of comments I’ve found hardest to accept have been the fairly frequent “If you can’t see what Pearson is doing and what progress he is making you must be a moron” comments.

I think some posters on either side of the debate articulate their views well….but there are a great many who just post baseless crap.  The example you use above is an example of baseless crap, as is stuff like “Nige out - he’s lost it”

I’m not sure that winning and losing makes a huge amount of difference.  I certainly came away from Ashton on Saturday feeling only marginally more cheerful than if we’d lost.  What has been so dispiriting is the lack of cohesion and the lack of fight in the team, and the inability of the manager to do anything about it.

Read the MDT, it’s so knee-jerk and Agenda based.  I often read it back on a Monday and laugh at how biased people are.  Regular offenders!

I have nothing against Pearson (I met him once three or four years ago and had an interesting conversation with him, in the course of which I got the impression he didn’t think much of Bristol City) but I am worried that he is not motivating the team, and I am concerned by some of his selections and his substitutions.  I have a good friend who is a Leicester fan and still believes that Pearson walks on water, but everyone has a sell-by date and I worry that in the past three years the game has moved on and Pearson hasn’t moved with it.

What you post above is absolutely fine and something a discussion can be built around.  Opinions with reasons are fine.  Cutting down someone else with a different opinion and rationale is not.

That said I understand why people are defensive of him, but at the moment I think both sides can probably accept that there are good arguments for and against retaining him.

and therein lies how a good forum works.  But some posters aren’t capable of doing that and over time you realise who they are.  In some cases I honestly question whether they actually support City, because I don’t buy the “I only want City to do well” type comments.

[RedM]

I think people need to be motivated to do well in their jobs once they have been there and done it before, and I’m including Pearson and players in this, what is the motivation?

They are motivated by money, which shouldn’t be too much of an issue by now I would think?

Pride, personal pride to do well or pride in the team. If they don’t see the need to prove themselves or be motivated to do so it’s not going to translate onto the pitch. 

A feel for the club. How many are here just because it’s a contract, nearing the end of their careers and no feeling for the club. 

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, RedM said:

I think people need to be motivated to do well in their jobs once they have been there and done it before, and I’m including Pearson and players in this, what is the motivation?

They are motivated by money, which shouldn’t be too much of an issue by now I would think?

Pride, personal pride to do well or pride in the team. If they don’t see the need to prove themselves or be motivated to do so it’s not going to translate onto the pitch. 

A feel for the club. How many are here just because it’s a contract, nearing the end of their careers and no feeling for the club. 

I think he sees us as a mini-Leicester, great potential, but in need of a guiding hand - his guiding hand.

He could easily be retiring in Devon, doing his walks, maybe not fighting wolves….although an aim to be fighting Wolves in the PL.

I think he sees a generally well-intentioned club, that appears to be well-run on the outside, but those 3 months last season found a mess beneath the surface.

His motivation is turning it around.