Bristol Clean Air Zone

[RedRock]

Just now, sh1t_ref_again said:

This from a Labour Council, who are going to be affected the most? People with the least amount of money who can only afford older  cars, absolutely disgraceful decision making

Erm….. I think the impact of cars re-routing is likely to be greatest in higher income areas. So, The Mayor will have managed to piss about everyone off.

[weepywall]

15 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Erm….. I think the impact of cars re-routing is likely to be greatest in higher income areas. So, The Mayor will have managed to piss about everyone off.

Exactly this, its what has happened in Bath, apparently the air has improved in the zone but got worse outside of zone, you just move the problem to a wider area.

[CyderInACan]

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz

All relevant info here 

[Bristol Rob]

7 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz

All relevant info here 

Thanks Reg.

Well, my car is compliant so no charge, not that I use it very often.

I await the inevitable stories in the Bristol Post about the rise in number plates being stolen.

Does look like a huge number of cars are likely to fall in to the nothing to worry about area. Until they change it when they realise it isn't making the money they hoped.

[And Its Smith]

Bristols zone is stricter than most as well. I searched my old car, a 9 year old VW Passat 2.0 diesel and would only be charged in two areas, one being Bristol 

[CyderInACan]

36 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz

All relevant info here 

And some background here 

https://thebristolcable.org/2021/11/bristol-clean-air-zone-illegal-air-pollution-in-2020/

[Sir Geoff]

Put a bag or bike rack over your number plates..problem solved.

[sh1t_ref_again]

1 hour ago, RedRock said:

Erm….. I think the impact of cars re-routing is likely to be greatest in higher income areas. So, The Mayor will have managed to piss about everyone off.

People in higher income areas will more likely have newer cars that comply and therefore not charged, older cars will be charged or face a longer journey to avoid the charge, unless they live within the catchment then after 2022 will be charged anyway.

[lenred]

11 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

People in higher income areas will more likely have newer cars that comply and therefore not charged, older cars will be charged or face a longer journey to avoid the charge, unless they live within the catchment then after 2022 will be charged anyway.

They will but the posher areas will now see a hell of a lot more traffic because of the restrictions is the point that I think is being made.  So the residents in those areas won’t be happy. It’s a complete and utter shit show every way around.  

Edited October 24, 2022 by lenred

[lenred]

56 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Bristols zone is stricter than most as well. I searched my old car, a 9 year old VW Passat 2.0 diesel and would only be charged in two areas, one being Bristol 

Exactly the same for me. Yet again different rules for different people in different cities.  ‘Ing ridiculous.    

[Bristol Rob]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

Bristols zone is stricter than most as well. I searched my old car, a 9 year old VW Passat 2.0 diesel and would only be charged in two areas, one being Bristol 

9 quid.

That's scandalous. 

I'm sure it won't be long until someone says 'get a new car', but your car is newer than mine and is being run on a fuel the government suggested we use!

9 quid is mental. If you need to go in to the centre for work, you could be shelling out another £180 a month.

So not only are you being robbed blind by the clean air charge, Marvin has probably knocked a lump off the resell value of your wagon as well.

[And Its Smith]

8 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

9 quid.

That's scandalous. 

I'm sure it won't be long until someone says 'get a new car', but your car is newer than mine and is being run on a fuel the government suggested we use!

9 quid is mental. If you need to go in to the centre for work, you could be shelling out another £180 a month.

So not only are you being robbed blind by the clean air charge, Marvin has probably knocked a lump off the resell value of your wagon as well.

It’s a bit of a joke for sure. I’m lucky that my company car has been changed a couple of years ago so I will face no charge.  Might well drive scooter demand through the roof.  If I was on my own (and not with my son) that is how I would get to games I think 

[W-S-M Seagull]

1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

9 quid.

That's scandalous. 

I'm sure it won't be long until someone says 'get a new car', but your car is newer than mine and is being run on a fuel the government suggested we use!

9 quid is mental. If you need to go in to the centre for work, you could be shelling out another £180 a month.

So not only are you being robbed blind by the clean air charge, Marvin has probably knocked a lump off the resell value of your wagon as well.

If for example someone has a vehicle that isn't exempt and they have to travel into the zone quite a lot and therefore having to pay the charge then the ironic thing is that them being charged makes it even more unlikely that they will be able to switch their vehicle to a more environmentally friendly vehicle. 

This is a tax on the poor, by a Labour Council. 

I've no doubt that we'd all love to drive a Tesla, but for many that is very unrealistic. 

[TheReds]

3 hours ago, weepywall said:

Exactly this, its what has happened in Bath, apparently the air has improved in the zone but got worse outside of zone, you just move the problem to a wider area.

How bizarre, I mean who could see that coming....

It's about getting money in and nothing else. I wonder if the Council workers still exempt regardless of their emissions..

[jj77]

10 minutes ago, TheReds said:

How bizarre, I mean who could see that coming....

It's about getting money in and nothing else. I wonder if the Council workers still exempt regardless of their emissions..

No, there is no kind of benefit working for the council whatsoever.

[weepywall]

9 minutes ago, TheReds said:

How bizarre, I mean who could see that coming....

It's about getting money in and nothing else. I wonder if the Council workers still exempt regardless of their emissions..

To be fair it's only commercial vehicles in Bath at the moment but BANES did send out about 8k in fines to themselves for non compliant vehicles

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 hours ago, lenred said:

They will but the posher areas will now see a hell of a lot more traffic because of the restrictions is the point that I think is being made.  So the residents in those areas won’t be happy. It’s a complete and utter shit show every way around.  

I remember when Bridge Valley Road was closed for an extended period. The Portway was free flowing however lots of rat runs were created throughout Clifton and I can see the same happening with this. 

The A369 is going to become a nightmare. It already has its issues at times. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

I don't follow this particularly as I don't drive but presumably the different Clean Air Zone in different places are linked to the scale of the problem.

Greater pollution, congestion related pollution whatever, the stronger the requirements and assume it is also on some level of objective criteria.

[glynriley]

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

If for example someone has a vehicle that isn't exempt and they have to travel into the zone quite a lot and therefore having to pay the charge then the ironic thing is that them being charged makes it even more unlikely that they will be able to switch their vehicle to a more environmentally friendly vehicle. 

This is a tax on the poor, by a Labour Council. 

I've no doubt that we'd all love to drive a Tesla, but for many that is very unrealistic. 

Isn't this about getting people on to public transport..?

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Isn't this about getting people on to public transport..?

What public transport? 

As other have said, this splits Bristol in two. Travelling between North and South Bristol on public transport is very time consuming. 

[Mad Cyril]

Talk about changing, not solving the problem.

Mr Johnnie Diesel and his mates avoid the centre due to the charge. Makes the road less busy for Mr Bertie Petrol and his mates, who can travel in more frequently than before, so nothing really changes.

It's not as if a half decent bus service is available as an alternative. 

[lenred]

5 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Isn't this about getting people on to public transport..?

Be great if that was possible.   To get from where I live (near the county ground) to AG takes an hour on the bus on a good day and that’s without waiting times.   It’s ridiculous.   

[glynriley]

2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

What public transport? 

As other have said, this splits Bristol in two. Travelling between North and South Bristol on public transport is very time consuming. 

Public transport travelling into the city centre (the clean air zone) is pretty good in my experience. I use it every day.

[W-S-M Seagull]

13 minutes ago, lenred said:

Be great if that was possible.   To get from where I live (near the county ground) to AG takes an hour on the bus on a good day and that’s without waiting times.   It’s ridiculous.   

And if the busses actually turn up. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

I think this can be a necessary evil but MUST go hand in hand with significantly improved, quality, quantity and affordability of better public transport provision. Bristol and elsewhere.

Parts of it are alright but it's too hit and miss, concentrated in certain areas and certainly the outer edges of the city will not be well covered. Prices could be better too although the balance of service vs commercial necessity etc etc.

[CyderInACan]

None of us will need cars once the underground is up & running . 

[Lanterne Rouge]

Just now, CyderInACan said:

None of us will need cars once the underground is up & running . 

The s*ggies will if the underground uses the tunnels that they use to get to AG.

That is if they ever play here again.

[CyderInACan]

3 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

That is if they ever play here again.

We'll all be teleporting everywhere by then! 

[Sixtyseconds]

 

6 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

We'll all be teleporting everywhere by then! 

Marvin does already.

No fuel emissions with that man. 

[Homer Simpson]

31 minutes ago, Sixtyseconds said:

 

Marvin does already.

No fuel emissions with that man. 

Might not be fuel, but definitely emissions. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Homer Simpson
Fun.

[Sixtyseconds]

12 minutes ago, Homer Simpson said:

Might not be fuel, but definitely emissions. 

Dont be cynical.

Rees can levitate across continents. 

He will heal pollution and the ozone layer and everything.

A metro in the sky will be built and run on vegan gasses to get us to that arena where he wants and only his business buddies want.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Sixtyseconds

[Bristol Rob]

1 hour ago, CyderInACan said:

None of us will need cars once the underground is up & running . 

I can't wait to take the underground up the arena some time 2 years back.

[richyy66]

5 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

9 quid.

That's scandalous. 

I'm sure it won't be long until someone says 'get a new car', but your car is newer than mine and is being run on a fuel the government suggested we use!

9 quid is mental. If you need to go in to the centre for work, you could be shelling out another £180 a month.

So not only are you being robbed blind by the clean air charge, Marvin has probably knocked a lump off the resell value of your wagon as well.

Mines the same. 64 plate - Its fine for Bath CAZ but not Bristol CAZ. There is no consistency.

[Talk Of The Town]

I need to travel from Ashton to Redland in my old van.  I can’t afford to change my van. I will drive along the clanage and up over the suspension bridge to avoid the clean air zone. I wonder how many people will do the same and how long the bridge fare will remain £1

Edited October 24, 2022 by Bobby Bollax
Grammar

[weepywall]

4 minutes ago, richyy66 said:

Mines the same. 64 plate - Its fine for Bath CAZ but not Bristol CAZ. There is no consistency.

Only commercial vehicles in Bath, at the moment, cars will come in at some stage that's for sure.

[The Humble Realist]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42350706

Talking of the underground....its going to be built in 5 years time.

This just highlights what absolute rubbish the plans were to begin with. 

Anyone can promise anything 'in ten years time'

Rees wont even be mayor at the end of 2024

[richyy66]

2 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42350706

Talking of the underground....its going to be built in 5 years time.

This just highlights what absolute rubbish the plans were to begin with. 

Anyone can promise anything 'in ten years time'

Rees wont even be mayor at the end of 2024

No, he won't , as the people of Bristol voted in a referendum to not have the position of a Bristol Mayor anymore. His pathetic legacy will unfortunately remain as a reminder of what an absoloute waste of tax payers money he was. 

[Flounder]

My 62 plate car is one that is going to be charged for the privilege of driving into Bristol. Baring this in mind I thought I'd experiment with our public transportation system for our last home game. I mean how bad could a return trip between Downend and Ashton Gate be? Well I got there without a hitch but coming home I was faced with this (see pic)

What a shower of . 45 min wait for a bus at 5.40pm on a Saturday.

Bristol is the 5 largest City in England.

First Group made a profit of 806 million last year

All stick, no carrot!

Edited October 24, 2022 by Flounder

[Taz]

13 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz

All relevant info here 

Thanks for that, have checked both mine and the wife's cars, and thankfully when we visit mum and dad, we're fine in both cars.

However my old car, which I was advised to buy by the government (£20 road tax pa) was a 64 plate diesel focus. That would cost me £9 a time. That was a 1.6, my current car being a 2.0 diesel Kuga is absolutely fine. 

[And Its Smith]

Starts today…..how long until the area is extended?  Surely within 2 years max 

[BTRFTG]

Join the club as we've had the pillock mayor up here expand London's zone to the whole of the inside the M25 whilst adding in another unwanted tunnel that will double traffic through an already choc-o-bloc tunnel link.

Sod all to do with air quality, everything to do with raising money for his stupid schemes. If I wish to go north of the river without paying a toll its a 60 mile, polluting drive.

[pillred]

17 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Starts today…..how long until the area is extended?  Surely within 2 years max 

How cynical (correct) of you.

[exAtyeoMax]

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/bristols-clean-air-zone-now-live/

 

[exAtyeoMax]

https://www.cleanairforbristol.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Small-CAZ-D-Final-2021.pdf

 

[Red-Robbo]

I'm not in favour of these schemes. Having lived with congestion charge in London for yonks, you soon realise that traffic is like water. Damn it up one way, it simply runs another, sometimes with disastrous effects.

The car I drive to games will be exempt from Bristol's charges, so by taking some larger vehicles and vans off the roads, it might actually make my journey options wider and easier - but that's not the point.

The real solution is by taking public transport back under public control and extending its scope and reliability, not to mention actually having a system that reliably tells you where buses are: the so-called First Bus App is a joke in Somerset. 

Last season, I took buses to games, but after the fourth time I found myself stranded because the evening bus back had been cancelled, I gave up and went back on the road. A negative for me and my mates (one of us has to stay sober) and the environment.

The way buses operate is so ******* random. My daughters would take one to school if they could. It's a two-mile journey, but unlike when I was a kid, the roads are too dangerous now to cycle in. They have to have to be there 8:30-8:45. There was a bus, but then First changed the time of arrival in Wells to either 8:05 or 9:05 - making it unusable by children. Result, lots of harassed mums and dads clogging up the roads every morning. 

 

[BCFC Rich]

4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

I'm not in favour of these schemes. Having lived with congestion charge in London for yonks, you soon realise that traffic is like water. Damn it up one way, it simply runs another, sometimes with disastrous effects.

The car I drive to games will be exempt from Bristol's charges, so by taking some larger vehicles and vans off the roads, it might actually make my journey options wider and easier - but that's not the point.

The real solution is by taking public transport back under public control and extending its scope and reliability, not to mention actually having a system that reliably tells you where buses are: the so-called First Bus App is a joke in Somerset. 

Last season, I took buses to games, but after the fourth time I found myself stranded because the evening bus back had been cancelled, I gave up and went back on the road. A negative for me and my mates (one of us has to stay sober) and the environment.

The way buses operate is so ******* random. My daughters would take one to school if they could. It's a two-mile journey, but unlike when I was a kid, the roads are too dangerous now to cycle in. They have to have to be there 8:30-8:45. There was a bus, but then First changed the time of arrival in Wells to either 8:05 or 9:05 - making it unusable by children. Result, lots of harassed mums and dads clogging up the roads every morning. 

 

I admit this is from memory when I last lived in London (years and years ago). But I'm pretty sure the congestion plays a big part in raising the funds for maintaining, improving and expanding the transport network. Not sure if anyone has figures on that. My personal feeling is the congestion charge ciuold be a good thing as long as money raised goes back into transportation. 

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, BCFC Rich said:

I admit this is from memory when I last lived in London (years and years ago). But I'm pretty sure the congestion plays a big part in raising the funds for maintaining, improving and expanding the transport network. Not sure if anyone has figures on that. My personal feeling is the congestion charge ciuold be a good thing as long as money raised goes back into transportation. 

I didn't mind it centrally, which is excellently served for public transport. Let's be honest, you really don't have to drive in central London unless you're delivering something heavy or working with heavy equipment there, or have a genuine disability. Ken Livingstone's western extension however targeted areas that may have had many miles between tube stations and the suspicion was he left east London alone because he got more votes there. 

[Bas's perfect hattrick]

7 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

I'm not in favour of these schemes. Having lived with congestion charge in London for yonks, you soon realise that traffic is like water. Damn it up one way, it simply runs another, sometimes with disastrous effects.

The car I drive to games will be exempt from Bristol's charges, so by taking some larger vehicles and vans off the roads, it might actually make my journey options wider and easier - but that's not the point.

The real solution is by taking public transport back under public control and extending its scope and reliability, not to mention actually having a system that reliably tells you where buses are: the so-called First Bus App is a joke in Somerset. 

Last season, I took buses to games, but after the fourth time I found myself stranded because the evening bus back had been cancelled, I gave up and went back on the road. A negative for me and my mates (one of us has to stay sober) and the environment.

The way buses operate is so ******* random. My daughters would take one to school if they could. It's a two-mile journey, but unlike when I was a kid, the roads are too dangerous now to cycle in. They have to have to be there 8:30-8:45. There was a bus, but then First changed the time of arrival in Wells to either 8:05 or 9:05 - making it unusable by children. Result, lots of harassed mums and dads clogging up the roads every morning. 

 

Totally agree that the UK's public transport is useless (apart from maybe central London). It's been basically sabotaged by years of privatisation and underfunding, and the cuts in the 60s which robbed the country of most of its local train network. 

However, I live in Berlin which has excellent public transport and a decent network of cycle paths, and yet many people still choose to drive. 

Cars are great for convenience, but bad for just about everything else: air and noise pollution, vast areas of the country given over to roads and car parks, road traffic deaths etc. 

I get why some people need to drive - if you have limited mobility, or young kids, when you've got a van load of tools, or when there's no bus/train for your route, or when you're heading to the football with a car full of mates for example. But I have colleagues here who drive to work in the office because it takes 45 mins by bus vs. 30 mins by car - which leads to all the problems I mentioned above and more congestion for people who really need to drive. 

Understand your point about these congestion schemes, but equally I don't think simply making public transport better will drastically reduce the congestion on the roads - not until driving is less comfortable and/or people stop seeing the car as the default method of getting around. Expand the scope of public transport, make it affordable... and make driving more expensive/less convenient. 

Just my opinion and maybe not a popular one, but I hope that car traffic will be restricted in city centres. As you mentioned, the roads are now too dangerous to cycle in - largely I imagine by the sheer volume of traffic. 

[forbespm]

Am I correct I thinking I won't have to pay it if I use the portway park and ride!?

I drive from Gloucester so not really sure about all this.

I regularly go to gigs in Bristol too but will knock that on the head of I 

Have to pay that on top of tickets..doesn't seem good for the economy

[Slippin cider]

28 minutes ago, forbespm said:

Am I correct I thinking I won't have to pay it if I use the portway park and ride!?

I drive from Gloucester so not really sure about all this.

I regularly go to gigs in Bristol too but will knock that on the head of I 

Have to pay that on top of tickets..doesn't seem good for the economy

You’re ok using the P&R ….you can actually drive to the bottom of the portway but then have to turn left and go up Bridge Valley road otherwise you enter the CAZ .

[archie andrews]

37 minutes ago, forbespm said:

Am I correct I thinking I won't have to pay it if I use the portway park and ride!?

I drive from Gloucester so not really sure about all this.

I regularly go to gigs in Bristol too but will knock that on the head of I 

Have to pay that on top of tickets..doesn't seem good for the economy

Train cant be much dearer...... Can it? 

[RedRock]

Has anyone asked The Mayor for an explanation as to why part of The Portway and Cumberland Basin is included the scheme?
 

If the scheme is about improving air quality, I just can’t see the reasoning for the inclusion of those sections of highway. Assume it must have been justified somehow as a legal challenge would surely have been raised. 

[Frenchay Red]

1 minute ago, RedRock said:

Has anyone asked The Mayor for an explanation as to why part of The Portway and Cumberland Basin is included the scheme?
 

If the scheme is about improving air quality, I just can’t see the reasoning for the inclusion of those sections of highway. Assume it must have been justified somehow as a legal challenge would surely have been raised. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

3 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Has anyone asked The Mayor for an explanation as to why part of The Portway and Cumberland Basin is included the scheme?
 

If the scheme is about improving air quality, I just can’t see the reasoning for the inclusion of those sections of highway. Assume it must have been justified somehow as a legal challenge would surely have been raised. 

Some bs about catching as many drivers as possible so that it will encourage more people to switch their vehicles to environmentally friendly vehicles. I think they have totally missed the point there. The majority of those that will be charged are not switching out of choice, but becauss they simply can't afford to. 

North and South Bristol has essentially been cut off from each other now for the working class. 

[exAtyeoMax]

wrong thread

Edited November 28, 2022 by exAtyeoMax

[Coombsy]

56 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Has anyone asked The Mayor for an explanation as to why part of The Portway and Cumberland Basin is included the scheme?
 

If the scheme is about improving air quality, I just can’t see the reasoning for the inclusion of those sections of highway. Assume it must have been justified somehow as a legal challenge would surely have been raised. 

Or is he’s a gas head

[Jan Window]

The big decisions are not for the mayor to take.  Many urban areas are in breach of an EU standard for the amount of particulates in Breathing Air.

We are not in the EU any more, why are we bothered?  My guess (I don't really know) is that people with health problems like not being able to breathe will start suing the government.  There was a coroners decision on that in South London.

So areas with the high levels need to have schemes.  To deflect the heat from themselves, the government put the design of the schemes over to the local authorities.  But, the government gets to refuse a scheme if it is either too expensive, or it clearly isn't going to have an impact on particulates.

The mayor had some schemes turned down for these reasons.

I guess the reason that Bristol is badly affected is that it is a bowl surrounded by hills, gorges and escarpments.  If we are pumping particulates into the air at the bottom, that is where it is difficult to escape from and builds up.

Sorry, that was a bit boring.

 

[petehinton]

Put this charge in, force people to get buses. Cancel all the buses and make them unreliable beyond belief. Bring in electric scooters, berate everyone and anyone who uses one as ‘unsafe’. Make cycling incredibly different due to so many roadworks running over cycle lanes. 
 

what do they genuinely expect people to do? Just stump up and pay the charge, meaning lose (for the payer) lose (for the environment, is this about the environment and clean air after all). No matter what you try and do, there’s a fairly big negative against it. 

[And Its Smith]

The scooter is the best way to get around Bristol no question. Cheap, convenient, quick, no pollution. Not always convenient but when possible, it’s the best way 

[CyderInACan]

8 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

The scooter is the best way to get around Bristol no question. Cheap, convenient, quick, no pollution. Not always convenient but when possible, it’s the best way 

The closest we've got yet to the hoverboards of Back to the Future - they're a bloody menace though, well, not the scooters per se but some of the people riding them on pavements/more than one person on there/ignoring traffic lights etc etc are bloody liabilities quite frankly. 

[Tony Tootle]

13 hours ago, Slippin cider said:

You’re ok using the P&R ….you can actually drive to the bottom of the portway but then have to turn left and go up Bridge Valley road otherwise you enter the CAZ .

The whole of Bridge Valley Road is included in the CAZ. Another example of this scheme not making any sense.

[And Its Smith]

37 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

The closest we've got yet to the hoverboards of Back to the Future - they're a bloody menace though, well, not the scooters per se but some of the people riding them on pavements/more than one person on there/ignoring traffic lights etc etc are bloody liabilities quite frankly. 

They shouldn’t be any more of a menace than bikes but yes some complete nutters riding them. 

[forbespm]

12 hours ago, archie andrews said:

Train cant be much dearer...... Can it? 

Yes,thinking of using the train more ,not that expensive but a longer journey.bus to Gloucester station,bus from temple meads.wish they opened up the line by the ship and castle

[CyderInACan]

11 minutes ago, TomF said:

I would hope when Marv finally ***** off that these areas are reversed but I doubt it 

If anything it'll only grow in size, not reduce

[CyderInACan]

6 minutes ago, TomF said:

Part of me is a bit surprised none of the cameras have been taken out yet.  

I'm sure it will happen! 

[Barrs Court Red]

17 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

If anything it'll only grow in size, not reduce

Oh no doubt it will grow, not just in size but by type of car that’s chargeable.  

[Bristol Rob]

Yesterday, clean air zone.

Today, fog so thick it was silly. Now, if we can agree based on no scientific merit whatsoever that the fog was smog, we can blame Marv for it.

[Kid in the Riot]

12 hours ago, RedRock said:

Has anyone asked The Mayor for an explanation as to why part of The Portway and Cumberland Basin is included the scheme?

Because it is within Bristol's AQMA (Air quality management area), as is most of the city.

When Andrea Leadsom was environment sec, her department basically got told by the courts that her air management strategy was unlawful as it was failing to deal with the hundreds of thousands of people that die prematurely in the UK partly due to poor air quality. 

The government were given a timescale to sort this out, and they basically passed the buck to local authorities to sort it out. Hence all the clean air zones we are now seeing. 

I think we've got off lightly in the first instance, as the clean air zone covers a small area of the city. They've targeted the worst area for air quality. Bristol had no choice in reality though, unless BCC fancied getting sued, which wouldn't have been ideal given its current financial predicament. 

[frenchred]

I believe Liverpool city council had the balls not to implement it after a huge backlash in manchester

[spudski]

They are going to have to find a better more sustainable way, than using lithium battery's. Very difficult and expensive to recycle. And apparently only 70 years left of lithium on the planet. You can imagine the price, problems as it gets scarcer. Sticking a plaster over a problem ATM.