Pearson & Fleming : OUT

[pillred]

33 minutes ago, M.D said:

I was very much happy when we got Nice in

But, he has done nothing in his managerial career without a team behind him of Shakespeare, Rennie and Walsh and he is without two key components.

His results for us and at other clubs without Shakespeare prove this..

Trouble is it's not turned out nice again.

Edited November 6, 2021 by pillred

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

1 minute ago, bris red said:

I wasn’t having a dig I’m just curious to know who we could bring in right now that would improve the situation..

Fair enough- emotions running high for us all. I dont know who would be better and this is probably the only thing I've got in common with Mr Lansdown.

[Ostrich]

29 minutes ago, M.D said:

I was very much happy when we got Nice in

But, he has done nothing in his managerial career without a team behind him of Shakespeare, Rennie and Walsh and he is without two key components.

His results for us and at other clubs without Shakespeare prove this..

Tbf, the rate Villa are going, if Pearson stays then there’s a possible route to adding Shakey 

[Nigelmalta]

There is something wrong with our players. You can’t concede so many goals in injury time as professionals.  You can’t blame the Manager only.

something seriously wrong with their attitude….

they are a disgrace!!

 

 

 

 

[Bedred31]

The truly depressing bit is feeling the need to add ‘& Fleming’ to the title, because you just know that if SL sacks NP tonight, he’ll wake up tomorrow convinced that his no 2 is just the man for the job. I think we’re going to have to double down on this, support NP with everything we’ve got to the end of the season, while devising a pretty big prayer rota.

[M.D]

3 minutes ago, Ostrich said:

Tbf, the rate Villa are going, if Pearson stays then there’s a possible route to adding Shakey 

I do hope so, he's not complete without him..

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

13 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Yes- you are indeed mistaken- I'm not calling for Nige to leave because it's his team, it's because I don't think he is up to the job. His record at BCFC determines my thoughts. A good manager can motivate the players to at least to perform - if not win.

 

Nige is doing neither.

I honestly don't think his health is good and this pressure is doing him no good at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he left soon and although I not mad on Colin, I think he could save us this season. After all, he's done it with a few teams before.

[Rich]

1 minute ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Yes they are broadly the same players that managed a greater number of wins, managed to put in a shift and managed not to look like they dont give a shit.

Can you explain why Johnson and Holden were removed from their positions if, those same players were giving a shit?

You don't think that possibly, they were a part of that problem, that they were not fully part of the squad that went on long winless runs?

There is a change going on, some players are finding it not quite so easy to perform in this new regime, it happens when new bosses take over, until there's the nucleus of his management/coaching team and the nucleus of "his" squad, then I think these things happen. I don't like it, I'd rather it went smoothly, but, if I remember correctly, there had to be a few hand grenades thrown into the dressing room before a bit of success was had under Gary Johnson. I think what Pearson has inherited, is far worse than what GJ had to contend with, in terms of swollen overpaid wasters.

[Ivorguy]

9 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said:

As Lansdown said, “it’s my club and I can do what I want” Which includes ******* it up.

And that arrogance is the reason for his failure, and for the mess he has put us in.

I never want to hear of BS or the High Performance Centre ever again

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

3 minutes ago, Rich said:

Can you explain why Johnson and Holden were removed from their positions if, those same players were giving a shit?

You don't think that possibly, they were a part of that problem, that they were not fully part of the squad that went on long winless runs?

There is a change going on, some players are finding it not quite so easy to perform in this new regime, it happens when new bosses take over, until there's the nucleus of his management/coaching team and the nucleus of "his" squad, then I think these things happen. I don't like it, I'd rather it went smoothly, but, if I remember correctly, there had to be a few hand grenades thrown into the dressing room before a bit of success was had under Gary Johnson. I think what Pearson has inherited, is far worse than what GJ had to contend with, in terms of swollen overpaid wasters.

If it was all about the players then why on earth didn't they keep Johnson and Holden and get rid of the players?

 

[BigAl&Toby]

1 hour ago, Redandproud said:

WHY Lansdown, he doesn't pick it he team, he wrote off  a £10m debt with Bristol City, 

Simples.

He’s the ****** ultimately responsible for this ******* mess. Never mind ultimate beneficial owner.

I couldn’t care less how much money he’s “invested” or written off.

He’s the ****** at the top of the tree.

He’s the ****** who allowed Ashton to make an absolute ******* mess of our club.

He’s the ****** who failed to invest at the right time when we had momentum.

He’s the ****** who was at the helm with his hand on the tiller when other ******* buffoons were appointed - remember club legend Tinnion standing in the dug out at Swansea?

He’s the ****** who now owns the ******* lot. The lot. Ashton Gate. What was once a club asset is now his. And all that can be seen around it. And we laugh at the Rovers not owning their ground……

He’s the ****** who promised to make us proud. Who’s feeling proud tonight? Not me.

Time to open thine eyes. As long as Lansdown stays were going nowhere. Abso*******lutely nowhere.

We’re his plaything. We’re ******* doomed.

[Rich]

Just now, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

If it was all about the players then why on earth didn't they keep Johnson and Holden and get rid of the players?

 

Because Johnson and Holden played thier part in the recruitment of those players. I think you'll find that many of those players were released, we're left with the others.

I don't think it's "all" about the players. Pearson wasn't there today and the players still performed shit. When Johnson left the players still performed shit, when Holden took over they performed shit but, spoofed a few results at the start, long enough keep him in a job longer than he should have. That early season (Form), was really just a lucky sequence of results, which soon showed the reality of the situation.

[Clevedon Red]

1 minute ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Simples.

He’s the ****** ultimately responsible for this ******* mess. Never mind ultimate beneficial owner.

I couldn’t care less how much money he’s “invested” or written off.

He’s the ****** at the top of the tree.

He’s the ****** who allowed Ashton to make an absolute ******* mess of our club.

He’s the ****** who failed to invest at the right time when we had momentum.

He’s the ****** who was at the helm with his hand on the tiller when other ******* buffoons were appointed - remember club legend Tinnion standing in the dug out at Swansea?

He’s the ****** who now owns the ******* lot. The lot. Ashton Gate. What was once a club asset is now his. And all that can be seen around it. And we laugh at the Rovers not owning their ground……

He’s the ****** who promised to make us proud. Who’s feeling proud tonight? Not me.

Time to open thine eyes. As long as Lansdown stays were going nowhere. Abso*******lutely nowhere.

We’re his plaything. We’re ******* doomed.

What a ******* response

Edited November 6, 2021 by Clevedon Red

[Barrs Court Red]

1 minute ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Simples.

He’s the ****** ultimately responsible for this ******* mess. Never mind ultimate beneficial owner.

I couldn’t care less how much money he’s “invested” or written off.

He’s the ****** at the top of the tree.

He’s the ****** who allowed Ashton to make an absolute ******* mess of our club.

He’s the ****** who failed to invest at the right time when we had momentum.

He’s the ****** who was at the helm with his hand on the tiller when other ******* buffoons were appointed - remember club legend Tinnion standing in the dug out at Swansea?

He’s the ****** who now owns the ******* lot. The lot. Ashton Gate. What was once a club asset is now his. And all that can be seen around it. And we laugh at the Rovers not owning their ground……

He’s the ****** who promised to make us proud. Who’s feeling proud tonight? Not me.

Time to open thine eyes. As long as Lansdown stays were going nowhere. Abso*******lutely nowhere.

We’re his plaything. We’re ******* doomed.

I thin your a **** but this is absolutely spot on. 

[Davefevs]

8 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

If it was all about the players then why on earth didn't they keep Johnson and Holden and get rid of the players?

 

Contracts, asset value, FFP, etc.

[JoeAman08]

1 minute ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Simples.

He’s the ****** ultimately responsible for this ******* mess. Never mind ultimate beneficial owner.

I couldn’t care less how much money he’s “invested” or written off.

He’s the ****** at the top of the tree.

He’s the ****** who allowed Ashton to make an absolute ******* mess of our club.

He’s the ****** who failed to invest at the right time when we had momentum.

He’s the ****** who was at the helm with his hand on the tiller when other ******* buffoons were appointed - remember club legend Tinnion standing in the dug out at Swansea?

He’s the ****** who now owns the ******* lot. The lot. Ashton Gate. What was once a club asset is now his. And all that can be seen around it. And we laugh at the Rovers not owning their ground……

He’s the ****** who promised to make us proud. Who’s feeling proud tonight? Not me.

Time to open thine eyes. As long as Lansdown stays were going nowhere. Abso*******lutely nowhere.

We’re his plaything. We’re ******* doomed.

Hard to disagree. Leaving this football club to Mark Ashton and his dopey son was an absolute travesty that has set the club back a minimum of 2-3 years. My fear is as a fanbase we did want NP mostly. Now he will feel he has given us what we wanted and not sure where his decision making will go from here. 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

Just now, Davefevs said:

Contracts, asset value, FFP, etc.

I fully appreciate that, Dave but the point I was trying to make is that it is not all about the players- they have proved that they can perform just less so under Pearson. That's my view.

[fgrsimon]

1 hour ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Ryan Lowe would be my choice. 

Has a style of football (much like Russell Martin who is earning plaudits with Swansea). 

Has worked wonders in his short time as a manager, promotions with both Bury and Plymouth on minimal budget, whilst taking Plymouth to 2nd place in League 1. 

 

 

I think he'd be a fool to take it at present. Plymouth are on the up we're on the way down.

Also not sure he'd be the manager for a relegation fight, Plymouth were almost as poor as we towards the end of last season. They beat the Gas but...

Bury had a large L2 budget (that's more or less why they went bust) and Plymouth are a big club in L2.

[Waconda]

30 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Fair enough- emotions running high for us all. I dont know who would be better and this is probably the only thing I've got in common with Mr Lansdown.

I would phone Ryan Lowe myself and see if he fancied a chance to become a City legend.

[StefanDimz]

My point of view is - having a compact squad works if you can keep the key men fit and ready to battle. The key men were missing today due to injuries. Talking about James, King, Williams, Atkinson and Baker to some extend. That's half a first team players missing and we don't have an adequate substitutes to the ones I mentioned. Calling for the manager's head is not a solution in my opinion, we need a competitive squad.

[Numero Uno]

Just now, VT05763 said:

I would phone Ryan Lowe myself and see if he fancied a chance to become a City legend.

And if I was Ryan Lowe looking at our squad I would tell you to **** right off after I’d finished laughing.

[Super]

44 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

How uneccessary. Why not have some intelligence to make a case?

Good luck with that.

[Waconda]

Just now, Numero Uno said:

And if I was Ryan Lowe looking at our squad I would tell you to **** right off after I’d finished laughing.

I disagree. We have a decent squad of mid Championship players, which he would surely realise. He would start from a total shambles.

As inconvenient as that is.

[LocoPal]

THREE ... YEAR ... CONTRACT

[Galley is our king]

43 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said:

As Lansdown said, “it’s my club and I can do what I want” Which includes ******* it up.

So that is a direct quote?

Should be easy for you to find and add to your post.

If you can't it's just bull sh*t

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Galley is our king said:

So that is a direct quote?

Should be easy for you to find and add to your post.

If you can't it's just bull sh*t

It’s not a direct quote, it was more like “when fans have put in as money as me, they can make the decisions”….was on a 20Man Radio interview during LJ’s reign, possibly during that losing run.  Seem to recall it was one of those lunchtime interviews pre-match.

It was such a crap thing to say, it stuck in many of our minds as the day he took the fans for idiots and lost a number of them.

[Rob k]

11 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

I disagree. We have a decent squad of mid Championship players, which he would surely realise. He would start from a total shambles.

As inconvenient as that is.

Which players are decent? 

[Waconda]

6 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Which players are decent? 

Bentley, Baker, Kalas, Weimann, Wells, Williams, Massengo. Scott.

Some on here would have us believe we have a squad full of the Nicky Hunts and Tony Dinings of the world.

Edited November 6, 2021 by VT05763

[David Brent]

Get so bored with the constant demand that we sack managers. But then I’m bored of losing every week. 

[Tin Soldier]

13 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

So that is a direct quote?

Should be easy for you to find and add to your post.

If you can't it's just bull sh*t

Wrong! This is what Lansdown said.
That was a quote from Lansdown, so stop posting bull sh*t. 
 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Tin Soldier

[Ivorguy]

In fairness Fleming’s post match comments were 100% what any one of us would have said.  So credit to him for that. 

[Street red]

58 minutes ago, TedsHeadIs Red said:

This runs much deeper than whether NP is up to the job. Nobody we appoint to the job ever seems up to it at Tier 2 level. The club seems dysfunctional at its core.

Although I do wonder if Nige is basically not a well man since his first bout of COVID and is struggling to exert himself or care enough.

 

I 100% believe nige hasn't been fit enough since he signed and maybe his second dose of covid has floored him.. I can see him leaving football altogether.

[Redstoke]

1 hour ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Ryan Lowe would be my choice. 

Has a style of football (much like Russell Martin who is earning plaudits with Swansea). 

Has worked wonders in his short time as a manager, promotions with both Bury and Plymouth on minimal budget, whilst taking Plymouth to 2nd place in League 1. 

 

 

Pep Guardiola couldnt turn this bunch of Oxygen thieves around!!

[BS3_RED]

Before today no but now yes. This team is spineless and gutless. That is on Pearson. 

Edited November 6, 2021 by BS3_RED

[Waconda]

3 minutes ago, Redstoke said:

Pep Guardiola couldnt turn this bunch of Oxygen thieves around!!

Ryan Lowe might though.

[P'head Red]

3 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Ryan Lowe might though.

People touting his name will be disappointed in 6 months when are players are still playing like dogs**t 

Edited November 6, 2021 by P'head Red

[Oops]

3 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

In fairness Fleming’s post match comments were 100% what any one of us would have said.  So credit to him for that. 

Did he say that he’s fed up with this shite, and refuse to attend another away fixture?

He gets no credit from me.

And neither do the other spineless tosspots.

 

 

[LocoPal]

9 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Which players are decent? 

Pearson identified the midfield as a weakness early on and employed King & James to pick the quality up in midfield.

They did it in the Prem way back. So why not the Championship?

They are both missing now and we are back to the players we had in the Deano era.

So now, Weimann & Massengo can run their arses off all day for all it's worth, but the quality, concentration, combativeness and composure in midfield is still missing.

Brownhill, Pack & Smith had those attributes and have not been replaced.

[Waconda]

4 minutes ago, P'head Red said:

People touting his name will be disappointed in 6 months when are players are still playing like dogs**t 

To be fair you cannot possibly know that.

It would be near impossible to do a worse job.

Edited November 6, 2021 by VT05763

[YGBjammy]

I still have faith in Pearson. This isn't his team really. Thanks to COVID he was incredibly limited in the transfer market and so rebuilding this team is going to take more transfer windows than it would normally. 

Obviously you hope that he would be able to get more out of this current crop of players; but this squad is not good; hence why we are rebuilding. For me as long as we stay up this season, and have some good performances from promising young players like Massengo, Scott, Pring, and Tanner then it's an acceptable season. The previous squad that was assembled (and then sold off) under Johnson and Ashton has run its course and we need a proper rebuild, and thanks to COVID it wil be slower than we'd like.

People suggesting to get rid of Pearson; do you honestly think someone like Ryan Lowe would have us battling for the top 6? Would he be better than Pearson, and have the experience for rebuilding the club over the next 2 seasons? I'm not sure.

[cidercity1987]

34 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

I would phone Ryan Lowe myself and see if he fancied a chance to become a City legend.

Think hes well on his way to being a Plymouth legend. Another club who look like overtaking us within a year

[Numero Uno]

28 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

I disagree. We have a decent squad of mid Championship players, which he would surely realise. He would start from a total shambles.

As inconvenient as that is.

If we had a "decent squad of middling Championship players" you would expect us to win games comfortably on occasion. How many games can you recall in the last two years where we have won AND been the better side? You could count them on the fingers of one hand and have fingers to spare. The vast majority of wins we get are dogged performances where we have been battered for the most part, games where either Bentley has turned up or the woodwork has turned up - that doesn't scream middling Championship standard to me. It screams crap.

[GrahamC]

14 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

In fairness Fleming’s post match comments were 100% what any one of us would have said.  So credit to him for that. 

100%.

Plus he has to come out afterwards & be professional but he seemed rightly really angry.

How we put this right when it seems like different players making mistakes every game, I have no idea.
 

 

[AshtonGreat]

18 minutes ago, Redstoke said:

Pep Guardiola couldnt turn this bunch of Oxygen thieves around!!

I agree they've been stealing a wage, but I think Pep could

[Rossi the Robin]

1 hour ago, Nigelmalta said:

There is something wrong with our players. You can’t concede so many goals in injury time as professionals.  You can’t blame the Manager only.

something seriously wrong with their attitude….

they are a disgrace!!

 

 

 

 

Just not good enough, mentally and talent wise 

I thought the effort and shape defensively was there today and we quietened Coventry first half and improved to go in 1-0 up, could have been 2

The second half is down to being mentally weak and low confidence and you can’t coach that - and players can’t seem to make a simple pass. Again they shouldn’t need coaching to do this  

A mix matched toolset in recruitment over the last few years is taking its toll- it will take a genius and time to sort

[Simon bristol]

1 hour ago, yatesuperreds said:

If they went who would we get in that's the big question 

And would the replacement be the right man?! History says we would balls that up too!

[YorksRed]

36 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s not a direct quote, it was more like “when fans have put in as money as me, they can make the decisions”….was on a 20Man Radio interview during LJ’s reign, possibly during that losing run.  Seem to recall it was one of those lunchtime interviews pre-match.

It was such a crap thing to say, it stuck in many of our minds as the day he took the fans for idiots and lost a number of them.

That is not quite what he said as I recall it if we’re thinking about the same interview.

The context was that we were in a poor run of form and the question from Twentyman was along the lines of “the fans are paying a lot of money to come to watch City and aren’t happy seeing such poor results week in and week out; what do you say to them?”  Lansdown’s response was something like “I’m putting a lot more money in than them so imagine how I feel.”

There could probably have been a better response in retrospect, but it wasn’t how it’s been sometimes interpreted or remembered by some people.  

Edited November 6, 2021 by YorksRed

[oldstandrobin]

1 hour ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Simples.

He’s the ****** ultimately responsible for this ******* mess. Never mind ultimate beneficial owner.

I couldn’t care less how much money he’s “invested” or written off.

He’s the ****** at the top of the tree.

He’s the ****** who allowed Ashton to make an absolute ******* mess of our club.

He’s the ****** who failed to invest at the right time when we had momentum.

He’s the ****** who was at the helm with his hand on the tiller when other ******* buffoons were appointed - remember club legend Tinnion standing in the dug out at Swansea?

He’s the ****** who now owns the ******* lot. The lot. Ashton Gate. What was once a club asset is now his. And all that can be seen around it. And we laugh at the Rovers not owning their ground……

He’s the ****** who promised to make us proud. Who’s feeling proud tonight? Not me.

Time to open thine eyes. As long as Lansdown stays were going nowhere. Abso*******lutely nowhere.

We’re his plaything. We’re ******* doomed.

Head. Nailed on Al. Well said

[Davefevs]

19 minutes ago, YorksRed said:

That is not quite what he said as I recall it if we’re thinking about the same interview.

The context was that we were in a poor run of form and the question from Twentyman was along the lines of “the fans are paying a lot of money to come to watch City and aren’t happy seeing such poor results week in and week out; what do you say to them?”  Lansdown’s response was something like “I’m putting a lot more money in than them so imagine how I feel.”

There could probably have been a better response in retrospect, but it wasn’t how it’s been sometimes interpreted or remembered by some people.  

I’m thinking of a different one then….it incensed a lot of fans.

[stephenkibby.]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

And if I was Ryan Lowe looking at our squad I would tell you to **** right off after I’d finished laughing.

To right, he's manager of a team that he has put together that has a fair chance of promotion.

Plymouth are a club that could match out crowds and are on the up. The only thing we could entice him with is wages.

For me he would be mad to leave what he has going now.

[Henry]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I’m thinking of a different one then….it incensed a lot of fans.

You’re first account was definitely right. Pre match interview during the losing one. Like you, it stuck in my mind.

[Loosey Boy]

I can see Nige walking away on medical grounds……he doesn’t seem in good health and will probably think; “I don’t need this sh@t!”

Found it strange that he did all the pre-game interviews etc and then the next day, he’s not week enough to travel with the squad.

I hope he doesn’t but something doesn’t feel right…..

[lenred]

Same old clueless ****s wanging on about how someone else will do better but when asked ‘who’ it’s Ryan Lowe or ‘I don’t know’. ******* hilarious….

[Rob k]

3 hours ago, VT05763 said:

I would phone Ryan Lowe myself and see if he fancied a chance to become a City legend.

And what if we’re in the same posistion in another 6 months? 
sack him too?

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

56 minutes ago, lenred said:

Same old clueless ****s wanging on about how someone else will do better but when asked ‘who’ it’s Ryan Lowe or ‘I don’t know’. ******* hilarious….

the same clueless "****s" who spend a disproportionally large amount of their income following their team and are quite justifiably questioning a truly abysmal managers results including the worst home record in BCFC's history?

So we are not allowed to do this unless we have the answer of who the next manager should be? And if we criticise a player- do we have to name the replacement and discuss the contract?

 

So @lenred- give me some time to look at your posting history regarding Lee Johnson and we can have a further conversation-.

P.s- I already know what your general theme to LJ was but I'll help clarify this. for the record

[lenred]

7 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

the same clueless "****s" who spend a disproportionally large amount of their income following their team and are quite justifiably questioning a truly abysmal managers results including the worst home record in BCFC's history?

So we are not allowed to do this unless we have the answer of who the next manager should be? And if we criticise a player- do we have to name the replacement and discuss the contract?

 

So @lenred- give me some time to look at your posting history regarding Lee Johnson and we can have a further conversation-.

P.s- I already know what your general theme to LJ was but I'll help clarify this. for the record

Worst home record in our history? Really?

Please do go looking though my posting history if that gets you off on a Saturday night.  You will see he was given ample time until I thought it was time for him to go. Weird that you seem to think otherwise but I’m flattered that you pay so much attention!  

Edited November 6, 2021 by lenred

[Swede]

My take on this is that there will be more games like this with our noses well and truly rubbed in it. We are yet again in a transitional period and starting again.

It is a combination of lost revenue and Nige's wish to run with a smaller squad. We're missing for this match  Williams, King, James, Baker & Atkinson so perhaps it's no surprise we reverted back to type.

My question is simply that Pearson is the Manager with Fleming, a large part of being a Manager is to get the best out of what's at your disposal. Now, what I am sensing is that there are some players who seem to fit in with his ethos and some that don't which is all very divisive and seems to me in leading to a gradual decline in performances so the early season promise with hard working displays at least full of endeavour are turning into limp, meek, out performing passive performances.

I fully understand that we can't do anything until the transfer window opens but with Pearson's pedigree one would expect us to at least be able to compete, is that not down to the Manager?

I know it's the manner of the shameful defeat today but prior to this did anybody think we would've got any sort of result today?

I like Pearson and want him to succeed but you have to start to question his motivational skills, surely.

[Davefevs]

Fair post Swede.

[Waconda]

8 hours ago, Rob k said:

And what if we’re in the same posistion in another 6 months? 
sack him too?

Absolutely.

[Waconda]

6 hours ago, Swede said:

My take on this is that there will be more games like this with our noses well and truly rubbed in it. We are yet again in a transitional period and starting again.

It is a combination of lost revenue and Nige's wish to run with a smaller squad. We're missing for this match  Williams, King, James, Baker & Atkinson so perhaps it's no surprise we reverted back to type.

My question is simply that Pearson is the Manager with Fleming, a large part of being a Manager is to get the best out of what's at your disposal. Now, what I am sensing is that there are some players who seem to fit in with his ethos and some that don't which is all very divisive and seems to me in leading to a gradual decline in performances so the early season promise with hard working displays at least full of endeavour are turning into limp, meek, out performing passive performances.

I fully understand that we can't do anything until the transfer window opens but with Pearson's pedigree one would expect us to at least be able to compete, is that not down to the Manager?

I know it's the manner of the shameful defeat today but prior to this did anybody think we would've got any sort of result today?

I like Pearson and want him to succeed but you have to start to question his motivational skills, surely.

Great post.

[Major Isewater]

Clearly Lansdown has made a huge mistake indulging Ashton and LJ for so long . 
Now we have an unbalanced squad of geriatrics and juniors who are being overplayed and are struggling. 
Evidently we need investment in the squad but haven’t got the money to do it without creating problems with FFP so this is where we are.

Hard work is the only answer. If it’s not enough to keep us up then we return to the third division where , hopefully, we can regroup and start afresh like so many other clubs have done, us included.

It is tough supporting the City but if we give up on them why should they bother making the effort ? 
Let’s hope we start getting some results soon so the confidence returns , we do have, despite everything some very talented youngsters who need our backing.

[Guest Royce]

13 hours ago, Rich said:

If I'm not mistaken, people are calling for Pearson to be sacked because this is "his team" and he assembled the squad, even to the point where they're saying Weiman and Baker are his players, they were available and cheaper so re-signed once fitness was proven. Today we played with only "one" of Pearson's players in the team that represented BCFC, that was Tanner. His other players, James, King and Atkinson were unavailable, Simpson is there for cover and possible behind the scenes influence, as is King. So how the hell is this Pearson's team?

We have a gutless collection of overpaid underachievers, left over from the previous two administrations making up the nucleus of this squad, starting from the pussy in goal and right through the team. They've proven to be failures before and are still failing now. I don't think any one of Pearson's signings, even the ones re-signed, could be described as such, as for the majority of them, spineless,  molly cuddled poor footballers that I can't wait to see the back of.

Pussy in goal Thought it was only me who thinks he is a tool!

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13 hours ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Ryan Lowe would be my choice. 

Has a style of football (much like Russell Martin who is earning plaudits with Swansea). 

Has worked wonders in his short time as a manager, promotions with both Bury and Plymouth on minimal budget, whilst taking Plymouth to 2nd place in League 1. 

 

 

Lowe was my choice when we appointed Pearson. The problem is, most of our fans were happy with Pearson as he is much more ‘proven’. There would’ve been a melt down if we’d appointed an up and coming manager after the Holden debacle.

As a club we abandoned our whole philosophy to get Pearson in and it looks like a backwards step.

I must admit, even though I wasn’t keen his appointment, our early season performances had brought me more hope and he was starting to win me over but that early season promise and desire seems to have vanished and we are left with a total lack of any clear direction or leadership and a woeful playing style.

I can’t help but look at the likes of Luton, Coventry and Swansea, their managerial appointments seem to fall in line with the whole structure of the club, they suit a particular style and identity.

We need to figure out what our identity is and appoint the appropriate staff and recruit the right type of players. At the moment, we have placed all our faith in Pearson and for whatever reason, he is falling way short of all our expectations.

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7 hours ago, Swede said:

My take on this is that there will be more games like this with our noses well and truly rubbed in it. We are yet again in a transitional period and starting again.

It is a combination of lost revenue and Nige's wish to run with a smaller squad. We're missing for this match  Williams, King, James, Baker & Atkinson so perhaps it's no surprise we reverted back to type.

My question is simply that Pearson is the Manager with Fleming, a large part of being a Manager is to get the best out of what's at your disposal. Now, what I am sensing is that there are some players who seem to fit in with his ethos and some that don't which is all very divisive and seems to me in leading to a gradual decline in performances so the early season promise with hard working displays at least full of endeavour are turning into limp, meek, out performing passive performances.

I fully understand that we can't do anything until the transfer window opens but with Pearson's pedigree one would expect us to at least be able to compete, is that not down to the Manager?

I know it's the manner of the shameful defeat today but prior to this did anybody think we would've got any sort of result today?

I like Pearson and want him to succeed but you have to start to question his motivational skills, surely.

This is a great post but I would argue against the ‘revert to type’ element.

We have been spineless all season with James and Atkinson as ever presents (King and Baker have also had plenty of game time), we don’t know how to see out games and that is 100% down to the manager, we sit so deep, it’s like a defence vs attack training exercise! Even Barnsley battered us and were unlucky not to get at least a draw.

Contrast that to the positive mindset instilled at Coventry. They knew they’d beat us, even with 10 men.

[Bodiesaffer]

I’m going the other way with my thoughts this morning.  Player power= poor attitude and application.  They don’t like it up um, so they want rid.  So we can hire another soft touch.  Well if I was Nigel  I’d walk in Monday morning with SL and tell the players to do one.  Put a few on gardening leave in January.  Bring in some good loans.  These are pro footballers they should know the basics.  Or is this bunch thick as pigs shit?

[richyy66]

There's a reason the fans are not behind the players at the minute and that's because they are not seeing players running, working hard, battling, playing with aggression, 
That's the minimum us supporters want to see.

 

I am not sure what has happened since the first few games of the season. The players seemed to give everything in those early games of the season.

Maybe all is not well behind the scenes.

[Major Isewater]

1 hour ago, richyy66 said:

Maybe all is not well behind the scenes.

Let’s see what Roy de Alien has to say on the subject.

[bcfcnick]

Very impressive article by James Piercy .

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-breaking-coventry-city-6172293

So many nails hit on the head including the fact that the current players (martin included) are not suited to a direct route one approach.   I hope Steve Lansdown reads it.  I believe he has always admired and got on well with Mark Robins and it's a pity he didn't trust that instinct and opt for him several years back rather than appoint a series of other managers who just haven't worked out.

I quite like the slightly maverick personality of Pearson but I have no idea what he is trying to build here and I don't think he does either aside from a stubborn, resolute never say die mentality which clearly he hasn't been able to impart so far.   I also think he needs to focus on his health and the last thing he needs is the stress of a relegation battle. 

Clubs also have a culture and tradition that's built up over the years and City fans generally want to see attractive football with some flair and passion and sadly, that's been lacking for a long time under an assortment of managers.  Dire football and scraping some wins might just about be acceptable (although not to me) but embarrassingly poor football and regular demoralising  losses definitely isn't.

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10 minutes ago, bcfcnick said:

Very impressive article by James Piercy .

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-breaking-coventry-city-6172293

So many nails hit on the head including the fact that the current players (martin included) are not suited to a direct route one approach.   I hope Steve Lansdown reads it.  I believe he has always admired and got on well with Mark Robins and it's a pity he didn't trust that instinct and opt for him several years back rather than appoint a series of other managers who just haven't worked out.

I quite like the slightly maverick personality of Pearson but I have no idea what he is trying to build here and I don't think he does either aside from a stubborn, resolute never say die mentality which clearly he hasn't been able to impart so far.   I also think he needs to focus on his health and the last thing he needs is the stress of a relegation battle. 

Clubs also have a culture and tradition that's built up over the years and City fans generally want to see attractive football with some flair and passion and sadly, that's been lacking for a long time under an assortment of managers.  Dire football and scraping some wins might just about be acceptable (although not to me) but embarrassingly poor football and regular demoralising  losses definitely isn't.

Great article- James Piercy is shaping up to be the best local sports journo in many a year. No click bait just hard facts combined with strong but measured opinions.

[Numero Uno]

16 hours ago, GrahamC said:

100%.

Plus he has to come out afterwards & be professional but he seemed rightly really angry.

How we put this right when it seems like different players making mistakes every game, I have no idea.
 

 

You could tell by the shocked look on his face that he has never encountered this before in his career. This is the first time he has ever had to call a "collective" rather than the odd individual, which can sometimes happen for various reasons, out for lack of desire and I genuinely think he couldn't get his head round it. And you have hundreds of player apologists on here saying that the poor little petals picking up their £20K per week and who can't even execute a free header from a corner properly need to be given a Churchillian speech pre-game or alternatively the latest psychological motivation lecture on powerpoint in order to be motivated? It is now officially acceptable for players at Bristol City FC to totally lack enthusiasm, self-motivation, focus and concentration - yes, we totally accept your mental weakness and if Curtis cannot sort that out in an hour or so pre-game that's on him.........that is right isn't it?