Pearson & Fleming : OUT

[Numero Uno]

5 hours ago, VT05763 said:

Absolutely.

You like spending other people's money don't you?

[Northern Red]

5 hours ago, VT05763 said:

Absolutely.

How many of these 6-monthly sackings would you be prepared to allow before you accept that the players might bear some responsibility?

[East Londoner]

21 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

You like spending other people's money don't you?

 

18 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

How many of these 6-monthly sackings would you be prepared to allow before you accept that the players might bear some responsibility?

I do sometimes wonder if Steve Lansdown is just too nice, and that’s what’s transmitted itself down to the players. I know he employs a CEO so he hasn’t got to do the day to day stuff but maybe he now needs to show his face consistently rather than a one off visit to show his face. And he needs to show that he isn’t going to accept players going through the motions and he needs to show the players that he backs his manager not just with money but that he isn’t going to allow the players to keep getting managers sacked and that if they don’t want to be here the mem is nice this time of year 

If he does that and we keep losing then maybe look at making a change but without that we’re just going to be in a continual cycle like we’ve been for the last 20 years where hard work to improve our position routinely gets thrown away and we have to start again 

[Numero Uno]

30 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

How many of these 6-monthly sackings would you be prepared to allow before you accept that the players might bear some responsibility?

I think it would take around FIFTEEN before the penny dropped.......

[Finley_Smith10]

Get Dean Smith in, just got sacked by villa

[steviestevieneville]

19 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

How uneccessary. Why not have some intelligence to make a case?

I’ve made my case on many a thread but just for you I’ll do it again. Pearson is in the same place as SOD was after mciiness was sacked.He has to pick up the pieces of yet again repeated mistakes from Lansdown. His footballing decisions have been appalling . Not just lately but for the vast majority of the time he’s owned us. The majority of this squad is very similar to 2012. 
Lansdown appointed mark ashton as a recruitment consultant for mciines who assembled that complete shower of over paid lop sided crap. O’driscoll gets slagged off by many fans who haven’t got a clue the mess the squad & club were in at the time. He brought in Kieth Burt who along with SOD had to clear out the dead work , bring down the spiralling wage bill that Ashton created . He started the rebuild to winning the league by bringing Flint , pack, fielding , jet in. 
we all know as fact that cotts wasn’t a SL appointment & couldn’t wait to sack him. What does he do ? Brings MA back who repeats the cycle again. Low& behold here we are again. So by  all means be lazy & blame the current manager, but instead of being a nodding dog , yes sir no sir three bags full steve. Point the finger at the real problem that keeps making monumental **** ups. 
he said judge me on tinnion , he appointed millen,  mciines , coppell walked because Lansdowns meddling.  
He got GJ right , that’s it.  I will spell it out once again. 
HE APPOINTED MARK ASHTON TWICE. it’s his fault , no one else. 

Edited November 7, 2021 by steviestevieneville

[steviestevieneville]

19 hours ago, VT05763 said:

I would phone Ryan Lowe myself and see if he fancied a chance to become a City legend.

As I asked you before but you failed to answer because you’ve no idea. How would he turn this around with the players we have. Come on. A proper reply . The players are not good enough . This is 2012 all over again. We’re down. 

[steviestevieneville]

2 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Great article- James Piercy is shaping up to be the best local sports journo in many a year. No click bait just hard facts combined with strong but measured opinions.

James piercy does a lot in the midlands  & has been a established  , well respected journalist for a number of years. 

[WarksRobin]

In unrelated news I see Sunderland are three matches into a losing run

[Northern Red]

6 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

In unrelated news I see Sunderland are three matches into a losing run

It's 4, 3 in the league plus the cup yesterday.

He also made 4 half time subs yesterday.

[ralphindevon]

7 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

In unrelated news I see Sunderland are three matches into a losing run

In other unrelated news concerning previous managers, great to see Cotts interviewed just now on ITV 4 before their match with Stratford. 
Crikey he went through it and still suffers fatigue, was in bed at 8.30 pm. yesterday so he would have energy for today.

[Bedred31]

17 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

In unrelated news I see Sunderland are three matches into a losing run

Been in Durham this weekend and LJ all over local news- they have a channel called Tyne Tees TV ffs. Almost same script as here - same fan’s criticisms and same responses from LJ. Actually felt a bit sorry for him, as he hasn’t done a bad job for Sunderland. Anyway, bit of a distraction from the trauma at City.

Edited November 7, 2021 by Bedred31

[pjg11]

3 managers have struggled to get anything out of the bulk of this squad . I feel like there is a culture which can't be changed by any manager until most of the current squad is moved on and there in lies the problem . Performance doesn't matter and the players no it. After an appalling season last year virtually every released player got another club . So no pressure on being released. All that we have left no that they are on quite decent contracts so we can't release or pay them off . So can stay here and take the wages . Won't be transferred as who would want them so no danger of ending up going to lower league or losing money . And if dropped squad is so small only takes a couple of injuries to get back in . It's easy street for them all free money for a lot and nothing any manager can do about it 

[steviestevieneville]

1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

James piercy does a lot in the midlands  & has been a established  , well respected journalist for a number of years. 

I’m not actually sure if I’ve got that right . Might be mixing him up with John Percy

[Northern Red]

17 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

I’m not actually sure if I’ve got that right . Might be mixing him up with John Percy

Yeah, John Percy is Midlands-based, works for the Telegraph. I think he broke the story about Nige coming here.

[pjg11]

29 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

To be fair to previous managers we were consistently top half for 3 years before Nige.

Point is there is no consequence for poor performance all been made very easy . 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

57 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

I’m not actually sure if I’ve got that right . Might be mixing him up with John Percy

And there we have it- quick to make a point, possibly score one but then the realisation that you may be wrong.

Coppell left because he had severe issues with football in general and some personal demons and never managed again . I suppose SC who won the double was appointed solely by a member of SL's board and Steve had no say in it but a personal hand in every single failure but never the better moments. Just like Ashton.

The average tenure of a Manager in the Championship is 53 weeks.

Your narrative is that SL is pretty much destroying BCFC and mine is that we have appointed the wrong manager and like so many other clubs may have to make a costly change with no guarantee that it will get better.

Welcome to the world of football club ownership where failure for almost every owner will outweigh their success and where fans will rarely accept anything less than continual improvement irrespective of circumstance.

[RumRed]

21 hours ago, Galley is our king said:

So that is a direct quote?

Should be easy for you to find and add to your post.

If you can't it's just bull sh*t

Maybe you could ask SL or can’t he hear you due to your head being so up his ass? 

[Davefevs]

9 hours ago, red as **** said:

Lowe was my choice when we appointed Pearson. The problem is, most of our fans were happy with Pearson as he is much more ‘proven’. There would’ve been a melt down if we’d appointed an up and coming manager after the Holden debacle.

As a club we abandoned our whole philosophy to get Pearson in and it looks like a backwards step.

I must admit, even though I wasn’t keen his appointment, our early season performances had brought me more hope and he was starting to win me over but that early season promise and desire seems to have vanished and we are left with a total lack of any clear direction or leadership and a woeful playing style.

I can’t help but look at the likes of Luton, Coventry and Swansea, their managerial appointments seem to fall in line with the whole structure of the club, they suit a particular style and identity.

We need to figure out what our identity is and appoint the appropriate staff and recruit the right type of players. At the moment, we have placed all our faith in Pearson and for whatever reason, he is falling way short of all our expectations.

Start preparing yourself for Mike Flynn, not Ryan Lowe.  No ITK.

5 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Great article- James Piercy is shaping up to be the best local sports journo in many a year. No click bait just hard facts combined with strong but measured opinions.

Gregor’s boss.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

Gregor’s boss.

ex-boss!!

 

I wrote to James P a few weeks back regarding one of his excellent articles and he had the courtesy to reply so he's on my ever diminishing 'top bloke' list

[Galley is our king]

32 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Maybe you could ask SL or can’t he hear you due to your head being so up his ass? 

Tut Tut, dear dear, someone has a different opinion to you 

I do sincerely apologise

[Davefevs]

19 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

ex-boss!!

 

I wrote to James P a few weeks back regarding one of his excellent articles and he had the courtesy to reply so he's on my ever diminishing 'top bloke' list

I chat to him online regularly.  Knows his stuff.

[Hampshire reds]

alot depends on how long nige is going to be away from the club. if its a fair time we will need to get someone in to help. the last week or so Paul,Keith have gone after yesterday we cant go with Fleming and Ball as our management team. even with nige we need a top coach to support him  

[steviestevieneville]

57 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

And there we have it- quick to make a point, possibly score one but then the realisation that you may be wrong.

Coppell left because he had severe issues with football in general and some personal demons and never managed again . I suppose SC who won the double was appointed solely by a member of SL's board and Steve had no say in it but a personal hand in every single failure but never the better moments. Just like Ashton.

The average tenure of a Manager in the Championship is 53 weeks.

Your narrative is that SL is pretty much destroying BCFC and mine is that we have appointed the wrong manager and like so many other clubs may have to make a costly change with no guarantee that it will get better.

Welcome to the world of football club ownership where failure for almost every owner will outweigh their success and where fans will rarely accept anything less than continual improvement irrespective of circumstance.

That’s not true about Coppell he left because of  SL’s meddling . Millen more or less said so on a podcast . 
This issue you raise about the wrong manager being appointed is very narrow minded. These problems didn’t start with Pearson , they started under LJ & mark ashton . It was the same mistakes made under mciines . Please tell me who appointed these people ? 
Also as for the dog about getting things wrong. I would of thought you’d know all about that. Nobody’s perfect. 

[sh1t_ref_again]

On 06/11/2021 at 17:35, Barrs Court Red said:

And all that debt is 

 HIS decisions.

 

Think you might find running a club in the Championship creates a debt as next to none tend to be run at a profit , so whilst level of debt is down decisions at least we have someone prepared to keep funding championship football. 

Go and see how many clubs make a profit 

[Davefevs]

26 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Think you might find running a club in the Championship creates a debt as next to none tend to be run at a profit , so whilst level of debt is down decisions at least we have someone prepared to keep funding championship football. 

Go and see how many clubs make a profit 

For me it’s worrying that with the £m’s we made from selling players we wracked up £41.4m of losses in that period 15/16-19/20…5 sets of accounts. All with MA as COO / CEO.  All with SL as Owner and JL as Chairman.  All with LJ as Head-Coach.

Without those sales we lost £117.2m.

Let that sink in!

Draw your own conclusions.

[Mr Popodopolous]

On 06/11/2021 at 18:06, Rich said:

Was Cotterill given the backing to bring in his desired players? I believe he was. Did he have to release more than a team full of players? I don't think so.

I believe there are different situations at play now than six plus years ago. Then after that success, he was finally restricted, Intentionally?  I fully expect the same thing to happen now. Bring in a top man, fail to back him, then bring in your young hungry type, that MR Lansdown prefers, while saying things like, "it's my money and I'll invest it as I want to".

I believe Pearson has been given a thankless task of putting things right and in place, it will then be a case of, thanks very much, goodbye. Soon to be followed by another young boss learning the ropes.

The FFP position in 2015/16 possibly did not allow us to spend as Cotts would have wanted in Summer 2015.

I agree with much of what you say but is there an alternative scenario in which Cotts parks his ambitions a bit for a year and then as the infrastructure and the attendances rise then he can steadily increase spending? We'll never know but I wonder.

[Mr Popodopolous]

On 06/11/2021 at 19:04, VT05763 said:

Bentley, Baker, Kalas, Weimann, Wells, Williams, Massengo. Scott.

Some on here would have us believe we have a squad full of the Nicky Hunts and Tony Dinings of the world.

James was quite good for Coventry last year too, has he been dragged down a bit? Martin has been productive this season despite my (frequent) concerns over his durability.

Tanner and Atkinson of course are still learning but have shown some good things thusfar- Pring or DaSilva at LB?

Semenyo returning could make a difference, would offer something different anyway/

[Mr Popodopolous]

12 hours ago, richyy66 said:

There's a reason the fans are not behind the players at the minute and that's because they are not seeing players running, working hard, battling, playing with aggression, 
That's the minimum us supporters want to see.

 

I am not sure what has happened since the first few games of the season. The players seemed to give everything in those early games of the season.

Maybe all is not well behind the scenes.

I thought we were okay in general and for the most part attitude wise up to and including Peterborough away. Up to the 2nd International break.

Since then though, it's been patchy at best- first half at home to Nottingham Forest fine, parts of the Barnsley game fine, Birmingham first half and parts yesterday fine but certainly not consistently, or for a whole 90 minutes. Who knows why- injuries maybe but it's gone backwards fast from Bournemouth at home to present.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Put the manager aside for a minute but at home to Fulham we showed real spirit, okay they were better technically for the most part and we rode our luck towards the end but rightly the players and management were credited and rightly so.

That should be a benchmark. Not an exception where a side might get up for a big game but a benchmark! Produce that level of performance and effort and do so consistently vs middling and lower sides and you should have more joy- certainly more control and conviction in the performance.

[Davefevs]

36 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The FFP position in 2015/16 possibly did not allow us to spend as Cotts would have wanted in Summer 2015.

I agree with much of what you say but is there an alternative scenario in which Cotts parks his ambitions a bit for a year and then as the infrastructure and the attendances rise then he can steadily increase spending? We'll never know but I wonder.

We disagree on this don’t we?  Won’t go back over it, think we ended up spending a lot on loans across the whole season, that showed we could’ve backed Cotts with transfers rather than second choices.

[Waconda]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

For me it’s worrying that with the £m’s we made from selling players we wracked up £41.4m of losses in that period 15/16-19/20…5 sets of accounts. All with MA as COO / CEO.  All with SL as Owner and JL as Chairman.  All with LJ as Head-Coach.

Without those sales we lost £117.2m.

Let that sink in!

Draw your own conclusions.

What an absolute fantastic achievement in player sales that is.  Didn't realise it was that high a figure.

[glynriley]

1 minute ago, VT05763 said:

What an absolute fantastic achievement in player sales that is.  Didn't realise it was that high a figure.

An even bigger achievement is we have **** all to show for it. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

We disagree on this don’t we?  Won’t go back over it, think we ended up spending a lot on loans across the whole season, that showed we could’ve backed Cotts with transfers rather than second choices.

Thinking about it, I'd forgotten about that discussion. Maybe it would have been better to spend that up front, on Gray not so much Gayle given the potential wage he might have wanted and keep Cotts happy.

Maguire was the other wasn't he?

Still otoh we did add some useful individuals albeit at differing are stages of their careers. ie much earlier.

Maguire and Ayling either side of Flint?

Kodjia and Gray as our strike pair?

Could've been good! In some ways we actually started the season with a weaker squad than we got promoted with which regardless of the specific signings that were or weren't made is fairly awful tbh.

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

What an absolute fantastic achievement in player sales that is.  Didn't realise it was that high a figure.

Was very good wasn’t it.

Shame we paid a lot on the other side of the transfer market too.

We spent £59.35m in fees, not inc loan fees, agent fees (from various sources £5m(ish)), relocation fees.

We spent £108.4m on wages (football only, not BCFC Ltd)

[Kodjias Wrist]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Was very good wasn’t it.

Shame we paid a lot on the other side of the transfer market too.

We spent £59.35m in fees, not inc loan fees, agent fees (from various sources £5m(ish)), relocation fees.

We spent £108.4m on wages (football only, not BCFC Ltd)

Crazy amount that is and we aren't an isolated case either in this league. Surely now the EFL are on to clubs and punishments being dished out, clubs will refuse to pay these agents fees. They are a cancer on the game IMO as is parachute payments.

[spudski]

3 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

That’s not true about Coppell he left because of  SL’s meddling . Millen more or less said so on a podcast . 
This issue you raise about the wrong manager being appointed is very narrow minded. These problems didn’t start with Pearson , they started under LJ & mark ashton . It was the same mistakes made under mciines . Please tell me who appointed these people ? 
Also as for the dog about getting things wrong. I would of thought you’d know all about that. Nobody’s perfect. 

How does any fan not know that ?

[ashton_fan]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

For me it’s worrying that with the £m’s we made from selling players we wracked up £41.4m of losses in that period 15/16-19/20…5 sets of accounts. All with MA as COO / CEO.  All with SL as Owner and JL as Chairman.  All with LJ as Head-Coach.

Without those sales we lost £117.2m.

Let that sink in!

Draw your own conclusions.

How many Championship clubs make a profit? It's almost impossible given the level of player wages with hardly any income from TV, you can't rely on gate receipts these days. If a club can keep it's debts within the FFP limits then it's doing OK, and we fall into that category. The only way to make large amounts of income is through player sales, we've done that and our best signings have now departed but not sure how else you can solve the puzzle?

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, ashton_fan said:

How many Championship clubs make a profit? It's almost impossible given the level of player wages with hardly any income from TV, you can't rely on gate receipts these days. If a club can keep it's debts within the FFP limits then it's doing OK, and we fall into that category. The only way to make large amounts of income is through player sales, we've done that and our best signings have now departed but not sure how else you can solve the puzzle?

I don’t disagree with most of that.

But my worry going back 3/4 seasons is - what do you do when there are no players left to sell?  My other fear was the transfer market collapsing.  I obviously want expecting Covid, but always feared a tv deal collapse.

When I see City with costs of £60m but Millwall, Preston, etc doing as well (better?) than us on £30m I think it means we got too big for our boots.

We are now having to cut back seriously to avoid FFP next season.  That’s hamstrung us massively this summer.

The answer is to recruit well / smartly, develop your own players.

[Street red]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

For me it’s worrying that with the £m’s we made from selling players we wracked up £41.4m of losses in that period 15/16-19/20…5 sets of accounts. All with MA as COO / CEO.  All with SL as Owner and JL as Chairman.  All with LJ as Head-Coach.

Without those sales we lost £117.2m.

Let that sink in!

Draw your own conclusions.

That's incredible figures.

[Street red]

6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t disagree with most of that.

But my worry going back 3/4 seasons is - what do you do when there are no players left to sell?  My other fear was the transfer market collapsing.  I obviously want expecting Covid, but always feared a tv deal collapse.

When I see City with costs of £60m but Millwall, Preston, etc doing as well (better?) than us on £30m I think it means we got too big for our boots.

We are now having to cut back seriously to avoid FFP next season.  That’s hamstrung us massively this summer.

The answer is to recruit well / smartly, develop your own players.

What concerns me is that we got to big for our boots and signed Kalas for 8 million we shouldn't of been in a position to sign a player for that figure even though we made profit on Webster.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

3 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

That’s not true about Coppell he left because of  SL’s meddling . Millen more or less said so on a podcast . 
This issue you raise about the wrong manager being appointed is very narrow minded. These problems didn’t start with Pearson , they started under LJ & mark ashton . It was the same mistakes made under mciines . Please tell me who appointed these people ? 
Also as for the dog about getting things wrong. I would of thought you’d know all about that. Nobody’s perfect. 

Yep- happy to grant you that.

We see things differently....I never felt a relegation season was upon us with LJ but I've felt it has become inevitable under NP- where the blame lies is a long discussion and is nowhere near as black and white as you maintain -imo. It still comes down to the fact that I hope we appoint a new manager before its too late. Pearson will go- it's just a matter of when and whether damage limitation can be achieved in the meantime.

[Ivorguy]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t disagree with most of that.

But my worry going back 3/4 seasons is - what do you do when there are no players left to sell?  My other fear was the transfer market collapsing.  I obviously want expecting Covid, but always feared a tv deal collapse.

When I see City with costs of £60m but Millwall, Preston, etc doing as well (better?) than us on £30m I think it means we got too big for our boots.

We are now having to cut back seriously to avoid FFP next season.  That’s hamstrung us massively this summer.

The answer is to recruit well / smartly, develop your own players.

The final sentence of yours is where we have consistently failed for years.  No easy way to put this right.  Local lads signing for clubs outside the city, poor to non existent signing from non league, clear failings in development of players we do have.

[Bris Red]

15 minutes ago, Street red said:

What concerns me is that we got to big for our boots and signed Kalas for 8 million we shouldn't of been in a position to sign a player for that figure even though we made profit on Webster.

Was a huge amount of money for a club our size, i still maintain that Chelsea had our pants down a bit really we probably paid £3 or 4 million too much for him IMO.

In Lansdown and the boards defence though they probably thought they were doing the right thing at the time by making a big money statement like that, you could say they were appeasing the fanbase as lets be honest if we hadn’t had a big summer of spending people would have been asking where the hell has the £20 mill for Webster gone? It’s a tricky one that ultimately boils down to very bad Recuitment in the summer of 2019. Plenty of money in the pot that was spent horrendously badly.

Edited November 7, 2021 by bris red

[Street red]

8 minutes ago, bris red said:

Was a huge amount of money for a club our size, i still maintain that Chelsea had our pants down a bit really we probably paid £3 or 4 million too much for him IMO.

We stupidly paid it and yes Chelsea definitely did but add to that Palmer and dasilva and that's a fair bit of money,You can also add signing on fees and wages to that and I wonder what the exact figure to this day is that we've paid In wages since they've signed.. They've not exactly set the world alight.

Edited November 7, 2021 by Street red

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

For me it’s worrying that with the £m’s we made from selling players we wracked up £41.4m of losses in that period 15/16-19/20…5 sets of accounts. All with MA as COO / CEO.  All with SL as Owner and JL as Chairman.  All with LJ as Head-Coach.

Without those sales we lost £117.2m.

Let that sink in!

Draw your own conclusions.

This "we" thing is a bit confusing. I've checked my bank account over the same period and am jolly relieved to report that I don't seem to have lost anything.... other than the prices of season tickets ( which I have considered as an annual "loss" since about Joe Jordan's time and pre SL) a number of shirts for me and the kids and a very large quantity of overpriced overly warm and flat alcohol along with some dubious burgers... particularly the boiled ones which were then fried.

As for "we" losing money, it's SL's loss and he categorically didn't make it from 'us'. He just invested heavily in a club  which has been probably more pain than any gain for him and his family. I think we'd all be very aware if some other billionaire was ready and willing to bank roll a club with our history and fan base- it may well be that we will find this out sooner than later?

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Was very good wasn’t it.

Shame we paid a lot on the other side of the transfer market too.

We spent £59.35m in fees, not inc loan fees, agent fees (from various sources £5m(ish)), relocation fees.

We spent £108.4m on wages (football only, not BCFC Ltd)

Agree that we spent a lot, but even at the higher end, and this isn't knocking us so much more the environment.

At the higher end, our wage bill was only in and around midtable as far as divisional wage bills go, albeit I am taking the club as a whole and all aspects of the wage bill ie NI etc.

The system is crazy. It's a League in which over 100% of turnover in recent years has goes on wages alone!

All the same we certainly could and should have spent better, in all areas.

Edited November 7, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

24 minutes ago, bris red said:

Was a huge amount of money for a club our size, i still maintain that Chelsea had our pants down a bit really we probably paid £3 or 4 million too much for him IMO.

In Lansdown and the boards defence though they probably thought they were doing the right thing at the time by making a big money statement like that, you could say they were appeasing the fanbase as lets be honest if we hadn’t had a big summer of spending people would have been asking where the hell has the £20 mill for Webster gone? It’s a tricky one that ultimately boils down to very bad Recuitment in the summer of 2019. Plenty of money in the pot that was spent horrendously badly.

Yep. We spent £25m that summer…and still needed to sign players outside the window.

14 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

This "we" thing is a bit confusing. I've checked my bank account over the same period and am jolly relieved to report that I don't seem to have lost anything.... other than the prices of season tickets ( which I have considered as an annual "loss" since about Joe Jordan's time and pre SL) a number of shirts for me and the kids and a very large quantity of overpriced overly warm and flat alcohol along with some dubious burgers... particularly the boiled ones which were then fried.

As for "we" losing money, it's SL's loss and he categorically didn't make it from 'us'. He just invested heavily in a club  which has been probably more pain than any gain for him and his family. I think we'd all be very aware if some other billionaire was ready and willing to bank roll a club with our history and fan base- it may well be that we will find this out sooner than later?

Not sure a post arguing about the use of the word “we” is really the point is it?  You know exactly why the word was used.

Ultimately us fans are contributing 50% (£8m of £16m) of the pure football club revenues and about 80% (£11.4m of £14m) of Ashton Gate revenues.  The rest is football league and commercial revenues.

So “we” are offsetting the losses if we don’t watch City….even if “they” aren’t “our” losses per se.

[steviestevieneville]

9 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Yep- happy to grant you that.

We see things differently....I never felt a relegation season was upon us with LJ but I've felt it has become inevitable under NP- where the blame lies is a long discussion and is nowhere near as black and white as you maintain -imo. It still comes down to the fact that I hope we appoint a new manager before its too late. Pearson will go- it's just a matter of when and whether damage limitation can be achieved in the meantime.

Genuine question here.

Its well documented about the length of the decline & the family silver being sold & replaced with tin. With this in mind. 
Who would you like to see come in & how would they get a time out of this squad . It runs much deeper than the manager in my opinion 

[Rocky]

 

[Charlie BCFC]

I’m not going to disagree with people for saying Pearson out, still Pearson in personally but these next few games are important for him. Lansdown out shouts are ******* ridiculous, be careful for what you wish for as the grass isn’t always greener. 

[Jefferz]

On 06/11/2021 at 16:41, Wanderingred said:

Where’s Jimmy Hill when you need him?

 

On 06/11/2021 at 17:23, sglosbcfc said:

Hilarious that many of the fans that were desperate for us to land Pearson are now calling for his head after he has had only one transfer window and 8 months in charge! Today as well as missing Pearson, we were without Baker, Atkinson, Semenyo, King and James. As for telling Lansdown to **** off, that is embarrassing. Blackburn is a huge game and I expect a changed City team to take the three points COYR

Yes, but on arriving at the club he made repeatedly bullish comments about the number of injuries in the squad and how it was a result of culture, mismanagement by medical/fitness staff and incompetence. Live by the sword die by the sword

[mozo]

It's tricky because it appears to be sacking season and people are becoming available. Plus you get two weeks break to get the new gaffer on the training ground.

But...I think it's harsh to sack anyone after the Coventry game. Let's see us when we have James, Atkinson and Williams.

[Hampshire reds]

3 or 4 games is a big gamble. Blackburn,stoke and sheff utd. Big ask with current set up to get much out of these games. A new voice and ideas is desperately needed

[hertsexile]

I not sure entering the sack race is a good idea. A move to bring in Shakespeare would be worth thinking about. The main problem at city at the moment is player attitude along with an injury prone squad that lacks leadership on the field. As Cotts once said “ When the team crosses the white line he can only hope they follow the game plan “ So far this season we have lacked this ability! 

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

3 or 4 games is a big gamble. Blackburn,stoke and sheff utd. Big ask with current set up to get much out of these games. A new voice and ideas is desperately needed

Interested to see you post this, as it’s not like you haven’t said some variant on it about 60 times in the last couple of months.

[The Bard]

11 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

3 or 4 games is a big gamble. Blackburn,stoke and sheff utd. Big ask with current set up to get much out of these games. A new voice and ideas is desperately needed

 

17 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Interested to see you post this, as it’s not like you haven’t said some variant on it about 60 times in the last couple of months.

You certainly can't accuse him of inconsistency. 

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, The Bard said:

 

You certainly can't accuse him of inconsistency. 

Boring though, isn’t it?

Nothing ever constructive (fairly sure though he has suggested Frank Lampard as Nige’s replacement!).

Pretty much every manager gets sacked in the end, so repeatedly saying this virtually from day one & then after every single game (except Barnsley) is ******* tedious.

[The Bard]

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Boring though, isn’t it?

Nothing ever constructive (fairly sure though he has suggested Frank Lampard as Nige’s replacement!).

Pretty much every manager gets sacked in the end, so repeatedly saying this virtually from day one & then after every single game (except Barnsley) is ******* tedious.

Yep

[Clutton Caveman]

On 06/11/2021 at 17:08, CotswoldRed said:

Pearson has had nearly a year and his team can't pass or retain possession for much more than 3-4 seconds, normally. 

That is enough for me. 

They called it the high performance centre so delivery drivers would never confuse it with Ashton Gate. 

Hate to say it but I think we have to go down, ditch most of the squad and coaching staff and start again

Frankly I would rather watch our kids with a couple of decent tryers playing under a positive coach in League 1 than being bored to death week after week in the Championship.

[nellie]

Just remember you cant sack someone thats off sick 

[Rich]

On 07/11/2021 at 20:02, Mr Popodopolous said:

The FFP position in 2015/16 possibly did not allow us to spend as Cotts would have wanted in Summer 2015.

I agree with much of what you say but is there an alternative scenario in which Cotts parks his ambitions a bit for a year and then as the infrastructure and the attendances rise then he can steadily increase spending? We'll never know but I wonder.

I agree Cotterill's response seemed rather petulant and there was really only one outcome after that. I believe he could have been more diplomatic and made the owners task of removal, much harder. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, Rich said:

I agree Cotterill's response seemed rather petulant and there was really only one outcome after that. I believe he could have been more diplomatic and made the owners task of removal, much harder. 

Hopefully he wouldn't have been removed for some time to come in that scenario.

1)  Cotts does the diplomacy as you say.

2) With more harmony perhaps on pitch results have us lower midtable or surviving at least.

3) Cotts still in place as we approach the summer of 2016 and know that the matchday income will rise post redevelopment, as will the off field revenue.

As such, it is Cotts who gets the budget from 2016 although would he have brought into the player trading side? Some of that would have been necessary.

[Davefevs]

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

As such, it is Cotts who gets the budget from 2016 although would he have brought into the player trading side? Some of that would have been necessary.

He sold Baldock.

[Davefevs]

On 07/11/2021 at 21:28, Davefevs said:

I don’t disagree with most of that.

But my worry going back 3/4 seasons is - what do you do when there are no players left to sell?  My other fear was the transfer market collapsing.  I obviously want expecting Covid, but always feared a tv deal collapse.

When I see City with costs of £60m but Millwall, Preston, etc doing as well (better?) than us on £30m I think it means we got too big for our boots.

We are now having to cut back seriously to avoid FFP next season.  That’s hamstrung us massively this summer.

The answer is to recruit well / smartly, develop your own players.

Interesting that RG made almost identical comments tonight on BBCRB.

[Mr Popodopolous]

31 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

He sold Baldock.

Well that was a positive certainly. It could have gone either way though over time IMO.

It's an interesting counterfactual either way.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

It's now over 8 months since Nige took on the "project" . According to many, the problem is entirely with the squad and not the coaching. I disagree.  Nigel has made it very clear what he wants from the players and has very publicly stated that he'll get rid of those who dont buy into what he's trying to do .... which seems like just about everyone. 

Thoughts anyone? 

[big dosser]

next 3 games very important.no wins in there i think it will be time to go rather see a new man with the jan transfer window pending

[LondonBristolian]

Do we have to start this conversation again every time we lose? I would understand it after three bad performances in a row but two decent performances in the last week seem to fly out the window, along with the fact we are missing our three most experienced central midfielders.

Yes - it  is worrying how dependent our season appears to be on Williams’ hamstrings but bored by supporters of a team expected to finish lower mid table throwing their toys out the pram because we lost away to a team just out of the premier league when we have injuries and they have a new manager bounce.

[Red Army 75]

Needs to get more of his own players in and try and offload some of the dross we have here.