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48 minutes ago, One Team said:

Conspiracy theory tastic:

I wonder if NP knew this was coming and that’s why Simpson and Downing have gone, paving the way for Shakespeare to join back up with him?

I thought Pearson meet up with him a while back in Bristol basically keeps in contact or did I just dream that ?

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3 minutes ago, Street red said:

I thought Pearson meet up with him a while back in Bristol basically keeps in contact or did I just dream that ?

No you didn’t, they were seen walking round the waterfront together,

For those of you who don’t think Nige has a sense of humour, he was seen outside The Ostrich..

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Smith, please, please, please, plays football the right way instead of the old aimlessly lump it and hope merchants, after not having the imagination to go for Cooper or Martin in the summer and preferring to bow to fan pressure now is the time to do the right thing, of course whether he’d be interested in coming here is another matter

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26 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

No you didn’t, they were seen walking round the waterfront together,

For those of you who don’t think Nige has a sense of humour, he was seen outside The Ostrich..

That was it cheers mate old nige certainly does have a sense of humour just hope he gets well and hope that Shakespeare does come here need all the help we can get. ?

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1 minute ago, Will Rollason said:

Would be nice. He may just stay with Smith tho 

Think Nige’s relationship with Shakespeare is longer standing than with Smith and so hopefully this would help us convince him to come, IF (& it is if), we are actually looking to recruit further in our back room team? 

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3 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

Think Nige’s relationship with Shakespeare is longer standing than with Smith and so hopefully this would help us convince him to come, IF (& it is if), we are actually looking to recruit further in our back room team? 

We must be .. Fleming was never supposed to be head coach was he? It's plain that Nigel isn't one( I don't think he's claimed to be) so yeah ffs we badly need a decent coach asap

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2 hours ago, billywedlock said:

Thats funny. I did speak to some non football staff at AG and they all said he was wonderful to have around the place. Treats all staff with great respect. 

Heard the same. Most managers/head coaches insist on being referred to as "gaffer" or "boss" even with the non-football staff, but from day one Pearson told them all to call him Nige! 

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5 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

No he was coach. That steve Walsh 

He was THE coach.

And I would not be surprised if he now comes and joins us. 

Getting the band back together" so to speak and this could mean that NP can stay with this extra help.

Never know could be a win, win, win situation.

 

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7 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

He was THE coach.

And I would not be surprised if he now comes and joins us. 

Getting the band back together" so to speak and this could mean that NP can stay with this extra help.

Never know could be a win, win, win situation.

The timing of this certainly has a "it's meant to be" feel about it. 

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I’m not totally in with the some of the Smith love  in comments.

Yep, not bad manager but he had a huge budget when in the championship and his budget got him so far in the prem and now he was starting to get found out. I mean come on he managed a team that we scored 8 against :)

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5 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

I’m not totally in with the some of the Smith love  in comments.

Yep, not bad manager but he had a huge budget when in the championship and his budget got him so far in the prem and now he was starting to get found out. I mean come on he managed a team that we scored 8 against :)

Good manager, but much easier to look like you know what you’re doing if you’ve got £££ and Grealish in the team. Games without Grealish his record is nowhere near as good. 

 

21 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

The timing of this certainly has a "it's meant to be" feel about it. 

I really hope you’re right. Great coach, didn’t quite work for him as a manager. Could he be head coach to NP’s “director of football “?

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2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

No you didn’t, they were seen walking round the waterfront together,

For those of you who don’t think Nige has a sense of humour, he was seen outside The Ostrich..

Surely Shakespeare wanted to go the Shakespeare!

2 hours ago, Loosey Boy said:

Think Nige’s relationship with Shakespeare is longer standing than with Smith and so hopefully this would help us convince him to come, IF (& it is if), we are actually looking to recruit further in our back room team? 

Yes, and Shakespeare (like Smith) is a Villa fan too.

20 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

I’m not totally in with the some of the Smith love  in comments.

Yep, not bad manager but he had a huge budget when in the championship and his budget got him so far in the prem and now he was starting to get found out. I mean come on he managed a team that we scored 8 against :)

He served his apprenticeship imho at Walsall and Brentford and he deserved whatever situation he landed at Villa….much as it pains me that he got them up.

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3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hopefully we can be proactive- and look to make a good offer to Shakespeare PDQ if we haven't already.

Then it starts to look a bit better...Pearson, Fleming and Rennie here in their differing roles- Shakespeare being added would be good. What is Steve Walsh up to these days?

Wouod you rather another coach in eg Shakey or use his wages towards Jan players.

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18 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Wouod you rather another coach in eg Shakey or use his wages towards Jan players.

I'm leaning towards getting the coaching setup right, NP with staff that he truly wants, knows- has had success with.

I don't see us going down, barring a disastrous injury situation. I am hoping we can perform better or at least more competitively and with proper cohesion once the injury situation eases properly.

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9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I'm leaning towards getting the coaching setup right, NP with staff that he truly wants, knows- has had success with.

I don't see us going down, barring a disastrous injury situation. I am hoping we can perform better or at least more competitively and with proper cohesion once the injury situation eases properly.

Nige’s ongoing health is a major concern though. He might not be able to continue. I think Shakespeare might go back to Watford with Ranieri (if reports are correct)

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33 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Nige’s ongoing health is a major concern though. He might not be able to continue. I think Shakespeare might go back to Watford with Ranieri (if reports are correct)

Apparently, according to almost everyone we're not allowed to talk about Nige's health. See my thread.

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I can see why Shakespeare would want to rejoin Ranieri. But I can’t see why he’d want to return to Watford. Money tends to talk but SL can almost certainly (in spite of our current predicament) offer more security. NP has praised the clubs care for him while he had Covid, so this may be a factor too.

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Gerrard is an interesting one. I think for his likely intended career trajectory (Rangers -> *Prem Team* -> Liverpool) it makes sense, but to be seen as having done a "good job" there, I wonder whether he'll have expectations on him of making Villa into a Leicester/West Ham. It's an interesting challenge in that respect, but Rodgers and Moyes are vastly more experienced and are probably both in their managerial prime.

I'll watch how he gets on with interest, I think this is a bit of a risk though. 

 

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34 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Gerrard is an interesting one. I think for his likely intended career trajectory (Rangers -> *Prem Team* -> Liverpool) it makes sense, but to be seen as having done a "good job" there, I wonder whether he'll have expectations on him of making Villa into a Leicester/West Ham. It's an interesting challenge in that respect, but Rodgers and Moyes are vastly more experienced and are probably both in their managerial prime.

I'll watch how he gets on with interest, I think this is a bit of a risk though. 

Exactly that. Villa a stepping stone to the Liverpool job. 

Fair play to Lansdown for at least approaching Gerrard's representatives last summer, what an appointment that would've been. 

I think he'll do a good job at Villa. 

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36 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Gerrard is an interesting one. I think for his likely intended career trajectory (Rangers -> *Prem Team* -> Liverpool) it makes sense, but to be seen as having done a "good job" there, I wonder whether he'll have expectations on him of making Villa into a Leicester/West Ham. It's an interesting challenge in that respect, but Rodgers and Moyes are vastly more experienced and are probably both in their managerial prime.

I'll watch how he gets on with interest, I think this is a bit of a risk though. 

 

It's certainly a risk for him if he wants the Liverpool job after Klopp. If it goes pear shaped at Villa there won't be a chance he'll get it then.

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33 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Exactly that. Villa a stepping stone to the Liverpool job. 

Fair play to Lansdown for at least approaching Gerrard's representatives last summer, what an appointment that would've been. 

I think he'll do a good job at Villa. 

Would've been really exciting, and he'd have had no choice but to back him financially which would've been interesting. Was it a flat no from Gerrard's team then? I assume so. 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59238635

Aston Villa have appointed Steven Gerrard as manager on a three-and-a-half year deal, ending his three-year reign at Rangers.

The former Liverpool captain, 41, leaves the Scottish champions having guided them to a first league title in 10 years last season.

Gerrard replaces Dean Smith, who was sacked on Sunday after a run of five successive defeats.

Villa are 16th in the Premier League, two points above the relegation zone.

"Aston Villa is a club with a rich history and tradition in English football and I am immensely proud to become its new head coach," said Gerrard.

"In my conversations with Nassef [Sawiris], Wes [Edens] and the rest of the board, it was apparent how ambitious their plans are for the club and I am looking forward to helping them achieve their aims."

Gerrard took his first steps in senior management with Scottish Premiership side Rangers in 2018, and leaves with them four points clear of rivals Celtic at the top of the table.

He played 710 times for Liverpool, winning nine trophies, and spent a season at MLS side LA Galaxy in 2015 before retiring as a player the following year.

He coached at Liverpool's youth academy before managing the under-18 team during the 2017-18 season.

Gerrard is England's fourth-most capped player with 114 international appearances, in which he scored 21 goals.

 

Much bigger challenge to keep them up than what he did with Glasgow Rangers 

 

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37 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

 

I think he'll do a good job at Villa. 

Or not as the very expensive case may be.

It’s one thing to achieve success in a two horse race in Scotland yet another to be up against the many top coaches in the Prem with a squad of players who are not world class.

The thought of having SG here instead of NP, whilst giving us a high profile appointment , seemed too risky to me. ( not like appointing a safe pair of experienced  hands who we could count on. :blink:

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3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

The thought of having SG here instead of NP, whilst giving us a high profile appointment , seemed too risky to me. ( not like appointing a safe pair of experienced  hands who we could count on. :blink:

Every managerial appointment is a gamble regardless of the guys CV. 

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Think it's a good calculated risk by Gerrard, Rangers were fantastic last season but don't look like equalling their points tally this season or how far they got in Europe. Villa are underachieving in the prem too despite losing Grealish. Premier league is the deep end compared to the SPL but I believe he has picked a good club and will be hard seeing him get a better offer come along anytime soon, especially if his Rangers record looks more average in future.

Shame that Celtic and Rangers have become stepping stones for mid table prem clubs because they are both massive clubs but money talks. ?

I wonder if Gerrard has enough experience to look any better than the likes of Ole, Lampard, Arteta etc (the good players, average managers club). If a clubs doesn't want to compete with their rivals financially for a couple of seasons then I see these type of appointments being made, will be interesting to see if Villa spend to take them to the next level or not.

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48 minutes ago, Baba Yaga said:

Think it's a good calculated risk by Gerrard, Rangers were fantastic last season but don't look like equalling their points tally this season or how far they got in Europe. Villa are underachieving in the prem too despite losing Grealish. Premier league is the deep end compared to the SPL but I believe he has picked a good club and will be hard seeing him get a better offer come along anytime soon, especially if his Rangers record looks more average in future.

Shame that Celtic and Rangers have become stepping stones for mid table prem clubs because they are both massive clubs but money talks. ?

I wonder if Gerrard has enough experience to look any better than the likes of Ole, Lampard, Arteta etc (the good players, average managers club). If a clubs doesn't want to compete with their rivals financially for a couple of seasons then I see these type of appointments being made, will be interesting to see if Villa spend to take them to the next level or not.

Steven Gerrard has already achieved more as a manager than any of those 3.

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37 minutes ago, 054123 said:

I wonder why he’s considered an upgrade on Dean Smith?

He isn’t in my view. Being built up as a future Liverpool Manager but based on what? At the moment, it would be a huge step down to go from Klopp to Gerrard

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