Monkeh Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said: It isn't my job to do the software development, but if a critical member of my team falls ill and it jeopardises a project, it IS my job to find a work around. The club seems to be simply crossing their fingers and hoping NP is back soon. so what do you want gould to do? interfere in first team affairs like Mark Ashton? Pick the team? take training? or leave the assistant manager to step up and cover the managers role while the manager is off sick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Surprised with Nige out for an unspecified time we’re not bringing in someone to help with the load. But I think it’s the right call to keep Nige on and to wait until he’s ready (now I’ve calmed down post Saturday). Unless we continue to plummet and he’s still unwell, not sure what we do then. Need to get behind Fleming and hope Nige is back and ready for our favourable run of fixtures starting in a few weeks time. This is going to be a tough season so the club are going to need us. We’re far from relegated yet ladies and gents. COYR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: See my last comment. There is a problem. What are the club going to do about it? Long Covid symptoms can incapacitate people for many months. I know someone who has been off work since January with it. Had to close his carpentry business. If not months then for years. I was diagnosed with similar long term symptoms in 1986 so I wish him the very best of luck. He'll have to "listen" to his own body rather than the people around him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Johnny Musicworks said: I guess that it’s possible that Nige has offered to resign (sparking the rumours) but it has not been accepted and Gould has now had to front up whilst the Lansdowns decide on temporary measures. I really hope someone is thinking about temporary measures! Not so long ago we had an a manager, an assistant and two coaches. Now we effectively only have one of those men - and the team is all over the shop. It calls for action . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 So we may now face months where the entire show will be run by a recently appointed assistant manager and a temporarily promoted u23 coach? That should stop the rot then. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, BCFCGav said: Surprised with Nige out for an unspecified time we’re not bringing in someone to help with the load. But I think it’s the right call to keep Nige on and to wait until he’s ready (now I’ve calmed down post Saturday). Unless we continue to plummet and he’s still unwell, not sure what we do then. Need to get behind Fleming and hope Nige is back and ready for our favourable run of fixtures starting in a few weeks time. This is going to be a tough season so the club are going to need us. We’re far from relegated yet ladies and gents. COYR But at the moment Fleming is on his Jack Jones. He needs some help tbf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) Are the blokes on GT now on here? Just out of interest? Edited November 8, 2021 by lenred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, lenred said: It’s not his job and I thought GT was slightly naughty in pushing those areas of questioning tbh. I thought GT was too light with him - he could/should have been far tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, chinapig said: So we may now face months where the entire show will be run by a recently appointed assistant manager and a temporarily promoted u23 coach? That should stop the rot then. It's not insurmountable....................until you realise this is Bristol City ownership and boardroom management we are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, chinapig said: So we may now face months where the entire show will be run by a recently appointed assistant manager and a temporarily promoted u23 coach? That should stop the rot then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, BCFCGav said: Surprised with Nige out for an unspecified time we’re not bringing in someone to help with the load. But I think it’s the right call to keep Nige on and to wait until he’s ready (now I’ve calmed down post Saturday). Unless we continue to plummet and he’s still unwell, not sure what we do then. Need to get behind Fleming and hope Nige is back and ready for our favourable run of fixtures starting in a few weeks time. This is going to be a tough season so the club are going to need us. We’re far from relegated yet ladies and gents. COYR Thay have to keep Nige on they cant sack someone off sick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Robbored said: I thought GT was too light with him - he could/should have been far tougher. Life would be boring without opinions Alan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: so what do you want gould to do? interfere in first team affairs like Mark Ashton? Pick the team? take training? or leave the assistant manager to step up and cover the managers role while the manager is off sick No. But find someone who bloody can. Unless your idea is to let Fleming continue on his todd indefinitely. That option doesn't seem to be working, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: He was being politically evasive and far better at than smarmy Ashton was. Don’t disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, johnheadbcfc said: My favourite bit was describing our play style High energy ,attacking high press Well we did it once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: No. But find someone who bloody can. Unless your idea is to let Fleming continue on his todd indefinitely. That option doesn't seem to be working, does it? He can't continue on his own, that would be sheer lunacy........not to mention very unfair on Curtis Fleming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornacix the Druid Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 My take on it is that Nige has been ill for longer than admitted, and may have taken on too much by taking job on. Its now coming to a head as Nige cannot do what he was employed to do. Nige (proud man) doesn't want to walk and bcfc doesn't want him to go. However, both are thinking about what is best for Nige and the club and, it's obvious, the guys health comes first and we cannot dither about with the team in free fall. I'm sure both will come to the same conclusion if not already done so. It's just a matter of when and how. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Couple of quick points: - One word I do associate heavily with Pearson is integrity. I can quite believe he’d offer to resign if he thought it was the best thing for the club bearing in mind the situation. - That being said, I don’t think, as most don’t, that having NP out for an indeterminate term and no interim is tenable. As an organisation, Bristol Sport have been here before - Matt Beard taking over from Tanya Oxtoby. There is absolutely nothing wrong with short term help, and it’s best for all parties 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_C Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Let's just hope you don't get long covid and at the same time people take to the forum to speculate about you. Of course something isn't right - what is so complicated about that? Why are you deliberately misinterpreting what people are saying? Everyone wishes Pearson the best. Everyone agrees that whatever does or doesn’t happen Pearson’s health is the most important thing. Absolutely, people shouldn’t speculate on his health, that’s inappropriate. When someone says ‘something isn’t right’ they clearly understand the man is unwell and, I would hope and assume, wish him well. The point is there’s a difference between the fumbling uncertainty Gould just provided (and I’m not trying to criticise him in that respect) and him saying ‘We’ve spoken to Nigel, obviously he’s unwell at present, we take it as it comes of course but he’s clearly expressed his desire to return ASAP’. Pointing out that Gould’s responses were unconvincing shouldn’t be met with ‘Oh what so you don’t give a shit that he’s ill!?’ What kind of nonsense is that!? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, billywedlock said: What are you not convinced about ? That nige is ill ? That neither he nor the club know when he will recover ? I’m not convinced that Nige comes back, I’m not convinced that the club haven’t had those discussions with him. I personally inferred from those answers that the club don’t know if Nige wants to come back. I have been a big Nige advocate and I was hoping that Richard was going to say that obviously Nige is sadly unwell but we’ve talked to him and he can’t wait to get bet to full fitness and come back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshbristol Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Source is strong never let me down in the past. Has let you down now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cornacix the Druid said: My take on it is that Nige has been ill for longer than admitted, and may have taken on too much by taking job on. Its now coming to a head as Nige cannot do what he was employed to do. Nige (proud man) doesn't want to walk and bcfc doesn't want him to go. However, both are thinking about what is best for Nige and the club and, it's obvious, the guys health comes first and we cannot dither about with the team in free fall. I'm sure both will come to the same conclusion if not already done so. It's just a matter of when and how. Completely agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TomF said: I’d be getting Shakespeare in ASAP. If we want Nigel back he’s his true right hand man and knows the score No-one can be sure when - or even if - Pearson will be back at work. Everything's up in the air. On that basis, I'm not sure why Shakespeare would want to come here, at least until there's much more clarity about Pearson's situation Edited November 8, 2021 by Merrick's Marvels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: That's the key for me. Pearson's situation will take as long as it needs to take but we can't completely throw the towel in. Someone in a leadership position at the club needs to show a bit of leadership. If it's Curtis Fleming, fine, if it's Colin on a three month contract then so be it BUT something needs to be thought out. That’s my concern, I just don’t have a lot of faith in those taking up the temporary reins. Just guessing but it might be that NP has had less involvement that we previously understood. If he has long Covid then it has been for a while. So were those assisting him having more of an influence, and the results down to them? Bit worrying if that is what we limping on with. As we all know the trouble with Covid is that if affects individuals so differently, we have no idea about the time scales of long Covid. Harsh, but it has to be thought about is the fact that we cannot carry on, possibly get relegated and then NP decides he needs to leave. I don’t think either party can afford to let things drift. I got a feeling NP will be given a little time, maybe a month or so and then he will be paid off due to his health. That way he can leave with dignity, whereas at the moment taking his heath out of the equation that doesn’t look possible. The next few weeks will be a turning point, one way or the other for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Very unconvinced by that. That’s my first time hearing Gould and length and being truthful I felt it was a poor interview - not just on the Pearson situation. Lots of filler on needing to ‘work hard’ and how we have ‘good players’. Had to really press him to get firm answers on Massengo etc. Excuses, which aren’t necessarily untrue, about competing with PP clubs. Didn’t seem to understand coaches roles either and a predictable safe answer about solutions to improving the atmosphere. I’m sure he’s a very nice guy, and I appreciate it’s a tricky situation, but I felt he really sounds like a Lansdown man. Decent, polite and won’t really rock the boat. That as a first impression hasn’t impressed me and I’m not really sure it’s what the club needs. Full credit to him for coming on though, and hopefully my first impression is wrong. Credit to Geoff for pressing him too. He asked the questions the fans wanted to hear. What do you want him to say in regards to the football questions ? He’s not a football man , he’s a businessman unlike the last fraud . It’s not his job to answer questions on tactics etc. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 28 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: See my last comment. There is a problem. What are the club going to do about it? Long Covid symptoms can incapacitate people for many months. I know someone who has been off work since January with it. Had to close his carpentry business. Not sure what they can do, it’s a very difficult situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I'd be sick as well if I had Nige's job. Recruitment Manager Coach No budget Players who aren't good enough He's like a blindfolded, one-armed man, in a gun fight, armed with a butter knife. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, RedM said: That’s my concern, I just don’t have a lot of faith in those taking up the temporary reins. Just guessing but it might be that NP has had less involvement that we previously understood. If he has long Covid then it has been for a while. So were those assisting him having more of an influence, and the results down to them? Bit worrying if that is what we limping on with. As we all know the trouble with Covid is that if affects individuals so differently, we have no idea about the time scales of long Covid. Harsh, but it has to be thought about is the fact that we cannot carry on, possibly get relegated and then NP decides he needs to leave. I don’t think either party can afford to let things drift. I got a feeling NP will be given a little time, maybe a month or so and then he will be paid off due to his health. That way he can leave with dignity, whereas at the moment taking his heath out of the equation that doesn’t look possible. The next few weeks will be a turning point, one way or the other for all. Think the club has to do something in the next fortnight. There is a massive month coming up for the team and help of some sort is needed as can't see NP being back for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, JonDolman said: Since covid he probably looked the most animated since he's been here in that Barnsley game Probably didn’t do him much good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) Richard Gould. He didn't sound convincing from what I heard but I missed the first 5-6 mins so will reserve judgement. Nige. Hopefully his health issues fix themselves. That has to be the most important thing here, a real gesture, sign of faith would be to make an approach for Shakespeare. If he does he have to step down on health grounds though, where the hell do we go from here. If it's Fleming etc for the foreseeable ie the current and only the current coaching staff, then ahead of 9 games in 44 days following the International break then that has to be a worry. Edited November 8, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) I still like the idea of appointing Shakespeare as Head Coach with Pearson becoming director of football, this makes more sense now given the circumstances. This arrangement can then be reviewed in the summer. Edited November 8, 2021 by Dynamite Red 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, LoyalRed said: Not sure what they can do, it’s a very difficult situation. Add to the coaching team or allow NP to step back for, say, six months, and appoint a temporary manager. As a CEO you are paid to solve problems. Deal with difficult decisions. In a word "manage". 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Meanwhile in Bermuda ....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Dynamite Red said: I still like the idea of appointing Shakespeare as Head Coach with Pearson becoming director of football, this makes more sense now given the circumstances. I’ve thought the same, the only ‘issue’ I see with the DOF role is that I’m sure it’s been said previously that NP doesn’t like dealing with agents etc, and that would have to be part of the role surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: I'm sure you'll have a conspiracy either way No I just listened to the interview in the end like everyone else. Sorry to disappoint you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornacix the Druid Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Dynamite Red said: I still like the idea of appointing Shakespeare as Head Coach with Pearson becoming director of football, this makes more sense now given the circumstances. Exactly what I was thinking. A permanent replacement of manager and Nige to poss come back as DoF when he's ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, billywedlock said: I’m not sure what’s happened to this forum . Maybe lockdown , social unrest , life delusion s but there was a time when supporters got supporting when the going got tough . All we get now is a competition to state how many ways we can describe being distraught , outraged and disgusted , followed by demands for answers . So many talking about problems but with no solutions proposed. You know that person at work I’m sure. I dearly hope we never have another war to fight because it would be over pretty damn quick . Stop bleating and get supporting . If you have not yet worked out what a tough period this is for our club then you must be an ostrich. proper football chat is great but this moanathon is not. Totally agree although it's been like this long before lockdown. The first time I really noticed it was during LJ's 8-game losing streak, people in a permanent state of hysterical outrage where answers are demanded but none of them are acceptable when they come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Red Army 87 said: I’ve thought the same, the only ‘issue’ I see with the DOF role is that I’m sure it’s been said previously that NP doesn’t like dealing with agents etc, and that would have to be part of the role surely? I would have him looking at the entire club and be hands on when ready, I would appoint Steve Walsh to head up recruitment who would deal with the agents with Gould 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, LoyalRed said: Not sure what they can do, it’s a very difficult situation. Exactly, morally and legally making a change now is very difficult with the ongoing illness issue. Temporary manager until the end of the season (Warnock) would be the happy medium for all concerned but is also a recipe for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P'head Red Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: I still like the idea of appointing Shakespeare as Head Coach with Pearson becoming director of football, this makes more sense now given the circumstances. This arrangement can then be reviewed in the summer. Gould categorically said no discussion has been held in relation to Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, pl00peh91 said: World’s biggest anticlimax So, although Nige not going, maybe misinterpretation of: - media called to AG, when it looks like RG did a media video - James Piercy has had access to RG for an interview / comment. Obviously nothing quite like we (I include myself heavily in that) thought might happen today. Haven’t listened to 20Man nor watched the club video. Will do later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, P'head Red said: Gould categorically said no discussion has been held in relation to Shakespeare No discussion yet. Doesn't mean it shouldn't or will not happen. Just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: You're taking a first hand source as fact, well done. That makes a change for you! How very childish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 That answer "that's what we want" when asked if Nige will be back, could mean that Pearson is struggling and not sure about his future. My mate has long COVID and struggles with energy. If he has even mentioned that he's not sure about coming back, there's no way they will get Shakespear in . One thing we can't do is let it drift on as it has been. Just watched Flemming's post match from Saturday, he moaned about going into ourselves. He had 45 minutes of that, he should have been screaming to get out. We need a leader in soon, whether that's Pearson back or someone else, but soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, billywedlock said: I’m not sure what’s happened to this forum . Maybe lockdown , social unrest , life delusion s but there was a time when supporters got supporting when the going got tough . All we get now is a competition to state how many ways we can describe being distraught , outraged and disgusted , followed by demands for answers . So many talking about problems but with no solutions proposed. You know that person at work I’m sure. I dearly hope we never have another war to fight because it would be over pretty damn quick . Stop bleating and get supporting . If you have not yet worked out what a tough period this is for our club then you must be an ostrich. proper football chat is great but this moanathon is not. It's not a war though is it?...come on. It's a football club. It's being abysmally run. Some of us are season ticket holders and have invested a fair bit of the family treasure in the expectation of a modicum of entertainment. This interview was a new low. I'm peeved and I have no concerns about expressing my peeved-ness! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarumred Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 30 minutes ago, nellie said: Thay have to keep Nige on they cant sack someone off sick Exactly, no one on here has thought of the legal implications. Of course, if NP were to resign, that's a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I really hope someone is thinking about temporary measures! Not so long ago we had an a manager, an assistant and two coaches. Now we effectively only have one of those men - and the team is all over the shop. It calls for action . Completely agree, wish Nigel all the best in return to his health but ultimately Gould has stated his employers do not know when he will return. If that’s the case, the club have to rufous and think of the long term. We’re heading for relegation as things stand , and Nigel could be away for weeks potentially months. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: I would have him looking at the entire club and be hands on when ready, I would appoint Steve Walsh to head up recruitment who would deal with the agents with Gould Good shout - sounds as if he’s certainly been involved in lots of areas already. Not a cheap team though I would imagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said: Temporary manager until the end of the season (Warnock) would be the happy medium for all concerned but is also a recipe for disaster. Precisely, in any business it would be. Say Warnock comes in and starts turning it round and we have a good season. What happens then ? Welcome back Nige... ? Or please stay Neil ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Red Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: So, although Nige not going, maybe misinterpretation of: - media called to AG, when it looks like RG did a media video - James Piercy has had access to RG for an interview / comment. Obviously nothing quite like we (I include myself heavily in that) thought might happen today. Haven’t listened to 20Man nor watched the club video. Will do later. When you listen you will hear that is pretty clear Nige won’t be back and that RG is not even talking to him. I hope it’s not down completely to his health being so poor and he is seriously ill. Reading between the lines sounds like it will be Nige Decision not to come back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Red Army 87 said: Good shout - sounds as if he’s certainly been involved in lots of areas already. Not a cheap team though I would imagine Very true, for the money though you get one of the best first team Coaches available and a top quality recruiter both would be worth there weight in gold and would possibly transform this club of ours if given the time. Much rather appoint this pair and lose the wages of an O'Dowda or Palmer any day of the week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 It is concerning, to say the least, that NP is unwell enough to be on 'indefinite leave'. I wish him a speedy recovery, but the cynic in me says that we have seen the last of him as manager. As I mentioned earlier, this is giving me nightmare-ish déjà vu from the totally bizarre period of time leading up to (and including) Steve Coppell's departure - which IIRC was also mired by huge amounts of speculation but ultimately attributed to poor mental/physical health? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Add to the coaching team or allow NP to step back for, say, six months, and appoint a temporary manager. As a CEO you are paid to solve problems. Deal with difficult decisions. In a word "manage". Temporary manager will create its own issues unless NP agrees to it. Adding to the coaching team would make sense but we did just release 2 of the coaching team when NP caught covid for the second time. I expect Shakespeare is incoming but you can’t say that until it’s agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Firstly, priority here (as I've said all along) is Nigel's health. I think it's good the club haven't put any timescales/pressure on Nigel (publicly) to return. Get well soon Nigel and whatever decision you make has to be right for you and your family. From a business/club perspective though and at a time when we need some strong, confident leadership (and clear communication), it just feels like more uncertainty- left in limbo. I'm sure there's lots going on behind the scenes but outwardly it feels like the opposite. This form table highlights the crisis we're in and it doesn't get any worse than this. Plus when you factor in the reduced coaching team, I cannot see how this is going to improve whilst Nigel is out. The players maybe playoff quality on paper, but names on paper is completely irrelevant compared to the reality we're in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, LoyalRed said: Temporary manager will create its own issues unless NP agrees to it. Adding to the coaching team would make sense but we did just release 2 of the coaching team when NP caught covid for the second time. I expect Shakespeare is incoming but you can’t say that until it’s agreed. Everything has to be agreed with Nige, but letting Fleming try to cope alone for an unknown amount of time is not an option. Nigel, as a pragmatist, will see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Very unconvinced by that. That’s my first time hearing Gould and length and being truthful I felt it was a poor interview - not just on the Pearson situation. Lots of filler on needing to ‘work hard’ and how we have ‘good players’. Had to really press him to get firm answers on Massengo etc. Excuses, which aren’t necessarily untrue, about competing with PP clubs. Didn’t seem to understand coaches roles either and a predictable safe answer about solutions to improving the atmosphere. I’m sure he’s a very nice guy, and I appreciate it’s a tricky situation, but I felt he really sounds like a Lansdown man. Decent, polite and won’t really rock the boat. That as a first impression hasn’t impressed me and I’m not really sure it’s what the club needs. Full credit to him for coming on though, and hopefully my first impression is wrong. Credit to Geoff for pressing him too. He asked the questions the fans wanted to hear. I feel that RG missed an opportunity with an unconvincing, underwhelming interview. At a time when the fan base need some reassurance and confidence from our leadership to demonstrate that our ship isn’t rudderless and steering the wrong course, he failed to inspire me that all will be ok, that we’re in safe hands and that nobody need worry. What I heard was, the captain has fallen ill and his first mate, who’s never captained a ship of this size before, is going to take the wheel and do his best to steer us in the right direction assisted by the ships doctor and a C(isse) scout. I feel less confident now of reaching dry land than before RG tried to reassure me. That can’t be a good thing. Man the lifeboats. 6 2 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 We do have an international break, things might be clearer in just under 2 weeks time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyClapper Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just watched the club interview with Gould on YouTube. Basically talks through the situation in a measured way. Interesting and things I picked up. Gould 1. Nige hasn’t been around much since the last international break My take Seems that everyone is a little shaken by it. Destabilising and might account for the malaise of the past few weeks. Gould 2. Looking to improve the squad from within and through recruitment. The current situation means that some plans will be brought forward, but still looking for value. My take So some recruitment in January if we can get the right players. Sounded like they might have targets identified for the summer but will see which, if any they can bring forward. Looked absolutely aghast at the prospect of relegation, so at least we won’t sleepwalk towards it without measures being taken. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, LoyalRed said: Precisely, in any business it would be. Say Warnock comes in and starts turning it round and we have a good season. What happens then ? Welcome back Nige... ? Or please stay Neil ? At this moment in time that "problem" would be nice to have! At the moment Lansdown can't know which way to turn, he won't be able to or probably doesn't even want "sack" Pearson but can't let this drift on and on...who knows when NP will be back and even if it is within the next month this situation may well happen again this season. One option would be Colin till end of the season but given we wouldn't have a long term commitment with him are the players really going to buy into his way of management (given there performances to date I doubt Pep could get them going), also who signs the players in January? What if NP / NW can't agree on the recruitment process, who does SL back? The other option would be to bring in Shakespeare as his trusted right hand man until NP is back but if we go down it's another compensation we need to pay. Absolute fucksmuddle of a situation that from where I'm sat is likely to end up in some kind of legal dispute, my gut feel is the club is hoping NP makes the decision for them but time will be running out in a week or so. I would imagine there are all kinds of conversations going on at the moment behind the scenes about which way to go hence RG's holding interview tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 48 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: What do you want him to say in regards to the football questions ? He’s not a football man , he’s a businessman unlike the last fraud . It’s not his job to answer questions on tactics etc. that’s true, but you’d expect him to be prepared for it. He should’ve known it was coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bredwood Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: Is it OK if I point out that we are as close to the play off places as we are to the relegation zone or as that something that people don’t want to hear at the moment? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, HappyClapper said: Just watched the club interview with Gould on YouTube. Basically talks through the situation in a measured way. Interesting and things I picked up. Gould 1. Nige hasn’t been around much since the last international break Was working up at the training ground a couple of weeks ago and Nige was there and seemed to be okay to me. He actually looked to be in quite a good mood and gave us the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) This is going to be messy and drawn out I think . The club will not sack him whilst there’s a chance he’ll walk of his own accord on the grounds of Poor health . The latter option being much the cheaper option no doubt ! Expect to see CF being given the role as indefinite cover for NP in the hope that he’ll resign anyway ! Pretty sure the Sags would like to see Barton gone too but will likewise hold out to see if he actually gets convicted of either of his assault charges so they can sack him for nowt ! What a basket case this City is Edited November 8, 2021 by Baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, HappyClapper said: Just watched the club interview with Gould on YouTube. Basically talks through the situation in a measured way. Interesting and things I picked up. Gould 1. Nige hasn’t been around much since the last international break My take Seems that everyone is a little shaken by it. Destabilising and might account for the malaise of the past few weeks. Gould 2. Looking to improve the squad from within and through recruitment. The current situation means that some plans will be brought forward, but still looking for value. My take So some recruitment in January if we can get the right players. Sounded like they might have targets identified for the summer but will see which, if any they can bring forward. Looked absolutely aghast at the prospect of relegation, so at least we won’t sleepwalk towards it without measures being taken. I was quite surprised at that. If we are looking then I really hope we have a recruitment team sorted, especially if NP is out for any length of time. Disappointed that this wasn’t asked as opposed to the style of play questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, swanker said: Was working up at the training ground a couple of weeks ago and Nige was there and seemed to be okay to me. He actually looked to be in quite a good mood and gave us the Which makes everyone think there is more to it than this interview. Richard Gould was just a holding statement. More to follow soon for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Nigel Pearson leaving the club is Twitter speculation ‘at this point’. Does this mean he continues as manager? ‘That is what we want’ Very political responses I’ve been out for a walk and just listened….flabber-effing-gasted by those answers. 1 hour ago, Robbored said: RG just confirmed that Nige has long covid and will be back as soon as he’s fit and well so all the social media rumour mill is all bollocks He didn’t actually say that, although he implied it by saying long covid is a big unknown. I have nothing to doubt that in fairness but the answers to the questions that followed were far from convincing as Red Dave says. My summary, tough (good) interview from Geoff, but questions remain whether a CEO should be answering true football questions, and probably highlights we need someone between the CEO and the manager who understands both sides of the fence and can be objective on both parts. That’s not a dig at RG, just my continued thinking of the gap in the BCFC hierarchy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicdaps Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Cornacix the Druid said: My take on it is that Nige has been ill for longer than admitted, and may have taken on too much by taking job on. Its now coming to a head as Nige cannot do what he was employed to do. Nige (proud man) doesn't want to walk and bcfc doesn't want him to go. However, both are thinking about what is best for Nige and the club and, it's obvious, the guys health comes first and we cannot dither about with the team in free fall. I'm sure both will come to the same conclusion if not already done so. It's just a matter of when and how. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Numero Uno said: I suppose the point of the interview is to confirm that the Manager has a serious illness that may or may not be a long term thing and that the club want him back in the role but with such an illness this cannot be guaranteed. You would have to be a thick as pigs shit simpleton to go on record and say he's definitely going to be back. Clearly this situation will be ongoing which is why Gould has to be slightly evasive. It's not that hard to understand. Which makes me wonder why go on the radio at this point. Why not leave it at the club video he did earlier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Which makes me wonder why go on the radio at this point. Why not leave it at the club video he did earlier? Because he then gets the Mark Ashton treatment on here...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 hours ago, !james said: Has been… out dated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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