And Its Smith Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, TheReds said: Oh ok then, we won't believe anything that kids tell us what happens in schools. We will just go along with that is taught in a well rounded way as we don't attend their lessons, still nice that you can make a judgement, even though you haven't had the lesson taught to you either. The bottom line is primary schoolchildren do not need to know a single thing about any gender identity, non binary, trans, choose genders on certain days etc etc. Why can't they just be left alone to simply be kids? Assuming you complained to the school. What did they say in their defence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Just now, richwwtk said: Kids are a lot more aware of things these days, especially once they start school, mainly due to access to the internet. Childrens brains are not more aware of things these days. The brains development has not altered. 2 minutes ago, richwwtk said: Some of these things need to be taught and explained fairly early on otherwise they end up getting their opinions from people thy don't know who are free to write and publish any old rubbish. It is a reason kids should not be exposed to complex issues. Psychologically they do not possess the comprehension skills to deal with complexity. Children should be allowed to be kids. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, richwwtk said: Kids are a lot more aware of things these days, especially once they start school, mainly due to access to the internet. Some of these things need to be taught and explained fairly early on otherwise they end up getting their opinions from people thy don't know who are free to write and publish any old rubbish. I notice, also, that the school in Scotland having a boys in skirts day (in support of a Spanish boy who was expelled and sent to a psychiatrist for wearing a skirt to school) was an initiative thought up by the students, not the school pushing it downwards. Where are the parents? I'm sure the story spread like wildfire through the Primary school where kids just happened to stumble across this story, and primary kids being primary kids first thought was for the Spanish schoolkid, and they thought they would do a protest for inclusivity.... Sounds plausible that this wasn't pushed by some adults whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIAN WILSON Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, supercidered said: Park & Ride All great times! Ah, Tog Hill ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Assuming you complained to the school. What did they say in their defence? You get fobbed off at every turn, and they don't present any defence because they have their agenda, it's just takes a toll whilst getting no answers so the child no longer goes to the school anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Just remember if that image upsets or frustrates you, you're being affected by the style of cotton a complete stranger puts on their body. Little bit of perspective for ya. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, 054123 said: Let’s be honest, it’s a fashion shoot for Arena. He’ll be wandering his house in flip flops and shorts this weekend! I don’t understand the ‘concern’ in this thread. I tried to reply to this but kept writing what I wrote in the first place. Happy for him, no "concerns" with the gender swapping. Challenged over the adult wearing a children's school uniform - probably because I have young children. So I guess I don't understand the concern either but I empathise with some things I find slightly challenging which is different than a concern. I guess we've all had different experiences that have shaped what we are concerned about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Few points: 1. DCL is known for extravagant dress sense. What this has done is raised his profile far in excess of the fee from the magazine, and the magazine getting publicity far in excess of the fee paid to him. In marketing/media that’s called a win:win 2. It matters not if you think it’s manly or not. I wouldn’t wear it because, to be frank, it’d look shit on me. I don’t think it looks great on him but see (1) - he’s getting publicity and money to do so, so more power to him. People who have a problem with him wearing it are just a bit odd. 3. On the schools thing - I seem to say a lot on the politics forum, the plural of anecdote is not data. One headteacher, one school, doesn’t make some conspiracy to degender every child. In fact, it makes news because it is the exception - and often for a reason (as in the solidarity example) that gives more than the headline. Personally, I have no issue in LGBTQ being taught at the time sex education is in schools. But there aren’t reams of 6 year olds being taught about terfs etc… Short version: fair play to him, if you’re offended it says more about you than it does about him, and there aren’t hordes of people out to encourage your kids to go trans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, The Bard said: So the 9 year old who wants to be a boy has no right to be told about any of this? Being a kid involves navigating this so they should not have knowledge hidden away to please the Church/ Mosque/ Synagogue. Yes he/she can be told whatever the parents are happy for them to be told, it isn't a teachers job to tell kids what the individual teachers think themselves and their agenda (we will end up going down the US route). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, TheReds said: Happened in a primary school in Scotland, asked boys to wear a skirt for the day for inclusivity and equality (I mean that's what really promotes equality and they couldn't have done anything else). There seems to be a whole agenda pushing gender identity on young kids who just don't need to know about it at that age. It was a primary school, kids should be left alone to be kids rather than confusing them with all of this gender nonsense pushed on them. Why can they not be left alone to be kids and pretend to be whatever they want to be for the day, and as they grow up they then choose who or what they want to be? So that's one school, for one day. Any more schools "pushing" "this" that you know of? There's almost 21,000 primary schools in the UK. Just so we get a broader idea of the level of "push" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 57 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Do you think she might say that, as well? She should be so lucky! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 43 minutes ago, Riaz said: Well rounded? Being taught you arent a boy or girl when you are born - is that well rounded. I get they have to teach children to be inclusive and i fully support that. But this gender nonsense is ridiculous - gender dysmorphia (Which i think is a real thing) affects under 0.01% of people. Why are they teaching our kids this nonsense, when 99.99% of people are happy with their gender and dont have an issue. Its bizarre. To clarify, on calvert lewin. Have no issue, if he wants to dress like that thats his choice. Dont understand why anyone would be pissed off. No issue at all with him wearing what he is wearing, he can crack on like I said, it's the agenda that's being pushed is what I don't like. @!james Sad dick head 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Maybe it’s just a case of one head teacher with an agenda is skewering your view on what is happening across all schools I know at the time, there was a few others. Just hope it does not become the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, TheReds said: It's a massive issue. Why would you or anyone want primary kids being told they can change genders and identify as whatever they want at that age, why tell them about their bodies etc. They're kids FFS, let them play as kids and pretend to be a dinosaur, Barbie or a fireman etc, it just confuses kids about something they don't need to know about in the first place. It's an odd agenda being pushed by people who call themselves progressives, think they are always doing the right thing, by pushing things to the extreme. Don't tell them about their bodies, you say, just let them pretend to be Barbie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: So that's one school, for one day. Any more schools "pushing" "this" that you know of? There's almost 21,000 primary schools in the UK. Just so we get a broader idea of the level of "push" Yes, I mentioned a school where complaints have been made, were fobbed off repeatedly and the child was then taken out (not the only child taken out either). The school what Riaz mentioned had an agenda as well. So there are 2 mentioned on here and only from a handful of posters. No doubt these are just one off schools in Bristol, and it isn't happening anywhere else in Bristol or the 21000 schools in the UK....I mean it couldn't be could it because you don't think there is an issue. Even if it was only one school out of 21000, it is one school too many. Maybe have a google yourself, and you will find many examples, but no doubt they are all telling porkies..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Just now, TheReds said: Yes, I mentioned a school where complaints have been made, were fobbed off repeatedly and the child was then taken out (not the only child taken out either). The school what Riaz mentioned had an agenda as well. So there are 2 mentioned on here and only from a handful of posters. No doubt these are just one off schools in Bristol, and it isn't happening anywhere else in Bristol or the 21000 schools in the UK....I mean it couldn't be could it because you don't think there is an issue. Even if it was only one school out of 21000, it is one school too many. Maybe have a google yourself, and you will find many examples, but no doubt they are all telling porkies..... Happening all across the UK because the teachers and the head teachers themselves have radical ideas on gender/race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, 2015 said: I think it might be you the one who is rattled by resorting to insults of those who simply disagree with your opinion, which is clearly out of the 'liberal' minded playbook. 1 hour ago, 2015 said: I assume that is the picture you use to get yourself off at night? You're the one here criticising someone purely for wearing something that you don't approve of. Let people wear whatever the hell they want to wear, let people be whoever they want to be, as long as it doesn't harm anybody how can there possibly be any issue. Firstly, even if it doesn't impact you, but it does impact others. I have a family member who would have rather died than continue to be a man. I don't get it personally, but does it bother me? Not at all, let her be who she wants to be. Secondly, how can this possibly bug you when it doesn't impact you whatsoever? You'll find that life is so much easier when you're not continually angry at other people for doing things which they want to do and which only affect themselves. Try bigging yourself up, which I'm absolutely sure you're capable of, rather than bringing them down. Edited November 10, 2021 by nebristolred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Don't tell them about their bodies, you say, just let them pretend to be Barbie. As in a doll, like when I was a kid many wanted to be an action man or Barbie when they grew up as that was the in things. Unsure what or why you need to explain anything to kids at all. Does a primary child need to know about anatomy if they want to grow up and be like Barbie or an action man? The week after they want to be something else, it's called being a child. They don't need to go to school and get told they can identify as a girl one day and then a boy the next, and get told about gender neutral etc - as Primary children. Not going to argue, you can rightfully have a different view to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Just now, nebristolred said: You're the one here criticising someone purely for wearing something that you don't approve of. Let people wear whatever the hell they want to wear, let people be whoever they want to be, as long as it doesn't harm anybody how can there possibly be any issue. Firstly, even if it doesn't impact you, but it does impact others. I have a family member who would have rather died than continue to be a man. I don't get it personally, but does it bother me? Not at all, let her be who she wants to be. Secondly, how can this possibly bug you when it doesn't impact you whatsoever? You'll find that life is so much easier when you're not continually angry at other people for doing things which they want to do and which only affect themselves. Try bigging yourself up rather than bringing them down. Already said I don't have a problem with him personally wearing it, it's about the agenda that's being pushed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheReds said: As in a doll, like when I was a kid many wanted to be an action man or Barbie when they grew up as that was the in things. Unsure what or why you need to explain anything to kids at all. Does a primary child need to know about anatomy if they want to grow up and be like Barbie or an action man? The week after they want to be something else, it's called being a child. They don't need to go to school and get told they can identify as a girl one day and then a boy the next, and get told about gender neutral etc - as Primary children. Not going to argue, you can rightfully have a different view to me. Barbies "push" ideas about bodies upon our children. Not always very healthy or helpful ones. If you are not sure about something a school is doing, go and ask the school (if you have children of that age). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 44 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: 2. It matters not if you think it’s manly or not. I wouldn’t wear it because, to be frank, it’d look shit on me. That's a subjective statement. I think you'd look fabulous and should give it a try. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 2015 said: Already said I don't have a problem with him personally wearing it, it's about the agenda that's being pushed.. What agenda? How can 'wear what you want' possibly bother you? Edited November 10, 2021 by nebristolred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, 2015 said: Happening all across the UK because the teachers and the head teachers themselves have radical ideas on gender/race. Source ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Same old on this thread. All those populists who believe in ‘freedom’ and ‘choice’ up in arms about a bloke choosing to wear something in a fashion mag. Hilarious. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I'm just going to skirt the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Its a fashion thing, relax guys! And who is more clued up than fashion, than football fans? Expect to see a mob of st trinians on ashton road this saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 What !!!!! No tie !!! Might be a hit for some, but It's a miss for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 No game this saturday, my bad! But i really expect this look to take off soon. I wonder how many england fans would go for that look tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, !james said: Wear it whilst you can. As Big Gary cautions for the older gent : "...light trousers? You're joking! What about the Mickey Drips?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, BTRFTG said: Wear it whilst you can. As Big Gary cautions for the older gent : "...light trousers? You're joking! What about the Mickey Drips?" I know what you mean - think I’d look more like Chabudda G in that outfit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Is that a original keith poppel mate? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Just now, Oh Louie louie said: Is that a original keith poppel mate? Ark at you up Broadwalk with yer fashion knowledge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Job done is it not? Honestly, who has heard of that magazine? Loads of people now. Has DCL been paid a shed loads of money for doing this? Most likely. Has DCL's profile been raised because of this? Absolutely. Is this any different to David Beckham wearing god knows what in the late 90s? Nope. Did it hurt David Beckhams profile? Not in the slightest. The point in this photoshoot was to get people talking about the magazine (from the publishers view) and DCL from his POV. Job done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I can hear it now You're not fit to, you're not fit to. you're not fit to wear the skirt you're not fit to wear the skirt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, BRIAN WILSON said: Ah, Tog Hill ?? Park & Ride was a reference to The Parkside. Tog Hill is a bit niche even for me Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 When i first started work, the towns talk had a nasty nickname on a thursday night. Yanleigh lane was like the garden of eden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Andy082005 said: Tidy looking bird to be fair She could do with a shave though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Modern man my arse,Scottish men been wearing skirts for hundreds of years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) M Trouble with blokes wearing women's clothes, you can’t be sure if it’s a man or a woman Edited November 10, 2021 by swanker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, 2015 said: Happening all across the UK because the teachers and the head teachers themselves have radical ideas on gender/race. What do the teachers and head teachers stand to gain by pushing said agenda(s)/ idea(s)? Genuinely interested as I am not educated on this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrytheb Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 This forum is blooming hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whoklldredrobin Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 We do realise he’s not actually wearing a skirt but a pair of flared shorts? I remember the same reaction when Beckham wore a sarong, and Kevin Keegan’s perm. No doubt there were people spilling their cornflakes over George Best’s long hair in the 60s. It’s fashion, darling! I personally like it, I don’t want all our footballers to be automatons running round with buzzcuts - having characters like that is all part of the game. The gender debate is a separate issue, but we’re living through a transitionary period when attitudes towards accepted gender norms are being debated and challenged. I liked the reaction from an old lady when someone complained about Doctor Who being played by an actress: ‘It’s for young people, not for old fuddy-duddys like us.’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 16 hours ago, Agard Days Night said: What do the teachers and head teachers stand to gain by pushing said agenda(s)/ idea(s)? It's not they push agendas, it's in this current cancel and de-platform culture few are willing to espouse criticism of radical views. It's why public debate is skewed and minority viewpoints appear in the majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) Not for me. Edited November 11, 2021 by OddBallJim Wrong emoji. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Definitely makes him stand out, you can see other footballers like Lingard and Bellerin getting into the fashion business and DCL has a massive social media following so it's easier to get more views. In an age where we also have Marcus Rashford playing the philosopher in google adverts it seems that more footballers want side gigs away from their primary income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 38 minutes ago, whoklldredrobin said: We do realise he’s not actually wearing a skirt but a pair of flared shorts? I remember the same reaction when Beckham wore a sarong, and Kevin Keegan’s perm. No doubt there were people spilling their cornflakes over George Best’s long hair in the 60s. It’s fashion, darling! I personally like it, I don’t want all our footballers to be automatons running round with buzzcuts - having characters like that is all part of the game. The gender debate is a separate issue, but we’re living through a transitionary period when attitudes towards accepted gender norms are being debated and challenged. I liked the reaction from an old lady when someone complained about Doctor Who being played by an actress: ‘It’s for young people, not for old fuddy-duddys like us.’ You can't call them actress anymore. They are all actors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 hours ago, BTRFTG said: It's not they push agendas, it's in this current cancel and de-platform culture few are willing to espouse criticism of radical views. It's why public debate is skewed and minority viewpoints appear in the majority. Ok great, thanks. I thought from other comments in this thread that there were agendas being pushed but this really clears it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 hours ago, BTRFTG said: It's not they push agendas, it's in this current cancel and de-platform culture few are willing to espouse criticism of radical views. It's why public debate is skewed and minority viewpoints appear in the majority. But if the majority don't agree, then why are people getting cancelled? Surely that goes against the best interests of the business (or whoever) are cancelling them. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Do you have a couple of examples of people being unfairly cancelled/de-platformed for criticising a radical view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, IAmNick said: But if the majority don't agree, then why are people getting cancelled? Surely that goes against the best interests of the business (or whoever) are cancelling them. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Do you have a couple of examples of people being unfairly cancelled/de-platformed for criticising a radical view? Where to start. Thanks to my daughter I read Chimanada Adichie's latest essay that appears this month's latest TERF target (though Rowling's always up there,) Tzipi Hotovely got cancelled by our intellectual finest this week simply for having the audacity to exist (I don't particularly like her views but think she's every right to express them for others to disagree.) Try Trevor Philips whose thoughts on race and racial classification are most progressive and yet who constantly has to fight his corner under an onslaught from those protagonists for whom everything must be dichotomous, black and white, no room for anything else. But from the famous I'll give you practical examples. A very close friend works in one of the World's leading children's mental health organisations. The data is unequivocal. The majority of children who profess they are the 'wrong gender' and are denied treatment prior to age 15 go on to lead perfectly happy lives in the gender they were born. When able, they decline reassignment. Those who decide to transition post that age have fewer identity problems in adulthood. A significant number of children who commence treatment prior to that age and who commence transition, encounter severe identity issues later in life, realising they may have been somewhat hasty in their actions. The professional advice should be gender reassignment should not be undertaken (save in rare genetic cases,) prior to the individual being 15/16 such they may make their own informed choice. It's signal the number of cases where the child's supposed predilection is actually heavily influenced by the parents. But there's no way that Organisation would ever go public promoting that view knowing the heavily politicised 'genderists' would make their lives hell (they've already had pickets at their gates screaming all sorts at kids and families going in for therapy.) Or a bloke I went to Uni with, once described 'Britain's most racist professor', who in reality is somewhere more hippy and liberal than Neil from The Young Ones. He was cancelled in academic circles and by his students for research relating to climate and intelligence (in which intelligence was a measure of adaptablity, not ethnic superiority.) His findings were well presented, made interesting reading for all sorts of practical reasons, but were jumped upon by those who sought to promote a simplistic racial take on the findings. Killed his specialism stone dead to the disbenefit of promoting education programmes across the globe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Where to start. Thanks to my daughter I read Chimanada Adichie's latest essay that appears this month's latest TERF target (though Rowling's always up there,) Tzipi Hotovely got cancelled by our intellectual finest this week simply for having the audacity to exist (I don't particularly like her views but think she's every right to express them for others to disagree.) Try Trevor Philips whose thoughts on race and racial classification are most progressive and yet who constantly has to fight his corner under an onslaught from those protagonists for whom everything must be dichotomous, black and white, no room for anything else. But from the famous I'll give you practical examples. A very close friend works in one of the World's leading children's mental health organisations. The data is unequivocal. The majority of children who profess they are the 'wrong gender' and are denied treatment prior to age 15 go on to lead perfectly happy lives in the gender they were born. When able, they decline reassignment. Those who decide to transition post that age have fewer identity problems in adulthood. A significant number of children who commence treatment prior to that age and who commence transition, encounter severe identity issues later in life, realising they may have been somewhat hasty in their actions. The professional advice should be gender reassignment should not be undertaken (save in rare genetic cases,) prior to the individual being 15/16 such they may make their own informed choice. It's signal the number of cases where the child's supposed predilection is actually heavily influenced by the parents. But there's no way that Organisation would ever go public promoting that view knowing the heavily politicised 'genderists' would make their lives hell (they've already had pickets at their gates screaming all sorts at kids and families going in for therapy.) Or a bloke I went to Uni with, once described 'Britain's most racist professor', who in reality is somewhere more hippy and liberal than Neil from The Young Ones. He was cancelled in academic circles and by his students for research relating to climate and intelligence (in which intelligence was a measure of adaptablity, not ethnic superiority.) His findings were well presented, made interesting reading for all sorts of practical reasons, but were jumped upon by those who sought to promote a simplistic racial take on the findings. Killed his specialism stone dead to the disbenefit of promoting education programmes across the globe. But Tzipi wasn't cancelled was she? I thought LSE allowed her lecture to go ahead, made sure it was successful, and there were protests outside. And our Home Secretary has backed a police investigation INTO the protest against her. So she has state backing. Is that cancelled...? Were the others (Rowling? Trevor Philips?) cancelled, or just had people loudly disagree with them / protest? No cancelling that I can see anywhere there. Unless Trevor Philips, currently presenting a weekly talk show on Sky News, is also cancelled..? How is the data on your second point unequivocal if it's all hidden? Surely studies are being done and published. The NHS don't allow gender reassignment until 18 as far as I know. So that seems to line up with what you're saying is actually "cancelable"? Your story doesn't add up at all. The second part I'd need more information to draw any kind of conclusion. Edited November 11, 2021 by IAmNick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Skirts all round, at least that will put pay to sweaty balls, got to be more hygienic right all that airflow? Though one of my co-workers lost the plot at flipflops in the office so not sure how a skirt will go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 16:15, Oh Louie louie said: When i first started work, the towns talk had a nasty nickname on a thursday night. Yanleigh lane was like the garden of eden What happened/happens there then? Asking for a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 11:04, Super said: Fashion has changed a lot since my day! That was a really challenging w@nk 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 11:36, 2015 said: It's more the fact it is giving a false image of the modern Man. If he wants to wear it, crack on, but it is being pushed quite hard recently (Harry Styles, James Maddison come to mind). Is it? Is that the purpose? It’s a fashion magazine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 11:43, And Its Smith said: What is ‘the modern man’ then? What is being ‘pushed’ in schools? Encouraging boys to wear skirts? Not seen that. It’s a pair of shorts not a skirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 11:45, 2015 said: Not wearing what is being pushed by that image that's for sure. Pretty sure you'll see most around you at Ashton Gate on matchdays, Football is often representative of society, a mix of people, but you would find it hard pushed to see a Man wearing what DCL is wearing. I don’t see many people in a suit at football tbf, certainly not in the stands On 10/11/2021 at 11:59, TheReds said: Happened in a primary school in Scotland, asked boys to wear a skirt for the day for inclusivity and equality (I mean that's what really promotes equality and they couldn't have done anything else). There seems to be a whole agenda pushing gender identity on young kids who just don't need to know about it at that age. It was a primary school, kids should be left alone to be kids rather than confusing them with all of this gender nonsense pushed on them. Why can they not be left alone to be kids and pretend to be whatever they want to be for the day, and as they grow up they then choose who or what they want to be? It’s a pair of shorts I believe so this isn’t relevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, MarcusX said: It’s a pair of shorts not a skirt Yes this point has already been made in this thread. Maybe it’s slight comfort for some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebounder Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Why are people bringing up gender, cancel culture and Trans Issues when this is simply someone modeling fashion on the front page of a cover? It's like they have an agenda or something. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Rebounder said: Why are people bringing up gender, cancel culture and Trans Issues when this is simply someone modeling fashion on the front page of a cover? It's like they have an agenda or something. Been confirmed there are no agendas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said: Been confirmed there are no agendas. Nice one mate cheers, really appreciate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCbrs Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Famous people wear what I consider pretty ridiculous outfits all the time, for me it’s that fact that it looks like a Japanese anime school girl outfit… isn’t that just a bit weird, from a couple of angles? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Coxy27 said: Nice one mate cheers, really appreciate that. Don’t thank me, thank @BTRFTG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Oh Louie louie Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Id forget the skirt shorts issue. I cant really see the white socks, primary school issue school shoes look taking off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Too all the fashion fans here. What a great time of the year to advertise shorts. I wondering why he didnt go for this look before the world cup? White socks fashion, whatever next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Sorry meant the euros! Can you see that cheilinni the italian defender dressing like this? Of course not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: Sorry meant the euros! Can you see that cheilinni the italian defender dressing like this? Of course not. So? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebounder Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said: Too all the fashion fans here. What a great time of the year to advertise shorts. I wondering why he didnt go for this look before the world cup? White socks fashion, whatever next. White socks are very much in fashion at the moment I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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