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26 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Shades of 82 tonight. Young lads playing their hearts out. Roared on by the crowd. 

Loved it. More of the same please Nige. 

Going back a bit further and Scott and Benarous are reminding me of the way that Gow and Tainton were such a big influence in the 1970's.

They'll make mistakes but they will get more right than wrong.

And a big thanks to all the others this evening with a special mention for Chris Martin who worked so hard and was still pressing til the end.

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2 hours ago, Globe Trotter said:

Fantastic performance both. I genuinely think their courage and fearlessness in the midst of the battering we were getting at the start helped them more senior players grow in confidence.

100% effort and plenty of skill , Top job! 

I'm sure you feel the same as me, with both of those plus HNM  and Joe Williams and Semenyo this club is only going one way and it ain't to league one, for the first time in a long time I'm actually optimistic that we could have a team we can all be proud of, we have waited long enough but after tonight the wait looks like it might have been worth it.     

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34 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Going back a bit further and Scott and Benarous are reminding me of the way that Gow and Tainton were such a big influence in the 1970's.

They'll make mistakes but they will get more right than wrong.

And a big thanks to all the others this evening with a special mention for Chris Martin who worked so hard and was still pressing til the end.

Thought he got better in the last 20+9 minutes.

25 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Plus Alex Scott’s corners and free kicks Han Solo Ok GIF

Matty James isn’t getting back on them is he?

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3 hours ago, Henry said:

That’s why Palmer can’t make the 18.

This is opinion. It's also The Truth. Hallelujah, brother.

Benarous is half Algerian = he's our very own Zidane! If he's this good after 2 games, well who  knows ...  

He's virtually our best player already which is both sad and amazing at the same time.

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4 hours ago, Simon79 said:

Both played well. But Benarous in particular impresses me. A real swagger, a confidence in his ability on the ball, happy to hand out some stick, ball manipulation in tight areas, has time on the ball & knows how to draw a foul when we needed a breather. Really impressed & I have high hopes for him in particular. COYR 

Think Benarous might just be The Kiddie. Has half a yard of pace which makes him better than Scott imo.

Scott ain't bad himself mind, he's just not a wing back - or Jack Grealish, so stop with that obsession ffs young man. Try modelling yerself on Trevor Tainton instead - neat and tidy, 400+ games, no daft haircut or alice band required.

The future's bright, the future's Eamonn Belarus. Until we sell him.

In the summer, probably.  

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5 hours ago, David Brent said:

Nothing better than seeing Academy lads in the first team. Thanks, Nige.

Yep big statement from Nige tonight keeping an unchanged team- Scott and Benarous in particular would have taken so much confidence from that, knowing that their manager trusts and has faith in them.

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8 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Anyone else think the club has uncovered the next 2 assets that can be sold for big money to reinvest in the team?

Hope they both stay for a long time and we can build around them. Also what a boost it must be to the other youngsters.

I think we need to build around them. Hopefully the “player trading” philosophy that SL and MA were so fond of, has been tweaked somewhat so we are actually able to progress. It just needs better application and more forethought

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3 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I think we need to build around them. Hopefully the “player trading” philosophy that SL and MA were so fond of, has been tweaked somewhat so we are actually able to progress. It just needs better application and more forethought

Agreed. Appreciate most of the time the decision is in the player (and agents) hands but hopefully we can keep hold of then both for years to come.

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7 minutes ago, samo II said:

I’m up for us blooding as many youngsters as possible.

So many of the senior pros have been so disappointing, they couldn’t be worse.

Delighted to see some of them showing up and showing out - more please.

It's about balance. Put too many in and all of a sudden you are very lightweight in a bloody tough league. Couldn't agree more on the Senior pro's, there are still one or two shithouses in the building that need moving on, we just need to be careful that we don't "overdo" it with youngsters.

That said, these young 'uns give us something to get behind.

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39 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Anyone else think the club has uncovered the next 2 assets that can be sold for big money to reinvest in the team?

Hope they both stay for a long time and we can build around them. Also what a boost it must be to the other youngsters.

Probably but they both are young enough to get 2-3 years of championship experience to develop. So as others have said, need to build around that over the next few windows. 
 

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Pleased to see us taking a chance with youth, both home grown and imported (Tanner)

19 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Just hope they both have agents that don't suddenly start seeing £ signs.

If they do, let's hope we get compensated by the transfer fee (and sell-on)

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2 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

Probably but they both are young enough to get 2-3 years of championship experience to develop. So as others have said, need to build around that over the next few windows. 
 

The key is to develop the club quickly enough to match their ambitions.  It cost us Kelly, Brownhill, Reid, Bryan to a large extent.  Of course, when PL come calling it’s virtually impossible to turn it down.  But I think had we got play offs in one of those seasons we maybe keep one of them?

2 hours ago, DT The Optimist said:

Not sure been mentioned, but listening to Gary Owers on way to game, and general comments here, where is Scott’s best position.  
while he was rather decent last night at WB where do we see his best position in the   longer term .  

Central midfield somewhere.  He could play alongside Williams at some point, no probs at all.

51 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

Scott good going forward, needs to work on his defending. Benarous great attitude, got a nasty streak which i like. Will get a lot of yellows and a few reds over the next year or so. With Han and Rob the future looks bright,

I thought his (Scott) defending was bloody excellent last night.  He’s sharp, can get tight and uses body pretty well.

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

The key is to develop the club quickly enough to match their ambitions.  It cost us Kelly, Brownhill, Reid, Bryan to a large extent.  Of course, when PL come calling it’s virtually impossible to turn it down.  But I think had we got play offs in one of those seasons we maybe keep one of them?

Central midfield somewhere.  He could play alongside Williams at some point, no probs at all.

I thought his (Scott) defending was bloody excellent last night.  He’s sharp, can get tight and uses body pretty well.

Bottom paragraph of this post… 100%!

Only one moment where the Stoke player kicked it through his legs to whip a ball, Fletcher hits the bar. But I thought he was excellent defensively overall.

I was pleasantly surprised.

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7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I thought his (Scott) defending was bloody excellent last night.  He’s sharp, can get tight and uses body pretty well.

Entirely agree his body positioning against Tymon was spot on (standing him up and making him look sideways or back (apart from the one time he was nutmegged).  I would prefer him in centre mid but has done an excellent job as a WB.

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12 hours ago, Globe Trotter said:

Fantastic performance both. I genuinely think their courage and fearlessness in the midst of the battering we were getting at the start helped them more senior players grow in confidence.

100% effort and plenty of skill , Top job! 

It comes to something, when we are relying on two 18 year olds to save our season?  They are 2 fantastic young men, who I hope are not flogged to death, but nutured and protected, until they are both superstars?

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40 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

The key is to develop the club quickly enough to match their ambitions.  It cost us Kelly, Brownhill, Reid, Bryan to a large extent.  Of course, when PL come calling it’s virtually impossible to turn it down.  But I think had we got play offs in one of those seasons we maybe keep one of them?

Central midfield somewhere.  He could play alongside Williams at some point, no probs at all.

I thought his (Scott) defending was bloody excellent last night.  He’s sharp, can get tight and uses body pretty well.

Yep......as I am sure you know, Scott plays central midfield for England U-19's.  Where he runs things from the middle and organises the free kicks.  That is hopefully where he will end up, once we have a settled quality left sided wing back ?

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52 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Bottom paragraph of this post… 100%!

Only one moment where the Stoke player kicked it through his legs to whip a ball, Fletcher hits the bar. But I thought he was excellent defensively overall.

I was pleasantly surprised.

Yep, bound to get the odd occasion where you get done by a bit of skill.

46 minutes ago, Nuno Gomes said:

Entirely agree his body positioning against Tymon was spot on (standing him up and making him look sideways or back (apart from the one time he was nutmegged).  I would prefer him in centre mid but has done an excellent job as a WB.

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I thought I’d clip some screenshots of where it is easy to suggest Scott out of position.

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There’d been a sequence of ping-pong before Tymon got the ball under pressure on the h-w line from Scott.  He laid it off to Vrancic, and ideally Scott would’ve stayed with Tymon.  But that would’ve left acres for Vrancic to stroll into, so Scott tries to do a bit of both, whilst looking to Vyner to “maybe” track Tymon for him.  Vyner isn’t marking anyone….

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….neither is Kalas, but he’s the spare man, so fair enough.  Baker marking (to an extent) Fletcher.

Vyner needs to help Scott out here.

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3 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Benarous has that great quality that is lacking in so many of our players: he's hard to get the ball off of.

Also seems to have a bit of attitude about him. When that Stoke player went right through him near the end and couldn't care less that he picked up a yellow you just know that was for a reason!! He's small, carries the ball in tight spaces and has that ability to shield it so you almost have to foul him.

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2 hours ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Yep good upper body strength for his age and good balance. He was one of the main reasons we saw the game out. He won quite a few free kicks late on to run the clock down. 

Yep, easiest way to manage the game is to have the ball at your feet, not whack it back to their Centre Halves to come at us again. That was a massive improvement on Saturday's second half and why we looked far more comfortable with the 1-0 lead.

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1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

Also seems to have a bit of attitude about him. When that Stoke player went right through him near the end and couldn't care less that he picked up a yellow you just know that was for a reason!! He's small, carries the ball in tight spaces and has that ability to shield it so you almost have to foul him.

 

Agreed. Basically, he's a pleasure to watch. 

Providing he keeps focussed, this lad is going to be some player as he gains experience. Actually, scrub that, he's some player now, he could develop to be one hell of a player!

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2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Also seems to have a bit of attitude about him. When that Stoke player went right through him near the end and couldn't care less that he picked up a yellow you just know that was for a reason!! He's small, carries the ball in tight spaces and has that ability to shield it so you almost have to foul him.

I can’t believe how quickly 1) his game has developed from watching his u23s last season and this season and 2) in two and bit senior appearances in a few weeks.

Its only relatively recently he’s been training with the first team group on a daily basis, so he must be a quick learner, but also able to put that into practice.

I had reservations about how ready he was when Nige was saying things like “Ayman is ready, if he gets his chance, he will take some shifting”.  Thought it was pretty bullish, and he will undoubtedly have the usual plateau that happens with all young players, but it’s a mighty impressive start.

The big thing both Ayman and Alex have in their favour is being able to use both feet, when passing and controlling the ball, but also being to go off either foot.  Those of you that have coached kids (I haven’t) know the importance of developing this.  Opposition players will soon cotton on to which way a player dribbles….and set them up.

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6 hours ago, DT The Optimist said:

Not sure been mentioned, but listening to Gary Owers on way to game, and general comments here, where is Scott’s best position.  
while he was rather decent last night at WB where do we see his best position in the   longer term .  

An interesting question.  I would think Pearson will be looking at both of them as potential No 10s.  We’ve  seen lots of tenacity from both of them, but neither has yet had the chance to show us the full range of their skills going forward.  On the evidence of the U23s AB looks more of a goal scorer than AS.  I also think AB is a better tackler and could play deep midfield.  It goes without saying that both have big futures in front of them.  Let’s hope that’s with Bristol City and the two of them can be persuaded to stay for the long term.

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4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The key is to develop the club quickly enough to match their ambitions.  It cost us Kelly, Brownhill, Reid, Bryan to a large extent.  Of course, when PL come calling it’s virtually impossible to turn it down.  But I think had we got play offs in one of those seasons we maybe keep one of them?

Central midfield somewhere.  He could play alongside Williams at some point, no probs at all.

I thought his (Scott) defending was bloody excellent last night.  He’s sharp, can get tight and uses body pretty well.

I don’t think impossible to turn down. Obviously we have gotten really good deals for those you mentioned and if we get similar for our younger now then fair enough.
 

I do think younger players are a bit smarter or managed better now though. You see a lot more young english players going abroad to get minutes. Even Massengo to us to get more minutes. I think minutes are much more valuable than money early in the career now. Players are getting good minutes in the championship now up to about 21 and then they are making premier league moves. 
 

Anyway was bit of a ramble. We do need to build a successful side to keep them but that goes for all our best players. That is how I am basing it when I say we can keep them for 2-3 years. That we go from what we are this season to hopefully top half/playoff push to promotion contenders(playoffs). I am just saying championship is more than good enough to develop in into your early 20s. 

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12 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

That is how I am basing it when I say we can keep them for 2-3 years. That we go from what we are this season to hopefully top half/playoff push to promotion contenders(playoffs). I am just saying championship is more than good enough to develop in into your early 20s. 

Totally agree…the point I’m making is that if in 3 seasons time they are playing great, attracting tonnes of interest, and we are on an annual relegation fight (not that I think we will be) then it’s an easy decision to move.  That is why I think we have to grow with them.  As you say no immediate rush, they aren’t gonna be off in the summer (imho).

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I’m delighted that the youngsters seem to be working  out so well. Benarous and Scot both played a significant part in last nights win. 
There are the likes of Semenyo, Pring and Conway all waiting in the production line - when they’re all fit of course,

Its been SLs long ambition to have a squad capable of reaching the PL made up with a mixture of experience and youth and it’s starting to look that Nige is on the right path to achieve that.

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15 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

Going back a bit further and Scott and Benarous are reminding me of the way that Gow and Tainton were such a big influence in the 1970's.

They'll make mistakes but they will get more right than wrong.

And a big thanks to all the others this evening with a special mention for Chris Martin who worked so hard and was still pressing til the end.

 

15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Thought he got better in the last 20+9 minutes.

Matty James isn’t getting back on them is he?

I'm pretty sure Martin, who had a good game, could barely walk in injury time! 

He was closing down in spirit more than body at the end.

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30 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Can you remember what happened after that? Was it the Baker header clear or did they miss a chance?

HNM jumps under the ball, it bounced off the striker back to Bents.

 

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Totally agree…the point I’m making is that if in 3 seasons time they are playing great, attracting tonnes of interest, and we are on an annual relegation fight (not that I think we will be) then it’s an easy decision to move.  That is why I think we have to grow with them.  As you say no immediate rush, they aren’t gonna be off in the summer (imho).

I said on a chat about us selling players that we have to get a group together at the right time. If we can keep and improve this group, add a couple, then maybe ......

Masengo, Atkinso, Tanner, Scott, Benarous, Semenyo, Bakinson, Pring, Williams, OLeary, Cundy, Conway. That's a decent list of young talented players. If we could keep these for maybe 18 months 2 years, add some quality experience, then who knows. 
 

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19 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Incredible.

I said bring off Benarous on about 70. Haha how wrong was I!

Benarous and Scott looked our most calm, experienced players at the end. They got better and better the longer they were on the pitch.

In the last 10-20 they only smashed it long if there was no other way of playing football. The first thought was not to panic.

I would imagine the unsung development coaches should take a lot of credit for that.

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10 hours ago, DT The Optimist said:

Not sure been mentioned, but listening to Gary Owers on way to game, and general comments here, where is Scott’s best position.  
while he was rather decent last night at WB where do we see his best position in the   longer term .  

A role in central midfield or as a 10, he's been played wide before but he's best in the middle

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The thing that i've enjoyed most about Bennarous is his imputance.

He loves winding up opposition players, and drawing the fouls. The second yellow card for Allen being a case in point. Whilst putting himself around, and not allowing other to boss him.

I really believed that Scott and Benerous would blow up Pring style in the second half due to their two games in 4 days; and the amount of work that were having to do. However in some ways they grew stronger in the last 15-20 mins. Really impressive.

It says alot about the squad though that it takes an 18 & 19 year old to lead by example over determination, and shear will power.

A big shout out to Scott as well. When he was subbed after 30 mins, and dropped from the squad. He could have moaned, and gone backwards.

He seems to have done the opposite though, and come back stronger and more determined to make the right impression. It says alot about the imbalance in the squad at the moment. That alongside COD he is being asked to do defensive duties that aren't second nature to him.

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22 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

I don’t think impossible to turn down. Obviously we have gotten really good deals for those you mentioned and if we get similar for our younger now then fair enough.
 

I do think younger players are a bit smarter or managed better now though. You see a lot more young english players going abroad to get minutes. Even Massengo to us to get more minutes. I think minutes are much more valuable than money early in the career now. Players are getting good minutes in the championship now up to about 21 and then they are making premier league moves. 
 

Anyway was bit of a ramble. We do need to build a successful side to keep them but that goes for all our best players. That is how I am basing it when I say we can keep them for 2-3 years. That we go from what we are this season to hopefully top half/playoff push to promotion contenders(playoffs). I am just saying championship is more than good enough to develop in into your early 20s. 

Nige on point!

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22 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

I said on a chat about us selling players that we have to get a group together at the right time. If we can keep and improve this group, add a couple, then maybe ......

Masengo, Atkinso, Tanner, Scott, Benarous, Semenyo, Bakinson, Pring, Williams, OLeary, Cundy, Conway. That's a decent list of young talented players. If we could keep these for maybe 18 months 2 years, add some quality experience, then who knows. 
 

Additionally, DaSilva though not academy based, is only 23 I believe- or has that ship sailed for now?

Bentley, Kalas, James, Weimann are all of a relevant age to keep for a few more years IMO- arguably outfield players hit peak years around late 20's- that forms a part of the spine. Goalkeepers can play at a high level until mid to late 30's traditionally, some they can peak around 30. Baker also 30 IIRC? Martin I like but he's 32 isn't he? How many more years etc?

Towler and Bell, will be interesting to see how they do at Grimsby and in subsequent development loans if they are required. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Nige on point!

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Shame he didn't finish with,

"speaking of assets, I'm pleased to announce that Han-Noah has signed a four year extension to his current deal which really shows the ambition of the club and the faith that the lad has in us."

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3 hours ago, mozo said:

Shame he didn't finish with,

"speaking of assets, I'm pleased to announce that Han-Noah has signed a four year extension to his current deal which really shows the ambition of the club and the faith that the lad has in us."

That’s next week.

(I just made that up)

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

That’s next week.

(I just made that up)

 

2 hours ago, billywedlock said:

Next week . You need to trust that Nige has a plan . It’s exciting 

You can't both say next week and expect me to not get my hopes up!

Merde.

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4 minutes ago, mozo said:

 

You can't both say next week and expect me to not get my hopes up!

Merde.

Is this the point I use the ? emoji!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, I have no idea….although Richard Gould did at least mention Han the other week.

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On 24/11/2021 at 23:35, glynriley said:

Shades of 82 tonight. Young lads playing their hearts out. Roared on by the crowd. 

Loved it. More of the same please Nige. 

We have some very promising talent, Benarous, Scott, Bakinson, Tanner, Atkinson, Massengo. Slowly green shoots are shining through after years of waste. 

Folks need to remember these players may blow hot and cold due to their inexperience at this level but a solid season behind them we will have a good foundation to move this squad forward.

Just need a bit of patience when they struggle a little and would welcome similar signings in January, young hungry talent over the likes of Palmer and Wells. 

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