Nigel hints at shirkers in the club, but who ?

[Major Isewater]

Interesting end to his interview saying that certain players need to play through injury niggles but certain lack ‘ moral fibre’ to do so.

Who is shirking?

 

[Bat Fastard]

14 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Interesting end to his interview saying that certain players need to play through injury niggles but certain lack ‘ moral fibre’ to do so.

Who is shirking?

 

An awful lot of fans are shirking and setting a bad example to the players!

[RumRed]

Just now, Bat Fastard said:

An awful lot of fans are shirking and setting a bad example to the players!

Last time I checked my bank account I must have missed the wage packet from BCFC.

[BCFC Grim]

2 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

An awful lot of fans are shirking and setting a bad example to the players!

With out doubt the biggest load of shit I've read on here. And that takes some doing.

[Pezo]

4 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

An awful lot of fans are shirking and setting a bad example to the players!

In what way?

[Simon79]

18 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Interesting end to his interview saying that certain players need to play through injury niggles but certain lack ‘ moral fibre’ to do so.

Who is shirking?

 

I took it differently, for me he said that if you are not in form & are picked, it will be a test of your moral fibre. Because that’s where we are, as in, we haven’t got many options. On a slightly different note, do we think these comments are helpful? Like the ‘ luxury players’ comments? Does it add to the uncertainty, the whispers, the theories? Seem to remember a lot on here not liking previous managers ‘ throwing people under the bus’, yet like Nige for his honesty! Just a thought. COYR 

 

 

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Amazing! Players who don't want to cripple themselves playing injured are accused of 'lacking' 

It seems the manager has lost it if he wants to play ' damaged goods' because he's fallen out with everyone else

Astounding thing to say, he must go. 

That’s not what he meant at all. Plenty on here have played the game and done a job for their Manager at 90% fitness and not only doing it for the Manager but because the shirt means something. He’s obviously talking about players with minor niggles not hamstring tears or twisted ankles. Straightforward enough to understand where he’s coming from.

[tin]

Well, the biggest shirker today got a one-year extension to his contract a few days ago. 

[Pezo]

4 minutes ago, Simon79 said:

Seem to remember a lot on here not liking previous managers ‘ throwing people under the bus’, yet like Nige for his honesty! Just a thought. COYR 

He hasn't called out anyone by name it's just become obvious who they are.

Previous managers called individuals out.

[Pezo]

2 minutes ago, tin said:

Well, the biggest shirker today got a one-year extension to his contract a few days ago. 

And he made it into the starting team, imagine how much of a shirker you have to be to not make it into the squad.

[Bris Red]

23 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

An awful lot of fans are shirking and setting a bad example to the players!

What a load of absolute bullshit.
The players staff and the club as a whole are lucky they still have any paying fans still coming to support them!!

[Dullmoan Tone]

Surely referring to JD?

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, Pezo said:

He hasn't called out anyone by name it's just become obvious who they are.

Previous managers called individuals out.

Yes, big difference….plus he’s told those players himself away from the media.  He hasn’t called them out to protect / deflect from himself in a media interview has he.

[TDarwall]

Am pretty sure he didn't mean injuries at all. He meant players out of form, including those that might not be here for the long run may be needed as we've a small squad & have been hit by injuries. I'm 100% sure he didn't mean players having to play despite not being fully fit.

[Simon79]

8 minutes ago, Pezo said:

He hasn't called out anyone by name it's just become obvious who they are.

Previous managers called individuals out.

Called people out or commented on bleeding obvious mistakes/performances? Is it not worse to create this ‘ is it him or is it him ‘ nonsense we are currently experiencing? What is the difference if as you say ‘ it’s just become obvious who they are ‘, rather than just saying it. COYR 

[Roger Red Hat]

13 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

He literally bit his lip at that point and went in to unintelligible waffle. 

Seriously lost the plot tbh. 

Hi Ralph.

[bcfc01]

30 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Amazing! Players who don't want to cripple themselves playing injured are accused of 'lacking' 

It seems the manager has lost it if he wants to play ' damaged goods' because he's fallen out with everyone else

Astounding thing to say, he must go. 

If that is what he said, then maybe so.

But he didn't did he.

 

[Roger Red Hat]

3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

If that is what he said, then maybe so.

But he didn't did he.

 

Ralph has had an agenda re NP for some time.

[robin_unreliant]

I'm struggling to work out who he could be referring to there. Who is there with niggling injuries not available?

All those out, we have been told, have genuine issues. Most of them are 'his' players aren't they? Is it a suggestion they are on the pitch and only going through the motions? That would make more sense I suppose. 

[Pezo]

5 minutes ago, Simon79 said:

Called people out or commented on bleeding obvious mistakes/performances? Is it not worse to create this ‘ is it him or is it him ‘ nonsense we are currently experiencing? What is the difference if as you say ‘ it’s just become obvious who they are ‘, rather than just saying it. COYR 

I think it's the most gentle way he can be critical/address what we have all seen.

if he didn't call it out he would basically be saying everything is ok - which it is clearly not.

[pongo88]

It would be very interesting to be a spy at training to see what certain players do, or don’t do. Players, such as Palmer and Dasilva, are obviously out of favour for a reason.  With Palmer I can understand this, to a degree, as he’s had chances and hasn’t taken them but when things are as bad as some of the recent games he must be really on the naughty step to not even make the bench.  
 

Nigel has the hard man manager image, which works given time when he can bring in his own players, but perhaps he could do something to bring the outcasts back into the fold? 

[Simon79]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, big difference….plus he’s told those players himself away from the media.  He hasn’t called them out to protect / deflect from himself in a media interview has he.

But he has said in the media that he has told these players. Why do you think he made that comment to the media? If it’s obvious who he was talking about, which it seemingly is, is that any different to calling them out? Is it not worse for the collective? Does his comments about ‘ players not doing what we have worked on ‘ deflect from himself? Would these comments of been picked up on a lot quicker if they were said by another manager? COYR 

[Pezo]

1 minute ago, pongo88 said:

It would be very interesting to be a spy at training to see what certain players do, or don’t do. Players, such as Palmer and Dasilva, are obviously out of favour for a reason.  With Palmer I can understand this, to a degree, as he’s had chances and hasn’t taken them but when things are as bad as some of the recent games he must be really on the naughty step to not even make the bench.  
 

Nigel has the hard man manager image, which works given time when he can bring in his own players, but perhaps he could do something to bring the outcasts back into the fold? 

The outcasts can bring themselves back into the fold by doing what they are told/asked to do, he said the other day that there are always ways back.

[REDOXO]

City have a long and storied history of shirkers, drinkers, womanizers, smokers and general ‘footballers’

Pearson referred to it months ago regarding opposing players wanting to come here to play as we were generally thought of as a soft touch. 

You will never convince me that over the years we have not had many many players who have come here as a retirement option or in one or two cases a mid career break.  
 

The fact we are back here again is completely unsurprising in view of the dross signed by certain people who shall remain nameless, as it appears to upset some. We are having a wholesale clear out of players that begun with those out of contract, many of whom had nothing to do because LJ, OH dear I said it, bought and bought players simultaneously spunking the clubs money, no not Lansdowns the clubs.

The club is now being rebuilt around our own academy and young options from the lower leagues. These are just realities  

My only comments would be, we looked better with Semenyo on the pitch and if you are going with him then I would play Wells. 
 

We almost had to play Massengo who is weak, no matter what anyone says, with Bakinson, who is improving, but what a terrible midfield that is! 
 

We are stuffed in the middle of a mini league until players gain more experience, a few come back or we bring a couple  in. However bringing in players is a function of transfer business out! Our saleable assets are slim pickings  

 

 

[Fordy62]

29 minutes ago, Pezo said:

And he made it into the starting team, imagine how much of a shirker you have to be to not make it into the squad.

Good point. I suppose in these days of statistical analysis, there’s probably data to show how far they’ve run in training or what their maximum heart rate was. Kasey Palmer must be enjoying his 20k quite a lot. 

[JoeAman08]

I am really tired of his excuses. To me he is latching onto the not his squad thing far too much. When in reality he just doesn’t have it anymore. He is an average manager who’s tactics and man management are outdated. The longer we persist the closer to relegation we will get.

None of his signings have made us better. Continuously burning out certain players(Williams, Weimann, Martin, Baker, James). His mate Dave Rennie has injuries piling up at a similar rate considering we trimmed the squad by 10. We killed previous head coaches/managers for this. The experiment is failing and keeping him around is only going to compound things. 
 

And just because I feel this way doesn’t mean I think the squad is blameless. There is truth in what NP says but he should still be able to organise and get more fight from who he has out there. I don’t feel the squad has any belief. It is a real concern for the long term imo. 

[tin]

33 minutes ago, Pezo said:

And he made it into the starting team, imagine how much of a shirker you have to be to not make it into the squad.

More out of the cupboard being bare, rather than on merit. He’s fifth-choice CM, and played like it today.

[Pezo]

3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Good point. I suppose in these days of statistical analysis, there’s probably data to show how far they’ve run in training or what their maximum heart rate was. Kasey Palmer must be enjoying his 20k quite a lot. 

He's probably not running 20k for his £20k.

[Mr Popodopolous]

13 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

It would be very interesting to be a spy at training to see what certain players do, or don’t do. Players, such as Palmer and Dasilva, are obviously out of favour for a reason.  With Palmer I can understand this, to a degree, as he’s had chances and hasn’t taken them but when things are as bad as some of the recent games he must be really on the naughty step to not even make the bench.  
 

Nigel has the hard man manager image, which works given time when he can bring in his own players, but perhaps he could do something to bring the outcasts back into the fold? 

Watching back- can't recall if it was pre match press conference or post match press conference but he said that there is always a second chance- but that they need to take that chance- so I think there is a bit of carrot there for those who buy in, who really want it who might be out of favour atm.

[Waconda]

4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Good point. I suppose in these days of statistical analysis, there’s probably data to show how far they’ve run in training or what their maximum heart rate was. Kasey Palmer must be enjoying his 20k quite a lot. 

Palmer got offered a contract and signed it, turns up for work every day, trains with the others and is not selected to play, scores the equaliser versus Fulham when he does come on. Offers to and does play for the U23s to help get match sharp.

The manager is choosing not use this £20 grand a week asset, that is his choice and he has his reasons but unless there are disciplinary issues involved then lets not have bleating of players enjoying their wages. I expect KP is disheartened, upset and annoyed at not getting a game. Just my opinion.

[Supersonic Robin]

6 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Palmer got offered a contract and signed it, turns up for work every day, trains with the others and is not selected to play, scores the equaliser versus Fulham when he does come on. Offers to and does play for the U23s to help get match sharp.

The manager is choosing not use this £20 grand a week asset, that is his choice and he has his reasons but unless there are disciplinary issues involved then lets not have bleating of players enjoying their wages. I expect KP is disheartened, upset and annoyed at not getting a game. Just my opinion.

It's fair to point out that it isn't Kasey Palmer's fault that he's on a massive wage here (it's Mark Ashton's fault).

However, I have zero sympathy for him not getting game time. It's clear that he's the issue - similar things have happened with almost every manager Palmer has played under. If he's disheartened, upset or annoyed, then it's time for him to finally take responsibility and at least attempt to address the issues that multiple managers have surely made clear to him. 

[maxjak]

1 hour ago, Bat Fastard said:

An awful lot of fans are shirking and setting a bad example to the players!

Yeah those lazy good for nothing 665 who had the gall to travel to Sheffield on a cold windy Sunday morning......... should be setting more of an example to our poor underpaid squad?  Damn Right

[Waconda]

3 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

It's fair to point out that it isn't Kasey Palmer's fault that he's on a massive wage here (it's Mark Ashton's fault).

However, I have zero sympathy for him not getting game time. It's clear that he's the issue - similar things have happened with almost every manager Palmer has played under. If he's disheartened, upset or annoyed, then it's time for him to finally take responsibility and at least attempt to address the issues that multiple managers have surely made clear to him. 

That's fine, don't play him and don't bleat about his wages is all I would say.

I think many forget the clamour on this site for instance from fans for us to sign KP, embarrassing at times.

 

[Redrascal2]

51 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

It would be very interesting to be a spy at training to see what certain players do, or don’t do. Players, such as Palmer and Dasilva, are obviously out of favour for a reason.  With Palmer I can understand this, to a degree, as he’s had chances and hasn’t taken them but when things are as bad as some of the recent games he must be really on the naughty step to not even make the bench.  
 

Nigel has the hard man manager image, which works given time when he can bring in his own players, but perhaps he could do something to bring the outcasts back into the fold? 

He had a hard man image. But in reality he seems  a soft touch. Can you imagine some of the players who bottled it  today going in to see Joe Jordan after playing like that. It seems the players have no concerns about Pearson or his reaction when they put no effort or commitment in to a game.

[pongo88]

Palmer has had a few mentions, including from me, about his effort and salary but perhaps it’s not his fault. It might be just that he’s a good League 1 player who has the odd flashes of brilliance. These bit of brilliance bamboozle  managers and scouts who offer him lucrative contracts. It’s not his fault he signs on the dotted line. I would if someone offered me £20 k per week 

[Fordy62]

Twice now I’ve misread the title as ‘strikers’, question still works well though. 

[Waconda]

1 minute ago, Redrascal2 said:

He had a hard man image. But in reality he seems  a soft touch. Can you imagine some of the players who bottled it  today going in to see Joe Jordan after playing like that. It seems the players have no concerns about Pearson or his reaction when they put no effort or commitment in to a game.

Or more worryingly has it worn off and left him with know where to go.

Or perhaps NP is too nice behind the scenes. 

3 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Palmer has had a few mentions, including from me, about his effort and salary but perhaps it’s not his fault. It might be just that he’s a good League 1 player who has the odd flashes of brilliance. These bit of brilliance bamboozle  managers and scouts who offer him lucrative contracts. It’s not his fault he signs on the dotted line. I would if someone offered me £20 k per week 

Quite.

[Roger Red Hat]

50 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Offers to and does play for the U23s

.And did absolutely fk all.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Simon79 said:

But he has said in the media that he has told these players. Why do you think he made that comment to the media? If it’s obvious who he was talking about, which it seemingly is, is that any different to calling them out? Is it not worse for the collective? Does his comments about ‘ players not doing what we have worked on ‘ deflect from himself? Would these comments of been picked up on a lot quicker if they were said by another manager? COYR 

Typically LJ named players in a post-match interview.  That’s what I mean.

2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Interesting end to his interview saying that certain players need to play through injury niggles but certain lack ‘ moral fibre’ to do so.

Who is shirking?

 

Which interview was this?  Didn’t hear it on BBCRB and the club one was more about players being ready.  What was the quote Major?

 

[Major Isewater]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Typically LJ named players in a post-match interview.  That’s what I mean.

Which interview was this?  Didn’t hear it on BBCRB and the club one was more about players being ready.  What was the quote Major?

 

It was on the club post match , right at the very end of the interview he spoke of players not wanting to play when less than a hundred per cent and spoke of ‘ moral fibre’. 
 

[Waconda]

21 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Typically LJ named players in a post-match interview.  That’s what I mean.

Which interview was this?  Didn’t hear it on BBCRB and the club one was more about players being ready.  What was the quote Major?

 

Personally I would rather he did name the players. So would the squad I would think.

Not keen on the "mystery" bad egg(s) approach, not sure how that nurtures a good, positive team spirit.

Could be difficult to gain respect in that scenario.

IMO,

[Davefevs]

15 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

It was on the club post match , right at the very end of the interview he spoke of players not wanting to play when less than a hundred per cent and spoke of ‘ moral fibre’. 
 

Ta, listened twice and missed it…third time I heard it.  Must clean my ears out.

[Gratz260689]

Martin got to be one he has been awful for weeks, with the success we have had out the young lads how Britton so t starting ahead of him is beyond me!! 

[Galley is our king]

2 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Personally I would rather he did name the players. So would the squad I would think.

Not keen on the "mystery" bad egg(s) approach, not sure how that nurtures a good, positive team spirit.

Could be difficult to gain respect in that scenario.

IMO,

I'm sure they all know.

It's difficult enough moving players on without advertising the fact they have no fight in them.

Makes it more difficult for the player you want to move, move.

[Waconda]

4 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

I'm sure they all know.

It's difficult enough moving players on without advertising the fact they have no fight in them.

Makes it more difficult for the player you want to move, move.

that is fair.

It still concerns me re team spirit.

[Phileas Fogg]

2 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

He literally bit his lip at that point and went in to unintelligible waffle. 

Seriously lost the plot tbh. 

Just so everyone is aware - I’m 90% sure this is ‘RalphMilnesLeftFoot’ who was staunchly anti-Pearson and seemingly quit the forum a few weeks ago. Not worth replying to.

[Waconda]

2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Just so everyone is aware - I’m 90% sure this is ‘RalphMilnesLeftFoot’ who was staunchly anti-Pearson and seemingly quit the forum a few weeks ago. Not worth replying to.

O.K. thanks.

Be careful of "groupthink" though.

[Waconda]

23 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ta, listened twice and missed it…third time I heard it.  Must clean my ears out.

I actually thought that was his best post match interview yet.

Worrying than he intimated that there are players "refusing" to play with minor injuries or did I misunderstand that bit ?

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

I actually thought that was his best post match interview yet.

Worrying than he intimated that there are players "refusing" to play with minor injuries or did I misunderstand that bit ?

Think it was more about when out of form, but I can’t listen again

[Waconda]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Think it was more about when out of form, but I can’t listen again

"There are players out there who need to be prepared to play even if they are not at their very best" - You could be right

"It is a test of moral fibre".- This feels more of the injury bit.

To be fair it could be either or a mix of both.

Thought it was a decent interview though.

[petehinton]

Getting slightly bored of him saying this sorta stuff after losses tbh.

In the last 3/4 losses it’s been: people on or off the bus…..Downing and Simpson go and then he said retrospectively he also meant coaches. Few weeks later he throws out of nowhere that players aren’t buying into his way, so be will do all he can to get them out the door (but he will still play them….), and now today players need to play through niggles, and also need to adjust to games better when they come on (after being banished from games for no real reason…aka Atkinson). 
 

Needs to focus on getting players to string decent back to back performances together and get them focused to kick a ball in a straight line 5 yards ahead of them, rather than repeatedly throw out cryptic messages in pressers. 

[Waconda]

8 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Getting slightly bored of him saying this sorta stuff after losses tbh.

In the last 3/4 losses it’s been: people on or off the bus…..Downing and Simpson go and then he said retrospectively he also meant coaches. Few weeks later he throws out of nowhere that players aren’t buying into his way, so be will do all he can to get them out the door (but he will still play them….), and now today players need to play through niggles, and also need to adjust to games better when they come on (after being banished from games for no real reason…aka Atkinson). 
 

Needs to focus on getting players to string decent back to back performances together and get them focused to kick a ball in a straight line 5 yards ahead of them, rather than repeatedly throw out cryptic messages in pressers. 

I thought it was good because he didn't bring up the "bus" nonsense (low bar I know) and he did seem genuinely thoughtful.

Possibly spoilt it though with the perhaps cryptic "play through injuries" inference at the end.

But I do have sympathies with much of your comment here.

Am also fairly sure that Simpson and Downing asked to be released from their contracts, I am happy to be corrected.

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by VT05763

[Merrick's Marvels]

41 minutes ago, Gratz260689 said:

Martin got to be one he has been awful for weeks, with the success we have had out the young lads how Britton so t starting ahead of him is beyond me!! 

If you think Martin is a shirker, you're certifiable.

Nothing to do with whether we think he's any good or not, the thread title refers to players not putting 100% in.

As I say, if you think that applies to Martin, you're insane. 

[Waconda]

1 minute ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

If you think Martin is a shirker, you're certifiable.

Nothing to do with whether we think he's any good or not, the thread title refers to players not putting 100% in.

As I say, if you think that applies to Martin, you're insane. 

Certainly not a good judge of what constitutes effort in a footballer.

[glynriley]

37 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Just so everyone is aware - I’m 90% sure this is ‘RalphMilnesLeftFoot’ who was staunchly anti-Pearson and seemingly quit the forum a few weeks ago. Not worth replying to.

[Kid in the Riot]

24 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

"There are players out there who need to be prepared to play even if they are not at their very best" - You could be right

"It is a test of moral fibre".- This feels more of the injury bit.

To be fair it could be either or a mix of both.

Thought it was a decent interview though.

Pearson chooses his words very carefully and I don't see how a test of "moral fibre" refers to playing with an injury. Far more likely he is referring to players that are very likely to be leaving in January/the summer still putting a shift in when needed. 

I remember LJ criticising some of our players for not being committed to playing when only carrying minor knocks.

Allegedly, of course, Marley Watkins was booted out of the club by Pearson in record time for ruling himself out "injured", when he was nothing of the sort. So I assume that particularly issue at Bristol City cosy club has been sorted... 

[GrahamC]

53 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

He did not say anything about playing through injuries. Nothing of the sort. You should have understood by now how they are trying to manage injuries and they will not play anyone who is not deemed fit enough. He was talking about players who are not on form and wanting them to play through that. 

Yep, pretty obvious really & he has said in recent interviews that he knows both Han Noah & Rob Atkinson have been struggling form wise.

Some of the over reaction & jumping to conclusions on here is simply mind boggling.

[Major Isewater]

9 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Yep, pretty obvious really & he has said in recent interviews that he knows both Han Noah & Rob Atkinson have been struggling form wise.

Some of the over reaction & jumping to conclusions on here is simply mind boggling.

Ok,some of us are having to post when we are not at our best but we are prepared to do so, it’s a question  of moral fibre.

[SecretSam]

13 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Amazing! Players who don't want to cripple themselves playing injured are accused of 'lacking' 

It seems the manager has lost it if he wants to play ' damaged goods' because he's fallen out with everyone else

Astounding thing to say, he must go. 

I seem to remember the equally useless Jurgen Klopp aiming the same criticism at Sturridge. Perhaps he should have been sacked, too.

[SecretSam]

11 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Just so everyone is aware - I’m 90% sure this is ‘RalphMilnesLeftFoot’ who was staunchly anti-Pearson and seemingly quit the forum a few weeks ago. Not worth replying to.

look at the screen name: TafkaRMLF" = "The artist formerly known as Ralph Milne's Left Foot" (Prince fans will recognise this trick)

Edited November 29, 2021 by SecretSam
Horrific grammar error

[Bat Fastard]

15 hours ago, Pezo said:

In what way?

You only have to look through this forum to see an awful lot of pretty dispiriting criticism of players and staff.  People seem to be reluctant to weigh current realities and difficulties and it may serve the club and our very young squad rather better if there was more support and less condemnation of everyone from the owner, to the manager, to the players, to the staff and even to youngsters who have just earned contract extensions and lately scored a winning goal. Positive support may well help whereas the negative criticism just cast a pall of doom over everything.

[Harry]

13 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Typically LJ named players in a post-match interview.  That’s what I mean.

 

I think there’s a fair bit of revisionism when it comes to LJ. 
I don’t remember him calling out players after almost every game. In fact, it hardly happened at all. 
I recall Magnússon away at Preston, but that aside I don’t think there were too many more examples. 
 

One thing that often gets overlooked regarding LJ was his handling of the Tomlin situation. Fans were baying for him to be played, and LJ could’ve come out numerous times and called Tomlin out, but he never did. In fact, he kept everything completely ‘in-house’ and by doing so managed to recoup the £3m fee. 
I think that should be remembered and LJ should be looked at very positively in that particular ‘player-issue’ situation. 
 

As other posters have said, I am getting a little tired of Nigel’s comments regarding ‘these players’. The hand has been dealt and he has to play with it. I don’t think these regular disparaging comments (even if they are anon), will be helping the morale - and given Nige is big on instilling a mentally strong dressing room, it really surprises me that he keeps calling this out publically. 

[robin_unreliant]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

I think there’s a fair bit of revisionism when it comes to LJ. 
I don’t remember him calling out players after almost every game. In fact, it hardly happened at all. 
I recall Magnússon away at Preston, but that aside I don’t think there were too many more examples. 
 

I think that may be a case of memory fade over time. He definitely did it with Taylor Moore, along the lines of not being willing to put his head in where it hurts. 

My general impression was he only did it with the youngsters. Not sure if him keeping quiet over Tomlin was due to cleverness or only having the balls to have a dig at the kids who couldn't stand up to him. 

[Harry]

3 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

I think that may be a case of memory fade over time. He definitely did it with Taylor Moore, along the lines of not being willing to put his head in where it hurts. 

My general impression was he only did it with the youngsters. Not sure if him keeping quiet over Tomlin was due to cleverness or only having the balls to have a dig at the kids who couldn't stand up to him. 

It happened rarely. As I said, there was Magnússon and no doubt a couple of other incidents. You rightly raise the Moore one. 
But it didn’t happen as regularly as people want to make out. 
Nigel is calling players out (anon) after every single defeat!!! Personally I don’t mind him saying it once or twice, but it’s every bloody week. It’s getting a little tiresome in my opinion. 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, SecretSam said:

look at the screen name: TafkaRMLF" = "The artist formerly known as Ralph Milne's Left Foot" (Prince fans will recognise this trick)

That’ll be straight on the ignore list then.  Left the forum, with a GDPR bang, and now back.  Not as principled as I thought she was then.  Ah well.

13 minutes ago, Harry said:

I think there’s a fair bit of revisionism when it comes to LJ. 
I don’t remember him calling out players after almost every game. In fact, it hardly happened at all. 
I recall Magnússon away at Preston, but that aside I don’t think there were too many more examples. 
 

One thing that often gets overlooked regarding LJ was his handling of the Tomlin situation. Fans were baying for him to be played, and LJ could’ve come out numerous times and called Tomlin out, but he never did. In fact, he kept everything completely ‘in-house’ and by doing so managed to recoup the £3m fee. 
I think that should be remembered and LJ should be looked at very positively in that particular ‘player-issue’ situation. 
 

As other posters have said, I am getting a little tired of Nigel’s comments regarding ‘these players’. The hand has been dealt and he has to play with it. I don’t think these regular disparaging comments (even if they are anon), will be helping the morale - and given Nige is big on instilling a mentally strong dressing room, it really surprises me that he keeps calling this out publically. 

I didn’t say almost every other game.  I said that when he did call out players it was after heavy / bad defeats as a deflection method.  Taylor Moore was another.

[Harry]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

I didn’t say almost every other game.  I said that when he did call out players it was after heavy / bad defeats as a deflection method.  Taylor Moore was another.

What I meant by the “every other game” was more aimed at Nige. LJ called some players out on a small number of occasions over 4 years. Nige has done it after almost every defeat in 9 months. 

Edited November 29, 2021 by Harry

[Son of Fred]

14 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said:

It's fair to point out that it isn't Kasey Palmer's fault that he's on a massive wage here (it's Mark Ashton's fault).

However, I have zero sympathy for him not getting game time. It's clear that he's the issue - similar things have happened with almost every manager Palmer has played under. If he's disheartened, upset or annoyed, then it's time for him to finally take responsibility and at least attempt to address the issues that multiple managers have surely made clear to him. 

Quite right...he has history of taking the 'easy option.

Needs to get his chin up or his talents will be wasted.

[TonyTonyTony]

2 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Needs to get his chin up or his talents will be wasted.

His talents? A worldie of a pass every 20 games isn't talent. His work rate is no where near enough. Being good at keepy up counts for shit if you cant be arsed to run.

[maxjak]

Headline on Main Site from Nige  "Poor Decisions Cost Us"    ..................Spot on Nige, great that your so self aware?  The very first poor decision happened prior to Kick Off.............with the Line Up you chose?         

[Roger Red Hat]

3 hours ago, SecretSam said:

look at the screen name: TafkaRMLF" = "The artist formerly known as Ralph Milne's Left Foot" (Prince fans will recognise this trick)

I know a guy who is an art restorer, whose first name is Keith, but he didn't like it so he now likes to be known by his middle name of Andrew. So I refer to him as TARFKAK.