Danny Simpson

[Hampshire reds]

can someone explain to me why did the club sign Danny. surely with his experience he should have played RWB yesterday. instead Pearson plays a young lad completely out of position. 

[Northern Red]

Oh for ****'s sake.

[grifty]

2 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

can someone explain to me why did the club sign Danny. surely with his experience he should have played RWB yesterday. instead Pearson plays a young lad completely out of position. 

You've answered your own question 3 words after making it. That's an impressively pointless thread, even for you!

[Harry]

I think the replies to the OP have been harsh so far. 
I know the poster has a poor reputation but that doesn’t mean they sometimes have a good point. 
 

In fact, I was mulling this over last night and was going to start a thread making exactly the same point. 
 

Simpson is fit. He’s been on the bench for the last 3 games where we have played an 18 year old attacking midfielder as a right wing back. 
Whilst I actually think we should be encouraged by Scott’s performances (from a technique and effort point of view), he has been badly caught out a number of times in that position - which you cannot blame Scott for because he is not a wing back. 
 

I’ve found it very odd that Simpson has played only 232 minutes when we’ve been struggling for a regular right sided defender and we’ve ended up sticking an out of position teenager in there instead. I said it at the time and I’ll stand by it - I don’t see the point of this signing. 

Edited November 29, 2021 by Harry

[Hampshire reds]

As i was told by people on here who dont have an opinion or a answer. this is pointless. only joking Harry. i know people think i put crap on here but so what. if people like the idea of a player taking i would imagine 6 to 8k a week for doing nothing then fair enough. 

[DownendRed97]

Simpson isn’t playing because, when he has played he’s looked like his legs have gone and just isn’t up to it any more. Reminds me a bit of Chris Brunt last season. Pearson clearly trusts him to be around the place, however he probably doesn’t want to tarnish his mate’s reputation by playing him every week, for him to get turned inside out by every winger with a little bit of pace. This shouldn’t be the case, but probably Alex Scott at RWB is the best option at the moment, which is laughable really considering we let Jack Hunt go in summer, who is probably the best option we would have right now.

[Super]

In fairness he has a point. Waste of a wage.

[Simon bristol]

Yep, waste of a wage, we need some spirit amongst the squad, but surely someone who can contribute can do this?

[TonyTonyTony]

Pointless signing is about the only conclusion you can draw

[Northern Red]

If Scott at RWB is such a concern, why wait until a defeat to raise it?

[And Its Smith]

40 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

can someone explain to me why did the club sign Danny. surely with his experience he should have played RWB yesterday. instead Pearson plays a young lad completely out of position. 

Cos Pearson wanted him I think 

[WWred]

Christ how many older players have we signed over the last few years to provide that 'experienced head' that have turned out to be ******* useless.. Danny Simpson, Chris Brunt, Gary O'Neil, Jody Morris. It never bloody works for us signing the experienced general type players

[Banjo Island]

Ha jody morris apparentley a chuckle miester around the dressing room but sadly offered sweet fa on the pitch

[Waconda]

15 minutes ago, WWred said:

Christ how many older players have we signed over the last few years to provide that 'experienced head' that have turned out to be ******* useless.. Danny Simpson, Chris Brunt, Gary O'Neil, Jody Morris. It never bloody works for us signing the experienced general type players

fans do love a "name" though.

Same applies to Managers.

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by VT05763

[Harry]

16 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

If Scott at RWB is such a concern, why wait until a defeat to raise it?

I was concerned about it from the start. 
Not a knock on Scott in any way, shape or form. 

[GrahamC]

We must have done this one at least 3 times before;

Hunt was probably on circa £12k a week, Pearson hoped Vyner (already at the club) could solve the RB issue but needed cheap (that’s a recurring theme, folks) cover, so offered Simpson (probably on about £5k) a year. Hunt’s wages were probably more than Simpson & Tanner combined.

Tanner then became available, Pearson is using Vyner elsewhere, I really can’t see the issue, but let’s moan relentlessly about everything, eh?

[GrahamC]

49 minutes ago, WWred said:

Christ how many older players have we signed over the last few years to provide that 'experienced head' that have turned out to be ******* useless.. Danny Simpson, Chris Brunt, Gary O'Neil, Jody Morris. It never bloody works for us signing the experienced general type players

Wade Elliott, Aaron Wilbraham, we’re both ******* useless, “never works out” eh?

[pongo88]

1 hour ago, Hampshire reds said:

can someone explain to me why did the club sign Danny. surely with his experience he should have played RWB yesterday. instead Pearson plays a young lad completely out of position. 

I think the first sentence is the key, not the question about playing him yesterday. He’s worst than Jack Hunt. Hunt wasn’t City’s greatest player but he played 41 matches in the Championship last season.  He was probably on a high salary but he could have been offered reduced terms, the same as Baker and Weimann. At 30 hunt is a spring chicken compared to Simpson 

[grifty]

49 minutes ago, WWred said:

Christ how many older players have we signed over the last few years to provide that 'experienced head' that have turned out to be ******* useless.. Danny Simpson, Chris Brunt, Gary O'Neil, Jody Morris. It never bloody works for us signing the experienced general type players

Wilbraham was good?

I feel Jody Morris gets unfair stick. If you watch a podcast I've forgotten the name of (helpful) with Steven Davies, he says that Morris had the chance to be a manager up in Scotland with St. Johnstone (I think), but when McInnes joined, he called Morris and said I want you to be on my coaching staff and also get some playing time. He weighed up packing in playing and being a manager for coaching but still playing.

He turned up on his first day and was blanked by McInnes from then on. Never was allowed to do any coaching, never got picked for the team. apparently he was still great in the dressing room/training pitch with younger players and trying to motivate the other players though and never kicked off or spat his dummy out.

[Harry]

7 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

We must have done this one at least 3 times before;

Hunt was probably on circa £12k a week, Pearson hoped Vyner (already at the club) could solve the RB issue but needed cheap (that’s a recurring theme, folks) cover, so offered Simpson (probably on about £5k) a year. Hunt’s wages were probably more than Simpson & Tanner combined.

Tanner then became available, Pearson is using Vyner elsewhere, I really can’t see the issue, but let’s moan relentlessly about everything, eh?

I don’t blame Pearson for this. I point the finger firmly at the recruitment department. 
It’s a waste of a squad place and a waste of a wage, and the recruitment team should have been perfectly capable of sourcing alternatives to a 35 year old whom we’d already seen first hand wasn’t up to it. 

[Hampshire reds]

dont blame Pearson for signing Simpson you are having a laugh. He was one of his ex players. And you pick holes in my posts. cant stop laughing at this.

[maxjak]

So is Simpson on the bus? On top of the bus? Under the bus?  In the bus's  luggage hold?  Driving the pheckin bus?  Playing cards at the back of the bus?..............or merely down at the cashpoint?

[Harry]

6 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

dont blame Pearson for signing Simpson you are having a laugh. He was one of his ex players. And you pick holes in my posts. cant stop laughing at this.

I haven’t picked holes in your post - you’ll find I’ve actually backed you up on this one. 
 

Yes, the fault for our poor recruitment lies with the poor recruitment team. 
If they haven’t go a clue (which they haven’t), then I don’t blame Pearson for having to go with someone he already knows. 
 

He shouldn’t have signed him. I 100% disagree with the signing. But when the recruitment team is shyte, the manager has to rely on his own personal contacts - see McInnes. 

[Harry]

4 minutes ago, maxjak said:

So is Simpson on the bus? On top of the bus? Under the bus?  In the bus's  luggage hold?  Driving the pheckin bus?  Playing cards at the back of the bus?..............or merely down at the cashpoint?

This is something I’ve been wondering too. 
Whilst Simpson is clearly one of Pearson’s signings, has something happened whereby Simpson is actually now one of the ones who Nige is calling out?? 
Seems odd to me that he doesn’t play and we end up playing a teenager out of position. 
I can only assume that Simpson is one of those players that Nige keeps calling out as not ‘on the bus’. 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, DownendRed97 said:

Simpson isn’t playing because, when he has played he’s looked like his legs have gone and just isn’t up to it any more. Reminds me a bit of Chris Brunt last season. Pearson clearly trusts him to be around the place, however he probably doesn’t want to tarnish his mate’s reputation by playing him every week, for him to get turned inside out by every winger with a little bit of pace. This shouldn’t be the case, but probably Alex Scott at RWB is the best option at the moment, which is laughable really considering we let Jack Hunt go in summer, who is probably the best option we would have right now.

FWIW I think Simpson played alright in his two league starts this season (Reading / Swansea), I’m surprised he didn’t get more minutes, but the move to a back three / WBs hasn’t helped that.  He can still defend.  I don’t remember wingers turning him inside out in either of those games.  He can still defend.  Less said about back pass v West Brom the better, but he at least got stuck in.

[maxjak]

21 minutes ago, Harry said:

This is something I’ve been wondering too. 
Whilst Simpson is clearly one of Pearson’s signings, has something happened whereby Simpson is actually now one of the ones who Nige is calling out?? 
Seems odd to me that he doesn’t play and we end up playing a teenager out of position. 
I can only assume that Simpson is one of those players that Nige keeps calling out as not ‘on the bus’. 

Still picking up his matchday bonus by constantly picking splinters out of his ass on the bench.

[JoeAman08]

I don’t discredit what he, James or King is bringing to the dressing room. I do wonder if we needed all 3 however. Especially as think Weimann and Martin are seen in a similar way and naming Bentley captain must have an element of that too. Did we really need all of that influence? Is there evidence it is making much of a difference? Not for me on both questions. 
 

I will say, Tanner thing come from nowhere really. Perhaps opportunity fell into our lap with him and it was planned for Simpson to be more of a factor on the pitch. Also, with change of shape and wanting to be more of a threat it was never going to be him at rwb

[Jackson Lamb]

I do wonder if we brought in Simpson at the time as the Tanner deal wasn’t coming to fruition. 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

8 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I don’t discredit what he, James or King is bringing to the dressing room.

I question that.

What exactly are they bringing? It surely can't be motivation or attitude or additional coaching because what we're seeing appears to be players with no real motivation, a questionable attitude and no real game plan which they stick to. If they are sticking to a game plan then its the wrong one.

Meanwhile the poor signing and questionable largely unpopular signing of Simpson is not Nigel's fault but the fault of the BCFC recruitment department by default. Teflon springs to mind.

[Davefevs]

25 minutes ago, The Coach said:

I do wonder if we brought in Simpson at the time as the Tanner deal wasn’t coming to fruition. 

We were in discussions with Danny Simpson on 14th May, announced as part of the “released list” comms.

I don’t think Tanner was anything to do with it tbh.

Posted this just now on another thread:

[Harry]

19 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Meanwhile the poor signing and questionable largely unpopular signing of Simpson is not Nigel's fault but the fault of the BCFC recruitment department by default. Teflon springs to mind.

I wouldn’t say Teflon. I’ve been quite clear that the recruitment dept are shyte and Pearson was likely in a tough position where he had to rely upon his own contacts - ala Mcinnes. 
 

I’ve levelled plenty of criticism at Nige, so he is far from Teflon in my eyes. But the 3 Ex-Leics signings are clearly a result of a poor recruitment team providing viable alternatives. 

[The Bard]

2 hours ago, WWred said:

Christ how many older players have we signed over the last few years to provide that 'experienced head' that have turned out to be ******* useless.. Danny Simpson, Chris Brunt, Gary O'Neil, Jody Morris. It never bloody works for us signing the experienced general type players

Wade Elliott. 

Aaron Wilbraham 

[WolfOfWestStreet]

On 14/08/2021 at 15:53, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Simpson has a Jody Morris feel to him. 

Got rinsed for this in the summer.

[Dingbat]

Anyone who regularly watches the u23s able to say how Sam Pearson has been getting on? I saw him in a pre-season game playing RWB and he was best player on the pitch (Benyous was also playing that day, and Scott only on the bench)

Really surprised that Pearson hasn’t made the bench (at least) yet this season, especially as we seem to be struggling at times at that exact position. 

[JoeAman08]

47 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

I question that.

What exactly are they bringing? It surely can't be motivation or attitude or additional coaching because what we're seeing appears to be players with no real motivation, a questionable attitude and no real game plan which they stick to. If they are sticking to a game plan then its the wrong one.

Meanwhile the poor signing and questionable largely unpopular signing of Simpson is not Nigel's fault but the fault of the BCFC recruitment department by default. Teflon springs to mind.

Worded poorly. I don’t discredit that it is a good idea in theory. I don’t think it is adding as much as NP anticipated or actually thinks. 

[GrahamC]

49 minutes ago, The Bard said:

Wade Elliott. 

Aaron Wilbraham 

Said it above already, so I’ll just add Ashley Williams..

[PHILINFRANCE]

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Wade Elliott, Aaron Wilbraham, we’re both ******* useless, “never works out” eh?

To be fair, Gary O'Neil was probably a good idea/signing at the time, but was unfortunate with a serious injury and, it would seem (or, at least, is alleged by GO'N), with his subsequent medical treatment - where have I heard that before?

Also, the German chap, who was signed at around the same time, but whose name I forget, was a class player, but rarely played in his favoured position - I remain convinced he would have been an excellent, deep-lying central midfielder.

[Harry]

3 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

To be fair, Gary O'Neil was probably a good idea/signing at the time, but was unfortunate with a serious injury and, it would seem (or, at least, is alleged by GO'N), with his subsequent medical treatment - where have I heard that before?

Also, the German chap, who was signed at around the same time, but whose name I forget, was a class player, but rarely played in his favoured position - I remain convinced he would have been an excellent, deep-lying central midfielder.

I assume you refer to Jens Hegeler. 
He left us in December 2018 and hasn’t played a single minute of football since. 

[The Bard]

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Said it above already, so I’ll just add Ashley Williams..

Underrated player whose City career was cut short as he couldn't bear babysitting Jack Hunt anymore.  

[Oizys]

16 minutes ago, Harry said:

I assume you refer to Jens Hegeler. 
He left us in December 2018 and hasn’t played a single minute of football since. 

That's a little disingenuous Harry.  He hasn't played a minute of football since due to his personal choice, not because no-one wants him.  He stepped away from playing to concentrate on his football analytics business, something that was stated on his release by the club.

I agree with Phil, the guy was a class act.  The trouble is that he was the right player at the wrong time.  He was a Glenn Hoddle when we needed a Roy Keane. (In terms of style not ability level, clearly).  As such we didn't see the best of him.  He suffered a bad injury early on and came back after we'd already started our slide.

 

[Harry]

7 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

That's a little disingenuous Harry.  He hasn't played a minute of football since due to his personal choice, not because no-one wants him.  He stepped away from playing to concentrate on his football analytics business, something that was stated on his release by the club.

I agree with Phil, the guy was a class act.  The trouble is that he was the right player at the wrong time.  He was a Glenn Hoddle when we needed a Roy Keane. (In terms of style not ability level, clearly).  As such we didn't see the best of him.  He suffered a bad injury early on and came back after we'd already started our slide.

 

Yep, I know. He retired. At the age of 30. Not exactly someone who had the hunger to continue to forge himself a career - which is exactly my point, why would Phil “remain convinced” he was a good footballer, when Hegeler himself wasn’t convinced enough to continue. 
I just thought it was a poor example from Phil. 

[NcnsBcfc]

Strange one with Simpson, as others have said. He didn't exactly pull up any trees last season when he was on that short term contract.

I know he's probably on a relatively low wage for a man of his experience. But that is a wage that we can't give to anyone else at the moment, due to the contract we've given him. I've no doubt there will be a parting of the ways in the Jan window; and there's no way we are exercising that second year option.

Looking at the midfield at the moment, probably the decision to in effect give Simpson, and King a contract was perhaps a mistake. But at the time, NP wanted more experience in the side. Little did he know that Simpson (I still shudder over perhaps the worst attempt at a backpass I've see from a City player at WBA) levels would drop so badly as they did. He was appalling against Villa in the pre-season as well. No doubt at that stage alarm bells were ringing, and the rush to get Tanner on board started.

I wouldn't be surprised if we go out in the loan market to get 2 x full backs next month. The two playing there at the moment, are generally trying their best; but are not, and have never been full back/wing backs. The same goes for Weimann.

 

[Northern Red]

10 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yep, I know. He retired. At the age of 30. Not exactly someone who had the hunger to continue to forge himself a career - which is exactly my point, why would Phil “remain convinced” he was a good footballer, when Hegeler himself wasn’t convinced enough to continue. 
I just thought it was a poor example from Phil. 

Right DNA shining through again....

[GrahamC]

44 minutes ago, The Bard said:

Underrated player whose City career was cut short as he couldn't bear babysitting Jack Hunt anymore.  

I know someone whose lad is in one of the age related sides & he said Williams was just brilliant with younger players, always prepared to offer support & advice, which considering the career he’s had reflects well on him.

One of those who left us this summer on the other hand he said was pretty unpleasant all round..

[WWred]

3 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Wade Elliott, Aaron Wilbraham, we’re both ******* useless, “never works out” eh?

2 x signings in the same window for what was an already formidable team in that league??  - Freeman, Korey & Matt Smith, JET, Tavernier etc.. Wilbraham scored plenty that season fair game but we were going up with or without them IMO. 

Happy to change my 'never' comment to 'rarely' if you'll take that? 

 

 

[GrahamC]

3 minutes ago, WWred said:

2 x signings in the same window for what was an already formidable team in that league??  - Freeman, Korey & Matt Smith, JET, Tavernier etc.. Wilbraham scored plenty that season fair game but we were going up with or without them IMO. 

Happy to change my 'never' comment to 'rarely' if you'll take that? 

 

 

We signed Wade Elliott before any of those players you mentioned (bar JET).

Glad you knew we were going up “with or without” a 20 goal striker, incredible foresight.

[tin]

17 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Strange one with Simpson, as others have said. He didn't exactly pull up any trees last season when he was on that short term contract.

I know he's probably on a relatively low wage for a man of his experience. But that is a wage that we can't give to anyone else at the moment, due to the contract we've given him. I've no doubt there will be a parting of the ways in the Jan window; and there's no way we are exercising that second year option.

Looking at the midfield at the moment, probably the decision to in effect give Simpson, and King a contract was perhaps a mistake. But at the time, NP wanted more experience in the side. Little did he know that Simpson (I still shudder over perhaps the worst attempt at a backpass I've see from a City player at WBA) levels would drop so badly as they did. He was appalling against Villa in the pre-season as well. No doubt at that stage alarm bells were ringing, and the rush to get Tanner on board started.

I wouldn't be surprised if we go out in the loan market to get 2 x full backs next month. The two playing there at the moment, are generally trying their best; but are not, and have never been full back/wing backs. The same goes for Weimann.

 

Vilmos Sebok to Steve Phillips at Wolves still wins that accolade for me. 

On Simpson, if we're playing a flat-back four, he probably starts yesterday. Starting Simpson at RWB would've been suicidal IMO. 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

17 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Strange one with Simpson, as others have said. He didn't exactly pull up any trees last season when he was on that short term contract.

I know he's probably on a relatively low wage for a man of his experience. But that is a wage that we can't give to anyone else at the moment, due to the contract we've given him. I've no doubt there will be a parting of the ways in the Jan window; and there's no way we are exercising that second year option.

Looking at the midfield at the moment, probably the decision to in effect give Simpson, and King a contract was perhaps a mistake. But at the time, NP wanted more experience in the side. Little did he know that Simpson (I still shudder over perhaps the worst attempt at a backpass I've see from a City player at WBA) levels would drop so badly as they did. He was appalling against Villa in the pre-season as well. No doubt at that stage alarm bells were ringing, and the rush to get Tanner on board started.

I wouldn't be surprised if we go out in the loan market to get 2 x full backs next month. The two playing there at the moment, are generally trying their best; but are not, and have never been full back/wing backs. The same goes for Weimann.

 

What about Taylor Moore? A regular in the Hearts team ( albeit that he got sent off for 2nd yellow last week) who are second in the Scottish Prem but a regular and match fit.

Unwanted by Pearson but seemingly more committed than many in our defence. Not in NP's plans but then again - I'm no longer sure who is.

[NcnsBcfc]

2 minutes ago, tin said:

Vilmos Sebok to Steve Phillips at Wolves still wins that accolade for me. 

On Simpson, if we're playing a flat-back four, he probably starts yesterday. Starting Simpson at RWB would've been suicidal IMO. 

Or who can forget Ray Atteveld's superb lob over Welch I think. Premiership quality at it's best.

[WWred]

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

We signed Wade Elliott before any of those players you mentioned (bar JET).

Glad you knew we were going up “with or without” a 20 goal striker, incredible foresight.

sorry mate, i was referring to squad just being a cut above that level in general - hence why I went on to say with or without Wilbraham I think we'd have still gone up that season, something which I absolutely standby

[OneTeamInBristol]

Worrying but predictable that hardly any on here mentioning the positives that Simpson is bringing to the squad. Very obvious that he was always going to be more of a 'mentor' to the younger players rather than a squad player playing 90 minutes every week.

Numerous times this season at the final whistle he has been straight onto the pitch to one of the youngsters, arm round their shoulders with a word in their ear as they walk off. This can only be a good thing and one that Nige would have had in mind when he brought him in. 

[Harry]

25 minutes ago, OneTeamInBristol said:

Worrying but predictable that hardly any on here mentioning the positives that Simpson is bringing to the squad. Very obvious that he was always going to be more of a 'mentor' to the younger players rather than a squad player playing 90 minutes every week.

Numerous times this season at the final whistle he has been straight onto the pitch to one of the youngsters, arm round their shoulders with a word in their ear as they walk off. This can only be a good thing and one that Nige would have had in mind when he brought him in. 

Perhaps his salary should be revised downwards to the levels expected of a general gee-upper & fluffer then? 

[Oizys]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Yep, I know. He retired. At the age of 30. Not exactly someone who had the hunger to continue to forge himself a career - which is exactly my point, why would Phil “remain convinced” he was a good footballer, when Hegeler himself wasn’t convinced enough to continue. 
I just thought it was a poor example from Phil. 

I struggle with your point when it decides there's no difference between hunger and ability.  Obviously somewhere during his time with us he fell out of love with playing the game.  Quite possibly when he got injured and was being rehabilitated by Doctor Death, who knows?  But that doesn't make him a less talented footballer because he no longer enjoyed it.

[Harry]

35 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

I struggle with your point when it decides there's no difference between hunger and ability.  Obviously somewhere during his time with us he fell out of love with playing the game.  Quite possibly when he got injured and was being rehabilitated by Doctor Death, who knows?  But that doesn't make him a less talented footballer because he no longer enjoyed it.

The point was simply that the poster thought Hegeler was a good player, but the evidence of all of his games here, plus his subsequent early retirement, suggests not. 

[Rich]

7 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

can someone explain to me why did the club sign Danny. surely with his experience he should have played RWB yesterday. instead Pearson plays a young lad completely out of position. 

I can't explain specifically why Danny Simpson was signed. What I can do is to consider why he was signed using the information available. Which I believe is that, he's an experienced right back and we didn't have a right back, as such. Pearson knows what he brought to his teams in the past and he'd proven his fitness over a loan spell. Not saying he's great, or has speed now but, he is in a position to come into the team in the event of injuries and also help in the development of certain younger players. 

Yesterday I believe Pearson wanted to play with three centre backs and two wing backs. So his selection included two players out of our thin squad who can fulfil those roles of wing backs, players who have the ability to cover lots of ground up and down the pitch and have plenty of energy. They could also tuck in and help the very juvenile midfield in it's job of protecting the centre backs. Sadly, Sheffield were still able to boss this five man midfield and expose plenty of space using little triangles and diagonal defence splitting passes. Had we had a juvenile four man midfield and more rigid four man defence, then the outcome would possibly have been worse.

To play wing backs, you need players that are relatively quick and able to cover the ground for the whole match. Simpson is not that player and to suggest his inclusion as wing back is in my opinion, naive to say the least. 

So in summary, he was signed as cover and certainly not a wing back.

[Aberdeen Pete's Dad]

Went up on Saturday. Saw Sheff Wed v Wycombe. Hunt (and Bannon) were the best players on the pitch, but there is a significant difference in performance levels between championship and league 1

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, Harry said:

Yep, I know. He retired. At the age of 30. Not exactly someone who had the hunger to continue to forge himself a career - which is exactly my point, why would Phil “remain convinced” he was a good footballer, when Hegeler himself wasn’t convinced enough to continue. 
I just thought it was a poor example from Phil. 

Some players don’t want to plumb the depths of lower league football having experienced top flight football.  I think he was a good footballer.  Not sure he was suited to English Championship mind you….so again who benefitted from this signing?  I wonder.  Poor signing, not necessarily a poor player. He manipulated the ball on receipt better than most players I’ve seen for City since I started going again in 13/14.

3 hours ago, GrahamC said:

I know someone whose lad is in one of the age related sides & he said Williams was just brilliant with younger players, always prepared to offer support & advice, which considering the career he’s had reflects well on him.

One of those who left us this summer on the other hand he said was pretty unpleasant all round..

Yes, heard the same.

And I know you’re referring to Pato in your second sentence.  I posted something similar in the summer, but was happy to go with the view that everyone else thought he was fine.

[Hampshire reds]

Harry some pointless comments from u. i started saying about Danny Simpson. keep up. 

[Bodiesaffer]

10 hours ago, Harry said:

This is something I’ve been wondering too. 
Whilst Simpson is clearly one of Pearson’s signings, has something happened whereby Simpson is actually now one of the ones who Nige is calling out?? 
Seems odd to me that he doesn’t play and we end up playing a teenager out of position. 
I can only assume that Simpson is one of those players that Nige keeps calling out as not ‘on the bus’. 

I think you are correct.

[exAtyeoMax]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Some players don’t want to plumb the depths of lower league football having experienced top flight football.  I think he was a good footballer.  Not sure he was suited to English Championship mind you….so again who benefitted from this signing?  I wonder.  Poor signing, not necessarily a poor player. He manipulated the ball on receipt better than most players I’ve seen for City since I started going again in 13/14.

Yes, heard the same.

And I know you’re referring to Pato in your second sentence.  I posted something similar in the summer, but was happy to go with the view that everyone else thought he was fine.

I remember some similar comments made on here at the time, perhaps it was you Dave?

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I remember some similar comments made on here at the time, perhaps it was you Dave?

Yes it was.  But I was happy that everyone else hadn’t heard anything of the sort, and mine was the sole whisper…and I didn’t know if it was true if not anyway.

[Harry]

1 hour ago, Hampshire reds said:

Harry some pointless comments from u. i started saying about Danny Simpson. keep up. 

I’m confused. 
You started the thread. The first 2 replies slagged you off. I then backed you up. And now you’re trying to argue with me. 
Most unusual behaviour to an ally. 

[Fuber]

15 hours ago, WWred said:

Christ how many older players have we signed over the last few years to provide that 'experienced head' that have turned out to be ******* useless.. Danny Simpson, Chris Brunt, Gary O'Neil, Jody Morris. It never bloody works for us signing the experienced general type players

Hartley, Odemwingie, Cisse, Wade Elliott, Wilbraham.

Can and has worked for us jn days past as much as against us. The issue, is that like most signings, due diligence did not occur (under MA, period), and at the point we signed Simpson, Hunt was playing pretty damn badly.

I can understand NP punting on one of his (former) most consistent 6.5/10 performer at Leicester as emergency cover, the bad decision in this case was the extension, while injured, at the age of 34 going on 35.

[KegCity]

19 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Wade Elliott, Aaron Wilbraham, we’re both ******* useless, “never works out” eh?

They're exceptions, rather than the rule. The "experienced head" signings have consistently failed since promotion.

[Harry]

7 hours ago, Fuber said:

Hartley, Odemwingie, Cisse, Wade Elliott, Wilbraham.

Can and has worked for us jn days past as much as against us. The issue, is that like most signings, due diligence did not occur (under MA, period), and at the point we signed Simpson, Hunt was playing pretty damn badly.

I can understand NP punting on one of his (former) most consistent 6.5/10 performer at Leicester as emergency cover, the bad decision in this case was the extension, while injured, at the age of 34 going on 35.

All of the “old uns” mentioned in this thread who have done well for us have all been whilst we were in League 1. 
I can’t recall many (if any) successes whilst in the championship. 
That’s not to say you can’t do it successfully, but when it comes to doing it at Champ level, you have to get it very very right. 
We all know that L1 to Champ is a big step and it’s a very different game. “Old uns” have to be “very good old uns” at this level. 

[Rob k]

42 minutes ago, Harry said:

All of the “old uns” mentioned in this thread who have done well for us have all been whilst we were in League 1. 
I can’t recall many (if any) successes whilst in the championship. 
That’s not to say you can’t do it successfully, but when it comes to doing it at Champ level, you have to get it very very right. 
We all know that L1 to Champ is a big step and it’s a very different game. “Old uns” have to be “very good old uns” at this level. 

Hartley was championship wasn’t he? However i tend to agree with the point, our experienced signings haven’t exactly set the world on fire when they Have arrived here have they? 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Rob k

[lenred]

39 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Hartley was championship wasn’t he? However i tend to agree with the point, our experienced signings haven’t exactly set the world on fire when they Have arrived here have they? 

And Cisse was also wasn’t he?  

[Bris Red]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

All of the “old uns” mentioned in this thread who have done well for us have all been whilst we were in League 1. 
I can’t recall many (if any) successes whilst in the championship. 
That’s not to say you can’t do it successfully, but when it comes to doing it at Champ level, you have to get it very very right. 
We all know that L1 to Champ is a big step and it’s a very different game. “Old uns” have to be “very good old uns” at this level. 

Indeed. Very difficult to get it right and 9 times out of 10 the ‘’very good old uns’’ at this level still command big salaries.

Take a look at Gary Cahill for example, an extremely good older player at this level earning wages way out of our league.

[Red-Robbo]

20 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Right DNA shining through again....

 

I have this mental image of Mark Ashton trying to examine prospective signings DNA - with a Fisher-Price chemistry set.

[Ostrich]

23 hours ago, Harry said:

This is something I’ve been wondering too. 
Whilst Simpson is clearly one of Pearson’s signings, has something happened whereby Simpson is actually now one of the ones who Nige is calling out?? 
Seems odd to me that he doesn’t play and we end up playing a teenager out of position. 
I can only assume that Simpson is one of those players that Nige keeps calling out as not ‘on the bus’. 

Simpson isn't a RWB either, it would be playing him out of position. When Pearson played 3/5 at the back in the Great Escape run, Albrighton played RWB, not Simpson (nor De Laet for that matter). Wasn't because Simpson wasn't 'on the bus', it was because he gets an avalanche of blood leave his nose if he has to go beyond the halfway line