Louis Britton

[NcnsBcfc]

Off to Woking for a month then. Followed by a league loan in the January window by the look of it

No doubt, followed up by leaving City at the end of his contract in June; with us hoping for some future compensation.

A shame, as i think there is something about the lad. But the club and player obviously disagree over either his worth (in salary), or future potential.

I'll look forward to seeing where he ends up playing next season.

[Wiltshire robin]

Think it was a question of fitness which apparently recently had started to improve. He definitely has something about him , didn’t take him long after coming on against Brentford to score I think .

[Davefevs]

I heard he was given the carrot to get himself fit and then secure a new contract.  Looks like he’s done the first bit, maybe this one month loan is just the next step in that sequence.  It’s a good opportunity for him whatever happens next.

No fixture against Grimsby during his one month spell, so no battle with Towler (and Bell), but an FA Trophy tie at Yeovil coming up.

[And Its Smith]

He needs intense regular football to get fit. I wouldn’t rule out him signing a contract just yet, assuming he does enough between now and then 

[Numero Uno]

He's got to go out there and score goals at the lower levels if he is to have a future here. If he can't bang them in at National League level then he won't be a goal threat three divisions higher. Good luck to the lad, it's a good move for him to show what he can do.

[Numero Uno]

22 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Off to Woking for a month then. Followed by a league loan in the January window by the look of it

No doubt, followed up by leaving City at the end of his contract in June; with us hoping for some future compensation.

A shame, as i think there is something about the lad. But the club and player obviously disagree over either his worth (in salary), or future potential.

I'll look forward to seeing where he ends up playing next season.

If he goes out and scores enough goals why would we get rid? Similarly if he hardly scores a goal at the lower levels why would we keep?

[And Its Smith]

Anyone doubting this move but have serious concerns about Pearson’s judgment at the same time. We really need a presence up front and we are shipping one out on loan. Clearly a long way from ready as can’t even make the bench 

[TBW]

3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Anyone doubting this move but have serious concerns about Pearson’s judgment at the same time. We really need a presence up front and we are shipping one out on loan. Clearly a long way from ready as can’t even make the bench 

Clearly haven't read the other comments about how he isn't fully fit...

[Gazred]

It all sounds sensible and pre planned.

Good move for him at this point. Would imagine a L2 club after unless his performances suggest otherwise.

Think his future here is still very much open.

[And Its Smith]

16 minutes ago, TBW said:

Clearly haven't read the other comments about how he isn't fully fit...

Not sure what you are on about. One of those comments is from me so I know he isn’t fully fit 

[steviestevieneville]

14 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

He's fit, just not 'nige levels of fit' 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/nigel-pearson-bristol-louis-britton-5911617

Seems crazy to loan out a previously free scoring striker, who has played lots of 90's for the under 23s when weve very real issues with options up front. 

One of the 'shirkers' perhaps? 

Anyhoo, strange one. 

Why is it strange. He needs to go on loan & get minutes under his belt 

[Lrrr]

Highest standard he can go atm  what's better, 1st team mins in NL or U23's as we know he's not going to get 1st team mins here

[Roger Red Hat]

28 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Why is it strange. He needs to go on loan & get minutes under his belt 

It's not strange at all. But if you're 'Ralph' it can be suggested NP doesn't know what he is doing.

[Roger Red Hat]

1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said:

But the club and player obviously disagree over either his worth (in salary), or future potential.

Eh?

[steviestevieneville]

1 minute ago, Tafkarmlf said:

We are currently blessed with a knackered and misfiring line of strikers all woefully out of form. 

We've sent the guy who has been scoring on loan to someone else. 

That's strange. 

No it’s not. The lads not up to speed fitness wise & also he’s behind Conway .  

[steviestevieneville]

1 minute ago, Tafkarmlf said:

It is but hey, you have your views and Ill have mine How's that?

Of course but he’s also behind Nahki Wells . With Conway that’s two strikers on the bench . How many do you want 

[Lrrr]

9 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

No it’s not. The lads not up to speed fitness wise & also he’s behind Conway .  

Up to speed would be the wrong phrase, he's 'match fit' but just not at the same standards others are at, seems a lot fitter now then he has been though.

[Davefevs]

23 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Highest standard he can go atm  what's better, 1st team mins in NL or U23's as we know he's not going to get 1st team mins here

Exactly.

Heres the quote.

I’d say Nige thinks he has something to offer, but he needs a first team fit Louis Britton.  This loan will help if he gives it all he’s got.

Ive watched enough u23 games over the past season and a half to know he hasn’t always looked fit enough for u23s let alone first team.  What was Benarous’s first comment - that he couldn’t believe how quick the Championship was…speed not just in the legs but in the head too.

For me, it’s an ideal opportunity, see some seeds for any scouts who want to see if he’s ready for a second half of the season loan to the EFL.

I would imagine a certain League Two side with some ex-Bristol City connections might be spending a bit of time scouting Woking games over the next month!

8 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

No it’s not. The lads not up to speed fitness wise & also he’s behind Conway .  

Different type of forward, but I agree.  Conway needs to get back in the 18 and show Nige what he can do…before Bell and Britton come back in January.

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Of course but he’s also behind Nahki Wells . With Conway that’s two strikers on the bench . How many do you want 

Yes, Martin, Weimann, Wells, Semenyo, all ahead of him, Conway likely too…even Janneh.  He isn’t gonna get any minutes with City before January unless Nige sees him being direct cover for Chris Martin.  And imho they are totally different players.

Louis isn’t a target man either, he’s 6ft-plus, but he’s physical in pest-like way, all arms, elbows etc, rather than someone who’s gonna hold the ball up.  He does attack the ball well aerially from the sides, but he’s not someone to pump the ball straight at.

[1960maaan]

I think he needs a good loan, a successful one. U23's is no level to judge.
He's an interesting player, usually gets a shot away and usually on target. Has that knack of, right place right time. I'm not convinced just yet, a good month I hope changes that. I have Conway ahead of him, technically better looks more composed. But you can't dispute Britton's goals. I hope LB has a good month with lots of goals.

[GrahamC]

35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, Martin, Weimann, Wells, Semenyo, all ahead of him, Conway likely too…even Janneh.  He isn’t gonna get any minutes with City before January unless Nige sees him being direct cover for Chris Martin.  And imho they are totally different players.

Louis isn’t a target man either, he’s 6ft-plus, but he’s physical in pest-like way, all arms, elbows etc, rather than someone who’s gonna hold the ball up.  He does attack the ball well aerially from the sides, but he’s not someone to pump the ball straight at.

Yes, this.

[NcnsBcfc]

56 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Eh?

When we signed four of the under 23s to long term contracts last season, Britton was conspicuous by his absence.

He was scoring goals for fun for the team, but there were rumours that he wasn't happy with the terms he'd been offered.

We obviously activated his option year; but NP has said that he needs to omprove his fitness before he joins the first team squad.

This for me is a little strange, as you would have thought the best place to not only improve his fitness (and sharpness) would have been through training with the first team squad in the first place. It all smacks a bit of other issues as well.

It may well be speculation on my part. But from the outside, it appears as if the club/player have a difference of opinion.

[spudski]

Imo...Britton is a natural goal scorer.

Unfortunately that isn't good enough at Championship level alone.

Snake is also a natural goal scorer but isn't deemed adequate enough for Championship level. Same can be said of many.

Imo...

Britton could train and play to the best of his ability under the best coaching, but will never reach the levels required, because of the limits on his body type. Some people will never get to a fitness level required to play Championship football, regardless of training.

Same with JET...you find a level you can deal with consistently.

Football at Championship level is all about, running and more running. Is  Britton a better 'natural' goalscorer than Weimann...imo yes...but Weimann can run all day.

The quality of 'football' has diminished over the years in the Championship, however the fitness levels have gone through the roof.

There are many natural footballers lower down the league's that will never make the grade because of limited fitness ability.

Look at Le Tissier...would never get in a championship side these days, regardless of training. 

The simple fact is...regardless of talent, if your body won't get to levels of fitness required, because it has limits, then you won't make the grade.

On a personal note I'd rather watch a team with Jackie, Doc, Noble, Worthington, Le Tissier, JET etc, than a team of Weimanns...but that's the way it's gone.

Would love the lad to prove me wrong...but my eye tells me he can't.

[Waconda]

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I heard he was given the carrot to get himself fit and then secure a new contract.  Looks like he’s done the first bit, maybe this one month loan is just the next step in that sequence.  It’s a good opportunity for him whatever happens next.

No fixture against Grimsby during his one month spell, so no battle with Towler (and Bell), but an FA Trophy tie at Yeovil coming up.

He is in our long term plans currently. Has had fitness issues.

[Waconda]

50 minutes ago, spudski said:

Imo...Britton is a natural goal scorer.

Unfortunately that isn't good enough at Championship level alone.

Snake is also a natural goal scorer but isn't deemed adequate enough for Championship level. Same can be said of many.

Imo...

Britton could train and play to the best of his ability under the best coaching, but will never reach the levels required, because of the limits on his body type. Some people will never get to a fitness level required to play Championship football, regardless of training.

Same with JET...you find a level you can deal with consistently.

Football at Championship level is all about, running and more running. Is  Britton a better 'natural' goalscorer than Weimann...imo yes...but Weimann can run all day.

The quality of 'football' has diminished over the years in the Championship, however the fitness levels have gone through the roof.

There are many natural footballers lower down the league's that will never make the grade because of limited fitness ability.

Look at Le Tissier...would never get in a championship side these days, regardless of training. 

The simple fact is...regardless of talent, if your body won't get to levels of fitness required, because it has limits, then you won't make the grade.

On a personal note I'd rather watch a team with Jackie, Doc, Noble, Worthington, Le Tissier, JET etc, than a team of Weimanns...but that's the way it's gone.

Would love the lad to prove me wrong...but my eye tells me he can't.

Weimann is a very good and clever player, I much prefer to watch that type of player over a "circus tricks" maverick but each to their own.

(and I have seen all of those you list play live)

[spudski]

32 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Weimann is a very good and clever player, I much prefer to watch that type of player over a "circus tricks" maverick but each to their own.

(and I have seen all of those you list play live)

Each to their own indeed...I don't think any of those I listed were 'circus tricks'...they were naturally gifted footballers who were not naturally gifted fitness wise...and would never be regardless of training...that was my point.

Weimann hasn't got anything on any in that list, naturally or technically.  His touch and feel, regardless of hours of coaching, isn't comparable.

You can see coached players...they are different to coached and gifted. 

Even LJ said in his time here that Weimann wasn't technically good. You can see that. He maybe aware tactically and have movement and fitness, but his ' footballing' ability isn't the best. If it were... he'd be playing higher.

 

[TBW]

3 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Not sure what you are on about. One of those comments is from me so I know he isn’t fully fit 

Stop whining then. 

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, TBW said:

Stop whining then. 

I will if you do 

[Waconda]

2 minutes ago, spudski said:

Each to their own indeed...I don't think any of those I listed were 'circus tricks'...they were naturally gifted footballers who were not naturally gifted fitness wise...and would never be regardless of training...that was my point.

Weimann hasn't got anything on any in that list, naturally or technically.  His touch and feel, regardless of hours of coaching, isn't comparable.

You can see coached players...they are different to coached and gifted. 

Even LJ said in his time here that Weimann wasn't technically good. You can see that. He maybe aware tactically and have movement and fitness, but his ' footballing' ability isn't the best. If it were... he'd be playing higher.

 

I agree and would rather watch Weimann than the others, I am not interested in the individuals in a team game. Just like I couldn't give a toss who wins the Ballon D'or. 

Just me I guess

[Waconda]

3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I will if you do 

[spudski]

15 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

I agree and would rather watch Weimann than the others, I am not interested in the individuals in a team game. Just like I couldn't give a toss who wins the Ballon D'or. 

Just me I guess

You could have a team of talented footballers that were less fit.

Then you could have a team of fit athletes that were less natural and technical footballers. 

The latter is now the norm. 

Is it better...imo, no.

How often do we watch players running a lot, but they can't pass, control, read a game. Basics. It's getting more frequent. It's happening in most sports...fitness over finesse.

 

[TBW]

53 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I will if you do 

I'm rubber you're glue. 

[Red-Robbo]

3 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

I think he needs a good loan, a successful one. U23's is no level to judge.
He's an interesting player, usually gets a shot away and usually on target. Has that knack of, right place right time. I'm not convinced just yet, a good month I hope changes that. I have Conway ahead of him, technically better looks more composed. But you can't dispute Britton's goals. I hope LB has a good month with lots of goals.

 

Well the highlighted line is the point. Has Conway got anywhere near Britton's goal rate?  Played 10 times the number of first-team minutes that LB has, but scored the same number of first-team goals. 

We're a goal-shy club at the moment. I'd rather have a youngster on our bench who doesn't do (or maybe say) the right things in training, but scores goals in games, then someone who trains brilliantly, but doesn't.

 

[redsapper]

He will never be a 1st regular at Bristol City!!!!

He will move in the summer to another club watch this Space. 

[Major Isewater]

1 hour ago, redsapper said:

He will never be a 1st regular at Bristol City!!!!

He will move in the summer to another club watch this Space. 

What league do Space play in ? 

[Never to the dark side]

Woking,

what science fiction film was based on the trees in one of the the wooded areas of the town?

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

38 minutes ago, Never to the dark side said:

Woking,

what science fiction film was based on the trees in one of the the wooded areas of the town?

Day of the Triffids?

[JoeAman08]

I really really don’t get the love in for Britton. Scored once in a meaningless last 15 minutes on the last day of the season when we were down 3-0. Oh and he scores for the u23s where he is a bit older than the rest of our u23s. 
 

He has made two matchdays in our worst team in the last 8 years. Been called out by the manager for not being fit enough. Didn’t get a new deal from city in the summer when 4 others of similar age and development did. Scored once in over 300 minutes at national league level when he was there. All that and this guy is going to come change our fortunes? Even if I forgot all that, we are still Bristol City and don’t supply our strikers with much opportunity. 
 

I am all for young players but I don’t get the love in. How many times do we say stats can be misleading? Yet most of the people saying he should play go look at his goals for the u23s. I hope he does well but all evidence so far points to him not getting close to this level

[Lrrr]

7 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I really really don’t get the love in for Britton. Scored once in a meaningless last 15 minutes on the last day of the season when we were down 3-0. Oh and he scores for the u23s where he is a bit older than the rest of our u23s. 
 

He has made two matchdays in our worst team in the last 8 years. Been called out by the manager for not being fit enough. Didn’t get a new deal from city in the summer when 4 others of similar age and development did. Scored once in over 300 minutes at national league level when he was there. All that and this guy is going to come change our fortunes? Even if I forgot all that, we are still Bristol City and don’t supply our strikers with much opportunity. 
 

I am all for young players but I don’t get the love in. How many times do we say stats can be misleading? Yet most of the people saying he should play go look at his goals for the u23s. I hope he does well but all evidence so far points to him not getting close to this level

From the Brentford game it wasn’t just the goal, aerially showed he could compete with people at our level, Brentford’s defenders didn’t like trying to handle him. He’s not a standout age wise at 23’s level it’s just City run with very young u23’s teams, most other clubs he’d still be younger/average age. As for his scoring rate at 23’s it’s not just ‘good’ it was a rate of 4 in every 5 or so last season and ended up top scorer in the 23’s league despite having been on loan for half the season. As for the loan all indications are Stockport fed City a line on being keen and then the manager just bombed him off as soon as he joined despite starting well at Torquay, the skeptic in me wondered whether Stockport wanted to take a cog away from Torquay as they were a promotion rival.

[Gimme Shelton]

1 hour ago, Never to the dark side said:

Woking,

what science fiction film was based on the trees in one of the the wooded areas of the town?

Horsell Common is nearby where the Martians first land in  War of the World's. I've been there and it's worth visiting. Very strange place,you can take a bucket and spade and play in the sand pits, there's definitely an 'atmosphere' about the place.

 

[Steve Watts]

I find it bizarre that some are seeing this loan as the end of his career here.  It seems to me that this is an ideal opportunity to toughen up and see if he can find the required levels physically to play men's football.  League football is very different to an under 23's match. Preparing him for a league loan in a month's time by sending him to a full time club playing against other full time clubs seems to be a good move.  

I see this move as giving him every possible opportunity to have a career here, not the opposite.

[1960maaan]

7 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Well the highlighted line is the point. Has Conway got anywhere near Britton's goal rate?  Played 10 times the number of first-team minutes that LB has, but scored the same number of first-team goals. 

We're a goal-shy club at the moment. I'd rather have a youngster on our bench who doesn't do (or maybe say) the right things in training, but scores goals in games, then someone who trains brilliantly, but doesn't.

 

If you go down that route, he's the best City goalscorer of all time. A goal every 15 minutes.

A better comparison is at National League South.
Conway 11 games 4 goals
Britton.  10 games 1 goal
Not that that proves much either.
This day and age a striker has to do more than score, but they still rely on chances. I think Conway is the more all round player, but if we were creating and missing chances then I'd throw Britton straight in.  If heyday Gary Lineker was up front for us, he would have the worst season of his career, unless you are Messi you rely on supply. 
I'm not sure about him yet, you always want a goalscorer to succeed and a successful loan at a decent level may kick start something. I hope so.
Over the years I've seen players in the reserves and U23's that I was sure would make it, then they disappear, I'm no judge. Then again there is much more to it than what we see. With luck there will be a TV game to check him out

 

[tin]

Assuming Britton plays games out on loan, it should be a good move for him as long as he applies himself.

It's sink or swim time for him. Score goals at that level and he puts himself in the shop window for another loan in January, strengthens his case to remain with us longer-term, or attracts the attention of other clubs for a permanent move away in the summer. Fail and he might end up drifting towards the likes of Gloucester City or Bath City. 

I hope it works out for him. I like natural goalscorers, especially those who can ruffle a few feathers. 

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Lrrr said:

From the Brentford game it wasn’t just the goal, aerially showed he could compete with people at our level, Brentford’s defenders didn’t like trying to handle him. He’s not a standout age wise at 23’s level it’s just City run with very young u23’s teams, most other clubs he’d still be younger/average age. As for his scoring rate at 23’s it’s not just ‘good’ it was a rate of 4 in every 5 or so last season and ended up top scorer in the 23’s league despite having been on loan for half the season. As for the loan all indications are Stockport fed City a line on being keen and then the manager just bombed him off as soon as he joined despite starting well at Torquay, the skeptic in me wondered whether Stockport wanted to take a cog away from Torquay as they were a promotion rival.

Put it this way “Jim Gannon” is a swear word in the Britton household.  His dad was not happy with how they treated Louis.

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

If you go down that route, he's the best City goalscorer of all time. A goal every 15 minutes.

A better comparison is at National League South.
Conway 11 games 4 goals
Britton.  10 games 1 goal
Not that that proves much either.
This day and age a striker has to do more than score, but they still rely on chances. I think Conway is the more all round player, but if we were creating and missing chances then I'd throw Britton straight in.  If heyday Gary Lineker was up front for us, he would have the worst season of his career, unless you are Messi you rely on supply. 
I'm not sure about him yet, you always want a goalscorer to succeed and a successful loan at a decent level may kick start something. I hope so.
Over the years I've seen players in the reserves and U23's that I was sure would make it, then they disappear, I'm no judge. Then again there is much more to it than what we see. With luck there will be a TV game to check him out

 

Yep, it depends what type of striker you want.

38 minutes ago, tin said:

Assuming Britton plays games out on loan, it should be a good move for him as long as he applies himself.

It's sink or swim time for him. Score goals at that level and he puts himself in the shop window for another loan in January, strengthens his case to remain with us longer-term, or attracts the attention of other clubs for a permanent move away in the summer. Fail and he might end up drifting towards the likes of Gloucester City or Bath City. 

I hope it works out for him. I like natural goalscorers, especially those who can ruffle a few feathers. 

I like your last sentence!

[WECANDO]

14 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

It is but hey, you have your views and Ill have mine How's that?

But he scores more goals than Conway.

[mozo]

14 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, Martin, Weimann, Wells, Semenyo, all ahead of him, Conway likely too…even Janneh.  He isn’t gonna get any minutes with City before January unless Nige sees him being direct cover for Chris Martin.  And imho they are totally different players.

Louis isn’t a target man either, he’s 6ft-plus, but he’s physical in pest-like way, all arms, elbows etc, rather than someone who’s gonna hold the ball up.  He does attack the ball well aerially from the sides, but he’s not someone to pump the ball straight at.

Martin and Britton being different players doesn't necessarily mean they aren't the most convenient pairing to be interchangeable in our side. I'd say they are in terms of presence, physicality and aggression. 

 

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, mozo said:

Martin and Britton being different players doesn't necessarily mean they aren't the most convenient pairing to be interchangeable in our side. I'd say they are in terms of presence, physicality and aggression. 

 

100%.  Just that some people seem to think they are like for like.  They aren’t….but as you say, that’s not a reason why Louis couldn’t give us a different option to say Conway or Bell.

[SecretSam]

18 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

He's fit, just not 'nige levels of fit' 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/nigel-pearson-bristol-louis-britton-5911617

Seems crazy to loan out a previously free scoring striker, who has played lots of 90's for the under 23s when weve very real issues with options up front. 

One of the 'shirkers' perhaps? 

Anyhoo, strange one. 

But there's a lack of real league experience. If he goes out and starts banging them in, great, but remember: when Tammy came here, he'd scored zillions in youth games, nothing in the real world. We took a gamble to some extent; it paid off. Often it doesn't.

[SecretSam]

17 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

We are currently blessed with a knackered and misfiring line of strikers all woefully out of form. 

We've sent the guy who has been scoring on loan to someone else. 

That's strange. 

By the same logic, we should grab whoever's top scorer in the Downs league and put him up top

[Davefevs]

Just now, SecretSam said:

But there's a lack of real league experience. If he goes out and starts banging them in, great, but remember: when Tammy came here, he'd scored zillions in youth games, nothing in the real world. We took a gamble to some extent; it paid off. Often it doesn't.

Ike Ugbo….Barnsley we’re convinced they’d got the next Tammy.  Done alright since but took him time to get going in senior football.

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, SecretSam said:

But there's a lack of real league experience. If he goes out and starts banging them in, great, but remember: when Tammy came here, he'd scored zillions in youth games, nothing in the real world. We took a gamble to some extent; it paid off. Often it doesn't.

 

I don't think anyone's talking about making him an automatic starter: he isn't challenging Martin, Weimann, Wells or Semenyo for the first XI.

I just wonder if he couldn't give us a sub option when we want a young player, who can go up front, play without fear and have something to prove. We already sit U23 players on the bench, and if LB scores more than them in those games, it's just possible he should be the young player there.

It's not like we're knocking in a lot of goals this season.  Which is why I wonder if sending the lad on loan is the right thing to do. 

[SecretSam]

1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I don't think anyone's talking about making him an automatic starter: he isn't challenging Martin, Weimann, Wells or Semenyo for the first XI.

I just wonder if he couldn't give us a sub option when we want a young player, who can go up front, play without fear and have something to prove. We already sit U23 players on the bench, and if LB scores more than them in those games, it's just possible he should be the young player there.

It's not like we're knocking in a lot of goals this season.  Which is why I wonder if sending the lad on loan is the right thing to do. 

No, I totally take your point, but similarly, it's a lot of responsibility and expectation precisely because we're not scoring - if he tries, and fails, that could ruin him.

Better to let him work his way up to Championship standard. Then he'd be ahead of pretty much all our players...

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, SecretSam said:

No, I totally take your point, but similarly, it's a lot of responsibility and expectation precisely because we're not scoring - if he tries, and fails, that could ruin him.

Better to let him work his way up to Championship standard. Then he'd be ahead of pretty much all our players...

 

People always say this about young players, but I don't think they are any more likely to be "ruined" than experienced pros by playing in an underachieving and failing team.

We've seen in recent games, younger players excelling while more experienced team-mates look short of confidence and demoralised.

Young players realise they should have a decent career ahead of them. Older players will worry more about the direction of their career, have more responsibilities and many feel they've been there, done it, and already proved themselves. They can be the curious combination of fearful and complacent. 

Anyway, I hope Louis takes the opportunity to prove himself at Woking and returns to City before too long. 

[1960maaan]

37 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I don't think anyone's talking about making him an automatic starter: he isn't challenging Martin, Weimann, Wells or Semenyo for the first XI.

I just wonder if he couldn't give us a sub option when we want a young player, who can go up front, play without fear and have something to prove. We already sit U23 players on the bench, and if LB scores more than them in those games, it's just possible he should be the young player there.

It's not like we're knocking in a lot of goals this season.  Which is why I wonder if sending the lad on loan is the right thing to do. 

I would have been happy to see this any time recently. While he is not a "like for like" for Martin, he would have give fresh impetus in games where Martin has been visibly flagging. I see Britton as more like Tammy or Lineker or Riley (choose your era). Doesn't get too involved in build up too much, but comes alive in the box. As I said, usually gets a strike away, and more often than not  on target. More of a bully than those, but an in the box player. 
`What I would say. Pearson has had him on an individual training regime  ,& playing with U23's. The loan is potentially around 4 weeks, if he plays it's a step up in every way and could prove he has done what Nige wanted. 
We have just come through a spell where, Britton wasn't deemed fit enough, Conway and Semenyo weren't fit. Now Semenyo is back in the squad and there is slightly less urgency for options. He has possibly 6 games, hopefully plays a lot of minutes, gets amongst the goals but most importantly proves his fitness and that he can play at that level.

[Steve Watts]

6 hours ago, tin said:

Assuming Britton plays games out on loan, it should be a good move for him as long as he applies himself.

It's sink or swim time for him. Score goals at that level and he puts himself in the shop window for another loan in January, strengthens his case to remain with us longer-term, or attracts the attention of other clubs for a permanent move away in the summer. Fail and he might end up drifting towards the likes of Gloucester City or Bath City. 

I hope it works out for him. I like natural goalscorers, especially those who can ruffle a few feathers. 

The way I read the article I took it that the league loan is already agreed, and he's going to Woking to get a bit of league match sharpness in advance of that.

1 hour ago, Tafkarmlf said:

There's been loads of times where that's happened, plucked from Non league to pro from Ian Wright, Michael Antonio, Stuart Pearce, Jamie Vardy

Etc

We've done it with Basso, and Bolasie (kinda) amongst others

For every Jamie Vardy there will be about 50 John Akinde's.....

[DaveF]

2 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

The way I read the article I took it that the league loan is already agreed, and he's going to Woking to get a bit of league match sharpness in advance of that.

For every Jamie Vardy there will be about 50 John Akinde's.....

Akinde has carved out a pretty decent professional career for himself to be fair.

[Selred]

5 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

I get that not everyone will make it, however our strike force is awful. 

They actually aren’t. Weimann is the 12th top scorer in the league, Martin is 21st. The issue is service. 

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, Selred said:

They actually aren’t. Weimann is the 12th top scorer in the league, Martin is 21st. The issue is service. 

Agree.  12 goals 7 assists in 20 games each is not shabby is it?  Perhaps looking beyond our top 2 scorers to 3rd top with 1 goal is a better place to start.  They are 1st and 2nd for assists too…again next best is 1.

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Awful beard

[pongo88]

20 hours ago, spudski said:

Imo...Britton is a natural goal scorer.

Unfortunately that isn't good enough at Championship level alone.

Snake is also a natural goal scorer but isn't deemed adequate enough for Championship level. Same can be said of many.

Imo...

Britton could train and play to the best of his ability under the best coaching, but will never reach the levels required, because of the limits on his body type. Some people will never get to a fitness level required to play Championship football, regardless of training.

Same with JET...you find a level you can deal with consistently.

Football at Championship level is all about, running and more running. Is  Britton a better 'natural' goalscorer than Weimann...imo yes...but Weimann can run all day.

The quality of 'football' has diminished over the years in the Championship, however the fitness levels have gone through the roof.

There are many natural footballers lower down the league's that will never make the grade because of limited fitness ability.

Look at Le Tissier...would never get in a championship side these days, regardless of training. 

The simple fact is...regardless of talent, if your body won't get to levels of fitness required, because it has limits, then you won't make the grade.

On a personal note I'd rather watch a team with Jackie, Doc, Noble, Worthington, Le Tissier, JET etc, than a team of Weimanns...but that's the way it's gone.

Would love the lad to prove me wrong...but my eye tells me he can't.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but not the bit about Le Tissier. He was an attacking midfielder rather than an out and out striker who scored a goal in approx every three games. Someone like that would walk into the current City team 

[Selred]

1 hour ago, Tafkarmlf said:

7 and 5 goals

Joint 12th and joint 21st.

I'm not exactly jumping for joy here, with how fantastic it is, Weimann isnt out and out striker for us 

So

Martin 5

Wells 1

Janneh had 2 in the cup

Andddd... Lots on 1 

Huge number of goals

We're 5th/6th lowest scorers in the Championship https://www.espn.co.uk/football/table/_/league/eng.2

Im not convinced that sending our strikers who do scoreon loan  is a great decision. 

I've justified that enough, have a fab Friyay

Exactly Weimann isn’t an out and out striker and still could get 15 goals this season. That’s average / upper championship striker stats. 

It just shows we don’t make enough chances for all players. Britton isn’t a player to make chances for himself.

Britton scores against under 23 defences. Wells got a hat trick the other week for the under 23s. Means nothing. If Britton scores a hat full in his games for Woking then let’s talk, right now he hasn’t done it in the mens game. 

[spudski]

48 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

I agree with a lot of what you said, but not the bit about Le Tissier. He was an attacking midfielder rather than an out and out striker who scored a goal in approx every three games. Someone like that would walk into the current City team 

I'm on about fitness. Le Tissier wouldn't get in any Championship now. You can't compare fitness levels to the past.

If you had flair and skill like Le Tissier, but not an ability to run for 90 mins, you could get away with it back then. In fact if you had skill like him, you could actually use it to overcome lack of fitness. To a greater degree...that's why you saw more ' ballers' back then.

 

[1960maaan]

21 minutes ago, spudski said:

I'm on about fitness. Le Tissier wouldn't get in any Championship now. You can't compare fitness levels to the past.

If you had flair and skill like Le Tissier, but not an ability to run for 90 mins, you could get away with it back then. In fact if you had skill like him, you could actually use it to overcome lack of fitness. To a greater degree...that's why you saw more ' ballers' back then.

 

It's the main reason I don't like the old X Vs Y debates. Eras are so different, whether it be Refereeing , fitness , technical ability, pitches or anything else.

But, put those certain players in a certain decade and some would adapt. LeTiss had physique and if he was "today" fit he would walk into a top Prem side. Take Emlyn Hughes, he could run all day, and that was on those horrible pitches. If you take player A from a certain decade he won't fit in another, but if you imagine he was brought up in that decade it's a different argument. 

Plus you have to facter in the beer, everyone was a drinker to some extent. Training was just a way of sweating out the previous nights drink 

Edited December 3, 2021 by 1960maaan

[spudski]

2 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

It's the main reason I don't like the old X Vs Y debates. Eras are so different, whether it be Refereeing , fitness , technical ability, pitches or anything else.

But, put those certain players in a certain decade and some would adapt. LeTiss had physique and if he was "today" fit he would walk into a top Prem side. Take Emlyn Hughes, he could run all day, and that was on those horrible pitches. If you take player A from a certain decade he won't fit in another, but if you imagine he was brought up in that decade it's a different argument. 

Plus you have to faster in the beer, everyone was a drinker to some extent. Training was just a way of sweating out the previous nights drink 

Exactly... however Le Tissier wasn't considered an athlete back then. That's my point...back then you could play to a high level with natural ability, but less natural fitness. Today you can't. If Le Tissier had more fitness back then, I'm sure he would have played more Internationals.

[mozo]

6 hours ago, Davefevs said:

100%.  Just that some people seem to think they are like for like.  They aren’t….but as you say, that’s not a reason why Louis couldn’t give us a different option to say Conway or Bell.

Britton and Martin as two up front is an interesting concept 

[pongo88]

25 minutes ago, spudski said:

I'm on about fitness. Le Tissier wouldn't get in any Championship now. You can't compare fitness levels to the past.

If you had flair and skill like Le Tissier, but not an ability to run for 90 mins, you could get away with it back then. In fact if you had skill like him, you could actually use it to overcome lack of fitness. To a greater degree...that's why you saw more ' ballers' back then.

 

It’s true that a lot of players from the past were unfit by today’s standards but that doesn’t mean they would be unfit now. The training regime and diet today would make them better players.  The entire City team that reached Division 1 with Alan Dicks was unfit by today’s standards, partly because they spent as much time in the pub as they did at the training ground. If they were playing now they would be better players. (I’d rather have an unfit Paul Cheesley than a “fit” Chris Martin). It’s wrong to compare then with now. If you do, you arrive at crazy conclusions. Stanley Mathews who played about 700 league games and over 50 games for England did so at basically walking pace. He couldn’t do that now, but  that doesn’t mean that now he would have spent his career in the lower leagues. He was an exceptionally gifted player, so he would have adapted his game to suit modern requirements. 

[mozo]

2 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

It’s true that a lot of players from the past were unfit by today’s standards but that doesn’t mean they would be unfit now. The training regime and diet today would make them better players.  The entire City team that reached Division 1 with Alan Dicks was unfit by today’s standards, partly because they spent as much time in the pub as they did at the training ground. If they were playing now they would be better players. (I’d rather have an unfit Paul Cheesley than a “fit” Chris Martin). It’s wrong to compare then with now. If you do, you arrive at crazy conclusions. Stanley Mathews who played about 700 league games and over 50 games for England did so at basically walking pace. He couldn’t do that now, but  that doesn’t mean that now he would have spent his career in the lower leagues. He was an exceptionally gifted player, so he would have adapted his game to suit modern requirements. 

Really good point. But would Jacki have been any different now!?  

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

It's the main reason I don't like the old X Vs Y debates. Eras are so different, whether it be Refereeing , fitness , technical ability, pitches or anything else.

But, put those certain players in a certain decade and some would adapt. LeTiss had physique and if he was "today" fit he would walk into a top Prem side. Take Emlyn Hughes, he could run all day, and that was on those horrible pitches. If you take player A from a certain decade he won't fit in another, but if you imagine he was brought up in that decade it's a different argument. 

Plus you have to facter in the beer, everyone was a drinker to some extent. Training was just a way of sweating out the previous nights drink 

You ain't seen nothing like the Mighty Emlyn!

[pongo88]

46 minutes ago, mozo said:

Really good point. But would Jacki have been any different now!?  

I doubt it as he enjoyed his lifestyle more than football. He would be paid more today so he could indulge himself more on his social life. 

[bpexile]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

I'm on about fitness. Le Tissier wouldn't get in any Championship now. You can't compare fitness levels to the past.

If you had flair and skill like Le Tissier, but not an ability to run for 90 mins, you could get away with it back then. In fact if you had skill like him, you could actually use it to overcome lack of fitness. To a greater degree...that's why you saw more ' ballers' back then.

 

I'm thinking Tomlin is a good example of huge ability but not fitness, although I think attitude was his greatest downfall.