Unan Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Maybe I missed the thread, I searched and couldn’t find anything but I saw this yesterday Edited December 3, 2021 by Marcus Aurelius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I think you did because even I knew this and my head is usulaly buried deeply in the sand when it comes to city injuries. An absolute travisty, for the player, and for us. Clearly he is a cut above, but is he even going to be properly fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Feared it wouldn't be a quick return. Terrible luck- a player with 70-80% average availability per season at his prior 3 clubs, we appear to have broke him! Still it's nothing new for us in recent times, injuries that are medium to long term... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I don't want to be pessimistic but, in the games Williams has managed for us, he has probably proven to be our key player. It's no coincidence that we looked better against Blackburn and Stoke than we did in the games where Williams was missing before or at Sheffield United. Keeping our heads above water until January now looks a tougher ask. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I don't want to be pessimistic but, in the games Williams has managed for us, he has probably proven to be our key player. It's no coincidence that we looked better against Blackburn and Stoke than we did in the games where Williams was missing before or at Sheffield United. Keeping our heads above water until January now looks a tougher ask. Absolutely right. But the tougher task is looking more like mission Impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 29 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I don't want to be pessimistic but, in the games Williams has managed for us, he has probably proven to be our key player. It's no coincidence that we looked better against Blackburn and Stoke than we did in the games where Williams was missing before or at Sheffield United. Keeping our heads above water until January now looks a tougher ask. Hopeful that one if both of James and King will be back next week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 bloke is made of glass, let’s hope he’s not another who finally gets fit then does one. sell him as soon as he is fit 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 He's broken, he needs sending back to the manufacturer?.............Will he ever be fit? Such a shame, because he has a brilliant football brain, but his body can't keep up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 “It’s about making sure he’s right” Which is why we keep rushing him back from injuries and expecting him to play 95 minutes three times a week, and put it down to ‘bad luck’ when he breaks down again ???? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, frenchred said: bloke is made of glass, let’s hope he’s not another who finally gets fit then does one. sell him as soon as he is fit 10 minutes ago, maxjak said: He's broken, he needs sending back to the manufacturer?.............Will he ever be fit? Such a shame, because he has a brilliant football brain, but his body can't keep up? Before he came to us he played a lot, and consistently. 3,000, 2,500, and then 3,000 minutes in the three prior seasons. Across 30+ apps each time. The max in the Championship is 90x46 = 4,140. So he managed somewhere between 60 and 75% of the minutes, consistently. He was aged 21, 22, and 23 in those seasons. I suggest that tells you it's not his body that's fragile per se. Rather something has changed in his time with us. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Hopeful that one if both of James and King will be back next week. Dave, I wonder what he’s (NP) is going to do in midfield tomorrow following our discussion after last Sunday. Also, I worry that one possible solution this month is the return of an injury-prone 33 year old who I often forget is on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 minute ago, firstdivision said: Dave, I wonder what he’s (NP) is going to do in midfield tomorrow following our discussion after last Sunday. Also, I worry that one possible solution this month is the return of an injury-prone 33 year old who I often forget is on the field. If he persists with 352 I think it will be a case of Semenyo for Benarous, with Weimann going into midfield. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: Before he came to us he played a lot, and consistently. 3,000, 2,500, and then 3,000 minutes in the three prior seasons. Across 30+ apps each time. The max in the Championship is 90x46 = 4,140. So he managed somewhere between 60 and 75% of the minutes, consistently. He was aged 21, 22, and 23 in those seasons. I suggest that tells you it's not his body that's fragile per se. Rather something has changed in his time with us. Am I right in thinking that Williams came to us with an injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 ... and if this was Nathan Baker he’d be ignorantly slagged off relentlessly as being ‘always injured’ - I just think we should afford our best defender the same ‘slack’ as we give other players rather than get on his back all the time ... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, frenchred said: bloke is made of glass, let’s hope he’s not another who finally gets fit then does one. sell him as soon as he is fit Piss poor comment. And let's face it, you knew that too, but you still posted it. Finally gets fit and then does one. wtf? Edited December 3, 2021 by AppyDAZE 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 We seem to have plenty of midfield players. But our first choice picks are seldom fit. So we seem to be holding the midfield together with sellotape. Which then gives front line no supply and then does no defensive support to defense. So we all at sea from kick off each game. Other than when Williams is fit and can play and we look ok. I really think the rest of the season is not going to be a good watch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Am I right in thinking that Williams came to us with an injury? I believe his first injury was sustained in one of his early training sessions with us. His signing was announced on 20 August 2020. https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/welcome-williams-midfielder-arrives-in-bs3/ His next mention in OS news articles is from the Swindon pre-season report on August 29th when it said "City were unable to call on ... Joe Williams (thigh) and Liam Walsh...". He isn't mentioned in the news around the two other two pre-season games v Cheltenham (day after he signed, and Villa on the 26th August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Am I right in thinking that Williams came to us with an injury? Got injured on day one of training with us. Admitted that during the off-season he didn’t keep up his training due to the uncertainty at Wigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porto Red Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 2 hours ago, frenchred said: bloke is made of glass, let’s hope he’s not another who finally gets fit then does one. sell him as soon as he is fit Most self-contradictory post I've ever read 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 3 hours ago, petehinton said: “It’s about making sure he’s right” Which is why we keep rushing him back from injuries and expecting him to play 95 minutes three times a week, and put it down to ‘bad luck’ when he breaks down again ???? Apart from it is his other leg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 As already said he’s made of glass. The people relying on him being the messiah are deluded to be honest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Bloody hell bloke has cheese strings for hamstrings. However he is probably our best midfielder and that really isn’t saying much. We were also told by Pearson that Dave Rennie was our most important signing of the summer, we seem to have had again a number of injuries to key players. Let’s hope we have a few cards up our sleeves for the January window but feel it will be underwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 14 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Maybe I missed the thread, I searched and couldn’t find anything but I saw this yesterday They didn’t say which year though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 7 hours ago, Porto Red said: Most self-contradictory post I've ever read Also I love the idea that clubs are going to be queuing up to pay a fee for a player under contract with massive questions marks over his injury record. I can only assume @frenchredplans to transfer list him, click the “add a manager” button to take over some unsuspecting premier league club, blow the club’s entire £15 million transfer budget on Williams, loan a couple of players to us whilst he is at it and then click the “resign from club” button the second the deal is done. Unfortunately that tactic is way more effective on Football Manager than it is in real life… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 6 hours ago, bris red said: As already said he’s made of glass. The people relying on him being the messiah are deluded to be honest. Yep! Last year we were dreaming of a mythical midfield(Walsh/Williams) Same this year(James/Williams/Massengo) I guess we will still be dreaming next year in Division 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 He’s almost up with Baker for being injured, bad luck for the pair of them . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 3 hours ago, MC RISK77 said: We were also told by Pearson that Dave Rennie was our most important signing of the summer, we seem to have had again a number of injuries to key players. Considering we have now changed the coaching set up and therefore you would assume what the players are doing in training and Rennie has a proven track record, so you have to say we are now either very unlucky or the problem is with certain players. Williams is a very good player, but can't now see him being more than a bit part player for us, even when he comes back psychologically will always be worried about the ham string going again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Just proves how poor a squad we have that we are so reliant on one player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Shown in his limited games this season that he’s a player we would love to have in the team but we must be approaching the point when we realise that relying on him to stay fit for a significant period is optimistic at best. Real shame but makes a lot of sense now to plan without him & if he does improve his availability record that is a bonus. Not sure I accept the comment above about expecting him to play “95 minutes 3 times a week” is accurate, so far this season the only occasion when he has managed to feature in 3 consecutive games he was a sub in the first (26 minutes), played 70 in the next & one of only two full games this season in the third. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 11 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ... and if this was Nathan Baker he’d be ignorantly slagged off relentlessly as being ‘always injured’ - I just think we should afford our best defender the same ‘slack’ as we give other players rather than get on his back all the time ... 1 hour ago, Slippin cider said: He’s almost up with Baker for being injured, bad luck for the pair of them . Always one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 A massive loss to us. We are twice the side when he is in, mainly because the defence actually gets some protection from on-running players, and our forwards and attacking midfielders get some service. As others have said, whether he is fit or not in January, we need to find a Williams-alike to step in if and when he gets injured again. Unfortunately, he's had so many lengthy injuries, his entire future in the game is uncertain. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 12 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: Piss poor comment. And let's face it, you knew that too, but you still posted it. Finally gets fit and then does one. wtf? Yeah cause us never happened to us before has it (Liam Walsh anyone) piss poor response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Big shame for Williams and us of course. I said last season I didn’t believe that Walsh and Williams were going to be the magic solution that some had hoped. Williams looks a very good footballer but it was clear that his injury was worse than publicised and was never going to be fully fit last season. He hasn’t really been fully fit since; fingers crossed for him that his career isn’t going to end up withering away due to injuries. He’s definitely someone I’d like to see a lot more of in a City shirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 4 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: Also I love the idea that clubs are going to be queuing up to pay a fee for a player under contract with massive questions marks over his injury record. I can only assume @frenchredplans to transfer list him, click the “add a manager” button to take over some unsuspecting premier league club, blow the club’s entire £15 million transfer budget on Williams, loan a couple of players to us whilst he is at it and then click the “resign from club” button the second the deal is done. Unfortunately that tactic is way more effective on Football Manager than it is in real life… Never played football manager in my life, preferred the real thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 33 minutes ago, frenchred said: Never played football manager in my life, preferred the real thing Who did you manage? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Very frustrating for Williams bet he’s pissed right off. We need to bring in cover for him once the window is open. Helping him back to full fitness next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Who did you manage? Played and managed at senior level from age 18, finished playing at 38, managed until mid 40,s You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 56 minutes ago, Bodiesaffer said: Very frustrating for Williams bet he’s pissed right off. We need to bring in cover for him once the window is open. Helping him back to full fitness next season. be nice if we could get him and another of the same playing in a match at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 16 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ... and if this was Nathan Baker he’d be ignorantly slagged off relentlessly as being ‘always injured’ - I just think we should afford our best defender the same ‘slack’ as we give other players rather than get on his back all the time ... 100% Williams injury record has been ******* shocking for us. Yet Baker gets slated, Williams gets a pass.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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