One Team Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 48 minutes ago, Sandhurst Red said: Not my style whatsoever to turn on one of our own, but so angry, I'm actually sat at the gate typing this. How does he get a place in our team, let alone starting XI. Absolutely bloody awful. Anyone else see differently?! Nope, he's nowhere near Championship standard. I can only assume he's in the team as he's better than others who are actually worse. And this for me is the main issue, our squad simply isn't good enough. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedo Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 He was utter **** today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 54 minutes ago, Sandhurst Red said: Not my style whatsoever to turn on one of our own, but so angry, I'm actually sat at the gate typing this. How does he get a place in our team, let alone starting XI. Absolutely bloody awful. Anyone else see differently?! Nope, you’re dead right — and I’ve been saying it for more than a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsaw Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 One of the worst games I have seen him have for us everything he did went wrong , went MIA for the 3rd goal, didn't seam to have his head in the game, I really hope he's not in the next starting 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Really disappointed to see Atkinson getting the chop before Vyner does. Am I missing something? We were defensively poor as a unit today but Atkinson is our best CB quite often imo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red84 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 On 06/12/2021 at 12:50, Riaz said: I love how fans make massive leaps. Player goes on a bad run of form and is low on confidence - all of a sudden they dont want to be here. Total nonsense. It's not just a bad run of form though. The lad has always struggled to make the grade at the level expected by the fans (top half championship). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Another lethargic performance from Vyner. There’s never any urgency from him to do anything, jogs about and dangles his foot into challenges. All 3 centre backs were poor today but Vyner just isn’t up to standard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Gives the ball away far too much. There was a moment in the first half where he was unchallenged and couldn't play a simple 10 yard pass with 3 options ahead of him. Instead he passed it to a Huddersfield player which sparked an immediate counter attack. Space behind him all game and doesn't seem to have the awareness, or physical attributes required to get himself out of trouble. If he wasn't an academy graduate, I don't think he would be getting a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, BCFCGav said: Really disappointed to see Atkinson getting the chop before Vyner does. Am I missing something? We were defensively poor as a unit today but Atkinson is our best CB quite often imo. Atkinson was labouring badly & as we were 3-1 down Pring was brought on for his pace. Both were equally poor today but the formation with Benarous & Scott as wing backs was a very gung ho one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Leave it out. He’s one of our own. Get behind the lads FFS. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Sandhurst Red said: Not my style whatsoever to turn on one of our own, but so angry, I'm actually sat at the gate typing this. How does he get a place in our team, let alone starting XI. Absolutely bloody awful. Anyone else see differently?! No, he’s not good enough . Never a championship player imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Vyner is not a bad player but he’s not up to championship standard. He’s always seems to have a mistake in him and has cost us goals. Don’t worry too much, he’ll be playing else where soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Whole defence was poor today. Errors in marking, passing-on and being left with nobody to mark. That applies to Kalas and Atkinson as well as Vyner today. The number of times it was 3 of them marking Ward, well, sort of marking Ward, and then Ward dropped deep and nobody went with him, rotating with O’Brien or Sinani who nobody then picks up as either moves between the lines. It really isn’t acceptable as this level. Chuckle Brothers defending - to me, to you. I don’t lay all the blame at Vyner’s door either!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Whole defence was poor today. Errors in marking, passing-on and being left with nobody to mark. That applies to Kalas and Atkinson as well as Vyner today. The number of times it was 3 of them marking Ward, well, sort of marking Ward, and then Ward dropped deep and nobody went with him, rotating with O’Brien or Sinani who nobody then picks up as either moves between the lines. It really isn’t acceptable as this level. Chuckle Brothers defending - to me, to you. I don’t lay all the blame at Vyner’s door either!!! I think we have to acknowledge that Vyner has made serious errors in 3 of the last 4 games now. He can't be trusted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 15 hours ago, mozo said: I think we have to acknowledge that Vyner has made serious errors in 3 of the last 4 games now. He can't be trusted. My point is why aren’t the other defenders getting stick yesterday? Kalas is ambling for their first two goals? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, Davefevs said: My point is why aren’t the other defenders getting stick yesterday? Kalas is ambling for their first two goals? Long term pattern of issues I assume. Kalas is consistently good but had a bad day, Vyner has been consistently bad with multiple issues per game over a long period. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I firmly believe a central defender will be high on Pearson’s list. I think Vyner’s repeated mistake and the comments on Atkinson, will mean they will try and do that business in January. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I wonder what specifically Pearson is not happy about with Atkinson. Not coming out to deal with the numbers in midfield? His poor distribution? Or maybe a bit of everything. Most likely not marking the wider forward whose come inside, so that Benarous can mark a midfielder or provide an extra body in midfield. With Kalas not marking, there is no need for Atkinson to not mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: My point is why aren’t the other defenders getting stick yesterday? Kalas is ambling for their first two goals? Fair point Dave. Collectively poor yesterday in all honesty Kalas & Atkinson certainly didn’t come out with any credit. Even in his better performances, Zak’s game is littered with mistakes which often result in the opposition having a chance from. I think he’s clearly low on confidence at the moment and I hope he can find some form but if he continues to make so many mistakes or poor decisions during games he won’t last long at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: My point is why aren’t the other defenders getting stick yesterday? Kalas is ambling for their first two goals? Personally thought that was one of Kalas’s worst performances in a city shirt. Should have been the spare but was caught ball watching and poorly positioned on multiple occasions. For £8m he should be more comfortable with the ball but doesn’t want it. Just had a mare which in fairness is very rare as mr dependable. Atkinson not at it at all & always seems knackered so not sure if he’s really over his Health problems. Vyner just seems so fragile as in something goes wrong and you see confidence ebb away. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: My point is why aren’t the other defenders getting stick yesterday? Kalas is ambling for their first two goals? If we're doing blame the last man, then Scott completely failed to stop Sinani getting his shot off for the second goal - despite being about 6 inches away from him. TBH Vyner always seems to have mistakes in him, and when you play in defence, those mistakes can be costly. I can also recall him putting in an inch-perfect 40-yard crossfield pass to Martin and making a couple of crucial blocks, so it isn't all bad stuff on ZV's report card. Ultimately, you want better options. Yesterday, I'm not sure we had them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Davefevs said: My point is why aren’t the other defenders getting stick yesterday? Kalas is ambling for their first two goals? Kalas was abysmal on two of the three goals yesterday, absolute pony and has been for weeks. He’s the new Teflon……. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Davefevs said: My point is why aren’t the other defenders getting stick yesterday? Kalas is ambling for their first two goals? Is Kalas good at tracking and marking (in open play) generally? I'm convinced he's not. Of course that supports your suggestion that Kalas deserves stick. He does. And Vyner really does. And Atkinson especially does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Let's not knock Zack. You watch the season highlights and 9 times out of 10 he will be our closest defender to the opposition goal scorer. Get him on the right side of that opposition goal scorer and we will have the makings of a cracking defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red84 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Mad Cyril said: Let's not knock Zack. You watch the season highlights and 9 times out of 10 he will be our closest defender to the opposition goal scorer. Get him on the right side of that opposition goal scorer and we will have the makings of a cracking defender. He might be the closest defender but watch how he continually backs off. Any decent defender that is scared of pace would be trying to get the opposition player onto their wrong foot. He's 24 now, since his full debut in 2016 he's had enough chances to change but he's always got a mistake in him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 08:36, CliftonCliff said: Thoughts? OK, my thoughts are that you are either (a) pissed, (b) on the wind up, (c) irredeemably stupid, (d) all of the above. Complete bollocks. One of the few that tries to pass the ball with pace into midfield or diagonal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Bottom line is. I don’t think any of our players are top half Championship quality. Vyner is a symptom and not a cause. I’ve read on here that people think we have very good players. but who are they? Because they don’t turn up on a Saturday at Ashton gate or a Tuesday in Sheffield. one game in ten to ‘put a shift in’ isn’t good enough. There’s no leadership on the pitch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 hours ago, red84 said: He might be the closest defender but watch how he continually backs off. Any decent defender that is scared of pace would be trying to get the opposition player onto their wrong foot. He's 24 now, since his full debut in 2016 he's had enough chances to change but he's always got a mistake in him. Exactly. I'd be interested to see if there are metrics out there to measure mistakes resulting in goals conceded, because I suspect Vyner would be right up there. Sure, he wasn't alone in a woeful defensive display on Saturday. But, as you say, he's had more than enough chances now and never seems to learn from his mistakes. For that reason, he won't ever have a future at this level or above. In many ways, he's not much different to Taylor Moore in that regard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollydog Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 hours ago, DaveInSA said: Bottom line is. I don’t think any of our players are top half Championship quality. Vyner is a symptom and not a cause. I’ve read on here that people think we have very good players. but who are they? Because they don’t turn up on a Saturday at Ashton gate or a Tuesday in Sheffield. one game in ten to ‘put a shift in’ isn’t good enough. There’s no leadership on the pitch. Sadly very true. There’s lots of talk about inconsistency (either the team or individual) but actually inconsistency is just a symptom of not being good enough at the relevant level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 This may be a comment on what Nige thinks of our defending at the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 My problem with Towler is that in his spell at left back in the first team was that I did not see him play a forward pass. It was all shape up to play down the line or look for a central pass through the thirds but he appeared to lack confidence to ensure an accurate outcome so came back on his inside to play a left footed pass either square or backwards. At the time this type of play was driving us all mad due to the lack of penetration and slowing down of progress upfield. He looks more like a central defender to me and surely must be behind Pring, O'Dowda and even daSilva who have far more experience and ability to play wing back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 We already have more experienced towelers. Kalas and Vyner, every time they go to take a long throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, redysteadygo said: My problem with Towler is that in his spell at left back in the first team was that I did not see him play a forward pass. It was all shape up to play down the line or look for a central pass through the thirds but he appeared to lack confidence to ensure an accurate outcome so came back on his inside to play a left footed pass either square or backwards. At the time this type of play was driving us all mad due to the lack of penetration and slowing down of progress upfield. He looks more like a central defender to me and surely must be behind Pring, O'Dowda and even daSilva who have far more experience and ability to play wing back. Pretty much a case of playing as safe as possible….which I don’t blame him having been thrown into first-team action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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