Davefevs Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Alex Scott!!! 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) Way he wears his socks?... Edited December 10, 2021 by archie andrews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Do you think he tends to go down a tad easy sometimes though? Often seems to be fishing for the foul. Not necessarily bad, and if it wins us a nice FK then all good, but he needs to be careful re getting a rep with refs for it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Do you think he tends to go down a tad easy sometimes though? Often seems to be fishing for the foul. Not necessarily bad, and if it wins us a nice FK then all good, but he needs to be careful re getting a rep with refs for it. Not for me . I would say he’s obviously not fully developed as a man physically. So IMO he is lightweight in that department. But also a very intelligent footballer for his age. One foul he didn’t get IMO was that penalty against Forest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 He has got a little bit of Grealish about him. And I mean that as a compliment! 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: One foul he didn’t get IMO was that penalty against Forest Yep, I was 15ft away from that in row 2 of the SS. Clear pen, bloke stepped right on his foot. It's more when he's in that 30 yard area and someone comes in behind him, I have thought he sometimes is just looking for a foul rather than a pass or shot, and that too many of his possessions end with him on the deck and play resetting. Could well be my eyes deceiving me, but Fevs' chart does show he's getting an awful lot of fouls, and many more than some far more dangerous players in the division are getting. Surely if defenders were fouling based on threat you'd see Brereton Diaz, Mitrovic, Gyokeres etc being brought down as often as Scott? 1 minute ago, steveybadger said: He has got a little bit of Grealish about him. And I mean that as a compliment! Yeh I can see this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I so hope this lad is with us when he is 21 but I just can't see it. Sheer class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I guessed right! He's a foul magnet. Someone help me find Massengo, got to be on there surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, steveybadger said: He has got a little bit of Grealish about him. And I mean that as a compliment! Bang on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 44 minutes ago, steveybadger said: He has got a little bit of Grealish about him. And I mean that as a compliment! Apparently Villa were interested and put a offer in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gazred said: I guessed right! He's a foul magnet. Someone help me find Massengo, got to be on there surely? According to this site https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/misc/Championship-Stats#all_stats_misc (note it isn't wyscout which is where the data used by the chart that @Davefevs has posted comes from) Scott has suffered 28 fouls on him, and HNM has 29. Scott has just 9.3 '90s' to his name, which is why when you adjust total fouls into fouls/90 he rates very highly, despite being only 32nd in the league for total fouls. 28/9.3 is 3.01, as the chart roughly agrees. HNM has 11.7 '90s'. HNM would therefore have 29/11.7 = 2.48 fouls/90, so he should be one of the dots near that line of the x-axis. Now they are all named (in fact everyone above about 1.6 fouls/90 is named), so presumably HNM must have too few dribbles/90 to register on the y-axis. Seems odd as he must have a few, and he has comfortably more than the 700 minutes that wyscout have used as a qualifier. Good spot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 How much do people reckon he is worth ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said: According to this site https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/misc/Championship-Stats#all_stats_misc (note it isn't wyscout which is where the data used by the chart that @Davefevs has posted comes from) Scott has suffered 28 fouls on him, and HNM has 29. Scott has just 9.3 '90s' to his name, which is why when you adjust total fouls into fouls/90 he rates very highly, despite being only 32nd in the league for total fouls. 28/9.3 is 3.01, as the chart roughly agrees. HNM has 11.7 '90s'. HNM would therefore have 29/11.7 = 2.48 fouls/90, so he should be one of the dots near that line of the x-axis. Now they are all named (in fact everyone above about 1.6 fouls/90 is named), so presumably HNM must have too few dribbles/90 to register on the y-axis. Seems odd as he must have a few, and he has comfortably more than the 700 minutes that wyscout have used as a qualifier. Good spot. Above and beyond reply, cheers. Massengo's ability to put himself between ball and man, then draw the foul/get fouled stands out so much i had to mention him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3City Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: How much do people reckon he is worth ? If Villa are sniffing multiply it by 10... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, BS3City said: If Villa are sniffing multiply it by 10... And then some 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: How much do people reckon he is worth ? If he left in the January window then something around £500,000 I'd guess. It's all potential right now, and whilst he's good, I don't think he's in that truly exceptional bracket that sees teenagers with fewer than 1,000 minutes of pro football go for millions. Happy to hear other offers though! Just now, Gazred said: Above and beyond reply, cheers. Massengo's ability to put himself between ball and man, then draw the foul/get fouled stands out so much i had to mention him. Would be interested to hear if @Davefevs can shed some light on his omission by wyscout. Presumably their data is different and rates his numbers so low that he is one of those unnamed blobs in the lower left of the graph. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Would be interested to hear if @Davefevs can shed some light on his omission by wyscout. Presumably their data is different and rates his numbers so low that he is one of those unnamed blobs in the lower left of the graph. Indeed. You'd struggle to belive he's not at least 1 dribble, 2 fouls per 90 and he's certainly got the mins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 That Dembele chap from the Posh is rather good he wont be there come Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: How much do people reckon he is worth ? Tie him into the longest contract we can. We do not want to sell him . Edited December 10, 2021 by Rocking Red Cyril No Jim's 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: Tie him into the longest contract we can. We do not want to sell him . Exactly, I know part of SL's dream is to sell for profit but this lad will I hope be part of our ticket up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: If he left in the January window then something around £500,000 I'd guess. It's all potential right now, and whilst he's good, I don't think he's in that truly exceptional bracket that sees teenagers with fewer than 1,000 minutes of pro football go for millions. Happy to hear other offers though! Would be interested to hear if @Davefevs can shed some light on his omission by wyscout. Presumably their data is different and rates his numbers so low that he is one of those unnamed blobs in the lower left of the graph. No chance of us selling him for £500,000 in January,he could have a season and a half of average performances and we would still get that and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 For his age he is special. If we genuinely want to improve and get to that next level then it will be with him, not without him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Swede said: For his age he is special. If we genuinely want to improve and get to that next level then it will be with him, not without him. Surely if SL really does want prem footy he has to be part of the future team plan . Therefore not for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 4 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: If he left in the January window then something around £500,000 I'd guess. It's all potential right now, and whilst he's good, I don't think he's in that truly exceptional bracket that sees teenagers with fewer than 1,000 minutes of pro football go for millions. Happy to hear other offers though! Would be interested to hear if @Davefevs can shed some light on his omission by wyscout. Presumably their data is different and rates his numbers so low that he is one of those unnamed blobs in the lower left of the graph. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Cheers. There you go @Gazred, wyscout have just been more selective than they care to admit when labelling their dots. Outrageous to omit HNM's name Edited December 11, 2021 by ExiledAjax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Scotts value is going up by the week. Few more stand out performances, i wouldnt be suprised to see a bid at the end of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colemanballs Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, JonDolman said: If in a year or two if Alex Scott is playing so well that top clubs bid huge amounts for him then we will sell. Same with Massengo or anyone else. It would be nice if those 'top clubs' were Liverpool, Man City or Chelsea rather than Bournemouth, Brighton or Burnley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Most hacked, you could read most dangerous. Hope he has another month like the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 7 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Cheers. There you go @Gazred, wyscout have just been more selective than they care to admit when labelling their dots. Outrageous to omit HNM's name Not Wyscout, but whatever software Luton_Analytics used to create the dashboard. You can overlap the labels in Tableau, but it looks a mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 16 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: How much do people reckon he is worth ? I was told by someone who works at the club that Villa offered in the region of £2 Million in the summer? If that’s true, then he’s obviously being watched by some big clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, swanker said: I was told by someone who works at the club that Villa offered in the region of £2 Million in the summer? If that’s true, then he’s obviously being watched by some big clubs. A player like Scott is a rare find - his potential is up to full international level. Whether he makes that depends on many things, but he's got the attributes at this stage and I've no doubt all but the elite PL teams will be keeping tabs on him. Villa are very cheeky (they're a very naughty boy), and we can't very well rebuild if we sell off the foundations. Edited December 11, 2021 by Sleepy1968 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of his pie crust Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 No one gets near Albert, after all these years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 17 hours ago, steveybadger said: He has got a little bit of Grealish about him. And I mean that as a compliment! I don't mind him having a bit of Grealish in him but as he develops I'd rather he had more Andres Iniesta in him, consistently the most hacked down player for years in La Liga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: I don't mind him having a bit of Grealish in him but as he develops I'd rather he had more Andres Iniesta in him, consistently the most hacked down player for years in La Liga. Who wouldn’t?!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colemanballs Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 8 hours ago, JonDolman said: Financially I don't think it necessarily would. Unless they bid crazy amounts that the mid table prem teams can't afford. If the biggest clubs were to bid the same amount as a mid table prem side and he went to one of those biggest clubs then we'd likely lose out on a future percentage of transfer profit. Financially, you are probably be right. I was thinking more in terms of self-esteem. It's kind of depressing (to me at least) that those three teams are considered to be 'top clubs' compared to us. And that's from someone whose second team, for bizarre familial and historical reasons, is Burnley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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