Hull City away match day thread

[bcfc01]

5 minutes ago, CiderJar said:

Matty James goal didn't make the highlights reel

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/12493091/hull-2-2-bristol-city

 

So thats the Hull highlights - where's ours ?

[East Yorkshire CideRed]

1 hour ago, sticks 1969 said:

How come you never went ? 

I play for a team on Saturdays. As I’m their only goalie, I couldn’t let them down.

[Garland-sweden]

Very late goal and one point. Nice for Semenyo to score, same for James. Two players that been away for a time. Think we are Gonna be a litlle better from now on. COYR!!!

[robin_unreliant]

Listening to Nige on RB he sounded as unimpressed as some posters on here. Saying he can't understand players turning down chances to shoot, especially in the first half. Certainly sounds in tune with a lot of comments from the fanbase. I still think he is the man to sort us out. 

[Atyeo's lift]

Seeing the Sky highlights you can see that Vynner was fouled with a shove in the back and can't be blamed 

[nick jones of hereford]

Great to see Semenyo score from open play. His two previous league  goals were from charging down the opponent’s keeper. Goals will boost his confidence and he will be a significant asset for us 

[MrBibs]

Went for a stroppy fast paced walk towards the end with us 2-1 down, keeping an eye on the score then giving up.

At 16.53 I get a text from my 18 y\o daughter who was up there saying “Fell down stairs limbs”

Thought it might be just a delayed message from the first equaliser, so was delighted when I checked the result. She gave me a quick call to say their fans were very loud when they scored “But we silenced them at the end Dad!” 

[The Swan and Cemetery]

26 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

Listening to Nige on RB he sounded as unimpressed as some posters on here. Saying he can't understand players turning down chances to shoot, especially in the first half. Certainly sounds in tune with a lot of comments from the fanbase. I still think he is the man to sort us out. 

His BCTV interview seemed to be 4 mins of still being stunned about Semenyo not putting his laces through it in the first half, without actually saying it. 

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Actually thought we played okay. Semenyo is going to be some player if he can stay fit.

I thought Tanner was impressive too when he came on. One of our more reliable players imo.

Funny game, periods where we controlled it, managed to play 5-6 passes to progress into their half.  Zak for all his criticism on here played a good few low passes into the front players because we had established territory.

One of the reasons I want to see Semenyo central (but allowed to drift) is because you can get him on the ball more.  If you stick him wide you cut down the opportunity to get him in the game.  Don’t get me wrong I don’t see him as that elusive 20-goal striker, but I honestly feel he’d get enough and he brings a randomness to our play (in a good way).

Tanner did fine today.  Think he needs to consider going on the outside at times, even knock it 20 yards and get after it.  Think opposition can force him back or inside too easily!

[DT The Optimist]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Funny game, periods where we controlled it, managed to play 5-6 passes to progress into their half.  Zak for all his criticism on here played a good few low passes into the front players because we had established territory.

One of the reasons I want to see Semenyo central (but allowed to drift) is because you can get him on the ball more.  If you stick him wide you cut down the opportunity to get him in the game.  Don’t get me wrong I don’t see him as that elusive 20-goal striker, but I honestly feel he’d get enough and he brings a randomness to our play (in a good way).

Not so sure on that point. I have banged on in the past that his rise to prominence was when on loan at Newport and he had all the pundits drooling when he played against Leicester and Boro.  In those games he would get the ball deep and wide, and have more time to get ‘motoring’. He was walking past defenders like they were statutes. I saw those games on the box and never really seen him reach those heights with us ‘yet’. When played further forward not enough time to get the ball, under control and get going. 
It made me smile mind when I was having this conversation with a guy at the Derby game, and he agreed with me but added the player he turned inside out was none other than Danny Simpson… have not checked but suspect true 

[winsaw]

A funny game today, never side where very good, but we did have more chances even if our strikers seamed to be doing all they could not to shoot, 

We where the better side in the second half and was a surprise when hull hit us with the quick break , but was good to see us keep fighting till the end this time, 

We where not great but we had very good team spirit today and keeped going till the end , there is definitely some belief in the side now 

[red panda]

Yay, our first away point in five games.  Does this mean we're going to go back to being useless at home again? 

Edited December 11, 2021 by red panda

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said:

Not so sure on that point. I have banged on in the past that his rise to prominence was when on loan at Newport and he had all the pundits drooling when he played against Leicester and Boro.  In those games he would get the ball deep and wide, and have more time to get ‘motoring’. He was walking past defenders like they were statutes.

yep, Newport played a 4231, Semenyo and Willmott either side of Amond (in the 3)…with Matt as the striker.  He looked good.

I saw those games on the box and never really seen him reach those heights with us ‘yet’. When played further forward not enough time to get the ball, under control and get going.

he has barely played as a striker here, very early games when he came back from loan, a few the next season and a couple in the cup with Martin early last season. The last time he started there before last week was Reading (a) with Diedhiou and as a pair they offered us bugger all.  But I see something in him centrally.

The beauty of opinions!

It made me smile mind when I was having this conversation with a guy at the Derby game, and he agreed with me but added the player he turned inside out was none other than Danny Simpson… have not checked but suspect true 

fact check: true

[Red_Alligator]

Players showing "Reluctant promise" - NP.

I liked that comment.

[redsince1994]

42 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Funny game, periods where we controlled it, managed to play 5-6 passes to progress into their half.  Zak for all his criticism on here played a good few low passes into the front players because we had established territory.

One of the reasons I want to see Semenyo central (but allowed to drift) is because you can get him on the ball more.  If you stick him wide you cut down the opportunity to get him in the game.  Don’t get me wrong I don’t see him as that elusive 20-goal striker, but I honestly feel he’d get enough and he brings a randomness to our play (in a good way).

Tanner did fine today.  Think he needs to consider going on the outside at times, even knock it 20 yards and get after it.  Think opposition can force him back or inside too easily!

Yep Semenyo would be a great second striker if only we had a lethal finisher.

The ball actually sticks to him when it gets played forward. Don't think he will ever have the composure to be 20 a season as you say, but we simply have more of the ball in the opposing half when he plays, which will lead to more goals total .

[RedM]

Hull won the first half, and we won the second. A draw a fair result.

That said, Hull will be gutted and us relieved. To come from behind twice and end with a point feels totally different from taking the lead twice doesn't it.

[Numero Uno]

Just now, RedM said:

Hull won the first half, and we won the second. A draw a fair result.

That said, Hull will be gutted and us relieved. To come from behind twice and end with a point feels totally different from taking the lead twice doesn't it.

You didn’t hear NP’s interview? No relief in his mind at all.

[winsaw]

1 minute ago, redsince1994 said:

Yep Semenyo would be a great second striker if only we had a lethal finisher.

The ball actually sticks to him when it gets played forward. Don't think he will ever have the composure to be 20 a season as you say, but we simply have more of the ball in the opposing half when he plays, which will lead to more goals total .

He just needs to take more shots, time and again he gets into good positions but never seams to think about hitting it at goal , it's like he's looking for the perfect finish instead of just hitting it hard and seeing what happens, get the feeling he makes it complex for himself when got time to think ,

[RedM]

1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

You didn’t hear NP’s interview? No relief in his mind at all.

No I've not heard it yet. Good, I'm glad he isn't happy as we got to produce better than that today. Not too many players came out with much credit from me

[Numero Uno]

Just now, winsaw said:

He just needs to take more shots, time and again he gets into good positions but never seams to think about hitting it at goal , it's like he's looking for the perfect finish instead of just hitting it hard and seeing what happens, get the feeling he makes it complex for himself when got time to think ,

You could understand the bench getting the hump when he didn’t shoot first half. Hit the ******* thing and if you miss or the keeper makes the save then so be it. That was what Pearson was on about when he was talking about failing by being positive.

[Numero Uno]

Just now, RedM said:

No I've not heard it yet. Good, I'm glad he isn't happy as we got to produce better than that today. Not too many players came out with much credit from me

Interesting listen tbh, wasn’t happy today. Think he saw it as two points totally wasted not dropped.

[redsince1994]

1 minute ago, winsaw said:

He just needs to take more shots, time and again he gets into good positions but never seams to think about hitting it at goal , it's like he's looking for the perfect finish instead of just hitting it hard and seeing what happens, get the feeling he makes it complex for himself when got time to think ,

Absolutely. That opportunity he had from Martin's layoff couldn't have been in a better position for him to hit into the bottom corner.

Even if his finishing doesn't improve, he will get plenty of chances due to his movement and some will end up going in!

[ExiledAjax]

I quite enjoyed the gane today. We were OK, competed well, and it's a nice change to score a late goal rather than concede up.

This result gives us a win, a loss and a draw from 3 games.

We had a win, a loss, and a draw from the 3 prior to that.

In fact take any block of 3 games this season and its a mix of results.

We've got 7 wins, 6 draws, 9 losses overall.

It's this kind of consistent inconsistency that will mean we land in that lower half of the table, but are never seriously threatened with the drop. We look unlikely to win, lose, or draw 6 on the bounce, and will have good, bad, and ugly performances throughout the season.

Keep going at 1.33 points per game and we'll be just fine.

[Davefevs]

15 minutes ago, winsaw said:

He just needs to take more shots, time and again he gets into good positions but never seams to think about hitting it at goal , it's like he's looking for the perfect finish instead of just hitting it hard and seeing what happens, get the feeling he makes it complex for himself when got time to think ,

In fairness, most City fans have been critical for him shooting TOO much previously, so whilst I get the criticism today for not pulling the trigger, it’s not something you label at him usually.

12 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

You could understand the bench getting the hump when he didn’t shoot first half. Hit the ******* thing and if you miss or the keeper makes the save then so be it. That was what Pearson was on about when he was talking about failing by being positive.

Yes.  Sat up lovely to striker it.

[Ska Junkie]

2 hours ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

His BCTV interview seemed to be 4 mins of still being stunned about Semenyo not putting his laces through it in the first half, without actually saying it. 

He's right n all, just smash it Antoine.

[Mr Popodopolous]

A point- would have taken that.

A little bit closer to the drop zone despite a successive home and away game unbeaten for the first time since September! Small steps. The next target has to be back to back wins...although we can't achieve that until Boxing Day at the earliest.

Great strike by James, great to see Semenyo on the scoresheet as well- hope Scott's injury isn't too severe.

[Sleepy1968]

5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

A point- would have taken that.

A little bit closer to the drop zone despite a successive home and away game unbeaten for the first time since September! Small steps. The next target has to be back to back wins...although we can't achieve that until Boxing Day at the earliest.

Great strike by James, great to see Semenyo on the scoresheet as well- hope Scott's injury isn't too severe.

The radio Bristol interviewer asked whether it was an impact injury. NP said it wasn't and he (Scott) was feeling it in both calves or some such. I was less informed than I'd be if the question hadn't been asked.

[Hxj]

Don't usually comment on these threads, but back from Hull and more importantly defrosted.

Compared with the capitulation at Coventry and the not turning up at Birmingham this was a much better performance.

It's completely obvious what Pearson's plan is, play with three centre-backs, one who seems to think he is a box to box midfielder (and usually gets away with it), one who has one hell of a pass in him, and the totally committed Kalas.

All the youngsters played well, and all will develop this season, hopefully not so much that they got bought though.

And then some absolute class from James, sent the few delirious, until the cold got into us again!

Would be interested if @Davefevshas some pretty plots and pictures for Atkinson?

 

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Hxj said:

Don't usually comment on these threads, but back from Hull and more importantly defrosted.

Compared with the capitulation at Coventry and the not turning up at Birmingham this was a much better performance.

It's completely obvious what Pearson's plan is, play with three centre-backs, one who seems to think he is a box to box midfielder (and usually gets away with it), one who has one hell of a pass in him, and the totally committed Kalas.

All the youngsters played well, and all will develop this season, hopefully not so much that they got bought though.

And then some absolute class from James, sent the few delirious, until the cold got into us again!

Would be interested if @Davefevshas some pretty plots and pictures for Atkinson?

 

Not until tomorrow when Wyscout does it’s overnight update.

[Hxj]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Not until tomorrow when Wyscout does it’s overnight update.

Early start for you tomorrow then! 

[The Constant Rabbit]

If I was Wells I wouldn't be looking at the lino in an offside position when James scores..........

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, The Constant Rabbit said:

If I was Wells I wouldn't be looking at the lino in an offside position when James scores..........

The Lino had done his research and knew that Wells rarely “interferes” with play…..

[YGBjammy]

Point away from home always a good result. I think Semenyo gives us an attacking impetus that we lacked before. He's not amazing, but he just injects energy going forward and gives us something different in the final third. Good stuff overall.

Edited December 11, 2021 by YGBjammy

[Major Isewater]

4 minutes ago, YGBjammy said:

Point away from home always a good result. I think Semenyo gives us an attacking impetus that we lacked before. He's not amazing, but he just injects energy going forward and gives us something different in the final third. Good stuff overall.

An old expression is that he keeps the defenders ‘ honest ‘ . 
They can’t switch off for a second when AS is in the team.

 

[cidered abroad]

1 hour ago, Sleepy1968 said:

The radio Bristol interviewer asked whether it was an impact injury. NP said it wasn't and he (Scott) was feeling it in both calves or some such. I was less informed than I'd be if the question hadn't been asked.

Sounds like teenage muscles not being up to coping with ninety minutes of Championship football every week.

He will overcome this problem sooner rather than later!

Edited December 11, 2021 by cidered abroad

[1960maaan]

1 hour ago, Hxj said:

Don't usually comment on these threads, but back from Hull and more importantly defrosted.

Compared with the capitulation at Coventry and the not turning up at Birmingham this was a much better performance.

It's completely obvious what Pearson's plan is, play with three centre-backs, one who seems to think he is a box to box midfielder (and usually gets away with it), one who has one hell of a pass in him, and the totally committed Kalas.

All the youngsters played well, and all will develop this season, hopefully not so much that they got bought though.

And then some absolute class from James, sent the few delirious, until the cold got into us again!

Would be interested if @Davefevshas some pretty plots and pictures for Atkinson?

 

As a taster until Dave does it properly, an early look thanks to who scored.com.

Touches by 2 of our CB's

and their heat maps .

Not just Wilder at Sheff U with overlapping CB's obviously.

As our midfield don't keep the ball too well, it is handy, when playing a team that presses, to have Cb's that can bring the ball out. I thought Vyner did it well at times, and Atkinson did ok even if he does look like he's lost when he reaches the edge of the box. 
 

[pillred]

4 hours ago, RedM said:

Hull won the first half, and we won the second. A draw a fair result.

That said, Hull will be gutted and us relieved. To come from behind twice and end with a point feels totally different from taking the lead twice doesn't it.

Same result different feeling, footballs a rollercoaster isn't it, but I'm glad I have bought a ticket, people that say they have no interest in it you have to feel sorry for them as they don't know what their missing.

[pillred]

2 hours ago, Hxj said:

Don't usually comment on these threads, but back from Hull and more importantly defrosted.

Compared with the capitulation at Coventry and the not turning up at Birmingham this was a much better performance.

It's completely obvious what Pearson's plan is, play with three centre-backs, one who seems to think he is a box to box midfielder (and usually gets away with it), one who has one hell of a pass in him, and the totally committed Kalas.

All the youngsters played well, and all will develop this season, hopefully not so much that they got bought though.

And then some absolute class from James, sent the few delirious, until the cold got into us again!

Would be interested if @Davefevshas some pretty plots and pictures for Atkinson?

 

Well done for going, felt like a win to me sat at home so for you well what can I say bet you danced a little jig, I would have done.

[Hxj]

7 minutes ago, pillred said:

Well done for going

Fortunately I live closer to Hull than Bristol  oh and for some strange reason I had a business meeting in Leeds on Friday 

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

As a taster

Thanks - appreciate he gets the proverbial nose bleed - but that is a pretty impressive heat map for Vyner and Atkinson - one day Atkinson will bring it forward 60 yards and smack it past the keeper!

[PHILINFRANCE]

7 hours ago, DT The Optimist said:

It made me smile mind when I was having this conversation with a guy at the Derby game, and he agreed with me but added the player he turned inside out was none other than Danny Simpson… have not checked but suspect true 

 

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

fact check: true 

 

Danny Simpson played for Derby?

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just in terms of CBs, carrying the ball is quite important in a back 3 but as I mentioned before, assist for Kalas.

Yes Vyner and Atkinson are clearly the carriers in that shape but said it before think Kalas can contribute in a technical sense too even if not expansively as such.

Dunno if SofaScore is accurate tbh but...

Kalas- Last 5 games

Quote

1. Hull away- 48/57 passes completed- I know a pass can be a few yards sideways, or backwards so the metric in itself is of limited use. However 1 Assist and 1 Key Pass is of use. 84% anyway.
2. Derby home- 19/24 passes completed. 79% anyway. 0 key passes or assists.
3. Sheffield United away. 17/27 passes completed. 63% anyway. 1 key pass.
4. Stoke home- 19/20 passes completed- 95%. 1 key pass.
5. Blackburn home- 24/36 passes completed- 67%. 1 key pass.

By no means am I saying he's an amazingly creative ball playing CB- but at the same time even if more conservatively he has the attributes to contribute a bit more in this regard if given license/the opportunity.

His passing accuracy FWIW exceeded ours in all 5 games.

Quote

1. Hull away- 84% to Kalas, 72% to us.
2. Derby home- 79% to Kalas, 65% to us.
3. Sheffield United away- 63% to Kalas, 61% to us.
4. Stoke home- 95% to Kalas, 64% to us.
5. Blackburn home- 67% to Kalas, 60% to us.

I say FWIW, it's of limited use to some extent but yeah given the opportunity he can contribute in aspects of this. He gets great credit for never say die, blocks etc...but he also has his uses with Interceptions and in some respects in possession.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous

[mozo]

13 hours ago, RedM said:

No I've not heard it yet. Good, I'm glad he isn't happy as we got to produce better than that today. Not too many players came out with much credit from me

I'm surprised you are so critical. I thought we were the better team for large periods. Not top level Championship by any stretch, but it was only in the final third that we looked a bit clueless and yet we still scored twice. We all see different things I guess. Plus I was watching on my phone with a bad connection!

13 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

I quite enjoyed the gane today. We were OK, competed well, and it's a nice change to score a late goal rather than concede up.

This result gives us a win, a loss and a draw from 3 games.

We had a win, a loss, and a draw from the 3 prior to that.

In fact take any block of 3 games this season and its a mix of results.

We've got 7 wins, 6 draws, 9 losses overall.

It's this kind of consistent inconsistency that will mean we land in that lower half of the table, but are never seriously threatened with the drop. We look unlikely to win, lose, or draw 6 on the bounce, and will have good, bad, and ugly performances throughout the season.

Keep going at 1.33 points per game and we'll be just fine.

The way we lose 6 on the bounce now is if we suffer an injury crisis, which wouldn't be wholly surprising!

[BS4 on Tour...]

18 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Some years ago, I saw a question in a children's quiz that asked something along the lines of:

The walrus has a diverse diet, and has even been known to eat seals.

However, they don't eat penguins.

Why not?

Because they can’t get the wrappers off ??

Edit: apologies - I see some others had already posted similar responses - old ones are the best though!

Edited December 12, 2021 by BS4 on Tour...

[BS4 on Tour...]

17 hours ago, Red7 said:

He must be doing it deliberately as revenge for people still spelling his name wrong after all these years

Yet the post from @Southport Red that you quoted with your reply above had ‘Weimann’ spelt perfectly correctly ...

[Southport Red]

18 hours ago, Red7 said:

He must be doing it deliberately as revenge for people still spelling his name wrong after all these years

Ummmmmm…

[BS4 on Tour...]

1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Yet the post from @Southport Red that you quoted with your reply above had ‘Weimann’ spelt perfectly correctly ...

Or did it?! I may have done you a disservice there @Red7 - apologies ... especially as I believe I am one of the biggest pedants on here regarding spelling etc - I am truly ashamed

Edited December 12, 2021 by BS4 on Tour...

[Southport Red]

55 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Or did it?! I may have done you a disservice there @Red7 - apologies ... especially as I believe I am one of the biggest pedants on here regarding spelling etc - I am truly ashamed

Me too, apologies to @Red7, was sure it was 'Wie' and it was my use of the double 'n' you thought was wrong.

Kind've made your point for you didn't I? 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Southport Red

[tin]

The way Matty James sorted his feet out so quickly and then kept his knee over his weaker foot for the equaliser was class. Great finish from a player we’ve really missed, IMO. 

[Red7]

3 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Or did it?! I may have done you a disservice there @Red7 - apologies ... especially as I believe I am one of the biggest pedants on here regarding spelling etc - I am truly ashamed

No worries. My post was meant to be light-hearted anyway

[BS4 on Tour...]

3 hours ago, Southport Red said:

Me too, apologies to @Red7, was sure it was 'Wie' and it was my use of the double 'n' you thought was wrong.

Kind've made your point for you didn't I? 

As we are all apologising - I apologise for dragging you into a relatively pointless post exchange